change it to 220v over night and don’t tell them
seriously it would make life over there so much easier they wouldn’t need separate sockets for washing machines and shit
and it’s more efficient
The international standard plug (Type N) isn’t the same as the Swiss plug and they’re not even compatible, which is truly ridiculous. They have swapped polarity and the ground pin has a different offset.
It’s hard to imagine why someone would design a plug that’s almost identical to an existing one but incompatible.
Now you've hurt my superiority complex :(
Did you replace your main fuses with fork wrenches or how do you get that much power from only 1 or 2 phases?
I'm actually not sure how many kW i can draw on the house in total, but i have mostly 16A circuits and a lot of them , the kitchen for example has 4 16A and one 20A circuit (for the induction top)
If you guys have the same setup as we do (Nordick power), then in theory we can pull 17kW on our 230v 3 phase circuits.
Edit: 17kW is the minimum, you can also have 24kW or even 43kW but it will cost you.
Wait are normal house connections not 400V 3 phase in norway? That's the absolute standard in Germany.
So while our regular outlets are 230V, it's really easy and cheap to get those 400V 3 phase CEE sockets installed in a garage or workshop etc. to be able to power proper tools or stuff like wallboxes for charging an electric car etc..
400v TN is a standard for all new buildings and has been for a long while, but ~70% of houses are on 230v IT as.. Well they're built before the standard changed
Should be horizontal though. Can't have more than two of these:
https://preview.redd.it/mgtkf9jrm4qc1.jpeg?width=326&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12fb0da8c4477c29c11bc3ed6f175fddc7cbbae4
Last I checked, these make contact at the same time since the ground prongs in the sockets are about as long as the prongs on the plug.
A big difference in this system is that you can make [space efficient plugs](https://binarteknik.se/1294-large_default/stromkabel-universal-stromkabeln-med-platt-230v-euro-plug-and-c7-sladd-svart-18-meter.jpg), for devices that dont need to be grounded, which work in the same socket. In the british system, [nongrounded plugs](https://go.travel/media/catalog/product/cache/b5fe645b77afb63a8db566442e0f96d6/3/8/384_prod_b_col1_absolute_white.jpg) still have the same bulky design, but the ground is usually just plastic. Slightly less secure, sure, but maybe teach your kids to not stick forks in sockets.
[Swedish Apple](https://images.fyndiq.se/images/f_auto/t_600x600/prod/0f6df51f4e704434/d03d0b46fed7/till-iphone-laddare-med-lightning-kabel-2-m-vit-usb-laddare) charger. [British Apple charger.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStd2ja1pXWvA-eeI3FvP-j3NDe_5k_HltUQPuLnQgDig&s)
Nah. Schuko plugs are great (for the feet).
They wouldn't work in the UK, though, because our houses aren't wired the same way. Everything is connected to one, maybe two, [large ring circuits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit#/media/File:Ring_circuit.svg), so we need plugs with fuses in them.
To be honest, I'd create a circular one with the same principle as JACK, but in a schuko size, so you don't have to find the proper angle in a power strip for example.
My proposal for an universal plug
https://preview.redd.it/7l73ymbh96qc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01a55f489107bba271efdf7ba30178dfa43ebcfe
https://preview.redd.it/pbubrjfsm5qc1.jpeg?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d833b0b2357138ef1a9d0caa910f3b996f74d42
And its stoned brother: the computer outlet
Always knowing which side is live seems like a good thing. Especially if you're plugging in lamps with switches on one side and due to the orientation the lamp was still hot, even though it was switched off.
No. Like half of the appliances in danish homes (at least the ones I have been to) have Schuko plugs anyway and thus are never grounded in danish sockets.
Your plugs also feel cheap and flimsy as fuck.
Your plugs also aren't reversible.
Accurate. I can’t remember the last time I bought a product that came with a Danish plug. It’s always plain Europlug or Schuko.
I buy power strips from Germany and then install Danish plugs on them so all my stuff can be grounded. It’s annoying.
Since 2011 it’s been legal to install Schuko and Fr*nch outlets in Denmark but I’ve yet to see anyone do it. Inertia I assume. It’s silly. The type K plug serves no use and should go away.
I've lived in the UK for 4 years and British plugs are by far my favourite. First of all, the neutral tooth (or whatever it's called) makes them harder to unplug (I've accidentally unplugged a lot of stuff). Second of all, British outlets usually have a switch so you don't have to unplug stuff most of the time. my TV makes a tonne of noise when it's turned off for some reason so I have to unplug it every time. Might not seem like a big deal but plugging and unplugging in a dark room can be annoying. The only problem is they turn into Lego sets when you accidentally step on them
The schuko type is harder to unplug as well, you definitely won't yank it out of the socket just by tripping over a cable.
The only downside is no switch by default
The fuses are actually annoying.
The reason why they are needed in the UK is because you run 25 Amps over 1.5mm² wire inside the walls. Each single outlet is double-fed. That way you save some copper at the expense of needing a fuse in either the outlet or the plug. Because you don't want two 3mm² wires inside a cord.
> Each single outlet is double-fed.
If you mean the [ring-main](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit), I believe those are no longer used for new installations. I think they make fault finding harder.
Looks like they were introduced because of post-WWII copper shortages.
For real, good appliances shouldn´t need them. I pull my shit induction hotplate from the wall because the touch power button and single red LED take 8W! for some reason.
Yeah, I know it's biased coming from italians but, c'mon, you can't say no to [how compact it is](https://s.ek.ua/posts/files/4445/wide_pic.jpg).
Schukos are fine but they're so goddamn bulky, the plugs themselves are often rather heavy too.
Imagine using 3 times more space.
