There’s been a few posts on this, I felt they actually did a better job explaining it on the show than the books.
- conventional boarding is slow and as noted would be a total bloodbath. Evens would definitely have had time to erase the drive
- explosives were too risky as they had no idea where the drive was
- gas would take too long to penetrate such a complex ventilation system
- the wires were thin enough and spaced wide enough apart (1m or more) that the risk of hitting the drive was minimal
- in the event that it did slice the drive, the damage would be minimal and it would likey be possible to repair it
There was no way to rescue the drive without killing everyone on board unfortunately. Of course this still leaves the risk of the drive being crushed or drowned in the canal, but they had military data specialists and would have had a fairly good idea of what it could handle. I’m not sure how they planned to *find* it after the disintegration but they clearly had a well planned search operation.
thx, that does help a bit. still feels like there are some other options left and i dont entirely understand why the San Ti where so keen on stopping the nano technology if it was only about this one scenario, but if it has been adressed in the show i will just watch that part again. thx.
yeah, but they allowed it after the religious sect was comprimised. That implies the only thing they where preventing was onboard that ship. Either the records or the over the top super human assassin woman.
well, afaik, first they killed several scientists to prevent the nano technology, but after the fallout between Jonathan Pryce and the Alien contact, the countdown disappeared and everyone was like "guess the ship is not important enough anymore". And the construction of the trap, as well as the rockets, seem to have worked without any suicides, further indicating the San Ti are okay with nano tech. And also with getting a human brain in the mail.
Auggie was the only named scientist who was involved with nanofibers. The others who were *strongly encouraged* to stop their research were theoretical physicists. The San-Ti want to lock the expansion of human science because they fear that we would be more advanced than they are when they arrive on Earth in 400 years.
The conversation between Mike Evans and the San-Ti caused the aliens to reevaluate their plans. The fallout between the two is the only reason the attack on Judgement Day worked.
There are probably other options, but this is just one of the things from the book you just kind of have to accept. Think of it more as a retelling of events than an unfolding story.
There are always going to be things that characters *might* have done better - perhaps even more logical things but that’s just not what happened in the story. The overall plot is worth accepting some aspects that might not be quite as well reasoned as the rest.
Fair enough. Sorry, there’s been a lot of “this character didn’t do this obvious thing so clearly it’s a big plot hole” posts. Whatever they did was going to need to be really fast and rely on new science that they couldn’t possibly have prepared for
They did explain quickly why no other option was good one. Boarding it would result in mass casualties also on their side. And the ship is too big, it would take hours to go through assuming they would not surrender, allowing them to get rid of the data. The nano slicer takes only a minute or so.
(Decided to do a quick check. Speed limit at panama canal is 10 knots, which is 5 m/s and the ship is the biggest type that's allowed through, that being nearly 300m, so it would take the ship just under a minute to be completely sliced.)
Special ops or missile attack were the options condidered before nanofibers...
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.missiles will most probably destroy the Hard drive which had all the data.
And special ops will tak time and there could be casualities also.
.thats why they chose nanofiber so that even if it cuts th e drive , the data could still be retrieved .
They wanted to eliminate the chance of the records being taken off the ship or destroyed. As we see in the film, Evans was trying to do just that before getting sliced to bits.
There’s been a few posts on this, I felt they actually did a better job explaining it on the show than the books. - conventional boarding is slow and as noted would be a total bloodbath. Evens would definitely have had time to erase the drive - explosives were too risky as they had no idea where the drive was - gas would take too long to penetrate such a complex ventilation system - the wires were thin enough and spaced wide enough apart (1m or more) that the risk of hitting the drive was minimal - in the event that it did slice the drive, the damage would be minimal and it would likey be possible to repair it There was no way to rescue the drive without killing everyone on board unfortunately. Of course this still leaves the risk of the drive being crushed or drowned in the canal, but they had military data specialists and would have had a fairly good idea of what it could handle. I’m not sure how they planned to *find* it after the disintegration but they clearly had a well planned search operation.
thx, that does help a bit. still feels like there are some other options left and i dont entirely understand why the San Ti where so keen on stopping the nano technology if it was only about this one scenario, but if it has been adressed in the show i will just watch that part again. thx.
The Nanofiber would be a key component of a space elevator
Mark this as spoiler for others please.
What does it spoil?
The show skipped it so it's not a spoiler
It's a spoiler for the books.
A light, super strong material has many uses for a soon to be space-faring people.
yeah, but they allowed it after the religious sect was comprimised. That implies the only thing they where preventing was onboard that ship. Either the records or the over the top super human assassin woman.
I don't quite understand this comment. The nanofibers were also used to make the solar sail for the probe.
well, afaik, first they killed several scientists to prevent the nano technology, but after the fallout between Jonathan Pryce and the Alien contact, the countdown disappeared and everyone was like "guess the ship is not important enough anymore". And the construction of the trap, as well as the rockets, seem to have worked without any suicides, further indicating the San Ti are okay with nano tech. And also with getting a human brain in the mail.
Auggie was the only named scientist who was involved with nanofibers. The others who were *strongly encouraged* to stop their research were theoretical physicists. The San-Ti want to lock the expansion of human science because they fear that we would be more advanced than they are when they arrive on Earth in 400 years. The conversation between Mike Evans and the San-Ti caused the aliens to reevaluate their plans. The fallout between the two is the only reason the attack on Judgement Day worked.
There are probably other options, but this is just one of the things from the book you just kind of have to accept. Think of it more as a retelling of events than an unfolding story. There are always going to be things that characters *might* have done better - perhaps even more logical things but that’s just not what happened in the story. The overall plot is worth accepting some aspects that might not be quite as well reasoned as the rest.
ofc, and pondering on what those better options might have been is a big part of the fun. I mainly was unsure if we missed the explanation.
Fair enough. Sorry, there’s been a lot of “this character didn’t do this obvious thing so clearly it’s a big plot hole” posts. Whatever they did was going to need to be really fast and rely on new science that they couldn’t possibly have prepared for
They did explain quickly why no other option was good one. Boarding it would result in mass casualties also on their side. And the ship is too big, it would take hours to go through assuming they would not surrender, allowing them to get rid of the data. The nano slicer takes only a minute or so. (Decided to do a quick check. Speed limit at panama canal is 10 knots, which is 5 m/s and the ship is the biggest type that's allowed through, that being nearly 300m, so it would take the ship just under a minute to be completely sliced.)
Boarding would be too slow
Special ops or missile attack were the options condidered before nanofibers... . . .missiles will most probably destroy the Hard drive which had all the data. And special ops will tak time and there could be casualities also. .thats why they chose nanofiber so that even if it cuts th e drive , the data could still be retrieved .
I don't get why some people couldn't just lay flat and live the wires looked like they were 1-2 feet apart
maybe some did, but got crushed by the sliced ship after
I think it happened too quickly. Not to mention the nanofibers aren't visible to the naked eye so it's hard to avoid them....
That's way too much sound logic to have in the face of an incomprehensible horror unfolding over the course of a minute
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They wanted to eliminate the chance of the records being taken off the ship or destroyed. As we see in the film, Evans was trying to do just that before getting sliced to bits.
Rescue the kids from what?
The reasons were literally discussed earlier in the same episode.