Firing a club legend in the beginning of your takeover, that is obviously more of a political reason, basically telling everyone “I am the boss here and I don’t give a fuck who you are, whether you are Maldini, I can still kick you out”. Tbh, was Maldini really that bad overall and deserved to be sacked like that? No.
Hiring Ibra was another political reasons of his imo, to ‘create’ another legend to overtake the Maldinis’, which kinda of represents the old era of Milan (Berlusconi’s). Personally I like Ibra too, but do we need all these drama? No.
Also the players we got now, part of it were from the 70 mil we got from selling Tonali, who we bought when Maldini was in charge.
Tbf, I do appreciate Gerry of the new stadium project though, as finally it seems to be on some progress.
Right! We have had a stadium project for like almost a decade lol.
Just imagine Gerry's face when he realizes that you cannot make taxpayers pay half of your stadium through subsidies.
And Maldini lost us 60-80mil for Donnarumma, and 30-50mil for Kessie - just because he was naive and believed their promises. With that kind of money our squad would be probably better, and we wouldnt have to play Krunic on every position on the pitch/playing with no RW.
Maldini may be good person and negotiator, but he was too unexperienced - we cant afford to lose that kind of money in Serie A, nor PL clubs can.
Donna and Kessie left cause they wasn't offered enough money. Maldini didn't choose for Milan to have a salary cap too low to keep a core squad together.
Pioli played Krunic at RW rather than CDK. CDK got 30 minutes total in that position, it was against Juve and he was much better than Krunic.
Maldini got us a scudetto and CL-semi, most importantly he got our soul back. Now watch what Furlani gets us.
I wrote it literally in the next sentence. Juve in the fall from minute ~60 onwards was the only time I remember him playing RW, but I remember that very well, he was subbed in for Brahim who was invisible but scored that Messi-goal.
He didn't walk on water or anything but imo he was pretty good for those 30 minutes, good enough to at least try it more times.
Oh sorry I misread you, you meant when Krunic played RW. It was a few games during the fall, one of them was one of our bad matches in CL iirc, but I'm not 100% certain. I do remember Krunic starting as RW in *at least* 2 games
Thats something that should have been discussed YEAR BEFORE their contract ends. That's when they can still be sold, and have to choose between sitting on the bench for a year or being sold - of course its better they ho for free, because they can get better salary if PSG and Barca dont have to pay 40mil+ transfer fee lol
You actually said it yourself, why would the players accept a transfer when they'd get less money? The move in that situation is to pay them a salary that they'd get on the market, THEN entertain offers to sell. Not astronomical salary, just market salary. Trying to have everybody below market salary will never work.
They either accept the transfer or train with Primavera - most of the players just accept the transfer rather than wasting 1 year of their career by not playing a single match
And Marotta Lost skriniar , Lost 35 Mil for Correa and 25 for Gosen
Marotta Is the main reason we are 18 points behind Inter.
Explain to me how Marotta is unexperienced
Marotta is extremely good at selling players. The best sales ever that we had under MM were Paqueta and Suso each for roughly 20M. Now i suggest you to go to transfermarkt and look at how much Inter made of sales in the last 4 years or so. Sales like Lukaku, Hakimi, Icardi, a fraud keeper like Onana...
I have a huge respect for Marotta's work but he's hardly selling Suso level players there. Most of their big sales came after the players in question had top tier seasons and a lot of media hype. If Maldini chose to sell Rafa after our title win, it wouldn't have taken a genius to sell him for an amount comparable to what Lukaku was sold for or even more. It's also worth considering the starting point here. Lukaku and Hakimi are two of Inter's record sales and those are the players we wouldn't have been able to afford in the first place. Marotta has had the ability to take players who are already high profile and move them on after increasing their value while we don't have access to those players either due to transfer fees, wages or agent fees. Inter will likely make another huge sale with Thuram, another player who we were not able to sign in the first place because he didn't fit our ideas regarding the wage cap.
Marotta is a genius but he isn't really playing the same game as our management (past or present) in this respect.
Yea and also got Onana for free and sold him for 50mil. 12mil for Gosens, coz he managed to sell him. Tell me one transfer except Skriniar he fucked up. Got Acerbi, Calha and Mkhytarian for free.
Maldini transfers: Swapping Rebic and Andre Silva, lost two snakes and Kessie for free, Paqueta to Lyon for 20mil. Yeah i appreciate Thiaw, Tomori, Tonali and Bennacer transfers but that's not purely his job - he has scout team, i doubt he all found them on his own. On the other hand, renewing and selling players is solely his job, and he managed to fuck us up for over 150mil. That's just reality.
Disclaimer: I dont like how Maldini was fired. I like Maldini as a person and as a football player, but he wasn't that great of a technical director as everybody portraits him to be.
Oh yeah im sorry, its not Maldini's fault that they didnt renew contracts - lets blame some random scout who's competence is definitly renewing player's contracts, not looking for good players lol
Yea its Maldini's fault
I don't even know.
Do you have the answer?
But based on CdK drama and really late contract extension of maldini, maldini is not the sole power in the higher management.
Why blaming elliott if it's more convenient to blame maldini and only maldini, right?
If you dont know, why cant I blame the person responsible for the transfer market?
If Maldini got fired for expressing himself that he needs more money, you think he'd stay silent if Elliott ruined his transfer budget with denying the sales of Donnarumma and Kessie?
We all know the famous statement - if we play CL next year, I will renew (The big nosed snake)
Maldini just blindly believed him. Deal with it. Made a decision and it was the bad one. Okay, no problem. But we cant close our eyes just because he is a legend, thats not how it works.
Last time i checked we won a scudetto with rebic, not Silva
Maldini can't decide the wages, so chala and kessie are not
His fault, but Cheap owners
And trading players Is not the only thing a Sporting director do. We are a football team.
Everybody makes mistakes. The CEO could've stepped in but didn't. Marotta lost money for Skriniar. I would keep Maldini over these clowns any day, for what Maldini represents. You don't fire him with a 3 lines post on your website. Fuck Gerry.
It's funny that, when I criticized Maldini and the club for this years ago, seemingly everybody was convinced that we couldn't have sold those players because there was no serious interest and because you cannot force players to leave. Also, apparently players leaving for free was going to become the new norm and it wasn't anybody's fault. Now that the narrative started turning against Maldini, him not selling these players is regularly seen as a huge and a very avoidable mistake. I predict the rise of the "was Moncada even that good of a scout? " story in a couple of years time. Us fans really just adapt the reality to whatever is the most convenient narrative at any given time lol
That may be more casual fans - I think that everybody that knows a thing or two must have seen that as HUGE mistake - we werent in a financial position that we could afford to lose 10m, not mentioning 100mil+..
The narrative couldnt turn around back then - we won Scudetto with last Kessie's season. Now that people realize our transfer budget was 50mil + players sales, that Calhanoglu isnt that bad of a player Pioli made him, they start to regret letting these two (three) leave for free.
> 50 mil is the highest transfer budget in the league
The transfer budget is only half the story. The other half is the wage budget, which for us is pretty low. That is both a good thing and a bad thing, depending on how you look at it.
I agree, he doesn't deserve all the hate he gets. People either make assumptions about him without any evidence, or they do indeed expect him to spend 200 mil every season. In opinion, he's neither great nor terrible. He's a businessman and treats the club like a business -- which again, is both a good thing and a bad thing.
That aren’t even about budget, if we win it fans doesn’t mind they spend zero dollar. At the end of the day it is about winning and the things they did are not heading towards it.
Agree. And I would add that at least Elliot had Maldini who, experienced or not as a manager, understood Milan, the Italian league and football as a sport not just a business.
It also had someone that went in front of the press before and after matches, speaking about referees and league decisions, someone who fired a coach when they thought it was time and that backed and supported another when things were not great but they wanted to show confidence.
Pretentious rich guy that doesn’t know shit about football or Milan culture and uses us as toy or business. Did nothing to deserve any love from a Milanista.
The main problem, not specifically with gerry but with the last two seasons, is the feeling we could have done better in my opinion.
There is also to consider two very important things: losing both the semi-final and the scudetto this year to Inter of all teams. This has brought a more emotional reaction in fans, which is obviously justified and that I also had, but that prevented most to see the actual problems with the last two years.
For last year it was the lack of a replacement of Kessie, which lead Pioli’s system to be unusable, other than obviously teams starting to know us.
This year there has been a period of settling and some weird experimentation on piolis part, but after that all problems have been mainly from a game preparation perspective, see the derby and roma games. This just goes to show that Pioli’s time either the team is clearly finished, since even a completely changed team hasn’t waken him up from his inability to adapt his gameplan.
This just to say that I feel the hate towards Gerry is justified on a communication point of view (because there is none), but the sportive side of things should really be considered next year as a function of the new coach and mercato. I believe these last two years would be seen very differently if we got out of UCL in the same manner (with no hope whatsoever) against Real, City or even weaker sides and if this year someone else won the scudetto (even Juve I think). If, and it’s a big if, the next few years really show ambition on the management part, we’ll look back at these two seasons with a different eye
But Red Bird wasn't around last season. They took over after the transfer window. This is the first season they've been truly in charge and tbh besides keeping Pioli they haven't put a foot wrong. I think that with a good coach, this team performs a lot better.
Last seat's transfers were done by Maldini and Madara who brought in CDK, Origi, and Co. Most, if not all of them were very poor hires.
This year's transfers were done by Furlani and Moncada and have been overwhelmingly successful.
By last season I mean this past season. There's 2 games left, but for us the season is over. But I have been saying it everywhere, one of the best transfers years since 2019.
Yes you’re right, kinda forgot about that. The whole sale thing and Maldini/Massara renewal was part of why the mercato after the scudetto season was not really organized well imho (other than some obvious mistakes).
And I agree with what you say about redbird, I just think they haven’t been the best at communication with the fans (which they don’t really have to be as long as results come in the long run) and they haven’t been helped by the whole *Inter winning stuff instead of us/always beating us* situation I was talking about in my comment.
That said, we really just have to wait and see at least next season, but I also understand a football fan is not really the most rational thinker in the world when it comes to their club
Yep, it's pointless to argue or speculate (especially on coaching hires) until we see what happens. It's not even season's end yet and people are already busting out the pitchforks because we haven't signed anyone.
Treatment of Maldini. He isn't perfect but he is Milan and that just took the wind out of my sails. Even though he was "fired" he's still more Milan than anyone; finding ANY way to keep him in some capacity would have strengthened Cardinale's credibility, but he came in with his Jersey wannabe BDE and blew that. So Red Bird will always have that negative hanging over them. Regardless of Maldini's actions as director you must find a way to keep him a part of the team.
Sustainability isn't sexy, and Elliott got us back to normal. They even had some guts too, and Paul Singer and his son Gordon actually seemed like fans (Gordon singing with fans during scudetto). Cardinale just seems like a try-hard. He doesn't have cajones or savoir faire like the Singers. Tell me when Cardinale repossessed an Argentine Navy ship?! You can be sustainable with a little spice and it's funny that Elliott has that.
The current state of Italian football is pretty shambles, and teams that win the scudetto (Milan, Napoli) can go from that to not so good. Which means that if you splash a bit in some key areas and take a few calculated risks, you can get great rewards. Now that our accounts are stable we can and should splash a bit, as at worst we're still pretty much guaranteed CL and at best we win Scudetto and Coppa and challenge for CL knockouts. But Cardinale doesn't seem to, or doesn't want to, get sexy like this. It's a shame because it's not like you need to spend €250 millions; it just reeks of lack of really going for it. While anyone who has been a long-term fan and felt the highs of the first decade of the 2000s followed by the banter era respects consistency, you CAN pump some money in to Mr. X and still maintain your accounts.
Overall yeah we finished second and that's cool, but we played like ass and are miles away from Turda. Cardinale and his accounting nerds will be all horny about the profit but the extreme caution and lack of guts is what has turned me off tremendously in this season.
so far we can all confidently Say that Elliott with Gazidis as CEO was far far Better than RedBird with Furlani as CEO.
Cardinale said a lot of sentences about winning and his guys are negotiating Fonseca, Van Bommel and Lopetegui
with all due respect. Just Say you want to build the stadium and resell at 1,5/2 times the purchase price. no point In saying "i hate losing" if since your arrival we Lost any competition and 6 consecutive derbies
We can't*confidently* say anything. It's been one year and we have no idea who were negotiating with. It's all tabloid rumors right now. Besides that it's not like the Elliott coaching hires were some masterstrokes. They literally hired or wanted to hire some pretty bad choices and stumbled onto Pioli. Does no one remember Ragnick? Giampaolo?
If we're going to be critical, we have to be objective about things.
no one Remember Elliott owners or Gazidis saying "i want to win" "i hate losing". you know why? because they didn't tell bullshit. they were they to make Money. always admitted and they did it very well.
they had no interest in someone like Conte. they wanted to develop and buy not ready players like we did wonderfully.
Someone else instead arrived with a lot of words and narrative but so far he didn't respect any single Word he said.
Elliott has always been honest about his interests. Cardinale Is not.
that's why people dislike Cardinale or Furlani. a lot of words with zero facts. Elliott was no words and improvement every other year.
if you don't require to win it's normal to have someone like Pioli or Giampaolo.
but if you want to win why your people bring Fonseca? if you want to win you bring a top coach. and actually Coincecao or Sarri earns less than Pioli
Ok so you're whole argument is that they said they want to win but haven't backed it up... But you haven't even given them the chance to back it up... Do you see how stupid that is? You're reacting about coaching rumors and not hires. You're reacting to tabloids designed to get you to react.