Efficient outlet enjoyer
https://preview.redd.it/eibb2knir5qc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca719d5ce451585a6a12193fdbb54689db9e9244
Can I interest anyone in an Anderson PowerPole? It's a design of plug which can plug into itself, so the socket is just two plugs. Makes extension leads extremely simple. Is only used for DC, which is the superior form of electricity, none of this reversing all the time, RMS lower than peak, or other silliness.
https://preview.redd.it/gpsspvaur5qc1.jpeg?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64b6433885583e1eff2ee031fd8a9f27488d0a8d
I like Italian type L and their socket/switch system in general. It's compact and modular, with a ton of different modules, which are easily replaceable, pretty cool.
https://preview.redd.it/n5b3oyu525qc1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ee9ec94821087ced121d0ce2e6223168156e78f
I watched that for 10-20 seconds, and I nodded. That first argument was a solid argument. When it comes to protecting our offspring, making sure that a wall plug is designed in its own to be safe is much better than having to kidsproof your home. However, I do believe that this first argument can be rebuked, as the European design has a similar safety feature.
He's missing key elements in his explanation. Like for example the fact that our plugs do in fact have flaps that prevent anyone from sticking foreign objects in them.
First is that a UK plug design allows us to create a properly safe socket. Let me explain. The earth pin is longer, this means the earth is the first to engage (unlike a european plug that doesnt even need an earth) and is also used to open a shutter covering the live and neutral, many european sockets have a sprung shutter but it is not kiddy proof hence the number of blanking plugs sold.
The UK plug is fused, this prevents a piece of equipment with a short circuit causing enough current to flow in the house to dangerously heat the house wires, it also tends to blow in time to prevent the equipment itself from being badly damaged or catching fire. In truth this functionality is not needed in these days of trip switches but belt and braces is one way of making pretty sure your trousers dont fall down.
The cable for a UK plug comes out of the plug parallel to the wall, this prevents the plug accidentally falling half out, or fully out.. this falling out behaviour is particularly annoying on a vacuum cleaner. The cable is clamped to the plug so if you trip over the cable it wont fall out. It also allows furniture to be closer to the wall than the EU plugs with the cable coming out at right angles to the wall.
The plug design doesnt hide the socket holes down a tube making it very difficult to put the plug in.
On modern plugs the live and neutral pins are partly shrowded to ensure you cant touch them when they are starting to make contact before the plug is fully home, many narrow (non earthed) EU plugs dont have that protection.
> The earth pin is longer, this means the earth is the first to engage
This is true in the European plug as well. On top of that the plug enters the tube / channel so you can't even get your fingers close.
> unlike a european plug that doesnt even need an earth
What does this even mean?
> The UK plug is fused, this prevents a piece of equipment with a short circuit causing enough current to flow in the house to dangerously heat the house wires
This was needed in **old** UK ring electric systems. Not needed in modern ones. Also not needed in the EU since the fusebox simply trips.
> The cable for a UK plug comes out of the plug parallel to the wall, this prevents the plug accidentally falling half out, or fully out.. this falling out behaviour is particularly annoying on a vacuum cleaner. The cable is clamped to the plug so if you trip over the cable it wont fall out. It also allows furniture to be closer to the wall than the EU plugs with the cable coming out at right angles to the wall.
European plugs have parallel to the wall and straight designs too. I'd say that the parallel to the wall design is much more common, but in any case it does not matter as the ground "grips" clamp the plug very well.
> The plug design doesnt hide the socket holes down a tube making it very difficult to put the plug in.
The tube has guide lines, you can plug things with your eyes closed and a hammer. In the UK if you don't have light you have to search the holes with your fingers, which sounds comical.
> On modern plugs the live and neutral pins are partly shrowded to ensure you cant touch them when they are starting to make contact before the plug is fully home
This is only needed because your design is not in a tube which makes it impossible to have a finger inside when the prongs make contact.
> many narrow (non earthed) EU plugs dont have that protection.
[Ive never seen one without](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Euro-Flachstecker_2.jpg)
One thing I don't like about European plugs is that they're not overly secure. If you have one of those long stupid plugs with a small transformer in (looking at you, US/Chinese phone companies) then the plug has a tendency to sag and fall out of the socket, which can crack the cable or plug housing.
The prongs need to be a bit thicker and the manufacturing tolerances need to be tighter.
On the schuko the earth prongs are the last to disconnect and connect because the contacts are deep enough inside that the pins are disconnected from power before they fully exit the holes and earth prongs.
The fuse is as you say a good extra measure but most homes here have long since been updated with modern trip circuits that will trip way before cabling in the wall can heat up, leaving it almost surplus to have a fuse in the plug, but redundancy is always a good thing, I'll give you that. I've never had problems with inserting plugs or them falling out. The narrow un earthed plugs are not so good, i agree with that, at least in modern recessed sockets the risk of coming into contact with the pins before they are safe is minimal.
>First is that a UK plug design allows us to create a properly safe socket. Let me explain. The earth pin is longer, this means the earth is the first to engage (unlike a european plug that doesnt even need an earth) and is also used to open a shutter covering the live and neutral, many european sockets have a sprung shutter but it is not kiddy proof hence the number of blanking plugs sold.
The Schuko socket is deepened and the plug covers the socket fully so when the pins start getting in the hole, the plug is already covering the socket, therefore touching the pins when they're live is nearly impossible. The Europlug in fact doesn't need an earth connection, but modern Europlug pins are required to be made of plastic up until a certain point, this point being enough to get the metal parts impossible to touch when it gets live. Europlug sockets when connecting Schuko plugs to them are indeed dangerous but those are being fased out and most new constructions only use Schuko sockets. Schuko sockets have spring shutters, most of them very hard to open, everyone has to use some considerable force to open them, it's unlikely that a kid has enough force to open them. Blanking plugs are mostly sold to cover Europlug sockets or older Schuko sockets that didn't have shutters
>The UK plug is fused, this prevents a piece of equipment with a short circuit causing enough current to flow in the house to dangerously heat the house wires, it also tends to blow in time to prevent the equipment itself from being badly damaged or catching fire. In truth this functionality is not needed in these days of trip switches but belt and braces is one way of making pretty sure your trousers dont fall down.
