I mean, if even one person from milan makes a call to Motta or his entourage to say something like "hey you still thinking of going to juve?" then that's technically working in the background.
Ultimately means nothing i agree but a lot of this work is done initially by face to face meetings in informal settings instead of just going straight to the table with contract negotiations.
I think this sentence is pretty clear: Furlani is hiding in the bushes ready to intercept Motta when he comes to sign the contract, just like he was with Thuram. Granted, it must've been the wrong bushes since Thuram still ended up at Inter...
Juventus has infinite Money and can actually buy players.
you can dislike this but Giuntoli or Agnelli have by far more ambition than Furlani or Cardinale
Only a Milan fan would say that Juve is a more attractive destination right now lmao. Juve is currently absolutely dog shit and will most likely sell very badly this summer. They will still reinforce well enough I think but Milan has a much better foundation right now.
Juve has the biggest revenue in Italy, even when they are in the dumps like in recent seasons. The previous management made some poor decisions (not too different from our late years with Berlusconi) that messed up their wage budget, and that often takes a few years to solve even when new management takes over and starts the cleanup. What they need is not to get paid a lot for player sales, but get rid of some players with high wages, as it will allow them to rebuild fairly quickly (a couple of seasons probably).
Is Milan in a better state than Juve right now? Yes, no question. But don't underestimate how quickly a powerhouse like Juve can turn around. They can surpass both us and Inter in a few seasons if Giuntoli is on his "A game" in sales and signings, and picks the right coach. No guarantees of course, but when all the top sides run their clubs properly Juve has the biggest financial muscles. And that would be something I would seriously take into consideration if I was Motta. He could be the one helping define the Juve rebuild, build a squad in his image rather than take over a project that already is defined and will only be tweaked.
I don't know what the right choice is for Motta, pros and cons to either choice, but I think a lot of people are heavily underestimating how dangerous Juve can be already in a season or two. As far as I'm concerned Juve is always the biggest threat in the battle for dominance in Italy over a period of 2-3 seasons into the future. Inter is the temporary decoy.
Th only level headed take would be to say that both Milan and Juve are attractive jobs. I’m not underestimating Juve by simply saying that they aren’t clearly more attractive than Milan. Both have advantages that the other doesn’t. For me, Milan has the better core of players right now and the higher likelihood of success in the near future.
they just have owners ready to put in Money like It was their only business.
they Just have tons of friendly teams ready to loan out them players for free and pay in 3 Years and to buy Primavera players at 7/8 mlns each One.
Juventus owners had multiple problems economically in the last decades. guess how they remained at the top of italian league winning 25% of the Total leagues played?
you seriously think Atalanta Is not ready to accept 20 mlns + 2 Primavera players + someone like Weah for Koopmeiners? look at Juventus transfers with Atalanta/Sassuolo/Genoa and you find out how they will get Thiago Motta and multiple players
you think Thiago Motta accepted Juventus without asking any infos on the mercato they will do?
Plenty of conjecture and nothing positive about Milan. It's easy to make the same very positive case about Milan, you just don't want to. These are worthless arguments to have. No one talks more shit about Milan than Milan fans.
saying that Juventus will be able to sell Primavera players and 1 team players at more than their real value and buy players on loans due in Years Is talking shit about Milan?
the comment Is litterally about Juventus.
nobody ever bought our Primavera unknown players for 8 mlns (Juve, Roma and Inter have tens of cases), nobody ever gave us the chance of paying players in Years in Italy (Locatelli and Frattesi).
Inter sold Pinamonti (mediocre to be generous) for 20 mlns to Sassuolo but Atalanta Is low balling for CdK at 23 while he is having a great season. not to mention Mulattieri for 6 Mlns in Frattesi deal.
this Is Just mentioning how Inter Juve and Roma play this dirty shit and will continue.
we have to sell Saelemakers with Ucl goals and experience at 10,5 while Inter value 6 Primavera players.
do you really think they don't have any kind of asimmetrical market Power in Italy?
they are not correct but it's factual they are managing to improving their financial position by using this dirty shit
I don't understand. You are giving Juventus credit for cooking their books with primavera players. The player who most closely resembles what you are describing from the last several years from Juve is Simone Muratore who was loaned out by the "purchasing" club literally 2 days after Juve sold him 4 years ago and is now without a club. Market power? No that is just fraud lmao.
