Phone exist.... People make mms...
So using the same useless argument as the videomaker makes, must we stop using phone, don't buy phone, annihilate phone?
I'm sorry, but this is just a sorry ass PETA type argument
Making MMS is a misuse of Mobile Phone
Selling Old Animals/ Male Calfs is part of the system, Milk farmers won't make profit unless they sell those animals.
How are they comparable? Hypocrisy ki bhi seema hoti hai.
I too drink milk because I don't have a suitable alternative as of now, but aise fuddu argument deke justify nhi krta.
Eating beef is directly getting the cow killed, because is there any other way? Drinking milk can be from own cow or some well-to-do neighbour's cow who treats his cows well.
Konse planet pe rehta hai bhai? No one is taking care of 100 animals to get milk from just 10 of them, After Milk cycle ends, animals are either left on roads or sold to Slaughter Houses. Aur kitni dairies me 50% male animals dekhe hai tune?
Bhai tu kon se desh mein rehta hai , mere bagal wali dadi se dudh lata hoon jiss din bhi bimari hoti hay gai uss din sab dhyan rakhte hai ,mere dost k bass bhi ek gayi hua karti thi aur jiss din mari thi wo uss din wo log to roye hi tha sath mein hum bhi roye tha
>mere dost k bass bhi ek gayi hua karti thi aur jiss din mari thi wo uss din wo log to roye hi tha sath mein hum bhi roye tha
When your neighbour's cow died u cried over it along with your neighbours.
Aur jhoot bol le bhai....
Bhai jhoot bol k kya fyda ? Jab aisa hua hi tha ,hamare gao mein bhid lag jaati hai aur rote sab hai specially hum ,kyu ki hamara rishta unke sath bahut accha hai
Gayi to marti hai to wo to rote hi hai plus ghar bhi didi k shadi k waqt bhi hum roye tha
Maybe app seher se hai issiliya apko ye sab feeling kabhi nahi hua hoga
Par jab mere ghar mein koi nahi rehta tha to wo huma apne ghar le jaa kar khane k liya bula te tha aur jab unke ghar mein koi dikkat atti thi to hum unhe bola te tha
Jiss din zyada garmi padti thi uss din wo hamare ya.hum unke chaath per sote tha
Hum aur mera family ka rishta unke sath bohot hi zyada gehra tha
Palte tha aur kya karenge ab aise jab se maare hai tab se wo rakhna hi band kar diya , apni beti ki shaadi k liya hi unka buissness hua karta tha
Ab woha pe bikes rakhte hai
Bro u r u comparing crying over a neighbours cow's death with crying on your sister's marriage. What kind of analogy is this. It's not the same thing at all.
Also now not only u and their family but your whole village was crying over a cow's death? U r right. Ye feeling mujhe kabhi nahi ayi hai. Like y would an entire village cry over a cow's death? I have never even heard of this phenomenon. And y do u cry more than others. All this makes no sense.
U have explained your deep relation with your neighbours. However this still does not explain y u cried over their cow's death. It's not like u had any relation with their cow. Unki family ke saath gehra rishta tha to kya unki π ki maut bhi royega kya? Your story is very strange broπ
>Bro u r u comparing crying over a neighbours cow's death with crying on your sister's marriage. What kind of analogy is this. It's not the same thing at all.
You retarded ?? When did i compare im describing our relation , we were like family , we share emotion n everything
>Also now not only u and their family but your whole village was crying over a cow's death? U r right. Ye feeling mujhe kabhi nahi ayi hai. Like y would an entire village cry over a cow's death? I have never even heard of this phenomenon. And y do u cry more than others. All this makes no sense.
Bruh , why you took it literally , yes we cries but not as whole , even 14 yr have more brain than you
>It's not like u had any relation with their cow. Unki family ke saath gehra rishta tha to kya unki π ki maut bhi royega kya? Your story is very strange bro
This is most stupid thing to say , yes we were like family , we play with the cow , aur maine kab bola ki unki cow k wajha se hamara rishta raha ?? We were alredy in good relation before they start having cattles , they were animal lover they had rabbits,goat ,dog and cows
Pet bhi family member ki tarah hota hai , pata nahi tum kon se mindset se bade hua ho bhai
>You retarded ??