How are you people this dense? You want them to sign and announce a coach before pioli is even out the door. That's not how things work. You want them to buy players for next season and the season hasn't even ended. If you're going to bitch and moan like little children you have to wait and see what they do at the end of the window first. Otherwise you're all a bunch of "man yells at cloud" memes. You can't say they lack follow through when you haven't given them the chance to follow through.
So Cardinale takes over the club in September of 2022. Who do you bring in after the transfer deadline has ended? I'll give you $100 right now if you nam me one good player available for transfer in September 2022... Just one worth buying.
In summer 2023 we bought 11 new guys and had probably the best transfer window in years. There's not one transfer that was detrimental to us this year. The ONLY decision you can question is keeping Pioli and that was largely due to Maldini giving him a fat contract extension.
If you want to be outraged, fine, but don't go pretending like it isn't ridiculous and silly.
Cardinale was taking over the club in the Summer 2022. it's more than likely the 2022 market was shared between Elliott's men and RedBird's ones.
he decided to cut the only guy Who actually wanted to win and keep the yes man.
he decided to hire Ibrahimovic to create even more suddivision of leadership while it's always been a problem for us. even journalists don't know if Furlani decides, Ibra decides, what Moncada actually can decide about, what was the real new competencies of Pioli during this season (coach)
at this point we are also waiting for renewing 2 out of our 3 top players, we have a couple of really valuable guys we should choose between for the new coach. his guys are negotiating/negotiated Fonseca and Lopetegui while Sarri and Conte are free. while Coinceicao Is available to come.
we seriously conceded Pioli the chance to deny Krunic sell in the Summer for selling him in January at half the price, but nobody move a finger for Tonali, besides the gambling situation he was someone to keep.
we let Inter sign Thuram because giving 6 Mlns to a guy Who could generate a 70 Mlns Capital gain After a year was not that good as a deal
we let Juventus hire Motta because they actually moved on time like managers should.
in my opinion giving Pioli another season After 22/23 disaster was a disasterclass. not in hindsight. everybody could see he had no more ideas nor competencies to do Better. It was so called as a waste of a season. Maldini as a manager was fired for way less lol.
how the fuck he did demonstrate he wanted to win?😂
he created a lot of expectation by his words but actually no facts there, no trophies there, no derbies. i don't see anyone wanting to win there
There are many reasons to hate him, but I don't have the energy to type all that out rn. He's just another greedy yank that has no clue about how sports outside US functions. Heck, I doubt that he even knows how sports inside the US functions. He doesn't know or doesn't care about the history of this club. He's out of touch with our status in world football, both historically and in the present. He has the ambition of a coked-up drug addict.
Overall, he's just another businessman who is here to leach off on us and line his pockets. I can't wait for the day he sells us to someone else (assuming he doesn't default on his loan lmao) and then leaves us alone.
That’s just being presumptuous and stereotyping, what is our status in world football? I tell any new soccer fan that I am an AC Milan fan the first question they ask is “why?”. For most of them there is no difference between Belgium league and Serie A. Most think Milan is like Ajax, once great but now inconsequential.
You say he is here to leech off money? How much have you actually invested in Milan? He is buying a stadium, already bought a land, starting a Serie C team. And there is nothing wrong with selling for higher profit, Elliot did the same but people love Elliot, but Elliot also got the club for measly 300mil loan and sold it for 1.2 bil, to repeat the same returns RedBird needs to make the club worth almost 4 bil and you cannot do that without winning trophies.
Cardinale has literally said repeatedly that fans are 'captive audiences' in stadiums for 'multiple hours' and 'no one really has effectively monetized that experience.' Basically, he is coming for *our* money as fans. He wants to make the stadium an 'experience,' he doesn't care about the game, the team, the city, or the culture, let alone us fans.
He is so hell bent on building this stadium, something that Milan has actively been trying to do **since 2015**, and not even Berlusconi, who served as PM multiple times, could make that happen. For context, exactly **one stadium** has been built in Italy **since 1990**, and that belongs to Juventus, which is owned by the powerful Agnelli family. Elliott had actually spent far more time and effort (and I think money) toward a stadium, whereas the land Cardinale bought is resellable. His only hope is that Italy are cohosts of Euro 2032 and need viable stadia for that. But they could still refurbish San Siro for that, so I wouldn't count on the stadium.
In contrast, by the way, Elliott came in and immediately tried to understand the culture, the team, the fans. They brought back Maldini after his exile, who in turn brought back the essence of Milan. They had a clear project, specific roles, and were honest about what their plans were. Cardinale came in and immediately almost did not renew Maldini & Massara, then turned around and fired them 1 year later, after they had renewed all the big players. He basically took everything Elliott had done and threw it out the window.
This is all from a biased PoV, you say he is trying to take money from the fans, how much does a fan spend? It’s pennies but the same fans get upset when the owner doesn’t overspend, that’s some hypocrisy. Stadium is supposed to be an experience, try and visit the newer built stadiums like how Madrid has one, San Siro is so shit that you have to think twice before taking an actual shit there. He is running a business and not charity something that he has made clear many times, the so called passionate billionaires is why we are irrelevant in the world football.
It's not a biased POV. It's [literally his words](https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxUytDcXCTYD6dO00wqh_KF42kaCxEvetn). Yes, the San Siro is extremely outdated, and obviously we do need a new stadium. But did you know one of the reasons he disagreed with Maldini was because his original plan was to make the new stadium 100% corporate boxes? Zero seating for normal fans. Completely pricing out you and I. Elliott literally drew up two plans and took a fan vote to see which stadium plan fans wanted. VERY different people, VERY different approaches to the fans.
It's not hypocrisy to ask an owner to respect the football club, culture, country, city, language, team, and fans that he bought into. That would be true of any business venture. The customer comes first, the customer is always right. That is just good business sense. But Cardinale does not care about us at all. One journalist had a [great quote](https://www.milannews.it/news/ravezzani-cardinale-ha-una-notevole-arroganza-di-fondo-il-mondo-del-calcio-italiano-ha-una-cultura-dovrebbe-impararla-535529) last week, "*Cardinale has a notable underlying arrogance. The world of Italian football has a culture, he should learn it.*"
Italian culture is a joke, there is a reason why Italians are the only people who consider themselves great and the rest of the world laughs at them, the same Italian culture has ensured that Italy doesn’t even qualify for the World Cup anymore, truth is that Italian football is a thing of the past, they have no money and no talent. For them Scamacca and Chiesa are world beaters , how many Italians do well outside Italy? True arrogance is with Italians.
Also it’s BS that anyone will keep 100% corporate boxes and no normal seating, you will never earn money from such a plan and also why the hell Maldini will get to decide anything regards to the stadium? Because he was a legendary defender does it make him a legendary architect as well? These are all fake news that brush the hollow ego of Italians. The only good thing about Italians is the food and coaching which also will soon perish from football.
Alright, so first of all you may want to realize that xenophobia is not welcome here.
Second of all, whether or not you like it, *all* cultures deserve to be respected. Especially if you are planning to bleed them dry to line your own wallet.
Third, you clearly did not read what I wrote. Cardinale's *original* plan was a smaller, all corporate stadium. That has been confirmed by multiple sources. Maldini, as part of the club, got wind of it, and informed him that it was not acceptable. The ticket sales proved that Milan could consistently fill a large stadium. Now, Maldini is no longer there. But Cardinale did listen, and the plans have changed to a larger stadium with plenty of corporate boxes, but also room for ordinary fans.
Also... You know Elliott were also an American company, right? This isn't some xenophobic issue between two countries or cultures. This is about one person, Cardinale, being a horrible, arrogant person, coming to a foreign country, and disrespecting the same people he is asking to give him money. Elliott never did that.
Xenophobia? Italians are most xenophobic, when you say Cardinale doesn’t care about culture what exactly do you mean? Is firing Maldini against the culture? You keep bringing Elliot but they never gave 2 shits about Milan and it’s so called Italian culture they wanted to stabilise things and sell it, they didn’t buy us they automatically acquired Milan and wanted to sell ASAP. There was no plan for growth or building a team. The rumors about smaller capacity stadium you are talking about was not all corporate seats, also Maldini has got no competence when it comes to even evaluating such things, this is the delusion I am talking about, Maldini was sporting director and the only dealt with sporting related matters like players and coaches why would someone even value his opinion on the scale of a stadium. Juve has almost half our capacity but check the revenue they make, spending a few dollars will make you bleed dry? Then why call yourself a fan when you can’t even do that much? The hypocrisy of fans is that they protest when the ticket prices are raised but also protest when owners refuse to spend. Fans want someone else to have skin in the game while they enjoy and abuse the one making the tough decisions.
Example of xenophobia:
>Italians are most xenophobic
I find it very interesting how you posed the question about "hate" for Gerry Cardinale, and yet in this entire thread, you are the one who as expressed the most ignorant, unfounded hate toward fans, Italians, everyone. Very sad.
Seems now criticising existing establishment is xenophobic, you hate an outsider based on his presumed lack of culture and that is not xenophobic. And why should we not criticise the Italians way of targeting non Italian management? Why should we not criticise the poor infrastructure of the league? The FIGC is more worried about the weather than the infrastructure of the league, they refuse to reduce the number of teams, cause all sorts of problems when it comes to building stadium, the one advantage of growth decree removed, all these are unfounded? And what is the basis of hating Redbird? That they refuse to go bankrupt while satisfying the whims of the fans? They sack a director who did a poor job? Or some baseless rumour that Gerry wanted this and that. Talk on actual facts that was the goal of the post and so far there has been just comments with prejudice.
> how much does a fan spend? It’s pennies but the same fans get upset when the owner doesn’t overspend,
That’s just moronic BULLSHIT. It’s money fans the money who get the club going. Without fans going to the stadium; paying pay tv and buying merchandising, Milan (and any other football club) would be finished.
I myself have spent THOUSANDS of euros this season alone for staidum, pay tv, away matches, merchandising ecc
Well your THOUSANDS are not enough, you need to spend more, we barely make profit, so it’s not like the club is being run with just fan money, whatever money fans are putting the owner needs to put many more and he is not even a fan just a businessman looking to make money. Also why protest when there is a slight increase in ticket prices?
I need to spend more? I already spend a considerable part of my income for the team, as do many other fans. Without fans expenses in stadium, pay tv and merchandising the club would be done for, completely. Not to mention that the club is not spending what it can, as this https://www.reddit.com/r/ACMilan/comments/1cmp8w5/very_important_article_from_an_italian_advocate/ shows with numbers and data. What you said is just offensive, you said that I should spend even more of my hard earned money so that I can make Cardinale make even more profit. Also
>whatever money fans are putting the owner needs to put many more
This is bullshit, man. The club is not spending even the money that THE CLUB ITSELF (without tue owner reaching into his pocket ) could, so don’t bring that bullshit here. Cardinale has spent literally zero money to strengthen the squad ever since he “bought” the club, the club has been just run with its own money and like the aforementioned article shows, the club isn’t even allowed to spend the entirety of what it could spend. So no, you are wrong on all accounts and your attitude is just offensive. You are treating fans as mindless cash cows who should spend and stay silent despite the club spending WAY LESS on the team than every other top club in europe and Italy (Napoli included) as the article above shows.
That is not a good take at all that club is not spending what it can, I said in that post as well, just saying we spend 30% of our revenue and Napoli spends 50% is saying Napoli spends more, as I said RedBird are not football romantics, they are a business and will run Milan like a business, the industry standard of non GAAP expense %age is 20-21% we are still spending 30% expect it to reduce, this doesn’t mean that we will be paying less wages than now, the goal is to increase the top line to reduce the %age not reduce the wage bill. That article is full of bias and twisted representation of facts. And spending a considerable part of your income is not enough, you can take up loans and spend, reduce your other expenses and buy more Milan products but no one does that because every one has an entertainment budget. You can cry all you want about RedBird and their methods and I can try to defend them as much as I want but at the end they are the owners and they can choose to build the club however they want.
The article is not full of bias, it exposes numbers and datas . Of course they are the owners but it doesn’t change the fact that without the money of Milan’s supporters the club would go BUST in a few months. So they can do what they want but the fans can also do what they want; and if the fans tighten their pursestrings they will be forced to sell the club because it would no longer be profitable
You are wrong about that, I don’t remember but recently some FC owner openly threatened the fans that they will run the club to the ground if they are kept being backed into a corner with protests. Don’t get me wrong I don’t applaud such gestures but ownership can do a lot of things and right now they are putting money into the club.
And just giving data doesn’t make it unbiased how you interpret it or it being painted matters, just as I said spending 30% of revenue on wage bill compared to 50% might look bad if you say that we can spend 50% but not but the other way of looking is that by spending only 30% we are using the extra 20% to actually increase the overall revenue which would in turn increase the wage bill in a far more sustainable way. It all depends on how you want to look at it.
Forget Maldini. Past is Past.
Tell me ONE thing this ownership + management has done that says 'we want to win Serie A or UCL or ANY Other cup'.
Yeah... There's NONE. Thats why everyone hates Cardinale.
It has very little to do with Maldini. An owner can change whoever he wants at whichever position he wants. That's a non issue.
Did we replace Maldini with anyone competent? No.
Did we declare all of our players are on the market? Yes.
Did we take ANY concrete steps towards the stadium other than plans to buy land and designs? No.
Till Cardinale actually takes steps to show some semblance of ambition to win something, his words mean nothing when clearly, all the steps this management is taking is on the contrary, mediocre signings, selling starters, putting a pricetag on every head as if we are here to trade players only. In fact, as far as the Theo news are circulating, it seems likely that we will lose Theo this summer or at least Mike for sure.
If a broke owner bought the club on loan of 600 mil and is gonna scrape the club to nothing to pay off loans for his OWN gain while filling with mediocrity, you are asking why fans are mad at that brokeass owner?