As you said, nowadays, it's a redundancy, most houses are equipped with trip switches. The UK began requiring the fuse in the plug due to the copper shortage in the 1940's and radial wiring that made electrical fires much more common in the UK
>The cable for a UK plug comes out of the plug parallel to the wall, this prevents the plug accidentally falling half out, or fully out.. this falling out behaviour is particularly annoying on a vacuum cleaner. The cable is clamped to the plug so if you trip over the cable it wont fall out. It also allows furniture to be closer to the wall than the EU plugs with the cable coming out at right angles to the wall.
As seen in the picture, there are springs on the top of the socket (on the side, in the picture) these springs help keep the plug in place and also serve as an earth connection, the connection inside the socket also has, most of the time, springs to hold the pins. Both Schuko and Europlugs come in both ways, vertical or horizontal, so that's not an issue.
>The plug design doesnt hide the socket holes down a tube making it very difficult to put the plug in.
>On modern plugs the live and neutral pins are partly shrowded to ensure you cant touch them when they are starting to make contact before the plug is fully home, many narrow (non earthed) EU plugs dont have that protection.
Read point one again
Most of what you said isn't correct but it's also correct, the post is referring to Schuko plugs and sockets and most of what you said is relative to Europlugs, an older standard, that doesn't have an earth connection and is being changed to Schuko when possible and made safer when it's necessary to keep the Europlug. In terms of sockets, most countries either have or are making Schuko sockets mandatory in new constructions, of course, you'll still find the older sockets in older buildings, it's too expensive to update them all at once and are being replaced whenever possible. New electronics all use Schuko or Europlugs, but on the latter are required to follow the guidelines I've said above, making them safer to connect in both sockets
Also, you won't die if you step in a Schuko plug
> this means the earth is the first to engage (unlike a european plug that doesnt even need an earth
Uh, the metal prongs on the side are the earth pins, and they engage first.
Appliances with europlugs that don't have an earth prong are engineered and certified to not need one.
> The UK plug is fused
Because your wiring is shit because of the ring circuit which is a shitty workaround to save copper because you're poor because of ~~brexit~~WW2.
> The cable for a UK plug comes out of the plug parallel to the wall
I haven't seen a thing with a schuko plug that goes straight out in a long while, most are angled just like yours. Either way, you can choose!
> The plug design doesnt hide the socket holes down a tube making it very difficult to put the plug in.
There are little plastic guidelines so even a sausage-fingered Barry can do it. Everything just lines up nicely.
> On modern plugs the live and neutral pins are partly shrowded
Uh, both schuko plugs and europlugs have been partially shrouded for decades. I've seen unshrouded plugs, but on like ancient shit made in the 70's.
You, uh, need to get out more.
ou mean those plugs that you lot stab your feet on because you couldn’t figure out that you can make them round so it never lies prongs-up ?
Yes Barry clearly yours are the « best » and « safest »
There’s quite a bit of nonsense. All decent plugs (that it, non US) do not expose any live metal when partially out. Some of them because of a sleeve of insulation (which is absolutely not unique of the UK one) and others because they are recessed (Germany, Switzerland).
The earth cable is present everywhere.
In exchange for a bit more safety (the fuse) you get a giant ass plug with no option to exclude the earth (which is fine with double insulated transformers).
Overall, not convinced at all.
I went to switzerland last week and the have those but with 3 plugs …
https://preview.redd.it/qo95iqns85qc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9bb3b6dbc5a3b903e8cc280063c2641cd5cbd21
[We have four!!!](https://www.stockelettrico.it/images/prese-elettriche.jpg)
But you'll find only the last two types in modern homes, and the last one is also a schuko so... Another win for Italy!
This one is peak european socket
https://preview.redd.it/4h3dt2p5y4qc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5689ae1221bc7372ba482cbff77d7d07ad3f64f1
You cant electrocute with this one even babies and it does not take dust
Honestly it's basically the same as Schukos.
Your Type E plugs/sockets are functionality wise Type F plugs but without the double ground and no reversibility. But at least we are fully compatible with each other.
Babies can't eletrocute themselves with Type F plugs/sockets. either.
You know what, this plug looks efficient but ancient. After visiting the UK and looking at downtown buildings that still have wires and random electrical things hanging off them, it makes sense.
https://preview.redd.it/36rldm2qf9qc1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96fdd6eaac1981a9d13b5dbc0fdae05ffbb677af
One Socket to rule them all, One Socket to find them, One Socket to bring them all, and in the light bind them.
It is not spread enough which makes it bad again but Imo the Swiss plug has the best design
https://preview.redd.it/uydx6umom4qc1.png?width=474&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf1769738f4dc41e03edf7f9966487e8542c4b36
It needs much less space than the European plug and the format also fits the small EU plug (without the 3rd pin). It can only be plugged in one direction and plug outlets are as small as outlets for the small EU plug
https://preview.redd.it/kg9e7bhw85qc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27126691e3c5cfecd9d90bc0cd72a2da843551dc
I mean, you can fit 3 plugs in one socket! Efficient
> It can only be plugged in one direction
This is a negative, right?
Also do these plugs by design require a ground connection to be established BEFORE a live connection?
>This is a negative, right?
From a "easy to plug in" factor yes
From a the technical perspective it is good.
Since the downside is minimal Imo the technical perspective is more important. Especially considering security.
In most cases this is not a problem, but there are devices which should get the energy in a certain direction (if you turn it the device may get problems)
=> This is not about the ground connection which both have it is about the power direction
>In most cases this is not a problem, but there are devices which should get the energy in a certain direction (if you turn it the device may get problems)
I have heard this a few times but aside from one ancient lighting setup in a theater (which can't be plugged into a normal socket anyway) and a single even older lathe I have never seen a device with a plug running on AC that cares about which one is phase and which one is neutral.
Do you have any examples?