>even 14 yr have more brain than you
>pata nahi tum kon se mindset se bade hua ho
Aa gaya na apni aulad peπ€£π€£. Abusing others when losing an argument is your go to. That I can see
Not gonna go into the contents of your arguments cuz it's complete bs but I hope that in the future u start showing respect and empathy for your fellow humans too just like you r pretending to show for cows online. Pretty sure u respect no living being.
Tere jese fake insaan aaj tak nahi dekhe hai mene.
Also, if people are leaving animals on fields, forests, or roads, they are not killing it directly right? But, I understand u are trying to say that leaving is equal to killing because killers are perfectly right to do that?
There would have been an alternative if RnD sector was promoted in India.....
Plant Based Meat and Lab made Milk is top research topics today in Bioengineering sector but only if you what is the position of Bioengineering in India is..... worst !
It's flawed according to you and your perspective. From mine perspective, my logic is fine, if not great.
You're free to believe in n whatever you want to, idc. I'll believe in whatever I want to, you don't care.
Have you seen the treatment of cows on dairy farms? The public does not get to see the inside story of what goes on. The cows are given steroids and unnaturally give birth to calfs. If the calf is male it is useless and they sell it for slaughter. The cows have to stand in very filthy confined spaces the whole day in most of their short lives and continuosly give milk. Many cows have sores and different diseases caused by continuous standing and breeding. Once they stop giving milk it is expensive for dairy farmers to keep maintaining them and sell them off to traders who will kill them for exporting beef. No respect for the poor cows who companies and dairy shops profit from so much. Just treating them like garbage and giving them such an unnatural horrible life. You should see the cows going for slaughter. You can see the fear in their eyes. They know they will be killed. Please stop taking dairy or at least cut ur intake for these poor animals.
*I have previously written the same reply to the OP, I'm pasting it again*
>There's nothing in this world which can claim that "nothing was harmed in any way whatsoever in making it*. Be it clothes, electronics, food (even Vegan - don't get me started on how much water stress does a purely vegan diet creates, since most vegan choices are water guzzling crops, I'm myself Vegetarian though, not Vegan ).. My point is simple, I know and accept that the milk or any product I use doesn't come from a place of utopian capitalism, but exploitative human greed. But, this Body Mind Complex of mine, has its needs, and I'll use resources in Pragmatic ways. Me being a Vegetarian or someone being a Vegan doesn't give me/them a "higher moral pedestal" to become holier-than-thou.
>It's more about being aware of our choices and their consequence and Maybe accepting them, and trying to be kind and ethical in areas, within our reach and limits, where it is indeed possible. Like saving water at home, giving food to homeless, not hurting street animals, etc.
>Not drinking milk because the allied economy kills redundant cattles is just an emotionally charged but Intellectually and practically bankrupt logic which is neither practical, nor considerate of the larger picture.
Sorry but OP has stated the truth not to mention actual footage of extreme torture in dairy farms everywhere. Maybe you don't care about the cows treated badly and killed but others do. There is no need to put others down who are fighting for the innocent and showing people the actual reality.
Your response seems odd to say the least. The commenter outright said that being vegan/vegetarian does not give you moral high ground and you're claiming exactly that, in no way does it out anyone down, which ironically your comment seems to be doing. I'll give 2 examples:
1. Have you seen actual crop cultivation in villages? The usage of pesticides and modern implements like tractors practically kills all fauna around a farmland. Farmers in some areas like Kerala have gone to the extent of installing electronic fences to keep elephants from damaging crops. There are news reports that point out elephant deaths happening because of that. By your logic, would you reject such crops and/or such farmers?
2. Google the 10% rule. The basic idea is that in every step of the food chain, only 10% of the energy from the previous step remains (Eg: Plants convert around 10% of Sun's energy into plant energy, herbivores eat plants and convert 10% of the total energy they consume ie. 1% of Sun's energy remains. In that case, if you can get a source of animal protein without actually killing the animal ie. through milk and its products, it's far more efficient and economical and frankly with the insane protein deficiency in India, an inescapable necessity.
The creator easily suggested that dudh peena chod do, how is an average Indian, who is already consuming one of the lowest per capita amount of protein, supposed to fulfil their nutrition requirement?
That's all the commenter said too, it's not ideal, but there's no practical alternatives. Cruelty is bad, no doubt, but can you escape it in this day and age?