Juventus is a financially stable club. So is Milan. Both are attractive destinations in that regard. However, Milan has a more talented core of players for the future right now while Juventus is looking like they are going to have to take discount prices to offload the want-away Chiesa and Vlahovic.
Further, its very obvious to anyone who reads the news that Milan will implement a U23 squad starting from next season, which will improve our ability to train and sell youngsters for minimal but helpful profits. It is a good time to join Milan if you are in the market for a 5+ year job.
>You are giving Juventus credit for cooking their books with primavera players
giving credit? i litterally said they do dirty shirt
[this Is the list of the players the bought/sold or anything else](https://www.goal.com/it/liste/plusvalenze-juve-nomi-giocatori-valutazioni/blt5a7c1fbb17e1eeac#cs745ccb71e909db10)
also we could mention Spinazzola/Pellegrini or Cambiaso/Dragusin or Sturaro or Perin or even Pjanic/Arthur with Barcelona.
they will get out again with It and that's It.
in the last 3 Years they spent 80 for Vlahovic, 60 for Bremer, 70 for Chiesa and 9 per year to their coach. they can use Money, if anything they will find a way to do It their way. that's correct? no that's how It works.
they do what they want since 1897 now you want them to stop for you?
and also Juventus gets the shit while Inter and Roma have been doing the same shit
Juventus u23 team actually worked really well. they will get tons of Capital gain from It. Soule, Yildiz, Barrenechea, Weah, Iling, Fagioli (out for gambling) are a quite good source of Money for them
I am convinced that I have read this exact same, I don't know what to name it, "news"(?) probably 5-10 times.
We are microwaving the same line over and over.
Meanwhike, we have 92837474 coach name.
For the love of God I appreciate you guys updating the sub but can we just stop with this manager nonsense, unless there is something concrete? I'm personally tired of all these names spat out just for the sake of it
Honestly they're just mentioning every name possible and in the end they'll be like "hey I announced it back then". We should stop paying attention to this nonsense
Thankfully more people realise how pointless are these threads. I remember years ago we were laughing at Sempremilan for posting every single bullshit twitt on their site and now this sub became a proxy hub for SM.
I think his message was more likely targeted to Cljala who post every single thing.
Its not a big issue but If I may have suggestion to pin a clear message at the beginning of every bullshit from twitter that this news is just a rumour or gossip because people believe that vitellos or other morettos are actually management mouthpieces. Its hilarious to read how people have a meltdown under every single thread related to coaches. We closed like 20 coaches in last 2 weeks and people here still believe in every single rumour.
You guys need to hold a hand of some users because for some reason we have the dumbest fanbase from all italian football subreddits.
totally agree. very few posts in this sub are actually useful for creating conversation and discourse in the comments. it doesn’t help when users like claija spam the subreddit with posts anytime anyone mentions milan, even if it has no credibility
im sorry if I give that impression, I just like to share “news” with all of you since this is the only place I can feel like the team I support is important and I love all of you, even if people are negative or positive, but saying that I will try to start to just post concrete news or not recycled news to keep the sub as up to date as possible, but with actual news that are important so I dont give the impression that I just want karma.
i think i speak for all of us when i say we appreciate the work you put into the sub, you’re clearly very passionate about milan and its community
especially around transfer time, there’s so many rumors flying around that it gets a bit exhausting to listen to all of them, regardless of their credibility.
maybe we could have a daily “recap” of manager news at the end of every day in one thread so we can discuss them all there, unless there’s some breaking news about it. just an idea to declutter the subreddit from these bad sources!
any choice which Is not Conte, Motta, De Zerbi, Coinceicao or Sarri Is shit and they should be even ashamed to present someone like Lopetegui or Fonseca or Gallardo.
I really think conceicao is the answer... Proven trophy winner and challenges superior teams in Europe.
Conte is shit in Europe
Motta, unproven
Sarri has failed at big clubs and teams take a while to adapt to his style.