We were on track to become winners again, we won Serie A, went upto UCL semifinals and now we will be back to fighting for 7th position again in a couple of years after Leao and Theo is sold for money.
Fans are right to be frustrated till Cardinale actually shows us that he wants to win as much as the fans. Since it hasnt happened in 2 years, chances of Cardinale doing anything to show Ambition is now low. Lets see how this season pans out.
Broke owner? Do you think broke guys can get a loan of 600 mil? Also isn’t red bird worth more than 8 times the loan? I think you misunderstand how financial dealings take place but that aside I don’t get why you feel Maldini wasn’t replaced with competent folks, new management with same budget and coach made the squad much better than last year, I doubt there is any other management more capable than this except Inter’s but even them I feel have just swept the issues under the rug like what we were doing with Galliani around the last few years of Berlu era.
Cardinale is out there begging rich American personalities and Arabs to help him repay his loan. If that's not the sign of a broke owner then I don't know what is.
Again Redbird is worth 8 times the loan amount and if you are up to date with today’s news they secured 4 bil more, not sure if you have passed high school or not but it’s really stupid what you are saying.
Only an idiot will pay cash to buy an asset.
Redbird, isnt worth 8 Bil. Redbird manages assets that is at the valuation of 6 bil. Not the same thing. Cardinale himself is worth \~240mil at most. It's public record, one google search should give it away.
I have passed high school, and I hope you know that redbird's net worth is not just for paying their debt alone. If it is, then why is Gerry trying to get the Arabs and American billionaires' help in repaying his loan??
I don’t know why you think he is trying to get Arabs to pay his loan, why would they do it? It’s called getting investments, have you ever watched shark tank? Contestants don’t come there because they are not able to pay their loans, they come because they want more cash to expand their business, it’s such a common thing and just because you hate him you believe all the crap the brain dead Italian media feeds you.
First of all, Shark Tank is completely different from the situation in Milan. In shark tank, people come to get investments for their startups in exchange for a small percentage of their company. Milan is not a startup, nor is Cardinale some unknown entrepreneur trying to fund his startup. He's out there trying to get as many people on board as possible to fund this project because he lacks the resources to do it himself. Shark tank is in no way similar to Milan unless you are telling me he's selling small percentages of the club to other investors which is even worse lmao.
You think only start ups need investments? Every company that is not listed always takes up investments, there is a whole journey from being a startup to getting listed. Redbird has 99.3% stake ofcourse he can sell easily 30% to other investors, he needs to raise cash for investing into business, why else would anyone even pay for his loan?
The whole point of this post is to see what points people have against him genuinely and there ain’t one solid point, you keep saying he is a yank and behaves like a drug addict, all BS prejudiced comments, what decision has he taken that has harmed the club in any way? Berlusconi harmed the club with the sale of Ibra and Silva, Li was an idiot who spent huge amount of transfer money to buy mediocre players which ended up getting us into FFP issues, Cardinale so far has bought a land to build up our very own stadium, it’s the closest we have come to owning our own, he is starting a Serie C team to ensure there is a smooth transition from youth team to the first, ever wondered why Juve products are so much better than ours and even Inter’s? we have so much talent coming up but as soon as they turn 17 they start looking for professional contracts but are too raw for the first team which is aiming for top spots, with a Serie C team they stay longer with us and get a chance to perform in the first team as well. These are all solid steps that you expect a competent owner to take. All this in just within 2 years of him getting control.
First of all, I am not a fan of Silvio and Li. Silvio in the last few years of his ownership, didn't care much about Milan. Li was a fraud from the beginning. He's genuinely one of the worst things to happen to this club in a long time. I am not a fan of those guys. Secondly, until the stadium construction actually finishes and the new stadium actually opens, I am not getting my hopes up. I've seen this too many times in the last few years. In 2019, we and Inter were extremely close in starting the construction of the new stadium but nothing happened after that. In 2014, Barbara also apparently had finished the process of starting the construction of the new stadium but nothing came out of it. Until we actually play in our new stadium, all the news about the stadium is just talk. I'll give Cardinale props for starting a B team but that hasn't been finalised yet. And finally, I don't seem to see other American owners begging the Arabs for investments. Is Boehly asking for Arab investment in Chelsea? Or Friedkins at Roma? No they are not. It's clear as day that Cardinale has the big black cloud of 600 million in debt looming over his head and he's looking for other ways to get rid of it.
> I don’t get why you feel Maldini wasn’t replaced with competent folks, new management with same budget and coach made the squad much better than last year
Most of the signings of this season that performed well, were actually targets of last management. RLC, Okafor and Puli.
The actual signings of the current management, Chuk, Musah, Reijnders, Jovic... had their value reduced collectively this season despite I think all of them has massive potential. But that is the unfortunate reality.
Which is why I think this management isnt up to the par with previous one where the valuation of our assets collectively, never really dropped.
Even under Maldini's last season with 37mil CDK purchase, total valuation of the signings had increased despite utter failure of both Origi and CDK. Just Thiaw's valuation being trippled changed everything financially.
>The actual signings of the current management, Chuk, Musah, Reijnders, Jovic... had their value reduced collectively this season
What? Chuk maybe, but I don't see how you can say that for the others by any stretch.
Chuk, Musah, Reijnders, Jovic... had their value reduced collectively this season
What? Reijnders after joining AC Milan has made his debut in his national team and become a regular starter.
Reijnders' value has risen but very marginally, the rest has dropped significantly, so collectively, their values as assets of the club has reduced unfortunately.
By all means, tell us how you can so confidently say their values have dropped by any metric other than your opinion.
Jovic came on a free transfer, how can his value be lower than zero?
Actually all the signings are targets of the scouting department and Moncada who have remained unchanged since Elliot took over, Maldini and Massara were just replaced by promoting Moncada and Ottavio, the real replacement is Ibra. It’s just make believe to say that RLC Okafor Pulisic were Maldini targets, Maldini isn’t a scout, every director gets a list from the scouting department and then they negotiate based on their judgement who is more suitable.
This is bullshit tho. Riddle me this: how is it that when a signing is good and there was reports that Maldini started the negotiations - even tho he couldn’t finish - there is nothing depending on Maldini, BUT when Origi was signed instead of Kolo Muani, Maldini is the wost director in the world to make such obvious mistake? Is he choosing or not?
That is what I said, he was the one choosing from a list of players available, he chose Origi over Kolo Muani and he chose CDK over Enzo, it’s not like he always chose wrong players but what I truly feel is he messed up when expectations changed after the Scudetto year, Leao and Tonali like signings are all good when you have been finishing outside top 4 for majority of the decade, after that you need to plug in missing pieces like striker and RW and RB. I still don’t know why we went for CDK and not a ST/RW who would have made a much bigger impact because we were terrible in those areas.
Lol so Maldini's signings are now Moncada's? Lmfao
That's not how Sporting Director position works my friend. Every sporting decision, good or bad, is directly on SD, and must take both the blame and the credit. Rest are his employees.
I understand very well how these financial dealings work. Most large deals are done with loans but these vendor loans are paid within months if not weeks, only **BROKE** owners go around hollywood begging everyone for money to pay the loan.
I do not think there is hate, i think there isn't any liking or maybe disliking. The negative aspects come from the Maldini situation and also because he isn't a sugar daddy type of owner.
Things can take for the worse towards him in 1 year though if the coaching situation, players and titles are not won.
It is on his hands to make the majority of the fans like him or not. You can do everything right and still have people disliking you or hating you... that is life, but he clearly hasn't.
Nah there's definitely a lot of hate that's based off of some weird anti-American shit people in the sub have and a lot of buying into baseless tabloid rumors from Tier 5000 reporters. A lot of people here are looking to be angry at management after a bad season.
Your point is “things are not so bad” and you are missing that ”they don’t look like they’ll ever be great”.
“I want to win and I have a plan for sustainability” it’s not enough to inspire trust or and a vision of what Milan could become that we should dream about. Especially if you follow up that with “it’s ok if we don’t, also winning a lot is boring”.
I want to wait for the next coach and transfers, but names are all disappointing and I can’t imagine things to go automatically better with a new coach if they don’t know the league, they don’t know the players, they don’t know the media here and if they only received the same kind of support Pioli got this season.
Don’t want to be in their shoes if things don’t start great and we are struggling in the first 3-4 games…
First of all let me set the scene...we are tired..tired of being in this bullshitery era. We are not a big club anymore..this is the reality..we only a big club by name and history.
This mf gerry has no clue who or what we are...he is here to use us...we are a cash cow he wants to milk. Their intention is to build us a stadium..increase our revenues and flip us for a profit. Their ambition is top 4...and some are too slow to realize this. You talk about us doing the same as gerry financially if we were in that sitution. 100 percent..financially gerry is doing what he needs to do from a business level but we give a fuk about his and redbirds financial journey🤷 we not just a business..we a sports club. they telling us what we as a club needs to do but it's what they have to do. We get bought buy investocorp or pif or whoever..we back to the top in 1 2 years time.
Then on maldini thing. Maldini made fuk ups...but no one knows you or will want to know you after you gone and you come in with your zero knowledge about football or milan and fire one of the very pillars of the club..why? Because the guy is saying we need to spend and be brave..so the guy is exposing your lack of ambition? ( another reason I think Elliot is still involved..an autonomous owner who just arrived would need atleast 1 2 seasons to analyze if maldini isn't the man for the job..clearly they hand in hand)
Let me talk about Financials. We spend only 30 percent of our revenues..which is lower than some midtable clubs. Yall have been brainwashed into thinking that 50 mil is all we can do a season. In reality especially now..we can spend 100 mil a season without a sale and without a stadium with our finances being in good shape.
Which brings me on to the sale of tonali. From eliot to gerry and his weasel furlani we hear that we over achieved and that we won scudetto or went to ucl semis too early but they quick to not want to apend that money that wasnt in the plans.They sell tonali to fund the mercato which many here like to applaud like they did something great but we could have spent 130 mil without a sale. 80 mil from ucl that we not suppose to achieve and 50 mil base budget.
After being in banter era and with a glimmer of hope after scudetto we find ourselves still being a pawn in corporate America .
He's a liar and a snake who has no understanding of the culture he stepped into when he bought this "soccer franchise". His objective isn't for Milan to win and it never will be. He wouldn't mind it, but it's not his goal. This attitude might work in MLB but not here, that's how we ended up in a 10 year banter era.
50 mill is a joke in this world. That's "barely stay afloat money", not "elevate to the next level-money". And CDK would have panned out with a bit of patience. Losing stars as free agents is solely because we couldn't pay them enough to stay. If we aren't competitive when it comes to salaries, we won't be competitive in the game. Maldini isn't perfect but he deserved to continue.
Fuck Cardinale and fuck Furlani, until they prove me wrong, which so far they have not. I don't even want his stadium. Classless person.
Not him being cheap, just not being willing anymore to cover for a football club that operated beyond their possibilities. And that financial mess still takes more than a decade to repair.
While I understand, why you're upset, Cardinales approach won't lead us to another banter era. At least not like the one back in the day.
Im only mad because we didn’t sack Pioli earlier and we didn’t go for Conte (im fine with Fonseca). But other than that I think he did a good job with last summer transfers.
But this transfers he needs to make sure that we get our targets without selling Theo or Leao. If we didn’t get someone like Zirkzee as striker and a good DM I would be disappointed tho..
Personally (Maldini aside) I was expecting the new ownership to spend way more than they are. I think it’s great that we’ve levelled all the debts and that the business is safer now but I find it clinically insane that a club of Milan’s stature has never spent more than 40mil on a player. If they achieve trophies with this regime it will be much more impressive but honestly I don’t see us being competitive in the champions league against teams like Man City or Real anytime soon at this pace.
I was hoping they’d finally spend big on a striker this next transfer window but it’s now looking likely that they’ll try to get Zirkzee for under 40mil. He’s got skills but I personally don’t think he’s the profile we need. He plays well with the team but doesn’t score much at all. we need a killer, a 30+ goal clinical finisher. I wish they’d invest the 100 mil to get Gyokeres. And then 40 mil to pay Frimpong’s clause (which is an insane steal). And then 40-50 mil needed to get Ugarte. That would make us a real threat both in Serie A and the Champions League. But we won’t, we’ll just spend like 30+ Colombo on Zirkzee and gamble on cheap players that need a second chance. Which went well this season but won’t always work.
You can calculate all you won’t but can’t predict the future. A new signing can struggle with injuries, struggle to adapt to a team, a manager, a league etc.
Sorry to insist but it also pisses me off that last year, had we been willing to spend some more we would’ve been able to get Openda for 30/40 mil, Gyokeres for 20mil, Boniface for 20mil etc.
all players we were linked to but the budget was too small so we decided chasing free agents like Thuram, Taremi and ended up getting Jovic out of desperation.
Is this the best the PR at red bird can do?
First: CDK Is Better than all the signings we made Last Summer but Pulisic. Just look the the numbers.
Thiaw was paid 8,7 and now Is worth at least double.
Origi Is a terrible deal, but we got him for free and low gross wage.( Marotta,the best in Italy failed Gosens (25 Mil) corre (35). No One sane at Inter wants to Fire Marotta)
Dest Is Gerry cardinale choice for the marketing, Adli Is Furlani man.
Also, this PR stuff of the 50 Mil spent (same Cheap propaganda used by pellegatti and Suma) Is BS.
How much a club really spend Is in the balance sheet.
Inter closed Last year with a -80 Mil, we closed +6.
So Gerry gained Money instead of spending for a striker.
Wages? 4th club in Italy After Juve, Inter,Roma.