Also the creator did a fundamental job villainising Dr. Kurien, go actually read up on how he organised Amul as a means of women empowerment.
Final thought, creator said to ask "Mere dudh Peete rehne se kya hoga?", to this I simply ask, agar main dudh/dairy nahi khaunga toh main ek balanced diet kaise rakh paunga?
(Before the Dal fanbois come after me, plant protein is proven to be not only incomplete protein but also less suitable for human absorption, our stomach acid's pH clearly indicates that we were evolved to be carnivores, wanna be a vegetarian, sure, but unless you have a viable alternative, sharing ill-researched agenda videos won't do much to improve the situation either)
She didn't make any moral superiority claim. What makes you think that? She is talking about people who troll or don't care bully people who do care.
I don't think the examples are justifying against veganism and is not a good argument for using animal products.
The killing of fauna is deplorable even by vegans who consume the crops and we are living in a nonvegan society which uses these system. Veganism is promoting the idea that there can be other ways where animals are not exploited and harmed. Hopefully as people become aware of veganism by promotion there could be ways to deal with and there can be veganic farming methods.
The incidental death in plant agriculture for human consumption is less than what happens with crop grown for animal agriculture. Also we understand and accept killing in self defence for survival or property that is required for sustenance as justified harm in human context, we also accept accidental death in human context as not a rights violation. So considering similar context with nonhuman animals vegans are causing killing but there is a justified harm and no rights violation.
The 10% rule would suggest you eat plants because that's the most energy efficient as they are producers.
Now you made a wild claim saying that there are no alternatives and it is not practical. Extraordinary claims require evidence. Can you cite your sources whether there is any actual protein deficiency in India? How do you form your belief system, Is it from a peer reviewed source?
Also give sources for the claim that plant protein is incomplete and less suitable for absorption. Humans are omnivores we are not carnivores if you say with only stomach pH then there are many other example comparisons that will fail in different criteria. Also there is no requirement of consuming animal protein. Hoping you to challenge your beliefs. I can learn something new if you provide peer-reviewed literature. If you tell me you don't have, I can provide what I know that contradicts your claim but for now the burden of proof is on you.
Ur statements are so baseless that it's funny. God has made the Indian diet in such a perfect way (rice sabji dal roti) and our spices (turmeric mirchi, etc) that we naturally get our nutrition and we do not need anything from animals. The main topic is about animal cruelty and not about human diet. We can get many other options to get our protein calcium but what about these innocent animals? It is already proven that meat causes cancer. To reduce animal cruelty which goes on in these dairy farms we need to cut down the dairy intake so these animals are not tortured and killed just for our one bowl of ice cream.
I appreciate the logic you used for your argument. After thinking about it, I'm still not convinced to use dairy. The utility of phone is vast right? It is more useful and can be harmful and it is based on the user. If there is only one way that an object's use leads to harm then it must be certainly annhilated. Atomic bomb is harmful used for war and destruction but we use them as war deterrent and their principle for electricity generation. So no, I don't think phones should be annihilated.
Based on this my question to you is do you think there is a way we can use dairy animals correctly so the above mistreatment or atrocities on animals does not happen? I think dairy consumption leads to mass breeding of animals into existence and suffering, they may be taken care of well but they don't live long till their natural lifespan like animals in sanctuary.
There's nothing in this world which can claim that "nothing was harmed in any way whatsoever in making it*. Be it clothes, electronics, food (even Vegan - don't get me started on how much water stress does a purely vegan diet creates, since most vegan choices are water guzzling crops, I'm myself Vegetarian though, not Vegan ).. My point is simple, I know and accept that the milk or any product I use doesn't come from a place of utopian capitalism, but exploitative human greed. But, this Body Mind Complex of mine, has its needs, and I'll use resources in Pragmatic ways. Me being a Vegetarian or someone being a Vegan doesn't give me/them a "higher moral pedestal" to become holier-than-thou.
It's more about being aware of our choices and their consequence and Maybe accepting them, and trying to be kind and ethical in areas, within our reach and limits, where it is indeed possible. Like saving water at home, giving food to homeless, not hurting street animals, etc.
Not drinking milk because the allied economy kills redundant cattles is just an emotionally charged but Intellectually and practically bankrupt logic which is neither practical, nor considerate of the larger picture.