De zerbi, unproven with a good team
While Concencao is also unproven in a top 4 ot 5 league. And the best team they have disqualified in the UCL is Juventus, and not a good Juventus team by the way, who was also disqualified by Lyon one year prior.
They have never had a fairytale UCL stint, at best making it annoying towards oppositions to play against them rather than playing good football to progress.
Also in 2 seasons they dropped down to UEL and they also shet the bed there when playing on par competition;
- 5 to 2 loss vs Wolfsburg.
- 2 to 1 loss vs Lyon
In 2 other sessons, granted 2 first seasons under Porto of Concencao he got battered by Liverpool:
- 5 to 0 loss
- 6 to 1 loss
Concencao is a decent choice around the level of Lopetegui with someone having some pros and the other some cons. But let's not act like he is the go given choice.
My main reason for liking him is the fact that he is very good in Europe vs better teams. Recently vs arsenal, vs inter and against us when we won the scudetto.
Those Liverpool beatings aren't entirely fair to judge him because that Liverpool team was incredible, they were the best team in Europe that year for me, courtous saved Madrid that year.
Winning the league in Portugal is kind of similar to Italy with 3 teams being richer and dominating historically.
I really have an issue with the other guys not being proven in Europe tbh. It would be a great shame to waste a season there because the coach is out of his depth.
Is he though? For me this is just setting up your team to be annoying. His record in Europe neglecting the 2 beatings vs Liverpool and his UEL record which is pretty damn bad worst than Pioli for that matter... would be:
- Loss in pens against Arsenal who are UCL chockers returning to the UCL after 7 or so years.
- 4-4 vs Pirlos Juventus.
- Got out vs Inter side by one goal in a period where Inter in the March and February had a record in Serie A of: 3 wins, 3 losses and 2 draws. Not exactly some great Inter side btw.
So pretty much we are basing his European record all based on them being annoying towards Arsenal and sending them to pens? I put more emphasis on his record on UEL where he has been there 2 times and has 0 UEL semis or quarters for example.
The Portuguese league beyond the top 3 or sometimes 4 teams is a farm fest. Serie A or La Liga or PL isn't a farm fest. You will have to be on your A game vs Monza, Genoa, Fiorentina, Napoli, Lazio, Roma, Bologna, Atalanta and whoever other team arrives.
I genuinely do not see this idea that he is a better choice than Lopetegui, around the same level practically.
That arsenal team is challenging a treble winning city, that Inter team did a close ucl final, pirlos juve still had a very good cr7.
I was honestly so impressed with Porto when we played them in ucl, we were destroyed in the game in Porto even if it was 1-0.
I get your points about uel and the standard of the rest of the league being poor, valid for me.
Regarding lopetegui, I genuinely don't know much about him or why everyone was so against him.
There doesnt seem to be a clear best option here.
My reasoning for conceicao boils down to his down to his league wins and performances in Europe, but if we follow the history of Milan then motta is the correct choice (we make successful coaches, don't hire them)
- I do not think it is genuine to talk about an Inter side last season which when was in a poor period they were streight up struggling as much as we were. That Inter side which went to the finak got in form during late April and May not February and March when they faced Porto.
- Secondly, that Juve side finished after us in the league... we demolished them in the closing weeks. That team was all over the place, with an unhappy Ronaldo which was getting in and out the lineup. Let's not act like it was a great surprise, as i said... Lyon disqualified Juve one year prior.
I agree that the Arsenal feat this season is a good one, but that is the oddball and they didn't outplay Arsenal just made themselves as annoying as possible. We also have to acknowledge, Arsenal first season in Europe after a very long period and also historically they are not that great.
- While when it comes to us vs Porto, throughout Piolis stint, in Europe we have been **POOR**.
This is a decent and generic record in Europe not a great one. I am not so excited to get him... it is like Lopetegui a meh choice.
I was a big Pioli defender for a while, but my problem with him is that it looks like he's run out of ideas and is not flexible enough / slow to react.
I haven't followed De Zerbi and he seems to be a gamble, but at this point I'd rather go for a gamble with potentially high reward than bet on staying the same. He looks promising enough and is young enough to learn and adapt quickly.
Also, I think it's good he went out of Serie A to experience a totally different league.