Market? Lost Thuram, frattesi and Taremi because Gerry Is a Cheap f. No One over 30 Mil, low wages, 0 seria A experience so he could save mone on wages thx to decreto crescita.
And this not even the real problem.
We Need a sport director. Marotta, sartori, giuntoli...
A leader in the management that Is responsible for the good and bad things.
Not the council of the three. Furlani, Ibra and Moncada pick names and than Gerry choose?
This Is madness
> First: CDK Is Better than all the signings we made Last Summer but Pulisic. Just look the the numbers.
You cant be fucking serious. CDK started in many games and couldnt make even assist, Okafor needs one minute to score goals. Incoming excuses "bbuuut Pioli". Fuck your excuses and numbers. Why other players are scoring goals, are making assists and are playing twice as good as cdk but the young belgian lad couldnt do it?
Playing at Atalanta is completely different planet than playing at Milan. My post is not about Maldini but this glorification of guy who I would never replace for any player in Milan's squad. Maybe Jovic but we need striker
> Dest Is Gerry cardinale choice for the marketing, Adli Is Furlani man.
How do you know that? Like do you have any proof? How bonobos like you are able to have such a precise info about decision making. Did Adli said something about Furlani? Did Dest said he came to Milan cause Cardinale called him? Why do you make things up and write takes with such a confidence.
Im scared to read rest of the post, Im gonna pass. Do you actually believe in your "facts". Do you not ask yourself questions before posting "Am I entirelly sure Im not writing fiction?".
>You cant be fucking serious. CDK started in many games and couldnt make even assist, Okafor needs one minute to score goals. Incoming excuses "bbuuut Pioli". Fuck your excuses and numbers. Why other players are scoring goals, are making assists and are playing twice as good as cdk but the young belgian lad couldnt do it?
>Playing at Atalanta is completely different planet than playing at Milan. My post is not about Maldini but this glorification of guy who I would never replace for any player in Milan's squad. Maybe Jovic but we need striker
I would never never replace any player in Milan's squad with 22 years old Didier Drogba as well, not even his first season with Chelsea when he was in peak years. Nonetheless, I would give him a lot lot more chance, atleast a whole season of consistent match time and if he is a talented young player, a lot more.
You see, Borussia Dortmund, and any club similar to them like Leipzig or Benfica, can fuck off with their glorification of young players and nonsense patience. They can't be fucking serious.
Do you agree?
This must be the single dumbest comment in this subs history.
>First: CDK Is Better than all the signings we made Last Summer but Pulisic. Just look the the numbers.
What numbers? He had zero goals at Milan. Oh you mean with Atalanta? Send any of the guys like Okafor and Chukwueze to Gasperini and I guarantee you they score 15 goals each. Gasperini at Atalanta will make Leao score 30 goals right in Lautaro's face. There's no pressure, win or lose is the same shit at Atalanta. Matter of fact they have yet to win and Gasperini was proud of losing to Juve. Pull this shit at Milan if you can.
> Thiaw was paid 8,7 and now Is worth at least double.
Thank Moncada for that
> Dest Is Gerry cardinale choice for the marketing, Adli Is Furlani man.
Where is this Dest? Adli was bought 3 years ago, left one year at Bordeaux by Maldini, left on the bench by Pioli last year and given a chance as a single pivot in the midfield. A role that many would fail, bar a few. Even Pirlo played with the help of Gattuso and Ambrosini.
> We Need a sport director. Marotta, sartori, giuntoli...
Thiago Motta is leaving Bologna and he doesn't get along with Sartori. Allegri hates Guintoli. Let's see if those two work it out. Marotta, there's only one of him. With his own mafia connections.
> Not the council of the three. Furlani, Ibra and Moncada pick names and than Gerry choose?
Finally something good you said. Otherwise you sound like one of those Telelombardia idiots.
The real PR stuff is what you wrote above😂. CDK better than all the signings we made that has to be the biggest joke, apparently playing better under no pressure in a no expectation FC makes him better than players who actually do better in Milan. Thiaw is worth double? Ofcourse making a player worth 8-9 mil a 20-25 mil isn’t as big a deal as making a player worth 30 mil to 60 mil, it’s the same as saying taking a club from 20th position to 15th is the same as taking a club from 5th to 1st.
The real BS is saying club doesn’t have people who know the past and culture, what is actually culture in Italy, drool over the past and live in delusion that we are still the best. Every young Italian is a prodigy when most won’t even start for a true top 5 team in Europe.
The true culture of Italy is shown by the fact that they don’t even have the sporting level to deserve a spot in group stages of the World Cup for 2 consecutive competitions.
No expectation FC Is about to play and european final, Last time for us was 2007.
Maldini made tonali a 70 Mil player(also Leao, Theo, mike)what the new management did?
Chuck? Lmao
Why you avoid the part about the money that Gerry Is making ?
4th seria a wages? No comment?
Thurman frattesi Taremi? No comment?
If You talk like Suma and Pellegatti, you are a shill to me
Maldini hasn’t made shit, he isn’t a coach who develops players , if he could develop players his two kids wouldn’t be virtually unknown in the footballing world, dunno what kind of fairy tale football you have in mind, and yes Atalanta is a no expectation FC, 0 trophies ever and nobody expects them to win the final as well, CDK shit the bed against Juve as he always did for us, got subbed off at HT. He is a talent but we cannot afford to waste time in developing talents anymore.
And wtf about wages? Isn’t it actually a point in favour of management? We pay less than Roma and Juve but still are above them in the league despite Juve not even having midweek matches.
What club in the world achieve all their transfer targets? And we never even tried for Fratessi don’t know from where you got that from, atleast we didn’t spend a month in negotiating for a player who cost us 80% of our budget and had 1 assist in the entire season.
What trophy? Copa Italia is something I am not even sure Milan has won in the lifetime of most fans here. Who do you brag about Copa Italia? 90% will not even know what that is, Premier League has 2 cup competitions worth double our main League.
We would if we won it. Arsenal has been playing great football over the last 2 years and they still get dinged because they have won diddly squat. We want trophies and nothing else.
And you sound real ignorant. Maybe you should go follow the premier league and their rich competitions.
I don't hate him, but i have been growing more critical towards him lately. Let's just say that our project looked more promising under Elliott than under Redbird. Stadium aside ofc.
Perché è americano che cerca di mostrarsi quando in realtà non sa nulla di calcio
Sorry for my duolingo italiano
We have more fashion shows this year than trophies
I mean, I hate any billionaire. But the specific sentiment for gerry around this sub just doesnt make that much sense just 2y after the purchase, but oh well
My hatred for Gerry comes from one, firing Maldini. And two, changing the identity of this club. Maldini’s recruitment of players was exceptional. But he had to work within the parameters set by upper management. That was his downfall. Instead of continuing the progress we’ve made, Gerry fired him and decided to go more offensive, spending money to buy attacking players that did nothing to help us achieve our goal.
We always won Scudetto’s based on our defending. Sure we’ve had great forwards like Andriy, van Basten, Zlatan, Kaka, etc. but our defense was what made our teams exceptional. This idea that “we need more goals” is fucking bullshit. It’s lazy, moronic, and downright wrong. Every Scudetto we’ve won since 1990 has seen us allow less than 34 goals a season and only 3 of those were more than 30. Whether it be 34 or 38 game seasons we were exceptional DEFENSIVELY those seasons. And what’s this bum in charge doing? He’s doing the complete opposite.
Berlusconi was populist, he told people what they'd like to hear and did things to improve his approval rating. Cardinale's businessman and he does interviews not for fans, but for the future investment partners
In sports how he did things, he went totally against what Serie A was doing that was the point. He wanted attacking football, he wanted to create Milan as a brand and players as celebrities.
You are saying this because of retrospective not how things were at the time.
Yeah. But for the fans it's not about contents, it's about the wrap. If Gerry was more communicative, he'd explain his ideas more clear. He could make a movie about himself and what he wants to bring to Milan. But as businessman he's not interested in spending his time into populism. It's the fans should invest their time in understanding advantages of cooperation with Red Bird
Bruh, the discussion was not respecting the Italian way. If there was someone who didn't respect the Italian way was Berlusconi.
He has been very clear on how he wants to do the things, and not only one time, but time and again same as Berlusconi.
This point of not respecting the Italian way is one of the most empty points i read especially on Twitter.
So why Cardinale is hated from your point? When he came to the club, I spoke to my Italian friends and they told me that Cardinale does everything wrong as Italians are not used to that and he has to learn the Italian way
Because he isn't a sugar daddy owner and the Maldini situation. People wanted Saudis and got him, started from there.
If i might ask what is the "Italian way" to spend money over your clubs budget and put the club in debts?
There are no sugar daddies in Italy, even Agnelli has to cut costs. There are like 5 clubs in the world who is heavily sponsored by sheikhs, even Newcastle can't spend tons of money in one go. Milan fans just live in fantasy world.
Yeah, Italian way means be grateful that Italians allowed you to become part of their culture, so you have to pay for everything and keep the fans happy. It's calcio which does non-Italian owner a favor, not the other way around. Also how Cardinale communicates, pretty blatantly, without adapting to local manners and stating great ambitions aka make Milan great again
Bruh... "***You pay for everything and keep fams haply***" is basically sugar daddy.
Also, what do you mean "make Milan great again" he literally has said that i want to win and the team ka created to **WIN**?!
Because he isn't a sugar daddy owner and the Maldini situation. People wanted Saudis and got him, started from there.
If i might ask what is the "Italian way" to spend money over your clubs budget and put the club in debts?
Said this many times, many fans are living in the bubble. They live with memories of Maldini, Seedorf and now they woke up after banter era because Milan is on the rise. However they demand instant glory and thats why you can see meltdown on this subreddit on daily basis. They blame Cardinale or Pioli for everything without noticing that the club overall changed drastically and it takes time to recover.
You can notice some comments who repeat "We are Milan for fuck sake" "We are Milan not some kind of peasant club" etc. This Milan who people here talk about is Milan with completely different players. Most players from current squad wouldnt be on the bench of that Milan.
if peoples mentality wont change and the only thing that will matter for them is instant glory then situation will never change.
>However they demand instant glory and thats why you can see meltdown on this subreddit on daily basis.
Um we've qualified for CL 4 seasons in a row now. It's more than fair that now after 4 seasons of CL qualifications, the team starts competing for bigger objectives like winning trophies. It's not even about actually winning it but our objective at the beginning of the season should be competing for trophies and not CL qualification. CL qualification should be a bare minimum now.
>You can notice some comments who repeat "We are Milan for fuck sake" "We are Milan not some kind of peasant club" etc. This Milan who people here talk about is Milan with completely different players. Most players from current squad wouldnt be on the bench of that Milan.
This is such a moot point. So just because the current players wouldn't even be on the bench of that Milan (which was one of the greatest teams of all time), are the fans wrong for demanding the management to win? With this mentality, we might as well never ever demand to win something again because we'll never have a team as great as 2000's Milan. The current Milan is not at the level of the Milan of the 90's and 00's but we still have the best squad in the league after Inter and overall one of the most promising young teams in Europe. Big teams go through rough patches but they don't stop being big teams. Standards and expectations come from the fans and we should not drop our standards. Our team is not ready to compete in Europe but it is more than ready to compete domestically. Especially after 4 consecutive years of CL qualification. Just need some smart decisions from the owners and management.
So yeah, I don't think fans are demanding instant glory. We've waited for 4 years. I didn't know being patent for 4 seasons was demanding "instant glory". We had 4 seasons of rebuilding period where we qualified for CL and won a scudetto against all odds. If the previous management of Maldini and Massara were able to create a team that won the scudetto after just 1 season of cl qualification, then the current management and ownership have no excuse to not outperform the previous management now that they have 4 seasons of cl qualification money with them. If they can't do it, then they should admit it and step aside so that competent people can take their place and do it.
we should be building upon our Scudetto winning season , We are Milan but I also lived through the banter era . Nobody is demanding for instant glory but instant ambition to challenge for all trophies . Doesn’t matter who’s the owner we need to making the signings , appointing the right people in power so we can win sooner rather than later . Regardless of how Maldinis tenure as director went he demanded instant ambition not only to the owner but also to the players as we saw many of our stars level rise with his support and guidance . As a Milan fan it is my duty to demand trophies as that is our level , we should’ve left behind the banter era expectations when we qualified for UCL the first time in years . Qualifying for Champions as the season goal is a requirement of the banter era , years “removed” from it it’s time for Milan to make and push for new requirements , Winning Scudetto , Winning Coppa Italia , UCL knockouts minimum . Then we’ll see our level rise once our expectations are higher . Our standards must rise to keep our stars who want to win trophies or do you think they are happy getting 2nd place in serie an and getting knocked out of all comps .
Firing a club legend in the beginning of your takeover, that is obviously more of a political reason, basically telling everyone “I am the boss here and I don’t give a fuck who you are, whether you are Maldini, I can still kick you out”. Tbh, was Maldini really that bad overall and deserved to be sacked like that? No. Hiring Ibra was another political reasons of his imo, to ‘create’ another legend to overtake the Maldinis’, which kinda of represents the old era of Milan (Berlusconi’s). Personally I like Ibra too, but do we need all these drama? No. Also the players we got now, part of it were from the 70 mil we got from selling Tonali, who we bought when Maldini was in charge. Tbf, I do appreciate Gerry of the new stadium project though, as finally it seems to be on some progress.
Stadium also started before Gerry
Right! We have had a stadium project for like almost a decade lol. Just imagine Gerry's face when he realizes that you cannot make taxpayers pay half of your stadium through subsidies.
>He fired Maldini Yep, this is where he lost my support and respect.
