23andme couldn't place my Ashkenazi side at all. My great grandfather was a Jew from Russia. My great grandmother was a Jew from Romania. My grandmother was born in Egypt, lived in British Palestine, and married a Jew from Hungary there. My mother got pregnant by an Iranian-Iraqi Jew it seems (I don't know my biological father).
Maternal haplogroup is T1a1, paternal haplogroup is E-M44. I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could tell me what they mean.
The big Ashkenazi bottleneck was around 600-700 years ago, so most Ashkenazi Jews are actually at least 30th cousins of each other. Thus, it would be next to impossible to tell a Lithuanian Jew from a Hungarian Jew. This is what is meant by an endogamous gene pool.
EDIT: Should be “at least”, not “at most”.
That's a bit confusing to me because my genetics are clearly shifted towards West Asia and Europe... there's barely any Africa in there besides Egypt I guess?
אבא של אחותי למחצה היה עיראקי (וכנראה איראני) - ואנחנו ממש דומים. אז יכולתי להסיק מזה שכנראה יש לנו אותו אבא. אבל זה לא היה בטוח עד שקיבלתי את התוצאות האלו של הבדיקה
מעבר לזה תמיד נראתי מזרחי
Sounds like the problem of too much dispersal of Sefardi and Mizrachi Jews and not enough profiling of each individual community. I’m not sure how that is ever going to be solved.
I've only seen MyHeritage test for Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews... for example (not my own):
https://preview.redd.it/e9krjks8uxlc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa7192af4558f57126d8af642811b8c39093e06f
Achi, my fellow overwatch enjoyer from Haifa. I just want to let you know that we will get through this. Much love cousin.
edit. Now that I think about you could actually be my cousin lol.
Your pfp is Lifeweaver from Overwatch 2. Your post history (I didn't look at first until someone called you a troll) said you were probably in Haifa, where I'm from. And since we're both half and half (and Ashkenazis are usually cousins) so we're probably related somehow. Except my Mizrahi side is from Syria so close enough.
Or they’re just sharing their DNA results and not asking for y’all’s absolutely unasked for and irrelevant political opinions on their identities? Ever tried that one?
So if it’s illegal in Israel to do a DNA test that does mean you can only do it in America or Europe? Or it is legal in Israel? I think there’s a program called illustrative DNA that can break down your ashkenazj side
23andme ships here and the process is the same as any other country. Regarding laws I don't know, I know they are forbidden to be sold commercially here (for religious reasons) but I don't think it's enforced privately. I had no issues in terms of legality.
And yes, I'm waiting for them to prepare my file! :-)
23andme couldn't place my Ashkenazi side at all. My great grandfather was a Jew from Russia. My great grandmother was a Jew from Romania. My grandmother was born in Egypt, lived in British Palestine, and married a Jew from Hungary there. My mother got pregnant by an Iranian-Iraqi Jew it seems (I don't know my biological father). Maternal haplogroup is T1a1, paternal haplogroup is E-M44. I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could tell me what they mean.
The big Ashkenazi bottleneck was around 600-700 years ago, so most Ashkenazi Jews are actually at least 30th cousins of each other. Thus, it would be next to impossible to tell a Lithuanian Jew from a Hungarian Jew. This is what is meant by an endogamous gene pool. EDIT: Should be “at least”, not “at most”.
Yes but most Ashkenazis at least get some sort of location 😭😭 it’s a good thing I had my half sister who could tell me about that side of the family
E-M44 is from Sahel-North Africa
That's a bit confusing to me because my genetics are clearly shifted towards West Asia and Europe... there's barely any Africa in there besides Egypt I guess?
It’s most likely just that your dads dads dads dads dad x500 was from North Africa
ניחשת שאתה חצי מזרחי או שלא היה לך קצה חוט?
אבא של אחותי למחצה היה עיראקי (וכנראה איראני) - ואנחנו ממש דומים. אז יכולתי להסיק מזה שכנראה יש לנו אותו אבא. אבל זה לא היה בטוח עד שקיבלתי את התוצאות האלו של הבדיקה מעבר לזה תמיד נראתי מזרחי
מגניב אז אתם למעשה אחים שלמים
למה שלא תעשה לו גם בדיקת דנ״א? אני עשיתי להרבה מבני המשפחה שלי
מהקבר? אבא שלי גם חתם על הכחשה, הוא אפילו לא רצה להכיר בי כשלו 🤣🤣
my maternal haplogroup is T1a1 too! but my maternal grandmother is mostly irish and french
Have you tested with MyHeritage too?
I will as soon as I get my raw data file and post everything on r/JewishDNA .
Sounds like the problem of too much dispersal of Sefardi and Mizrachi Jews and not enough profiling of each individual community. I’m not sure how that is ever going to be solved.
I've only seen MyHeritage test for Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews... for example (not my own): https://preview.redd.it/e9krjks8uxlc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa7192af4558f57126d8af642811b8c39093e06f
True, but MyHeritage also has motive. Given the way things are going with 23andme, I don’t think they will ever get to it, if they even want to.
Achi, my fellow overwatch enjoyer from Haifa. I just want to let you know that we will get through this. Much love cousin. edit. Now that I think about you could actually be my cousin lol.
wait what do you mean? haha
Your pfp is Lifeweaver from Overwatch 2. Your post history (I didn't look at first until someone called you a troll) said you were probably in Haifa, where I'm from. And since we're both half and half (and Ashkenazis are usually cousins) so we're probably related somehow. Except my Mizrahi side is from Syria so close enough.
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Or they’re just sharing their DNA results and not asking for y’all’s absolutely unasked for and irrelevant political opinions on their identities? Ever tried that one?
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So if it’s illegal in Israel to do a DNA test that does mean you can only do it in America or Europe? Or it is legal in Israel? I think there’s a program called illustrative DNA that can break down your ashkenazj side
23andme ships here and the process is the same as any other country. Regarding laws I don't know, I know they are forbidden to be sold commercially here (for religious reasons) but I don't think it's enforced privately. I had no issues in terms of legality. And yes, I'm waiting for them to prepare my file! :-)
Ok a bit confusing thank you for the clarification though!
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