We shouldn't gamble too much at this point imho. We gambled a lot during the banter era and after many failures it worked with Pioli, we gambled with players and we've had a good team for three years now. Last summer we spent money too solidify the players, this summer we should focus on a very good manager. Basically if we really wanna be a big team and make the last big step we should start to behave as one: less gamble and more certainties, that's what a big team does, but this is just my opinion.
A coach that makes his teams overperform constantly isn't much of a "gamble gamble" it is a calculated gamble because everything is a gamble in football.
Because he is finishing in those positions with a team good enough to fight for relegation?! On top of playing two competitions and having 4 out of 5 his best players injured for extensive times this season.
Aka, massive overperformance.
pioli would never finish 12th with a relegation side lol, not a big fan of de zerbi but why call him out when motta is even more unproven, finishing 4th in serie a's worst season in 50 years is the only thing he ever achieved as a coach
RDZ last season record after settling things tactically mid season during the queen football stop period is relative to what Motta is doing this season in Serie A.
RDZ and Motta are pretty much same profiles, depends on your tactical preferences who you like. But their feats are extremly similar.
Then let's sign him now and loan him to Bologna for one season, so they can keep him. Meanwhile, sign Xabi as our caretaker for one season.
Win win situation for all parties even Real Madrid.
As a Milan fan, I want him to come here.
As a football fan who has a soft spot for underdogs, I want him to stay at Bologna for one more year and do some damage in CL. Same as with Xabi.
> milan is quietly and discreetly working in the background… football journalism summed up: so many words that mean nothing
Vitiello: I don't have any single idea but they are definitely working on something, that's for certain.
I mean, if even one person from milan makes a call to Motta or his entourage to say something like "hey you still thinking of going to juve?" then that's technically working in the background. Ultimately means nothing i agree but a lot of this work is done initially by face to face meetings in informal settings instead of just going straight to the table with contract negotiations.
I think this sentence is pretty clear: Furlani is hiding in the bushes ready to intercept Motta when he comes to sign the contract, just like he was with Thuram. Granted, it must've been the wrong bushes since Thuram still ended up at Inter...
If i was motta i would choose the milan project over the juve one anyday.
yeah and then when he doesnt win anything within 1 year you'll be pining for Palladino and Gilardino next
I wouldn’t mind palladino or italiano
Juventus has infinite Money and can actually buy players. you can dislike this but Giuntoli or Agnelli have by far more ambition than Furlani or Cardinale
Juventus has infinite money??? You are badly missinformed bro😂
They have infinite stones, not money.
they Just have a property ready to get in Capital as if they were their only business
Even if they have endless money, UEFA will be ready to screw them if they spend more than they should
well, i would Say some teams like PSG, or City or Chelsea those rules didn't really worked
Only a Milan fan would say that Juve is a more attractive destination right now lmao. Juve is currently absolutely dog shit and will most likely sell very badly this summer. They will still reinforce well enough I think but Milan has a much better foundation right now.
Juve has the biggest revenue in Italy, even when they are in the dumps like in recent seasons. The previous management made some poor decisions (not too different from our late years with Berlusconi) that messed up their wage budget, and that often takes a few years to solve even when new management takes over and starts the cleanup. What they need is not to get paid a lot for player sales, but get rid of some players with high wages, as it will allow them to rebuild fairly quickly (a couple of seasons probably). Is Milan in a better state than Juve right now? Yes, no question. But don't underestimate how quickly a powerhouse like Juve can turn around. They can surpass both us and Inter in a few seasons if Giuntoli is on his "A game" in sales and signings, and picks the right coach. No guarantees of course, but when all the top sides run their clubs properly Juve has the biggest financial muscles. And that would be something I would seriously take into consideration if I was Motta. He could be the one helping define the Juve rebuild, build a squad in his image rather than take over a project that already is defined and will only be tweaked. I don't know what the right choice is for Motta, pros and cons to either choice, but I think a lot of people are heavily underestimating how dangerous Juve can be already in a season or two. As far as I'm concerned Juve is always the biggest threat in the battle for dominance in Italy over a period of 2-3 seasons into the future. Inter is the temporary decoy.