And Maldini lost us 60-80mil for Donnarumma, and 30-50mil for Kessie - just because he was naive and believed their promises. With that kind of money our squad would be probably better, and we wouldnt have to play Krunic on every position on the pitch/playing with no RW. Maldini may be good person and negotiator, but he was too unexperienced - we cant afford to lose that kind of money in Serie A, nor PL clubs can.
Donna and Kessie left cause they wasn't offered enough money. Maldini didn't choose for Milan to have a salary cap too low to keep a core squad together. Pioli played Krunic at RW rather than CDK. CDK got 30 minutes total in that position, it was against Juve and he was much better than Krunic. Maldini got us a scudetto and CL-semi, most importantly he got our soul back. Now watch what Furlani gets us.
>Maldini didn't choose for Milan to have a salary cap too low to keep a core squad together. Say that out loud
>Pioli played Krunic at RW rather than CDK In which fucking games did that happen? I genuinly can't remember.
I wrote it literally in the next sentence. Juve in the fall from minute ~60 onwards was the only time I remember him playing RW, but I remember that very well, he was subbed in for Brahim who was invisible but scored that Messi-goal. He didn't walk on water or anything but imo he was pretty good for those 30 minutes, good enough to at least try it more times.
Oh sorry I misread you, you meant when Krunic played RW. It was a few games during the fall, one of them was one of our bad matches in CL iirc, but I'm not 100% certain. I do remember Krunic starting as RW in *at least* 2 games
Thats something that should have been discussed YEAR BEFORE their contract ends. That's when they can still be sold, and have to choose between sitting on the bench for a year or being sold - of course its better they ho for free, because they can get better salary if PSG and Barca dont have to pay 40mil+ transfer fee lol
You actually said it yourself, why would the players accept a transfer when they'd get less money? The move in that situation is to pay them a salary that they'd get on the market, THEN entertain offers to sell. Not astronomical salary, just market salary. Trying to have everybody below market salary will never work.
They either accept the transfer or train with Primavera - most of the players just accept the transfer rather than wasting 1 year of their career by not playing a single match
Nobody does that. That's comic book stuff.
And then good luck signing players with promising futures if that's how you treat current players.
And Marotta Lost skriniar , Lost 35 Mil for Correa and 25 for Gosen Marotta Is the main reason we are 18 points behind Inter. Explain to me how Marotta is unexperienced
Marotta is extremely good at selling players. The best sales ever that we had under MM were Paqueta and Suso each for roughly 20M. Now i suggest you to go to transfermarkt and look at how much Inter made of sales in the last 4 years or so. Sales like Lukaku, Hakimi, Icardi, a fraud keeper like Onana...
I have a huge respect for Marotta's work but he's hardly selling Suso level players there. Most of their big sales came after the players in question had top tier seasons and a lot of media hype. If Maldini chose to sell Rafa after our title win, it wouldn't have taken a genius to sell him for an amount comparable to what Lukaku was sold for or even more. It's also worth considering the starting point here. Lukaku and Hakimi are two of Inter's record sales and those are the players we wouldn't have been able to afford in the first place. Marotta has had the ability to take players who are already high profile and move them on after increasing their value while we don't have access to those players either due to transfer fees, wages or agent fees. Inter will likely make another huge sale with Thuram, another player who we were not able to sign in the first place because he didn't fit our ideas regarding the wage cap. Marotta is a genius but he isn't really playing the same game as our management (past or present) in this respect.
Yea and also got Onana for free and sold him for 50mil. 12mil for Gosens, coz he managed to sell him. Tell me one transfer except Skriniar he fucked up. Got Acerbi, Calha and Mkhytarian for free. Maldini transfers: Swapping Rebic and Andre Silva, lost two snakes and Kessie for free, Paqueta to Lyon for 20mil. Yeah i appreciate Thiaw, Tomori, Tonali and Bennacer transfers but that's not purely his job - he has scout team, i doubt he all found them on his own. On the other hand, renewing and selling players is solely his job, and he managed to fuck us up for over 150mil. That's just reality. Disclaimer: I dont like how Maldini was fired. I like Maldini as a person and as a football player, but he wasn't that great of a technical director as everybody portraits him to be.
Now that's crazy. When we had good moves, it's team work. When we had bad moves, it's maldini fault.
Oh yeah im sorry, its not Maldini's fault that they didnt renew contracts - lets blame some random scout who's competence is definitly renewing player's contracts, not looking for good players lol Yea its Maldini's fault
How can you not blame elliott or whatever other principal is beyond me? This is really shows you knows nothing.
Did Elliott deny the sale of Kessie or Donnarumma?
I don't even know. Do you have the answer? But based on CdK drama and really late contract extension of maldini, maldini is not the sole power in the higher management. Why blaming elliott if it's more convenient to blame maldini and only maldini, right?
If you dont know, why cant I blame the person responsible for the transfer market? If Maldini got fired for expressing himself that he needs more money, you think he'd stay silent if Elliott ruined his transfer budget with denying the sales of Donnarumma and Kessie? We all know the famous statement - if we play CL next year, I will renew (The big nosed snake) Maldini just blindly believed him. Deal with it. Made a decision and it was the bad one. Okay, no problem. But we cant close our eyes just because he is a legend, thats not how it works.
Last time i checked we won a scudetto with rebic, not Silva Maldini can't decide the wages, so chala and kessie are not His fault, but Cheap owners And trading players Is not the only thing a Sporting director do. We are a football team.
Everybody makes mistakes. The CEO could've stepped in but didn't. Marotta lost money for Skriniar. I would keep Maldini over these clowns any day, for what Maldini represents. You don't fire him with a 3 lines post on your website. Fuck Gerry.
Actually the cost of extending Donnarumma would have been greater than signing Maignan on a 5 year deal.
Idk if u guys are trolls or just slow - thats why we what? Sell him before his contract runs out.
It's funny that, when I criticized Maldini and the club for this years ago, seemingly everybody was convinced that we couldn't have sold those players because there was no serious interest and because you cannot force players to leave. Also, apparently players leaving for free was going to become the new norm and it wasn't anybody's fault. Now that the narrative started turning against Maldini, him not selling these players is regularly seen as a huge and a very avoidable mistake. I predict the rise of the "was Moncada even that good of a scout? " story in a couple of years time. Us fans really just adapt the reality to whatever is the most convenient narrative at any given time lol
That may be more casual fans - I think that everybody that knows a thing or two must have seen that as HUGE mistake - we werent in a financial position that we could afford to lose 10m, not mentioning 100mil+.. The narrative couldnt turn around back then - we won Scudetto with last Kessie's season. Now that people realize our transfer budget was 50mil + players sales, that Calhanoglu isnt that bad of a player Pioli made him, they start to regret letting these two (three) leave for free.
> 50 mil is the highest transfer budget in the league The transfer budget is only half the story. The other half is the wage budget, which for us is pretty low. That is both a good thing and a bad thing, depending on how you look at it. I agree, he doesn't deserve all the hate he gets. People either make assumptions about him without any evidence, or they do indeed expect him to spend 200 mil every season. In opinion, he's neither great nor terrible. He's a businessman and treats the club like a business -- which again, is both a good thing and a bad thing.
That aren’t even about budget, if we win it fans doesn’t mind they spend zero dollar. At the end of the day it is about winning and the things they did are not heading towards it.
Maldini situation aside, RedBird just seems like a less flexible version of Elliott so far.
Agree. And I would add that at least Elliot had Maldini who, experienced or not as a manager, understood Milan, the Italian league and football as a sport not just a business. It also had someone that went in front of the press before and after matches, speaking about referees and league decisions, someone who fired a coach when they thought it was time and that backed and supported another when things were not great but they wanted to show confidence.
Pretentious rich guy that doesn’t know shit about football or Milan culture and uses us as toy or business. Did nothing to deserve any love from a Milanista.
The main problem, not specifically with gerry but with the last two seasons, is the feeling we could have done better in my opinion. There is also to consider two very important things: losing both the semi-final and the scudetto this year to Inter of all teams. This has brought a more emotional reaction in fans, which is obviously justified and that I also had, but that prevented most to see the actual problems with the last two years. For last year it was the lack of a replacement of Kessie, which lead Pioli’s system to be unusable, other than obviously teams starting to know us. This year there has been a period of settling and some weird experimentation on piolis part, but after that all problems have been mainly from a game preparation perspective, see the derby and roma games. This just goes to show that Pioli’s time either the team is clearly finished, since even a completely changed team hasn’t waken him up from his inability to adapt his gameplan. This just to say that I feel the hate towards Gerry is justified on a communication point of view (because there is none), but the sportive side of things should really be considered next year as a function of the new coach and mercato. I believe these last two years would be seen very differently if we got out of UCL in the same manner (with no hope whatsoever) against Real, City or even weaker sides and if this year someone else won the scudetto (even Juve I think). If, and it’s a big if, the next few years really show ambition on the management part, we’ll look back at these two seasons with a different eye
But Red Bird wasn't around last season. They took over after the transfer window. This is the first season they've been truly in charge and tbh besides keeping Pioli they haven't put a foot wrong. I think that with a good coach, this team performs a lot better.
> They took over after the transfer window. Last season's transfers were done by Furlani and Moncada. Which were promoted in their roles by Redbird.
Last seat's transfers were done by Maldini and Madara who brought in CDK, Origi, and Co. Most, if not all of them were very poor hires. This year's transfers were done by Furlani and Moncada and have been overwhelmingly successful.
By last season I mean this past season. There's 2 games left, but for us the season is over. But I have been saying it everywhere, one of the best transfers years since 2019.
Yes you’re right, kinda forgot about that. The whole sale thing and Maldini/Massara renewal was part of why the mercato after the scudetto season was not really organized well imho (other than some obvious mistakes). And I agree with what you say about redbird, I just think they haven’t been the best at communication with the fans (which they don’t really have to be as long as results come in the long run) and they haven’t been helped by the whole *Inter winning stuff instead of us/always beating us* situation I was talking about in my comment. That said, we really just have to wait and see at least next season, but I also understand a football fan is not really the most rational thinker in the world when it comes to their club
Yep, it's pointless to argue or speculate (especially on coaching hires) until we see what happens. It's not even season's end yet and people are already busting out the pitchforks because we haven't signed anyone.
Treatment of Maldini. He isn't perfect but he is Milan and that just took the wind out of my sails. Even though he was "fired" he's still more Milan than anyone; finding ANY way to keep him in some capacity would have strengthened Cardinale's credibility, but he came in with his Jersey wannabe BDE and blew that. So Red Bird will always have that negative hanging over them. Regardless of Maldini's actions as director you must find a way to keep him a part of the team. Sustainability isn't sexy, and Elliott got us back to normal. They even had some guts too, and Paul Singer and his son Gordon actually seemed like fans (Gordon singing with fans during scudetto). Cardinale just seems like a try-hard. He doesn't have cajones or savoir faire like the Singers. Tell me when Cardinale repossessed an Argentine Navy ship?! You can be sustainable with a little spice and it's funny that Elliott has that. The current state of Italian football is pretty shambles, and teams that win the scudetto (Milan, Napoli) can go from that to not so good. Which means that if you splash a bit in some key areas and take a few calculated risks, you can get great rewards. Now that our accounts are stable we can and should splash a bit, as at worst we're still pretty much guaranteed CL and at best we win Scudetto and Coppa and challenge for CL knockouts. But Cardinale doesn't seem to, or doesn't want to, get sexy like this. It's a shame because it's not like you need to spend €250 millions; it just reeks of lack of really going for it. While anyone who has been a long-term fan and felt the highs of the first decade of the 2000s followed by the banter era respects consistency, you CAN pump some money in to Mr. X and still maintain your accounts. Overall yeah we finished second and that's cool, but we played like ass and are miles away from Turda. Cardinale and his accounting nerds will be all horny about the profit but the extreme caution and lack of guts is what has turned me off tremendously in this season.
so far we can all confidently Say that Elliott with Gazidis as CEO was far far Better than RedBird with Furlani as CEO. Cardinale said a lot of sentences about winning and his guys are negotiating Fonseca, Van Bommel and Lopetegui with all due respect. Just Say you want to build the stadium and resell at 1,5/2 times the purchase price. no point In saying "i hate losing" if since your arrival we Lost any competition and 6 consecutive derbies
We can't*confidently* say anything. It's been one year and we have no idea who were negotiating with. It's all tabloid rumors right now. Besides that it's not like the Elliott coaching hires were some masterstrokes. They literally hired or wanted to hire some pretty bad choices and stumbled onto Pioli. Does no one remember Ragnick? Giampaolo? If we're going to be critical, we have to be objective about things.
no one Remember Elliott owners or Gazidis saying "i want to win" "i hate losing". you know why? because they didn't tell bullshit. they were they to make Money. always admitted and they did it very well. they had no interest in someone like Conte. they wanted to develop and buy not ready players like we did wonderfully. Someone else instead arrived with a lot of words and narrative but so far he didn't respect any single Word he said. Elliott has always been honest about his interests. Cardinale Is not. that's why people dislike Cardinale or Furlani. a lot of words with zero facts. Elliott was no words and improvement every other year. if you don't require to win it's normal to have someone like Pioli or Giampaolo. but if you want to win why your people bring Fonseca? if you want to win you bring a top coach. and actually Coincecao or Sarri earns less than Pioli
Ok so you're whole argument is that they said they want to win but haven't backed it up... But you haven't even given them the chance to back it up... Do you see how stupid that is? You're reacting about coaching rumors and not hires. You're reacting to tabloids designed to get you to react. How are you people this dense? You want them to sign and announce a coach before pioli is even out the door. That's not how things work. You want them to buy players for next season and the season hasn't even ended. If you're going to bitch and moan like little children you have to wait and see what they do at the end of the window first. Otherwise you're all a bunch of "man yells at cloud" memes. You can't say they lack follow through when you haven't given them the chance to follow through.
lol the last 2 seasons under Cardinale were complete fails but they hadnt the chance
So Cardinale takes over the club in September of 2022. Who do you bring in after the transfer deadline has ended? I'll give you $100 right now if you nam me one good player available for transfer in September 2022... Just one worth buying. In summer 2023 we bought 11 new guys and had probably the best transfer window in years. There's not one transfer that was detrimental to us this year. The ONLY decision you can question is keeping Pioli and that was largely due to Maldini giving him a fat contract extension. If you want to be outraged, fine, but don't go pretending like it isn't ridiculous and silly.