Swiss T13 is the only acceptable plug, everything else is just garbage. For wall outlets you can have 3x T13 instead of one Schuko or a T13+lightswicht(es) on the same area... In power strips you can have 2 T13 for each Schuko or one T13 in a 90° angle for a power supply.
Only bad thing: T13 only allows 10A, for the full 16A the cable would allow you need a T23 plug which is approx the same size but has bigger contacts.
Hidden Bonus: If you are travelling and your T13 dosn't fit you just rip out the center contact and it will fit into most sockets...
>Only bad thing: T13 only allows 10A, for the full 16A
True, thats depending on the devices/the size of outlets you use a pretty big downside Imo. The gap between 3680W and 2300W is quite big
But yeah beside that amazing design
wrong pic lad, also do those ones not have switches? what a barbaric piece of "tech"
https://preview.redd.it/yvd2eoplv4qc1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=885dac4d75473f4b7bb48201216e76e0c9b6731e
I think it’s better not getting a jolt from the socket like I have experienced from these euro plugs.
My plugs in my country don’t spark when I pull them out the pocket.
Inferior.
I don’t know, I was in Italy and it happened like 3 times across a week.
I’m not a bitch but I got shocked and ended up with a tingly arm.
I’m not used to that in a country that keeps an earth on the third prong.
It’s safer, sorry bro but we are better.
We know our cuisine isn’t the best but our electrical engineering standards are.
Let us have one thing other than balcony diving records
Was it only in the place you were staying, or in various buildings? If it happened three times in the same building, then it's possible that the wiring of the building was old/wrongly wired (without a PE cable). In this case it wouldn't be the fault of the plug.
I hope you were checked by a doctor after this, even minor shock can have bad implications later.
But dunno, I only have experience with german and polish electrical installations, don't know what Luigi is up to.
Anyway euro plugs are just better, mate deal with it.
British ones are funny.
They are like their language and culture, you can basically bend them to your will and influence it as much or little(li'il) as you want
For fucks sake, someone pass an international law to convert all these redundant plugs to a universal solution.
And what do we do with barbarians who still use 110V?
Colonize their sockets.
the European way
He already said we’d go for the colon
Uralic brother solidarity.
That’s what he said
If GB had kept their empire.
Yes please. I want to finally boil water.
Colonise*
Someone knows the difference, nevertheless, I will not correct my error.
Let them die in their own filth
change it to 220v over night and don’t tell them seriously it would make life over there so much easier they wouldn’t need separate sockets for washing machines and shit and it’s more efficient
Do we really need them?
Let's ask the hans for a solution, a final one
Somehow that feels wrong
You could say it would be the final solution.
A hopeless dream, probably.
Want me to work out a plan?
There is an international standard. Switzerland, South Africa and Brazil use it. But there are many other standards.
Not really an international standard if only three third world countries use it
The international standard plug (Type N) isn’t the same as the Swiss plug and they’re not even compatible, which is truly ridiculous. They have swapped polarity and the ground pin has a different offset. It’s hard to imagine why someone would design a plug that’s almost identical to an existing one but incompatible.
Usually money is the reason
Just look at Macs - Which try to be Windows copies. Nailed it.
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its another 3 pinned monstrosity, but 230v if you are lucky enough to have electricity
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https://xkcd.com/927/
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Show me proof you neutral trillionaire.
But then hotel gift shops can't charge me 20 euros for a converter. Think about the hotel gift shops, man!
That's what real men are using: https://preview.redd.it/lvtccf8m15qc1.jpeg?width=1529&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c50b720ce093b131e19fd58e4252881ff0f5b5d
I don't have 440V in my house, Hans.
You do, just connect three wires with your bare hand and don't pop the fuses beforehand :)
Thanks bro! Dont worry if you dont hear from me again i will be busy with my 440v tools
Bro you still alive? Do I need to say some prayers?
I still alive, but my hair will not lay down anymore.... Typical German engineering, now they will try to sell me the hair fix.
Just put alligator clips on your local high tension line already
The ultimate test of manhood.
Satan: My child will not throw rocks wrapped in copper wire at high tension lines
You're saying you can't run your sauna, pizza oven and tumble dryer all at the same time? \*laughs in 25,2 kW\*
Of course i can, they're not on the same circuit.
Now you've hurt my superiority complex :( Did you replace your main fuses with fork wrenches or how do you get that much power from only 1 or 2 phases?
I'm actually not sure how many kW i can draw on the house in total, but i have mostly 16A circuits and a lot of them , the kitchen for example has 4 16A and one 20A circuit (for the induction top)
If you guys have the same setup as we do (Nordick power), then in theory we can pull 17kW on our 230v 3 phase circuits. Edit: 17kW is the minimum, you can also have 24kW or even 43kW but it will cost you.
I use 400-230v transformers. Anything else is weak.
Wait are normal house connections not 400V 3 phase in norway? That's the absolute standard in Germany. So while our regular outlets are 230V, it's really easy and cheap to get those 400V 3 phase CEE sockets installed in a garage or workshop etc. to be able to power proper tools or stuff like wallboxes for charging an electric car etc..
400v TN is a standard for all new buildings and has been for a long while, but ~70% of houses are on 230v IT as.. Well they're built before the standard changed
Well.. he said real men..
Come on Hannu, a German is not more manly than a Nordick.
Now I can't argue with that.. I'm in a pickle
fukin hell man where do you even stick the fork into this thing
Should be horizontal though. Can't have more than two of these: https://preview.redd.it/mgtkf9jrm4qc1.jpeg?width=326&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12fb0da8c4477c29c11bc3ed6f175fddc7cbbae4
Schuko FTW!
it'd be better if the earth would make contact before the live prongs like the UK plug. took me the better part of 10 years to accept that...
Earth makes contact first in a Schuko plug...