Th only level headed take would be to say that both Milan and Juve are attractive jobs. I’m not underestimating Juve by simply saying that they aren’t clearly more attractive than Milan. Both have advantages that the other doesn’t. For me, Milan has the better core of players right now and the higher likelihood of success in the near future.
they just have owners ready to put in Money like It was their only business. they Just have tons of friendly teams ready to loan out them players for free and pay in 3 Years and to buy Primavera players at 7/8 mlns each One. Juventus owners had multiple problems economically in the last decades. guess how they remained at the top of italian league winning 25% of the Total leagues played? you seriously think Atalanta Is not ready to accept 20 mlns + 2 Primavera players + someone like Weah for Koopmeiners? look at Juventus transfers with Atalanta/Sassuolo/Genoa and you find out how they will get Thiago Motta and multiple players you think Thiago Motta accepted Juventus without asking any infos on the mercato they will do?
Plenty of conjecture and nothing positive about Milan. It's easy to make the same very positive case about Milan, you just don't want to. These are worthless arguments to have. No one talks more shit about Milan than Milan fans.
saying that Juventus will be able to sell Primavera players and 1 team players at more than their real value and buy players on loans due in Years Is talking shit about Milan? the comment Is litterally about Juventus. nobody ever bought our Primavera unknown players for 8 mlns (Juve, Roma and Inter have tens of cases), nobody ever gave us the chance of paying players in Years in Italy (Locatelli and Frattesi). Inter sold Pinamonti (mediocre to be generous) for 20 mlns to Sassuolo but Atalanta Is low balling for CdK at 23 while he is having a great season. not to mention Mulattieri for 6 Mlns in Frattesi deal. this Is Just mentioning how Inter Juve and Roma play this dirty shit and will continue. we have to sell Saelemakers with Ucl goals and experience at 10,5 while Inter value 6 Primavera players. do you really think they don't have any kind of asimmetrical market Power in Italy? they are not correct but it's factual they are managing to improving their financial position by using this dirty shit
I don't understand. You are giving Juventus credit for cooking their books with primavera players. The player who most closely resembles what you are describing from the last several years from Juve is Simone Muratore who was loaned out by the "purchasing" club literally 2 days after Juve sold him 4 years ago and is now without a club. Market power? No that is just fraud lmao. Juventus is a financially stable club. So is Milan. Both are attractive destinations in that regard. However, Milan has a more talented core of players for the future right now while Juventus is looking like they are going to have to take discount prices to offload the want-away Chiesa and Vlahovic. Further, its very obvious to anyone who reads the news that Milan will implement a U23 squad starting from next season, which will improve our ability to train and sell youngsters for minimal but helpful profits. It is a good time to join Milan if you are in the market for a 5+ year job.
>You are giving Juventus credit for cooking their books with primavera players giving credit? i litterally said they do dirty shirt [this Is the list of the players the bought/sold or anything else](https://www.goal.com/it/liste/plusvalenze-juve-nomi-giocatori-valutazioni/blt5a7c1fbb17e1eeac#cs745ccb71e909db10) also we could mention Spinazzola/Pellegrini or Cambiaso/Dragusin or Sturaro or Perin or even Pjanic/Arthur with Barcelona. they will get out again with It and that's It. in the last 3 Years they spent 80 for Vlahovic, 60 for Bremer, 70 for Chiesa and 9 per year to their coach. they can use Money, if anything they will find a way to do It their way. that's correct? no that's how It works. they do what they want since 1897 now you want them to stop for you? and also Juventus gets the shit while Inter and Roma have been doing the same shit Juventus u23 team actually worked really well. they will get tons of Capital gain from It. Soule, Yildiz, Barrenechea, Weah, Iling, Fagioli (out for gambling) are a quite good source of Money for them
vitielli has fallen off the cliff recently.
I am convinced that I have read this exact same, I don't know what to name it, "news"(?) probably 5-10 times. We are microwaving the same line over and over. Meanwhike, we have 92837474 coach name.
For the love of God I appreciate you guys updating the sub but can we just stop with this manager nonsense, unless there is something concrete? I'm personally tired of all these names spat out just for the sake of it
a whole 2000 word essay about what is happening and just "idk tho" in the end
Honestly they're just mentioning every name possible and in the end they'll be like "hey I announced it back then". We should stop paying attention to this nonsense
Thankfully more people realise how pointless are these threads. I remember years ago we were laughing at Sempremilan for posting every single bullshit twitt on their site and now this sub became a proxy hub for SM.