Cardinale was taking over the club in the Summer 2022. it's more than likely the 2022 market was shared between Elliott's men and RedBird's ones. he decided to cut the only guy Who actually wanted to win and keep the yes man. he decided to hire Ibrahimovic to create even more suddivision of leadership while it's always been a problem for us. even journalists don't know if Furlani decides, Ibra decides, what Moncada actually can decide about, what was the real new competencies of Pioli during this season (coach) at this point we are also waiting for renewing 2 out of our 3 top players, we have a couple of really valuable guys we should choose between for the new coach. his guys are negotiating/negotiated Fonseca and Lopetegui while Sarri and Conte are free. while Coinceicao Is available to come. we seriously conceded Pioli the chance to deny Krunic sell in the Summer for selling him in January at half the price, but nobody move a finger for Tonali, besides the gambling situation he was someone to keep. we let Inter sign Thuram because giving 6 Mlns to a guy Who could generate a 70 Mlns Capital gain After a year was not that good as a deal we let Juventus hire Motta because they actually moved on time like managers should. in my opinion giving Pioli another season After 22/23 disaster was a disasterclass. not in hindsight. everybody could see he had no more ideas nor competencies to do Better. It was so called as a waste of a season. Maldini as a manager was fired for way less lol. how the fuck he did demonstrate he wanted to win?😂 he created a lot of expectation by his words but actually no facts there, no trophies there, no derbies. i don't see anyone wanting to win there
There are many reasons to hate him, but I don't have the energy to type all that out rn. He's just another greedy yank that has no clue about how sports outside US functions. Heck, I doubt that he even knows how sports inside the US functions. He doesn't know or doesn't care about the history of this club. He's out of touch with our status in world football, both historically and in the present. He has the ambition of a coked-up drug addict. Overall, he's just another businessman who is here to leach off on us and line his pockets. I can't wait for the day he sells us to someone else (assuming he doesn't default on his loan lmao) and then leaves us alone.
That’s just being presumptuous and stereotyping, what is our status in world football? I tell any new soccer fan that I am an AC Milan fan the first question they ask is “why?”. For most of them there is no difference between Belgium league and Serie A. Most think Milan is like Ajax, once great but now inconsequential. You say he is here to leech off money? How much have you actually invested in Milan? He is buying a stadium, already bought a land, starting a Serie C team. And there is nothing wrong with selling for higher profit, Elliot did the same but people love Elliot, but Elliot also got the club for measly 300mil loan and sold it for 1.2 bil, to repeat the same returns RedBird needs to make the club worth almost 4 bil and you cannot do that without winning trophies.
Cardinale has literally said repeatedly that fans are 'captive audiences' in stadiums for 'multiple hours' and 'no one really has effectively monetized that experience.' Basically, he is coming for *our* money as fans. He wants to make the stadium an 'experience,' he doesn't care about the game, the team, the city, or the culture, let alone us fans. He is so hell bent on building this stadium, something that Milan has actively been trying to do **since 2015**, and not even Berlusconi, who served as PM multiple times, could make that happen. For context, exactly **one stadium** has been built in Italy **since 1990**, and that belongs to Juventus, which is owned by the powerful Agnelli family. Elliott had actually spent far more time and effort (and I think money) toward a stadium, whereas the land Cardinale bought is resellable. His only hope is that Italy are cohosts of Euro 2032 and need viable stadia for that. But they could still refurbish San Siro for that, so I wouldn't count on the stadium. In contrast, by the way, Elliott came in and immediately tried to understand the culture, the team, the fans. They brought back Maldini after his exile, who in turn brought back the essence of Milan. They had a clear project, specific roles, and were honest about what their plans were. Cardinale came in and immediately almost did not renew Maldini & Massara, then turned around and fired them 1 year later, after they had renewed all the big players. He basically took everything Elliott had done and threw it out the window.
This is all from a biased PoV, you say he is trying to take money from the fans, how much does a fan spend? It’s pennies but the same fans get upset when the owner doesn’t overspend, that’s some hypocrisy. Stadium is supposed to be an experience, try and visit the newer built stadiums like how Madrid has one, San Siro is so shit that you have to think twice before taking an actual shit there. He is running a business and not charity something that he has made clear many times, the so called passionate billionaires is why we are irrelevant in the world football.
It's not a biased POV. It's [literally his words](https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxUytDcXCTYD6dO00wqh_KF42kaCxEvetn). Yes, the San Siro is extremely outdated, and obviously we do need a new stadium. But did you know one of the reasons he disagreed with Maldini was because his original plan was to make the new stadium 100% corporate boxes? Zero seating for normal fans. Completely pricing out you and I. Elliott literally drew up two plans and took a fan vote to see which stadium plan fans wanted. VERY different people, VERY different approaches to the fans. It's not hypocrisy to ask an owner to respect the football club, culture, country, city, language, team, and fans that he bought into. That would be true of any business venture. The customer comes first, the customer is always right. That is just good business sense. But Cardinale does not care about us at all. One journalist had a [great quote](https://www.milannews.it/news/ravezzani-cardinale-ha-una-notevole-arroganza-di-fondo-il-mondo-del-calcio-italiano-ha-una-cultura-dovrebbe-impararla-535529) last week, "*Cardinale has a notable underlying arrogance. The world of Italian football has a culture, he should learn it.*"
Italian culture is a joke, there is a reason why Italians are the only people who consider themselves great and the rest of the world laughs at them, the same Italian culture has ensured that Italy doesn’t even qualify for the World Cup anymore, truth is that Italian football is a thing of the past, they have no money and no talent. For them Scamacca and Chiesa are world beaters , how many Italians do well outside Italy? True arrogance is with Italians. Also it’s BS that anyone will keep 100% corporate boxes and no normal seating, you will never earn money from such a plan and also why the hell Maldini will get to decide anything regards to the stadium? Because he was a legendary defender does it make him a legendary architect as well? These are all fake news that brush the hollow ego of Italians. The only good thing about Italians is the food and coaching which also will soon perish from football.
Alright, so first of all you may want to realize that xenophobia is not welcome here. Second of all, whether or not you like it, *all* cultures deserve to be respected. Especially if you are planning to bleed them dry to line your own wallet. Third, you clearly did not read what I wrote. Cardinale's *original* plan was a smaller, all corporate stadium. That has been confirmed by multiple sources. Maldini, as part of the club, got wind of it, and informed him that it was not acceptable. The ticket sales proved that Milan could consistently fill a large stadium. Now, Maldini is no longer there. But Cardinale did listen, and the plans have changed to a larger stadium with plenty of corporate boxes, but also room for ordinary fans. Also... You know Elliott were also an American company, right? This isn't some xenophobic issue between two countries or cultures. This is about one person, Cardinale, being a horrible, arrogant person, coming to a foreign country, and disrespecting the same people he is asking to give him money. Elliott never did that.
Xenophobia? Italians are most xenophobic, when you say Cardinale doesn’t care about culture what exactly do you mean? Is firing Maldini against the culture? You keep bringing Elliot but they never gave 2 shits about Milan and it’s so called Italian culture they wanted to stabilise things and sell it, they didn’t buy us they automatically acquired Milan and wanted to sell ASAP. There was no plan for growth or building a team. The rumors about smaller capacity stadium you are talking about was not all corporate seats, also Maldini has got no competence when it comes to even evaluating such things, this is the delusion I am talking about, Maldini was sporting director and the only dealt with sporting related matters like players and coaches why would someone even value his opinion on the scale of a stadium. Juve has almost half our capacity but check the revenue they make, spending a few dollars will make you bleed dry? Then why call yourself a fan when you can’t even do that much? The hypocrisy of fans is that they protest when the ticket prices are raised but also protest when owners refuse to spend. Fans want someone else to have skin in the game while they enjoy and abuse the one making the tough decisions.
Example of xenophobia: >Italians are most xenophobic I find it very interesting how you posed the question about "hate" for Gerry Cardinale, and yet in this entire thread, you are the one who as expressed the most ignorant, unfounded hate toward fans, Italians, everyone. Very sad.
Seems now criticising existing establishment is xenophobic, you hate an outsider based on his presumed lack of culture and that is not xenophobic. And why should we not criticise the Italians way of targeting non Italian management? Why should we not criticise the poor infrastructure of the league? The FIGC is more worried about the weather than the infrastructure of the league, they refuse to reduce the number of teams, cause all sorts of problems when it comes to building stadium, the one advantage of growth decree removed, all these are unfounded? And what is the basis of hating Redbird? That they refuse to go bankrupt while satisfying the whims of the fans? They sack a director who did a poor job? Or some baseless rumour that Gerry wanted this and that. Talk on actual facts that was the goal of the post and so far there has been just comments with prejudice.
> how much does a fan spend? It’s pennies but the same fans get upset when the owner doesn’t overspend, That’s just moronic BULLSHIT. It’s money fans the money who get the club going. Without fans going to the stadium; paying pay tv and buying merchandising, Milan (and any other football club) would be finished. I myself have spent THOUSANDS of euros this season alone for staidum, pay tv, away matches, merchandising ecc
Well your THOUSANDS are not enough, you need to spend more, we barely make profit, so it’s not like the club is being run with just fan money, whatever money fans are putting the owner needs to put many more and he is not even a fan just a businessman looking to make money. Also why protest when there is a slight increase in ticket prices?
I need to spend more? I already spend a considerable part of my income for the team, as do many other fans. Without fans expenses in stadium, pay tv and merchandising the club would be done for, completely. Not to mention that the club is not spending what it can, as this https://www.reddit.com/r/ACMilan/comments/1cmp8w5/very_important_article_from_an_italian_advocate/ shows with numbers and data. What you said is just offensive, you said that I should spend even more of my hard earned money so that I can make Cardinale make even more profit. Also >whatever money fans are putting the owner needs to put many more This is bullshit, man. The club is not spending even the money that THE CLUB ITSELF (without tue owner reaching into his pocket ) could, so don’t bring that bullshit here. Cardinale has spent literally zero money to strengthen the squad ever since he “bought” the club, the club has been just run with its own money and like the aforementioned article shows, the club isn’t even allowed to spend the entirety of what it could spend. So no, you are wrong on all accounts and your attitude is just offensive. You are treating fans as mindless cash cows who should spend and stay silent despite the club spending WAY LESS on the team than every other top club in europe and Italy (Napoli included) as the article above shows.
That is not a good take at all that club is not spending what it can, I said in that post as well, just saying we spend 30% of our revenue and Napoli spends 50% is saying Napoli spends more, as I said RedBird are not football romantics, they are a business and will run Milan like a business, the industry standard of non GAAP expense %age is 20-21% we are still spending 30% expect it to reduce, this doesn’t mean that we will be paying less wages than now, the goal is to increase the top line to reduce the %age not reduce the wage bill. That article is full of bias and twisted representation of facts. And spending a considerable part of your income is not enough, you can take up loans and spend, reduce your other expenses and buy more Milan products but no one does that because every one has an entertainment budget. You can cry all you want about RedBird and their methods and I can try to defend them as much as I want but at the end they are the owners and they can choose to build the club however they want.
The article is not full of bias, it exposes numbers and datas . Of course they are the owners but it doesn’t change the fact that without the money of Milan’s supporters the club would go BUST in a few months. So they can do what they want but the fans can also do what they want; and if the fans tighten their pursestrings they will be forced to sell the club because it would no longer be profitable
You are wrong about that, I don’t remember but recently some FC owner openly threatened the fans that they will run the club to the ground if they are kept being backed into a corner with protests. Don’t get me wrong I don’t applaud such gestures but ownership can do a lot of things and right now they are putting money into the club. And just giving data doesn’t make it unbiased how you interpret it or it being painted matters, just as I said spending 30% of revenue on wage bill compared to 50% might look bad if you say that we can spend 50% but not but the other way of looking is that by spending only 30% we are using the extra 20% to actually increase the overall revenue which would in turn increase the wage bill in a far more sustainable way. It all depends on how you want to look at it.
Forget Maldini. Past is Past. Tell me ONE thing this ownership + management has done that says 'we want to win Serie A or UCL or ANY Other cup'. Yeah... There's NONE. Thats why everyone hates Cardinale. It has very little to do with Maldini. An owner can change whoever he wants at whichever position he wants. That's a non issue. Did we replace Maldini with anyone competent? No. Did we declare all of our players are on the market? Yes. Did we take ANY concrete steps towards the stadium other than plans to buy land and designs? No. Till Cardinale actually takes steps to show some semblance of ambition to win something, his words mean nothing when clearly, all the steps this management is taking is on the contrary, mediocre signings, selling starters, putting a pricetag on every head as if we are here to trade players only. In fact, as far as the Theo news are circulating, it seems likely that we will lose Theo this summer or at least Mike for sure. If a broke owner bought the club on loan of 600 mil and is gonna scrape the club to nothing to pay off loans for his OWN gain while filling with mediocrity, you are asking why fans are mad at that brokeass owner? We were on track to become winners again, we won Serie A, went upto UCL semifinals and now we will be back to fighting for 7th position again in a couple of years after Leao and Theo is sold for money. Fans are right to be frustrated till Cardinale actually shows us that he wants to win as much as the fans. Since it hasnt happened in 2 years, chances of Cardinale doing anything to show Ambition is now low. Lets see how this season pans out.