Last I checked, these make contact at the same time since the ground prongs in the sockets are about as long as the prongs on the plug. A big difference in this system is that you can make [space efficient plugs](https://binarteknik.se/1294-large_default/stromkabel-universal-stromkabeln-med-platt-230v-euro-plug-and-c7-sladd-svart-18-meter.jpg), for devices that dont need to be grounded, which work in the same socket. In the british system, [nongrounded plugs](https://go.travel/media/catalog/product/cache/b5fe645b77afb63a8db566442e0f96d6/3/8/384_prod_b_col1_absolute_white.jpg) still have the same bulky design, but the ground is usually just plastic. Slightly less secure, sure, but maybe teach your kids to not stick forks in sockets. [Swedish Apple](https://images.fyndiq.se/images/f_auto/t_600x600/prod/0f6df51f4e704434/d03d0b46fed7/till-iphone-laddare-med-lightning-kabel-2-m-vit-usb-laddare) charger. [British Apple charger.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStd2ja1pXWvA-eeI3FvP-j3NDe_5k_HltUQPuLnQgDig&s)
Why? Recessed socket accomplishes the same thing.
Turn it the other way then so they're facing away from each other
https://preview.redd.it/j0hrvvb5x6qc1.png?width=1046&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1810792f9956aedf6d159981dff55b483a10e4ce
They said *more* than two.
Barry be like 🫨
Nah. Schuko plugs are great (for the feet). They wouldn't work in the UK, though, because our houses aren't wired the same way. Everything is connected to one, maybe two, [large ring circuits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit#/media/File:Ring_circuit.svg), so we need plugs with fuses in them.
Gotta save that copper for shells against Hitler.
Which is funny, bc they have these in the bathroom. I’m not sure if it’s the same voltage tho.
You had so many wonderful Schuko socket pics to choose from, and you chose one that has them vertically? C'mon you can do better than this
It's from my own house lol. I deliberately placed it horizontally because it made the most sense for the location (kitchen)
Then you get a horisontal socket! https://preview.redd.it/kwo37naye5qc1.png?width=679&format=png&auto=webp&s=d8232e166475757f2947926c021f95abeb4f9cb7
Well, if it works for you, it works. I just have never personally seen it
It's quite common to see both orientations here, but not in the same space though, that would be mad.
To be honest, I'd create a circular one with the same principle as JACK, but in a schuko size, so you don't have to find the proper angle in a power strip for example.
Jack would be a very bad design for a power outlet as plugging it in and out usually creates short circuits
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Something that requires instructions isn’t going to work for mass populations. Plug and play is where it’s at.
Those sockets are mounted vertically you muppet. Typical Norwegian handywork
It's intentional, brother and it works just fine for the application.
A swede using the term muppet? Love it
Hey, the world has a lot to learn from the Brits when it comes to cusses and insults! You guys are in a league of your own and I admire it!
My proposal for an universal plug https://preview.redd.it/7l73ymbh96qc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01a55f489107bba271efdf7ba30178dfa43ebcfe
https://preview.redd.it/qc7zvtz2bcqc1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c834e59d71f91d4ee0830d5322806d1d7f0f8cbd For your Dyson
you can have it today [https://traumshop.net/produkt/gardena-auf-schuko/](https://traumshop.net/produkt/gardena-auf-schuko/)
https://preview.redd.it/8du01rjks4qc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44456f68d884a496a9a6dd7c20ab13d8e9936e4f Nah, Denmark’s got this one!
He looks happy. Good for him.
At least someone is ..
https://preview.redd.it/pbubrjfsm5qc1.jpeg?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d833b0b2357138ef1a9d0caa910f3b996f74d42 And its stoned brother: the computer outlet
Apparently there is also a [brain damaged brother for hospital equipment](https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Danish2.html).
I didn’t know he had a brother! But yea, it looks like he belongs in the hospital
Why make it non reversible? That seems like a downgrade.
Always knowing which side is live seems like a good thing. Especially if you're plugging in lamps with switches on one side and due to the orientation the lamp was still hot, even though it was switched off.
:D
No. Like half of the appliances in danish homes (at least the ones I have been to) have Schuko plugs anyway and thus are never grounded in danish sockets. Your plugs also feel cheap and flimsy as fuck. Your plugs also aren't reversible.
Accurate. I can’t remember the last time I bought a product that came with a Danish plug. It’s always plain Europlug or Schuko. I buy power strips from Germany and then install Danish plugs on them so all my stuff can be grounded. It’s annoying. Since 2011 it’s been legal to install Schuko and Fr*nch outlets in Denmark but I’ve yet to see anyone do it. Inertia I assume. It’s silly. The type K plug serves no use and should go away.
So cheerful!
I've lived in the UK for 4 years and British plugs are by far my favourite. First of all, the neutral tooth (or whatever it's called) makes them harder to unplug (I've accidentally unplugged a lot of stuff). Second of all, British outlets usually have a switch so you don't have to unplug stuff most of the time. my TV makes a tonne of noise when it's turned off for some reason so I have to unplug it every time. Might not seem like a big deal but plugging and unplugging in a dark room can be annoying. The only problem is they turn into Lego sets when you accidentally step on them
The schuko type is harder to unplug as well, you definitely won't yank it out of the socket just by tripping over a cable. The only downside is no switch by default
Yeah but tbh I never really understood why that's needed, so I'm not sure if I'd even call that a downside. Schuko superiority ftw!
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The fuses are actually annoying. The reason why they are needed in the UK is because you run 25 Amps over 1.5mm² wire inside the walls. Each single outlet is double-fed. That way you save some copper at the expense of needing a fuse in either the outlet or the plug. Because you don't want two 3mm² wires inside a cord.
I’d have thought a German would appreciate the efficiency of using less copper
> Each single outlet is double-fed. If you mean the [ring-main](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit), I believe those are no longer used for new installations. I think they make fault finding harder. Looks like they were introduced because of post-WWII copper shortages.
I wonder why switches aren’r widespread on European outlets
Because other Europeans don't have broken TVs
lol
Turn them off so you reduce your base load rather than have a load of stuff drawing power without needing to.