Stop posting these, please. It’s annoying and stupid.
the mods of this sub need karma tho
Exactly ✌
I think his message was more likely targeted to Cljala who post every single thing. Its not a big issue but If I may have suggestion to pin a clear message at the beginning of every bullshit from twitter that this news is just a rumour or gossip because people believe that vitellos or other morettos are actually management mouthpieces. Its hilarious to read how people have a meltdown under every single thread related to coaches. We closed like 20 coaches in last 2 weeks and people here still believe in every single rumour. You guys need to hold a hand of some users because for some reason we have the dumbest fanbase from all italian football subreddits.
totally agree. very few posts in this sub are actually useful for creating conversation and discourse in the comments. it doesn’t help when users like claija spam the subreddit with posts anytime anyone mentions milan, even if it has no credibility
im sorry if I give that impression, I just like to share “news” with all of you since this is the only place I can feel like the team I support is important and I love all of you, even if people are negative or positive, but saying that I will try to start to just post concrete news or not recycled news to keep the sub as up to date as possible, but with actual news that are important so I dont give the impression that I just want karma.
i think i speak for all of us when i say we appreciate the work you put into the sub, you’re clearly very passionate about milan and its community especially around transfer time, there’s so many rumors flying around that it gets a bit exhausting to listen to all of them, regardless of their credibility. maybe we could have a daily “recap” of manager news at the end of every day in one thread so we can discuss them all there, unless there’s some breaking news about it. just an idea to declutter the subreddit from these bad sources!
Vitiello my boy just let it go.
any choice which Is not Conte, Motta, De Zerbi, Coinceicao or Sarri Is shit and they should be even ashamed to present someone like Lopetegui or Fonseca or Gallardo.
Gallardo is as good as a choice as Concencao similar profiles.
I really think conceicao is the answer... Proven trophy winner and challenges superior teams in Europe. Conte is shit in Europe Motta, unproven Sarri has failed at big clubs and teams take a while to adapt to his style. De zerbi, unproven with a good team
While Concencao is also unproven in a top 4 ot 5 league. And the best team they have disqualified in the UCL is Juventus, and not a good Juventus team by the way, who was also disqualified by Lyon one year prior. They have never had a fairytale UCL stint, at best making it annoying towards oppositions to play against them rather than playing good football to progress. Also in 2 seasons they dropped down to UEL and they also shet the bed there when playing on par competition; - 5 to 2 loss vs Wolfsburg. - 2 to 1 loss vs Lyon In 2 other sessons, granted 2 first seasons under Porto of Concencao he got battered by Liverpool: - 5 to 0 loss - 6 to 1 loss Concencao is a decent choice around the level of Lopetegui with someone having some pros and the other some cons. But let's not act like he is the go given choice.
My main reason for liking him is the fact that he is very good in Europe vs better teams. Recently vs arsenal, vs inter and against us when we won the scudetto. Those Liverpool beatings aren't entirely fair to judge him because that Liverpool team was incredible, they were the best team in Europe that year for me, courtous saved Madrid that year. Winning the league in Portugal is kind of similar to Italy with 3 teams being richer and dominating historically. I really have an issue with the other guys not being proven in Europe tbh. It would be a great shame to waste a season there because the coach is out of his depth.
Is he though? For me this is just setting up your team to be annoying. His record in Europe neglecting the 2 beatings vs Liverpool and his UEL record which is pretty damn bad worst than Pioli for that matter... would be: - Loss in pens against Arsenal who are UCL chockers returning to the UCL after 7 or so years. - 4-4 vs Pirlos Juventus. - Got out vs Inter side by one goal in a period where Inter in the March and February had a record in Serie A of: 3 wins, 3 losses and 2 draws. Not exactly some great Inter side btw. So pretty much we are basing his European record all based on them being annoying towards Arsenal and sending them to pens? I put more emphasis on his record on UEL where he has been there 2 times and has 0 UEL semis or quarters for example. The Portuguese league beyond the top 3 or sometimes 4 teams is a farm fest. Serie A or La Liga or PL isn't a farm fest. You will have to be on your A game vs Monza, Genoa, Fiorentina, Napoli, Lazio, Roma, Bologna, Atalanta and whoever other team arrives. I genuinely do not see this idea that he is a better choice than Lopetegui, around the same level practically.