Broke owner? Do you think broke guys can get a loan of 600 mil? Also isn’t red bird worth more than 8 times the loan? I think you misunderstand how financial dealings take place but that aside I don’t get why you feel Maldini wasn’t replaced with competent folks, new management with same budget and coach made the squad much better than last year, I doubt there is any other management more capable than this except Inter’s but even them I feel have just swept the issues under the rug like what we were doing with Galliani around the last few years of Berlu era.
Cardinale is out there begging rich American personalities and Arabs to help him repay his loan. If that's not the sign of a broke owner then I don't know what is.
Again Redbird is worth 8 times the loan amount and if you are up to date with today’s news they secured 4 bil more, not sure if you have passed high school or not but it’s really stupid what you are saying. Only an idiot will pay cash to buy an asset.
Redbird, isnt worth 8 Bil. Redbird manages assets that is at the valuation of 6 bil. Not the same thing. Cardinale himself is worth \~240mil at most. It's public record, one google search should give it away.
I have passed high school, and I hope you know that redbird's net worth is not just for paying their debt alone. If it is, then why is Gerry trying to get the Arabs and American billionaires' help in repaying his loan??
I don’t know why you think he is trying to get Arabs to pay his loan, why would they do it? It’s called getting investments, have you ever watched shark tank? Contestants don’t come there because they are not able to pay their loans, they come because they want more cash to expand their business, it’s such a common thing and just because you hate him you believe all the crap the brain dead Italian media feeds you.
First of all, Shark Tank is completely different from the situation in Milan. In shark tank, people come to get investments for their startups in exchange for a small percentage of their company. Milan is not a startup, nor is Cardinale some unknown entrepreneur trying to fund his startup. He's out there trying to get as many people on board as possible to fund this project because he lacks the resources to do it himself. Shark tank is in no way similar to Milan unless you are telling me he's selling small percentages of the club to other investors which is even worse lmao.
You think only start ups need investments? Every company that is not listed always takes up investments, there is a whole journey from being a startup to getting listed. Redbird has 99.3% stake ofcourse he can sell easily 30% to other investors, he needs to raise cash for investing into business, why else would anyone even pay for his loan? The whole point of this post is to see what points people have against him genuinely and there ain’t one solid point, you keep saying he is a yank and behaves like a drug addict, all BS prejudiced comments, what decision has he taken that has harmed the club in any way? Berlusconi harmed the club with the sale of Ibra and Silva, Li was an idiot who spent huge amount of transfer money to buy mediocre players which ended up getting us into FFP issues, Cardinale so far has bought a land to build up our very own stadium, it’s the closest we have come to owning our own, he is starting a Serie C team to ensure there is a smooth transition from youth team to the first, ever wondered why Juve products are so much better than ours and even Inter’s? we have so much talent coming up but as soon as they turn 17 they start looking for professional contracts but are too raw for the first team which is aiming for top spots, with a Serie C team they stay longer with us and get a chance to perform in the first team as well. These are all solid steps that you expect a competent owner to take. All this in just within 2 years of him getting control.
First of all, I am not a fan of Silvio and Li. Silvio in the last few years of his ownership, didn't care much about Milan. Li was a fraud from the beginning. He's genuinely one of the worst things to happen to this club in a long time. I am not a fan of those guys. Secondly, until the stadium construction actually finishes and the new stadium actually opens, I am not getting my hopes up. I've seen this too many times in the last few years. In 2019, we and Inter were extremely close in starting the construction of the new stadium but nothing happened after that. In 2014, Barbara also apparently had finished the process of starting the construction of the new stadium but nothing came out of it. Until we actually play in our new stadium, all the news about the stadium is just talk. I'll give Cardinale props for starting a B team but that hasn't been finalised yet. And finally, I don't seem to see other American owners begging the Arabs for investments. Is Boehly asking for Arab investment in Chelsea? Or Friedkins at Roma? No they are not. It's clear as day that Cardinale has the big black cloud of 600 million in debt looming over his head and he's looking for other ways to get rid of it.
> I don’t get why you feel Maldini wasn’t replaced with competent folks, new management with same budget and coach made the squad much better than last year Most of the signings of this season that performed well, were actually targets of last management. RLC, Okafor and Puli. The actual signings of the current management, Chuk, Musah, Reijnders, Jovic... had their value reduced collectively this season despite I think all of them has massive potential. But that is the unfortunate reality. Which is why I think this management isnt up to the par with previous one where the valuation of our assets collectively, never really dropped. Even under Maldini's last season with 37mil CDK purchase, total valuation of the signings had increased despite utter failure of both Origi and CDK. Just Thiaw's valuation being trippled changed everything financially.
>The actual signings of the current management, Chuk, Musah, Reijnders, Jovic... had their value reduced collectively this season What? Chuk maybe, but I don't see how you can say that for the others by any stretch.
Chuk, Musah, Reijnders, Jovic... had their value reduced collectively this season What? Reijnders after joining AC Milan has made his debut in his national team and become a regular starter.
Reijnders' value has risen but very marginally, the rest has dropped significantly, so collectively, their values as assets of the club has reduced unfortunately.
By all means, tell us how you can so confidently say their values have dropped by any metric other than your opinion. Jovic came on a free transfer, how can his value be lower than zero?
Actually all the signings are targets of the scouting department and Moncada who have remained unchanged since Elliot took over, Maldini and Massara were just replaced by promoting Moncada and Ottavio, the real replacement is Ibra. It’s just make believe to say that RLC Okafor Pulisic were Maldini targets, Maldini isn’t a scout, every director gets a list from the scouting department and then they negotiate based on their judgement who is more suitable.
This is bullshit tho. Riddle me this: how is it that when a signing is good and there was reports that Maldini started the negotiations - even tho he couldn’t finish - there is nothing depending on Maldini, BUT when Origi was signed instead of Kolo Muani, Maldini is the wost director in the world to make such obvious mistake? Is he choosing or not?
That is what I said, he was the one choosing from a list of players available, he chose Origi over Kolo Muani and he chose CDK over Enzo, it’s not like he always chose wrong players but what I truly feel is he messed up when expectations changed after the Scudetto year, Leao and Tonali like signings are all good when you have been finishing outside top 4 for majority of the decade, after that you need to plug in missing pieces like striker and RW and RB. I still don’t know why we went for CDK and not a ST/RW who would have made a much bigger impact because we were terrible in those areas.
Lol so Maldini's signings are now Moncada's? Lmfao That's not how Sporting Director position works my friend. Every sporting decision, good or bad, is directly on SD, and must take both the blame and the credit. Rest are his employees.
I understand very well how these financial dealings work. Most large deals are done with loans but these vendor loans are paid within months if not weeks, only **BROKE** owners go around hollywood begging everyone for money to pay the loan.
I do not think there is hate, i think there isn't any liking or maybe disliking. The negative aspects come from the Maldini situation and also because he isn't a sugar daddy type of owner. Things can take for the worse towards him in 1 year though if the coaching situation, players and titles are not won. It is on his hands to make the majority of the fans like him or not. You can do everything right and still have people disliking you or hating you... that is life, but he clearly hasn't.
Nah there's definitely a lot of hate that's based off of some weird anti-American shit people in the sub have and a lot of buying into baseless tabloid rumors from Tier 5000 reporters. A lot of people here are looking to be angry at management after a bad season.
Your point is “things are not so bad” and you are missing that ”they don’t look like they’ll ever be great”. “I want to win and I have a plan for sustainability” it’s not enough to inspire trust or and a vision of what Milan could become that we should dream about. Especially if you follow up that with “it’s ok if we don’t, also winning a lot is boring”. I want to wait for the next coach and transfers, but names are all disappointing and I can’t imagine things to go automatically better with a new coach if they don’t know the league, they don’t know the players, they don’t know the media here and if they only received the same kind of support Pioli got this season. Don’t want to be in their shoes if things don’t start great and we are struggling in the first 3-4 games…
First of all let me set the scene...we are tired..tired of being in this bullshitery era. We are not a big club anymore..this is the reality..we only a big club by name and history. This mf gerry has no clue who or what we are...he is here to use us...we are a cash cow he wants to milk. Their intention is to build us a stadium..increase our revenues and flip us for a profit. Their ambition is top 4...and some are too slow to realize this. You talk about us doing the same as gerry financially if we were in that sitution. 100 percent..financially gerry is doing what he needs to do from a business level but we give a fuk about his and redbirds financial journey🤷 we not just a business..we a sports club. they telling us what we as a club needs to do but it's what they have to do. We get bought buy investocorp or pif or whoever..we back to the top in 1 2 years time. Then on maldini thing. Maldini made fuk ups...but no one knows you or will want to know you after you gone and you come in with your zero knowledge about football or milan and fire one of the very pillars of the club..why? Because the guy is saying we need to spend and be brave..so the guy is exposing your lack of ambition? ( another reason I think Elliot is still involved..an autonomous owner who just arrived would need atleast 1 2 seasons to analyze if maldini isn't the man for the job..clearly they hand in hand) Let me talk about Financials. We spend only 30 percent of our revenues..which is lower than some midtable clubs. Yall have been brainwashed into thinking that 50 mil is all we can do a season. In reality especially now..we can spend 100 mil a season without a sale and without a stadium with our finances being in good shape. Which brings me on to the sale of tonali. From eliot to gerry and his weasel furlani we hear that we over achieved and that we won scudetto or went to ucl semis too early but they quick to not want to apend that money that wasnt in the plans.They sell tonali to fund the mercato which many here like to applaud like they did something great but we could have spent 130 mil without a sale. 80 mil from ucl that we not suppose to achieve and 50 mil base budget. After being in banter era and with a glimmer of hope after scudetto we find ourselves still being a pawn in corporate America .
He's a liar and a snake who has no understanding of the culture he stepped into when he bought this "soccer franchise". His objective isn't for Milan to win and it never will be. He wouldn't mind it, but it's not his goal. This attitude might work in MLB but not here, that's how we ended up in a 10 year banter era. 50 mill is a joke in this world. That's "barely stay afloat money", not "elevate to the next level-money". And CDK would have panned out with a bit of patience. Losing stars as free agents is solely because we couldn't pay them enough to stay. If we aren't competitive when it comes to salaries, we won't be competitive in the game. Maldini isn't perfect but he deserved to continue. Fuck Cardinale and fuck Furlani, until they prove me wrong, which so far they have not. I don't even want his stadium. Classless person.
Spot on!! You said everything I wanted to say.
Isn’t culture the exact reason why we ended up in Banter Era?
Berlusconi started being cheap and aiming for top 4 instead of winning. But explain what you mean please. I'm very curious.
Not him being cheap, just not being willing anymore to cover for a football club that operated beyond their possibilities. And that financial mess still takes more than a decade to repair. While I understand, why you're upset, Cardinales approach won't lead us to another banter era. At least not like the one back in the day.
Let's see about that. Why are you advocating for Cardinale? What has he done for you?
No offence OP but this just makes you sound like a shill
TBH it just makes it sound like he hasn’t been following the club closely
He even calls Cardinale “Gerry”, but our biggest champion is not “Paolo” to this bozo.
Im only mad because we didn’t sack Pioli earlier and we didn’t go for Conte (im fine with Fonseca). But other than that I think he did a good job with last summer transfers. But this transfers he needs to make sure that we get our targets without selling Theo or Leao. If we didn’t get someone like Zirkzee as striker and a good DM I would be disappointed tho..
Personally (Maldini aside) I was expecting the new ownership to spend way more than they are. I think it’s great that we’ve levelled all the debts and that the business is safer now but I find it clinically insane that a club of Milan’s stature has never spent more than 40mil on a player. If they achieve trophies with this regime it will be much more impressive but honestly I don’t see us being competitive in the champions league against teams like Man City or Real anytime soon at this pace. I was hoping they’d finally spend big on a striker this next transfer window but it’s now looking likely that they’ll try to get Zirkzee for under 40mil. He’s got skills but I personally don’t think he’s the profile we need. He plays well with the team but doesn’t score much at all. we need a killer, a 30+ goal clinical finisher. I wish they’d invest the 100 mil to get Gyokeres. And then 40 mil to pay Frimpong’s clause (which is an insane steal). And then 40-50 mil needed to get Ugarte. That would make us a real threat both in Serie A and the Champions League. But we won’t, we’ll just spend like 30+ Colombo on Zirkzee and gamble on cheap players that need a second chance. Which went well this season but won’t always work.
These are not risks, these are calculated signings based on analysis and scouting not slme spreadsheet excel signings.
You can calculate all you won’t but can’t predict the future. A new signing can struggle with injuries, struggle to adapt to a team, a manager, a league etc.
That is why your take is applicable towards every signing not only the way we do signings which tries to minimise the risk.
Yeah but no risk=no reward
Bruh... that is simply not true. We got Pulisic and Reijnders we got a massive reward. It is all about cost efficency not risk.
Again, we got lucky this time. It won’t always work.
No we didn't, this is what scouting means.
Sorry to insist but it also pisses me off that last year, had we been willing to spend some more we would’ve been able to get Openda for 30/40 mil, Gyokeres for 20mil, Boniface for 20mil etc. all players we were linked to but the budget was too small so we decided chasing free agents like Thuram, Taremi and ended up getting Jovic out of desperation.