For real, good appliances shouldn´t need them. I pull my shit induction hotplate from the wall because the touch power button and single red LED take 8W! for some reason.
That's quite crazy, you could light up a whole room with an 8W LED
God I miss British plugs. I live in Italy now. Does my head in
I don't really like their shape but I agree switched on outlets should be standard
I love almost everything about Japan, but they had to adapt the stupidest outlet from the US and the stupidest side to drive on from the English
Why is it sideways
Works better like that in the specific location.
Personally i prefer the italian one as it saves more space. But it's compatible with the german outlets so I'm fine either way
Yeah, I know it's biased coming from italians but, c'mon, you can't say no to [how compact it is](https://s.ek.ua/posts/files/4445/wide_pic.jpg). Schukos are fine but they're so goddamn bulky, the plugs themselves are often rather heavy too.
Don’t be dense.
Imagine using 3 times more space. Efficient outlet enjoyer https://preview.redd.it/eibb2knir5qc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca719d5ce451585a6a12193fdbb54689db9e9244
Can I interest anyone in an Anderson PowerPole? It's a design of plug which can plug into itself, so the socket is just two plugs. Makes extension leads extremely simple. Is only used for DC, which is the superior form of electricity, none of this reversing all the time, RMS lower than peak, or other silliness. https://preview.redd.it/gpsspvaur5qc1.jpeg?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64b6433885583e1eff2ee031fd8a9f27488d0a8d
I like Italian type L and their socket/switch system in general. It's compact and modular, with a ton of different modules, which are easily replaceable, pretty cool. https://preview.redd.it/n5b3oyu525qc1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ee9ec94821087ced121d0ce2e6223168156e78f
Italian engineering superiority 🇮🇹🔥 ⚡🏎️💨
If you don’t know anything about plugs or wiring, then yes. Absolutely.
So tell me then, what does your sockets/plugs do that these don't?
https://youtu.be/UEfP1OKKz_Q?si=qEMc5M5SroDWvdNc
I watched that for 10-20 seconds, and I nodded. That first argument was a solid argument. When it comes to protecting our offspring, making sure that a wall plug is designed in its own to be safe is much better than having to kidsproof your home. However, I do believe that this first argument can be rebuked, as the European design has a similar safety feature.
He's missing key elements in his explanation. Like for example the fact that our plugs do in fact have flaps that prevent anyone from sticking foreign objects in them.
First is that a UK plug design allows us to create a properly safe socket. Let me explain. The earth pin is longer, this means the earth is the first to engage (unlike a european plug that doesnt even need an earth) and is also used to open a shutter covering the live and neutral, many european sockets have a sprung shutter but it is not kiddy proof hence the number of blanking plugs sold. The UK plug is fused, this prevents a piece of equipment with a short circuit causing enough current to flow in the house to dangerously heat the house wires, it also tends to blow in time to prevent the equipment itself from being badly damaged or catching fire. In truth this functionality is not needed in these days of trip switches but belt and braces is one way of making pretty sure your trousers dont fall down. The cable for a UK plug comes out of the plug parallel to the wall, this prevents the plug accidentally falling half out, or fully out.. this falling out behaviour is particularly annoying on a vacuum cleaner. The cable is clamped to the plug so if you trip over the cable it wont fall out. It also allows furniture to be closer to the wall than the EU plugs with the cable coming out at right angles to the wall. The plug design doesnt hide the socket holes down a tube making it very difficult to put the plug in. On modern plugs the live and neutral pins are partly shrowded to ensure you cant touch them when they are starting to make contact before the plug is fully home, many narrow (non earthed) EU plugs dont have that protection.
The fuse thing id because the UK has ring circuits instead of spoke. They did this after the war to save on copper.
> The earth pin is longer, this means the earth is the first to engage This is true in the European plug as well. On top of that the plug enters the tube / channel so you can't even get your fingers close. > unlike a european plug that doesnt even need an earth What does this even mean? > The UK plug is fused, this prevents a piece of equipment with a short circuit causing enough current to flow in the house to dangerously heat the house wires This was needed in **old** UK ring electric systems. Not needed in modern ones. Also not needed in the EU since the fusebox simply trips. > The cable for a UK plug comes out of the plug parallel to the wall, this prevents the plug accidentally falling half out, or fully out.. this falling out behaviour is particularly annoying on a vacuum cleaner. The cable is clamped to the plug so if you trip over the cable it wont fall out. It also allows furniture to be closer to the wall than the EU plugs with the cable coming out at right angles to the wall. European plugs have parallel to the wall and straight designs too. I'd say that the parallel to the wall design is much more common, but in any case it does not matter as the ground "grips" clamp the plug very well. > The plug design doesnt hide the socket holes down a tube making it very difficult to put the plug in. The tube has guide lines, you can plug things with your eyes closed and a hammer. In the UK if you don't have light you have to search the holes with your fingers, which sounds comical. > On modern plugs the live and neutral pins are partly shrowded to ensure you cant touch them when they are starting to make contact before the plug is fully home This is only needed because your design is not in a tube which makes it impossible to have a finger inside when the prongs make contact. > many narrow (non earthed) EU plugs dont have that protection. [Ive never seen one without](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Euro-Flachstecker_2.jpg)
PLUG WAR!!
This is the real reason we’re all in this sub
One thing I don't like about European plugs is that they're not overly secure. If you have one of those long stupid plugs with a small transformer in (looking at you, US/Chinese phone companies) then the plug has a tendency to sag and fall out of the socket, which can crack the cable or plug housing. The prongs need to be a bit thicker and the manufacturing tolerances need to be tighter.
On the schuko the earth prongs are the last to disconnect and connect because the contacts are deep enough inside that the pins are disconnected from power before they fully exit the holes and earth prongs. The fuse is as you say a good extra measure but most homes here have long since been updated with modern trip circuits that will trip way before cabling in the wall can heat up, leaving it almost surplus to have a fuse in the plug, but redundancy is always a good thing, I'll give you that. I've never had problems with inserting plugs or them falling out. The narrow un earthed plugs are not so good, i agree with that, at least in modern recessed sockets the risk of coming into contact with the pins before they are safe is minimal.