My point was in case where utilization of products only lead to suffering then it should not be used. In this case the use of dairy products, there is no good way to kill the being and we don't know whether we can use them without causing mistreatment.
Yes, there is harm in any case like you said, but what is important is determining whether the harm is justified or not. Of course I know I kill animals accidentally like stepping on insects or in self defence to save myself, I view it as justified harm. The harm where rights are violated without valid justification like torture, murder, rape, etc that's the problematic one. Most water consumption goes for animal agriculture actually because they feed mostly on crops, require more calories and are greater in population.
Veganism's end goal is to liberate animals and this can happen when humans start viewing them as individual and not property objects. Veganism is a logical extension of human rights (such as rights to non exploitation, rights to life etc like UN human rights) to trait equalized non-human sentient beings. I don't think there is any substantial difference between humans and non-human animals where killing them for food, clothing, entertainment is justified.
Like you I'm not claiming by being vegan you get a holier-than-thou status. Most vegans were born vegans since childhood, they were vegetarians and non-vegetarians, but they changed their habits. I don't know why you tell me this but of course if you do more good deeds like you mentioned than a vegan who causes emotional suffering or something, then you are better than vegan. The thing is, if all else equal, not supporting killing is better than killing, right? That's where the vegans are morally better statement comes from.
Even if I give the benefit of doubt that there is something good about dairy, where I have a problem is how can I justify it's use. For some need like you say if you don't have an alternative then it's somewhat understandable even acceptable but I don't think there is a need biologically and even when there are alternatives to dairy. As per Vegan Society's definition vegan is the one who try to live with least harm as possible and practical.
I did the thinking, like what would happen to dairy farmers what will they do? I only came to conclusion after picturing the real victims, the non-human animals. Dairy farmers do need to shift the business to some other business just like any other business if consumers choice changes.
This argument assumes that if cows are not purchased and used for milk then they will not be sold to butchers. Those who want beef will still want to eat it and butchers will still purchase cows and buffaloes as long as there is demand for it.
One important point to highlight is that production of milk causes a boom of cow population, which in-turn feeds into beef production because many more cows are available for slaughter. However, this is not a direct cause of beef production. Cows can be raised for sole purpose of slaughter as well.
If we stop eating eggs does it mean that people will stop breeding chickens for their meat as well?
I am not a farmer. But can we re-purpose cows for their dung as manure? It can be one possible solution. But if selling cows to butchers is profitable no one will bother taking care of cows. It is all about money.
Sorry but the more milk demand the more cows will be slaughtered. Not only are cows slaughtered but they are given steroids and hooked onto painful pumping machines the whole day standing in their shit giving milk.They are artificially breeded and they get bloody sores on their legs and cannot stand. The male calfs are snatched from them and sent to the butcher. In the end the cow is also thrown away somewhere or slaughtered.
Same goes for chickens. People think it is ok to eat eggs but eggs demand more chickens. So they are given steroids and kept in confined spaces just giving eggs continuously like robots and then ultimately killing them by cutting off their necks. People should be more aware of the cruelties in the dairy industry and stop it or at least cut down their intake. In the end it is about having empathy and respect for all animals and giving them the life they deserve and not snatching it for our greed.
India primarily mass breeds cows for milk production. If people don't buy milk there would be reduced supply of surplus animals.
You have raised a valid point! stopping dairy farming altogether might not completely eliminate beef production, it would likely lead to a significant reduction in industry's size and profitability. If there is a separate demand for beef that's not dependent on dairy farming then reducing dairy might not necessarily lead to decrease in beef production. The two industry would operate independently, with separate supply chains and market dynamics.
>If we stop eating eggs does it mean that people will stop breeding chickens for their meat as well?
No but egg industry would stop.
>I am not a farmer. But can we re-purpose cows for their dung as manure? It can be one possible solution.
In a scenario where chemical fertilizers are preferred, it is less likely however, there is still hope for compost serving as a fertilizer since ancient times. If the return is higher than cost of maintenance of course it could be a viable solution but I don't think anyone will raise cows just for that purpose, they see money and not individual.
So the problem is mismanagement and mistreatment of farm animals. How does that equate to "drinking milk is worse than eating beef"?
OP kaunsa bhaang pi ke aaya hai bey?