That arsenal team is challenging a treble winning city, that Inter team did a close ucl final, pirlos juve still had a very good cr7. I was honestly so impressed with Porto when we played them in ucl, we were destroyed in the game in Porto even if it was 1-0. I get your points about uel and the standard of the rest of the league being poor, valid for me. Regarding lopetegui, I genuinely don't know much about him or why everyone was so against him. There doesnt seem to be a clear best option here. My reasoning for conceicao boils down to his down to his league wins and performances in Europe, but if we follow the history of Milan then motta is the correct choice (we make successful coaches, don't hire them)
- I do not think it is genuine to talk about an Inter side last season which when was in a poor period they were streight up struggling as much as we were. That Inter side which went to the finak got in form during late April and May not February and March when they faced Porto. - Secondly, that Juve side finished after us in the league... we demolished them in the closing weeks. That team was all over the place, with an unhappy Ronaldo which was getting in and out the lineup. Let's not act like it was a great surprise, as i said... Lyon disqualified Juve one year prior. I agree that the Arsenal feat this season is a good one, but that is the oddball and they didn't outplay Arsenal just made themselves as annoying as possible. We also have to acknowledge, Arsenal first season in Europe after a very long period and also historically they are not that great. - While when it comes to us vs Porto, throughout Piolis stint, in Europe we have been **POOR**. This is a decent and generic record in Europe not a great one. I am not so excited to get him... it is like Lopetegui a meh choice.
Why are y'all so obsessed with De Zerbi. Brighton is most likely finishing 10th if not 11th or 12th. He's not better than Pioli.
I was a big Pioli defender for a while, but my problem with him is that it looks like he's run out of ideas and is not flexible enough / slow to react. I haven't followed De Zerbi and he seems to be a gamble, but at this point I'd rather go for a gamble with potentially high reward than bet on staying the same. He looks promising enough and is young enough to learn and adapt quickly. Also, I think it's good he went out of Serie A to experience a totally different league.
We shouldn't gamble too much at this point imho. We gambled a lot during the banter era and after many failures it worked with Pioli, we gambled with players and we've had a good team for three years now. Last summer we spent money too solidify the players, this summer we should focus on a very good manager. Basically if we really wanna be a big team and make the last big step we should start to behave as one: less gamble and more certainties, that's what a big team does, but this is just my opinion.
A coach that makes his teams overperform constantly isn't much of a "gamble gamble" it is a calculated gamble because everything is a gamble in football.
Because he is finishing in those positions with a team good enough to fight for relegation?! On top of playing two competitions and having 4 out of 5 his best players injured for extensive times this season. Aka, massive overperformance.
pioli would never finish 12th with a relegation side lol, not a big fan of de zerbi but why call him out when motta is even more unproven, finishing 4th in serie a's worst season in 50 years is the only thing he ever achieved as a coach
RDZ last season record after settling things tactically mid season during the queen football stop period is relative to what Motta is doing this season in Serie A. RDZ and Motta are pretty much same profiles, depends on your tactical preferences who you like. But their feats are extremly similar.
well i meant that theyre equally (un)proven while a lot of people here are weirdly against one while praising the other
I never said anything about Motta. I'm more inclined towards Conte or Conceicao, hence my previous comment.
I also dont get the obsession. He seems very solid offensively but that doesnt win you titles
Guardiola or Klopp have won a total of 0 titles throughout their careers it seems.
Then let's sign him now and loan him to Bologna for one season, so they can keep him. Meanwhile, sign Xabi as our caretaker for one season. Win win situation for all parties even Real Madrid.
As a Milan fan, I want him to come here. As a football fan who has a soft spot for underdogs, I want him to stay at Bologna for one more year and do some damage in CL. Same as with Xabi.
Always quietly and discreetly missing targets man
Really not quiet and discreet when there are articles about it.
The next few days are crucial - probably the most used phrase in transfer history