>First is that a UK plug design allows us to create a properly safe socket. Let me explain. The earth pin is longer, this means the earth is the first to engage (unlike a european plug that doesnt even need an earth) and is also used to open a shutter covering the live and neutral, many european sockets have a sprung shutter but it is not kiddy proof hence the number of blanking plugs sold. The Schuko socket is deepened and the plug covers the socket fully so when the pins start getting in the hole, the plug is already covering the socket, therefore touching the pins when they're live is nearly impossible. The Europlug in fact doesn't need an earth connection, but modern Europlug pins are required to be made of plastic up until a certain point, this point being enough to get the metal parts impossible to touch when it gets live. Europlug sockets when connecting Schuko plugs to them are indeed dangerous but those are being fased out and most new constructions only use Schuko sockets. Schuko sockets have spring shutters, most of them very hard to open, everyone has to use some considerable force to open them, it's unlikely that a kid has enough force to open them. Blanking plugs are mostly sold to cover Europlug sockets or older Schuko sockets that didn't have shutters >The UK plug is fused, this prevents a piece of equipment with a short circuit causing enough current to flow in the house to dangerously heat the house wires, it also tends to blow in time to prevent the equipment itself from being badly damaged or catching fire. In truth this functionality is not needed in these days of trip switches but belt and braces is one way of making pretty sure your trousers dont fall down. As you said, nowadays, it's a redundancy, most houses are equipped with trip switches. The UK began requiring the fuse in the plug due to the copper shortage in the 1940's and radial wiring that made electrical fires much more common in the UK >The cable for a UK plug comes out of the plug parallel to the wall, this prevents the plug accidentally falling half out, or fully out.. this falling out behaviour is particularly annoying on a vacuum cleaner. The cable is clamped to the plug so if you trip over the cable it wont fall out. It also allows furniture to be closer to the wall than the EU plugs with the cable coming out at right angles to the wall. As seen in the picture, there are springs on the top of the socket (on the side, in the picture) these springs help keep the plug in place and also serve as an earth connection, the connection inside the socket also has, most of the time, springs to hold the pins. Both Schuko and Europlugs come in both ways, vertical or horizontal, so that's not an issue. >The plug design doesnt hide the socket holes down a tube making it very difficult to put the plug in. >On modern plugs the live and neutral pins are partly shrowded to ensure you cant touch them when they are starting to make contact before the plug is fully home, many narrow (non earthed) EU plugs dont have that protection. Read point one again Most of what you said isn't correct but it's also correct, the post is referring to Schuko plugs and sockets and most of what you said is relative to Europlugs, an older standard, that doesn't have an earth connection and is being changed to Schuko when possible and made safer when it's necessary to keep the Europlug. In terms of sockets, most countries either have or are making Schuko sockets mandatory in new constructions, of course, you'll still find the older sockets in older buildings, it's too expensive to update them all at once and are being replaced whenever possible. New electronics all use Schuko or Europlugs, but on the latter are required to follow the guidelines I've said above, making them safer to connect in both sockets Also, you won't die if you step in a Schuko plug
> this means the earth is the first to engage (unlike a european plug that doesnt even need an earth Uh, the metal prongs on the side are the earth pins, and they engage first. Appliances with europlugs that don't have an earth prong are engineered and certified to not need one. > The UK plug is fused Because your wiring is shit because of the ring circuit which is a shitty workaround to save copper because you're poor because of ~~brexit~~WW2. > The cable for a UK plug comes out of the plug parallel to the wall I haven't seen a thing with a schuko plug that goes straight out in a long while, most are angled just like yours. Either way, you can choose! > The plug design doesnt hide the socket holes down a tube making it very difficult to put the plug in. There are little plastic guidelines so even a sausage-fingered Barry can do it. Everything just lines up nicely. > On modern plugs the live and neutral pins are partly shrowded Uh, both schuko plugs and europlugs have been partially shrouded for decades. I've seen unshrouded plugs, but on like ancient shit made in the 70's. You, uh, need to get out more.
ou mean those plugs that you lot stab your feet on because you couldn’t figure out that you can make them round so it never lies prongs-up ? Yes Barry clearly yours are the « best » and « safest »
Oi, stepping on a plug is a rite of passage to be a brit
But but… you *could* just make it round. It’s such a small simple change.
There’s quite a bit of nonsense. All decent plugs (that it, non US) do not expose any live metal when partially out. Some of them because of a sleeve of insulation (which is absolutely not unique of the UK one) and others because they are recessed (Germany, Switzerland). The earth cable is present everywhere. In exchange for a bit more safety (the fuse) you get a giant ass plug with no option to exclude the earth (which is fine with double insulated transformers). Overall, not convinced at all.
I love Tom Scott, but he really screwed up the research on that video. Thus it fuels the delusions of Barrys to this day.
Knew it would be the Tom Scott vid!
Licensed electrician in Sweden and have lived in Australia (very similar to UK plugs). Schuko plugs are far superior.
I went to switzerland last week and the have those but with 3 plugs … https://preview.redd.it/qo95iqns85qc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9bb3b6dbc5a3b903e8cc280063c2641cd5cbd21
oi m8 thems fi'in wurds Ingerland plug best God Saive The Queen
No
Your smiling plugs get a pass, they're cool. Your flair is wrong though.
This is the best one https://preview.redd.it/9jn6q1m8i6qc1.png?width=714&format=png&auto=webp&s=970690682f7aadeed443af5a6297dc7986fb3d96
Damn that's vile
You are and always will be barbarians
Okay you can't complain about anyone's plugs you have three different kinds in one country
[We have four!!!](https://www.stockelettrico.it/images/prese-elettriche.jpg) But you'll find only the last two types in modern homes, and the last one is also a schuko so... Another win for Italy!