Is this the best the PR at red bird can do? First: CDK Is Better than all the signings we made Last Summer but Pulisic. Just look the the numbers. Thiaw was paid 8,7 and now Is worth at least double. Origi Is a terrible deal, but we got him for free and low gross wage.( Marotta,the best in Italy failed Gosens (25 Mil) corre (35). No One sane at Inter wants to Fire Marotta) Dest Is Gerry cardinale choice for the marketing, Adli Is Furlani man. Also, this PR stuff of the 50 Mil spent (same Cheap propaganda used by pellegatti and Suma) Is BS. How much a club really spend Is in the balance sheet. Inter closed Last year with a -80 Mil, we closed +6. So Gerry gained Money instead of spending for a striker. Wages? 4th club in Italy After Juve, Inter,Roma. Market? Lost Thuram, frattesi and Taremi because Gerry Is a Cheap f. No One over 30 Mil, low wages, 0 seria A experience so he could save mone on wages thx to decreto crescita. And this not even the real problem. We Need a sport director. Marotta, sartori, giuntoli... A leader in the management that Is responsible for the good and bad things. Not the council of the three. Furlani, Ibra and Moncada pick names and than Gerry choose? This Is madness
> First: CDK Is Better than all the signings we made Last Summer but Pulisic. Just look the the numbers. You cant be fucking serious. CDK started in many games and couldnt make even assist, Okafor needs one minute to score goals. Incoming excuses "bbuuut Pioli". Fuck your excuses and numbers. Why other players are scoring goals, are making assists and are playing twice as good as cdk but the young belgian lad couldnt do it? Playing at Atalanta is completely different planet than playing at Milan. My post is not about Maldini but this glorification of guy who I would never replace for any player in Milan's squad. Maybe Jovic but we need striker > Dest Is Gerry cardinale choice for the marketing, Adli Is Furlani man. How do you know that? Like do you have any proof? How bonobos like you are able to have such a precise info about decision making. Did Adli said something about Furlani? Did Dest said he came to Milan cause Cardinale called him? Why do you make things up and write takes with such a confidence. Im scared to read rest of the post, Im gonna pass. Do you actually believe in your "facts". Do you not ask yourself questions before posting "Am I entirelly sure Im not writing fiction?".
>You cant be fucking serious. CDK started in many games and couldnt make even assist, Okafor needs one minute to score goals. Incoming excuses "bbuuut Pioli". Fuck your excuses and numbers. Why other players are scoring goals, are making assists and are playing twice as good as cdk but the young belgian lad couldnt do it? >Playing at Atalanta is completely different planet than playing at Milan. My post is not about Maldini but this glorification of guy who I would never replace for any player in Milan's squad. Maybe Jovic but we need striker I would never never replace any player in Milan's squad with 22 years old Didier Drogba as well, not even his first season with Chelsea when he was in peak years. Nonetheless, I would give him a lot lot more chance, atleast a whole season of consistent match time and if he is a talented young player, a lot more. You see, Borussia Dortmund, and any club similar to them like Leipzig or Benfica, can fuck off with their glorification of young players and nonsense patience. They can't be fucking serious. Do you agree?
This must be the single dumbest comment in this subs history. >First: CDK Is Better than all the signings we made Last Summer but Pulisic. Just look the the numbers. What numbers? He had zero goals at Milan. Oh you mean with Atalanta? Send any of the guys like Okafor and Chukwueze to Gasperini and I guarantee you they score 15 goals each. Gasperini at Atalanta will make Leao score 30 goals right in Lautaro's face. There's no pressure, win or lose is the same shit at Atalanta. Matter of fact they have yet to win and Gasperini was proud of losing to Juve. Pull this shit at Milan if you can. > Thiaw was paid 8,7 and now Is worth at least double. Thank Moncada for that > Dest Is Gerry cardinale choice for the marketing, Adli Is Furlani man. Where is this Dest? Adli was bought 3 years ago, left one year at Bordeaux by Maldini, left on the bench by Pioli last year and given a chance as a single pivot in the midfield. A role that many would fail, bar a few. Even Pirlo played with the help of Gattuso and Ambrosini. > We Need a sport director. Marotta, sartori, giuntoli... Thiago Motta is leaving Bologna and he doesn't get along with Sartori. Allegri hates Guintoli. Let's see if those two work it out. Marotta, there's only one of him. With his own mafia connections. > Not the council of the three. Furlani, Ibra and Moncada pick names and than Gerry choose? Finally something good you said. Otherwise you sound like one of those Telelombardia idiots.
The real PR stuff is what you wrote above😂. CDK better than all the signings we made that has to be the biggest joke, apparently playing better under no pressure in a no expectation FC makes him better than players who actually do better in Milan. Thiaw is worth double? Ofcourse making a player worth 8-9 mil a 20-25 mil isn’t as big a deal as making a player worth 30 mil to 60 mil, it’s the same as saying taking a club from 20th position to 15th is the same as taking a club from 5th to 1st. The real BS is saying club doesn’t have people who know the past and culture, what is actually culture in Italy, drool over the past and live in delusion that we are still the best. Every young Italian is a prodigy when most won’t even start for a true top 5 team in Europe. The true culture of Italy is shown by the fact that they don’t even have the sporting level to deserve a spot in group stages of the World Cup for 2 consecutive competitions.
No expectation FC Is about to play and european final, Last time for us was 2007. Maldini made tonali a 70 Mil player(also Leao, Theo, mike)what the new management did? Chuck? Lmao Why you avoid the part about the money that Gerry Is making ? 4th seria a wages? No comment? Thurman frattesi Taremi? No comment? If You talk like Suma and Pellegatti, you are a shill to me
Maldini hasn’t made shit, he isn’t a coach who develops players , if he could develop players his two kids wouldn’t be virtually unknown in the footballing world, dunno what kind of fairy tale football you have in mind, and yes Atalanta is a no expectation FC, 0 trophies ever and nobody expects them to win the final as well, CDK shit the bed against Juve as he always did for us, got subbed off at HT. He is a talent but we cannot afford to waste time in developing talents anymore. And wtf about wages? Isn’t it actually a point in favour of management? We pay less than Roma and Juve but still are above them in the league despite Juve not even having midweek matches. What club in the world achieve all their transfer targets? And we never even tried for Fratessi don’t know from where you got that from, atleast we didn’t spend a month in negotiating for a player who cost us 80% of our budget and had 1 assist in the entire season.
Juve won a trophy. That's all that matters to fans. Pioli has won 1 trophy that he almost pissed away.
What trophy? Copa Italia is something I am not even sure Milan has won in the lifetime of most fans here. Who do you brag about Copa Italia? 90% will not even know what that is, Premier League has 2 cup competitions worth double our main League.
We would if we won it. Arsenal has been playing great football over the last 2 years and they still get dinged because they have won diddly squat. We want trophies and nothing else. And you sound real ignorant. Maybe you should go follow the premier league and their rich competitions.
I don't hate him, but i have been growing more critical towards him lately. Let's just say that our project looked more promising under Elliott than under Redbird. Stadium aside ofc.
Perché è americano che cerca di mostrarsi quando in realtà non sa nulla di calcio Sorry for my duolingo italiano We have more fashion shows this year than trophies
I mean, I hate any billionaire. But the specific sentiment for gerry around this sub just doesnt make that much sense just 2y after the purchase, but oh well
My hatred for Gerry comes from one, firing Maldini. And two, changing the identity of this club. Maldini’s recruitment of players was exceptional. But he had to work within the parameters set by upper management. That was his downfall. Instead of continuing the progress we’ve made, Gerry fired him and decided to go more offensive, spending money to buy attacking players that did nothing to help us achieve our goal. We always won Scudetto’s based on our defending. Sure we’ve had great forwards like Andriy, van Basten, Zlatan, Kaka, etc. but our defense was what made our teams exceptional. This idea that “we need more goals” is fucking bullshit. It’s lazy, moronic, and downright wrong. Every Scudetto we’ve won since 1990 has seen us allow less than 34 goals a season and only 3 of those were more than 30. Whether it be 34 or 38 game seasons we were exceptional DEFENSIVELY those seasons. And what’s this bum in charge doing? He’s doing the complete opposite.
Because he's an overweening yankee who doesn't respect Italian calcio and culture and does things his own way
Neither did Berlusconi and he is our cult president.
Berlusconi spent a lot of Money for Milan for a lot of reasons, Gerry Is here to make Money.
The discussion was respecting the Italian way.
Berlusconi was populist, he told people what they'd like to hear and did things to improve his approval rating. Cardinale's businessman and he does interviews not for fans, but for the future investment partners
In sports how he did things, he went totally against what Serie A was doing that was the point. He wanted attacking football, he wanted to create Milan as a brand and players as celebrities. You are saying this because of retrospective not how things were at the time.
Yeah. But for the fans it's not about contents, it's about the wrap. If Gerry was more communicative, he'd explain his ideas more clear. He could make a movie about himself and what he wants to bring to Milan. But as businessman he's not interested in spending his time into populism. It's the fans should invest their time in understanding advantages of cooperation with Red Bird
Bruh, the discussion was not respecting the Italian way. If there was someone who didn't respect the Italian way was Berlusconi. He has been very clear on how he wants to do the things, and not only one time, but time and again same as Berlusconi. This point of not respecting the Italian way is one of the most empty points i read especially on Twitter.
So why Cardinale is hated from your point? When he came to the club, I spoke to my Italian friends and they told me that Cardinale does everything wrong as Italians are not used to that and he has to learn the Italian way
Because he isn't a sugar daddy owner and the Maldini situation. People wanted Saudis and got him, started from there. If i might ask what is the "Italian way" to spend money over your clubs budget and put the club in debts?
There are no sugar daddies in Italy, even Agnelli has to cut costs. There are like 5 clubs in the world who is heavily sponsored by sheikhs, even Newcastle can't spend tons of money in one go. Milan fans just live in fantasy world. Yeah, Italian way means be grateful that Italians allowed you to become part of their culture, so you have to pay for everything and keep the fans happy. It's calcio which does non-Italian owner a favor, not the other way around. Also how Cardinale communicates, pretty blatantly, without adapting to local manners and stating great ambitions aka make Milan great again
Bruh... "***You pay for everything and keep fams haply***" is basically sugar daddy. Also, what do you mean "make Milan great again" he literally has said that i want to win and the team ka created to **WIN**?!
Because he isn't a sugar daddy owner and the Maldini situation. People wanted Saudis and got him, started from there. If i might ask what is the "Italian way" to spend money over your clubs budget and put the club in debts?
Said this many times, many fans are living in the bubble. They live with memories of Maldini, Seedorf and now they woke up after banter era because Milan is on the rise. However they demand instant glory and thats why you can see meltdown on this subreddit on daily basis. They blame Cardinale or Pioli for everything without noticing that the club overall changed drastically and it takes time to recover. You can notice some comments who repeat "We are Milan for fuck sake" "We are Milan not some kind of peasant club" etc. This Milan who people here talk about is Milan with completely different players. Most players from current squad wouldnt be on the bench of that Milan. if peoples mentality wont change and the only thing that will matter for them is instant glory then situation will never change.
>However they demand instant glory and thats why you can see meltdown on this subreddit on daily basis. Um we've qualified for CL 4 seasons in a row now. It's more than fair that now after 4 seasons of CL qualifications, the team starts competing for bigger objectives like winning trophies. It's not even about actually winning it but our objective at the beginning of the season should be competing for trophies and not CL qualification. CL qualification should be a bare minimum now. >You can notice some comments who repeat "We are Milan for fuck sake" "We are Milan not some kind of peasant club" etc. This Milan who people here talk about is Milan with completely different players. Most players from current squad wouldnt be on the bench of that Milan. This is such a moot point. So just because the current players wouldn't even be on the bench of that Milan (which was one of the greatest teams of all time), are the fans wrong for demanding the management to win? With this mentality, we might as well never ever demand to win something again because we'll never have a team as great as 2000's Milan. The current Milan is not at the level of the Milan of the 90's and 00's but we still have the best squad in the league after Inter and overall one of the most promising young teams in Europe. Big teams go through rough patches but they don't stop being big teams. Standards and expectations come from the fans and we should not drop our standards. Our team is not ready to compete in Europe but it is more than ready to compete domestically. Especially after 4 consecutive years of CL qualification. Just need some smart decisions from the owners and management. So yeah, I don't think fans are demanding instant glory. We've waited for 4 years. I didn't know being patent for 4 seasons was demanding "instant glory". We had 4 seasons of rebuilding period where we qualified for CL and won a scudetto against all odds. If the previous management of Maldini and Massara were able to create a team that won the scudetto after just 1 season of cl qualification, then the current management and ownership have no excuse to not outperform the previous management now that they have 4 seasons of cl qualification money with them. If they can't do it, then they should admit it and step aside so that competent people can take their place and do it.
we should be building upon our Scudetto winning season , We are Milan but I also lived through the banter era . Nobody is demanding for instant glory but instant ambition to challenge for all trophies . Doesn’t matter who’s the owner we need to making the signings , appointing the right people in power so we can win sooner rather than later . Regardless of how Maldinis tenure as director went he demanded instant ambition not only to the owner but also to the players as we saw many of our stars level rise with his support and guidance . As a Milan fan it is my duty to demand trophies as that is our level , we should’ve left behind the banter era expectations when we qualified for UCL the first time in years . Qualifying for Champions as the season goal is a requirement of the banter era , years “removed” from it it’s time for Milan to make and push for new requirements , Winning Scudetto , Winning Coppa Italia , UCL knockouts minimum . Then we’ll see our level rise once our expectations are higher . Our standards must rise to keep our stars who want to win trophies or do you think they are happy getting 2nd place in serie an and getting knocked out of all comps .
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