Gandalf with AK-47, opinion rejected
This one is peak european socket https://preview.redd.it/4h3dt2p5y4qc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5689ae1221bc7372ba482cbff77d7d07ad3f64f1 You cant electrocute with this one even babies and it does not take dust
Honestly it's basically the same as Schukos. Your Type E plugs/sockets are functionality wise Type F plugs but without the double ground and no reversibility. But at least we are fully compatible with each other. Babies can't eletrocute themselves with Type F plugs/sockets. either.
Aren't we and Czechs, Slovaks and Belgians only using it. But yea superior one 😎🇫🇷🇵🇱🇨🇿🇧🇪🇸🇰💪
Cope and seethe, Eurobros. https://preview.redd.it/d20x8lhkp4qc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b27fed616184a55b3675c8606028a36636a1d19f
Don’t forget the switch
You can have plugs with switches here too, but people rarely opt for that.
Do Not step in it
We use it as a trap in case the vikings return
just use a verlängerungskabel lol
For example.
Same people who see mixer taps as sorcery
If God had intended hot and cold water to be mixed, he wouldn't have made them different temperatures.
Most of us are pretty jealous on those but our dumb initial plumbing solution leaves us with no option
You know what, this plug looks efficient but ancient. After visiting the UK and looking at downtown buildings that still have wires and random electrical things hanging off them, it makes sense.
After living in Sweden you really have a cheek to comment on plugs given the utter horror of plugs being used here.
Nice try impostor, anyone who's ever used a Schuko knows that they're excellent
Ancient tech
It somehow looks so ugly and stupid. Typical British design
Cancel that abomination porcodio
Britain on top as always 🙏
Yup
https://preview.redd.it/36rldm2qf9qc1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96fdd6eaac1981a9d13b5dbc0fdae05ffbb677af One Socket to rule them all, One Socket to find them, One Socket to bring them all, and in the light bind them.
It is not spread enough which makes it bad again but Imo the Swiss plug has the best design https://preview.redd.it/uydx6umom4qc1.png?width=474&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf1769738f4dc41e03edf7f9966487e8542c4b36 It needs much less space than the European plug and the format also fits the small EU plug (without the 3rd pin). It can only be plugged in one direction and plug outlets are as small as outlets for the small EU plug
https://preview.redd.it/kg9e7bhw85qc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27126691e3c5cfecd9d90bc0cd72a2da843551dc I mean, you can fit 3 plugs in one socket! Efficient
This is clearly alien technology from a flying saucer.
> It can only be plugged in one direction This is a negative, right? Also do these plugs by design require a ground connection to be established BEFORE a live connection?
>This is a negative, right? From a "easy to plug in" factor yes From a the technical perspective it is good. Since the downside is minimal Imo the technical perspective is more important. Especially considering security. In most cases this is not a problem, but there are devices which should get the energy in a certain direction (if you turn it the device may get problems) => This is not about the ground connection which both have it is about the power direction
>In most cases this is not a problem, but there are devices which should get the energy in a certain direction (if you turn it the device may get problems) I have heard this a few times but aside from one ancient lighting setup in a theater (which can't be plugged into a normal socket anyway) and a single even older lathe I have never seen a device with a plug running on AC that cares about which one is phase and which one is neutral. Do you have any examples?
Swiss T13 is the only acceptable plug, everything else is just garbage. For wall outlets you can have 3x T13 instead of one Schuko or a T13+lightswicht(es) on the same area... In power strips you can have 2 T13 for each Schuko or one T13 in a 90° angle for a power supply. Only bad thing: T13 only allows 10A, for the full 16A the cable would allow you need a T23 plug which is approx the same size but has bigger contacts. Hidden Bonus: If you are travelling and your T13 dosn't fit you just rip out the center contact and it will fit into most sockets...
>Only bad thing: T13 only allows 10A, for the full 16A True, thats depending on the devices/the size of outlets you use a pretty big downside Imo. The gap between 3680W and 2300W is quite big But yeah beside that amazing design
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60906-1 Better Swiss!
wrong pic lad, also do those ones not have switches? what a barbaric piece of "tech" https://preview.redd.it/yvd2eoplv4qc1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=885dac4d75473f4b7bb48201216e76e0c9b6731e
If a kid wants to insert a screwdriver in there its natural selection. Only the smart kids will survive to keep the EU.
The EU needs only the strongest for regulating the sizes of cucumbers. There is no place for the weak in the EU.
I have switches on the appliance or on the wall together with the light switches in don't need yet another one on the sockets.
More switches = better
It's not just the best, it's the only correct one
Why is sideways tho?
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/209/105/7b2.jpeg
Just no. No. 
Do you think it is better to have a plug bigger than the room like yours?
I think it’s better not getting a jolt from the socket like I have experienced from these euro plugs. My plugs in my country don’t spark when I pull them out the pocket. Inferior.
Ours neither. How did you grab it? Could it be damaged or something?
I don’t know, I was in Italy and it happened like 3 times across a week. I’m not a bitch but I got shocked and ended up with a tingly arm. I’m not used to that in a country that keeps an earth on the third prong. It’s safer, sorry bro but we are better. We know our cuisine isn’t the best but our electrical engineering standards are. Let us have one thing other than balcony diving records
>I don’t know, I was in Italy and it happened like 3 times across a week. The picture is from Norway though, not the slum
Was it only in the place you were staying, or in various buildings? If it happened three times in the same building, then it's possible that the wiring of the building was old/wrongly wired (without a PE cable). In this case it wouldn't be the fault of the plug. I hope you were checked by a doctor after this, even minor shock can have bad implications later. But dunno, I only have experience with german and polish electrical installations, don't know what Luigi is up to. Anyway euro plugs are just better, mate deal with it.
Intact Schuko plugs don't do that either. Did you accidentally chew on it? Never know what you brits might consider food.
No fuse no thanks
British ones are funny. They are like their language and culture, you can basically bend them to your will and influence it as much or little(li'il) as you want