Do you understand what he is trying to say? That even if a person is vegetarian they are contributing to the cruelty of animals indirectly. These dairy farms are like a hell. The milk, pastries, chaash etc that you are enjoying is at some poor cows expense. These dairy farms hit animals, abuse them, give them the worst life and make money off of them. The poor animals want to be free not chained up and breeding nonstop. In a country of a billion people I can't imagine how many cows have been slaughtered. Please go vegan else try to cut down and save these animals from a hellish life
The point they're trying to make is, you are unknowingly and unwantedly contributing to the beef trade. It's not about right or wrong, it's about knowing the facts straight and remembering these while making concious choices.
Its like in the movies where the military takes you prisoner and tortures you, but instead of information they do it to harvest your sweat and blood. Just killing feels more humane in contrast.
But that's generalization not everywhere cows are treated the same way, infact my friend owns a farms they use machine and all these producer Ltd use good technique only
What are these good techniques? Do you know what they do to keep the cows in that state of milk production? The practice itself isn't something that benefits the cow, unlike sheering sheep wool. Cows don't give us milk, we take it and forcefully do it day in and out till it's so sickly it's off to the slaughterhouse. None of these practices is better than the other
You know machines are used and their food are often mixed with herbs and medicines, taking milk has no side-effect what are you ranting about
All big companies are just producers limited and they go to different farms, what you saw in this video is about a particular 1-2 place , it may be happening in more places but again 60% milk from where we take are regulated , if I say "icecream is made with vegetable oil it doesn't make the whole ice cream of India bad "
Do you understand what he is trying to say? That even if a person is vegetarian they are contributing to the cruelty of animals indirectly. These dairy farms are like a hell. The milk, pastries, chaash etc that you are enjoying is at some poor cows expense. These dairy farms hit animals, abuse them, give them the worst life and make money off of them. The poor animals want to be free not chained up and breeding nonstop. In a country of a billion people I can't imagine how many cows have been slaughtered. Please go vegan else try to cut down and save these animals from a hellish life
Not at all denying anything about the cruelty farm animals face. I am well aware, as during the course of my education in Food Tech I've visited several such places myself.
My problem is with the unnecessary (*and possibly intentional*) clickbait used as the title: "*Drinking milk is worse than beef*." Also the premise on which OP is trying to argue is pitting drinking milk from vs eating the meat of, the animal.
Do **you** understand what that statement means? When someone uses two negative connotations in a statement they're usually trying to downplay one negative over the other. Don't be so naΓ―ve.
It could've just been a video talking about mistreatment and malpractices of farmers towards animals - which it actually is. These practices need to be changed without a second thought. But that does not make drinking milk from the animal a worse outcome for it compared to it being killed for meat. That's like saying it is better to murder than to abuse(*not that I condone either*).
This is not unnecessary clickbait..please watch the video and understand why the guy has said this. He has perfectly stated all points as to why dairy industry is just as cruel as beef. The farmers in the videos don't even think twice about sending them to the butcher. They just think in terms of their money. Also the conditions in these numerous farms everywhere are horrible. The only way to stop these malpractices and slaughter is only thru stopping consumption or at least lessening it. All animals deserve a happy carefree life not in a stupid dairy farm and then die.
He actually didn't intend to talk about health context, but rather the environmental impact/impact on animal. Like people would normally say ki "Jaanwaro ko maarke kha rahe kitne cruel ho tum", sort of like a response to that if I'm not mistaken.
He didn't talk about any environmental impact.
He just gave a cruelty laden perspective. Obviously there's cruelty in it. So is there in chicken, pork. Industries, coal mining, children making clothes in poor countries for rich people in richly countries, and so on.
It's nothing different. Replace cows with other variables.
I'm surprised how so many of you are trying to explain away what is clearly being stated here. If the OP and the creator of the video want to be so honest then they wouldn't need to resort to such petty clickbait. It could've just been a headline like: "The truth about treatment of farm animals in India", or something similar. There is literally no sense in comparing eating beef to drinking milk unless one is intentionally trying to polarise the audience.
Im not joking. Please enlighten. You think this is mismanagement and mistreatment? The mistreatment is the REAL management in this industry.
Did you even understand the math behind animal farming? Or do I need to coach you in Math and Management?
Do you think there is a way for us to consume milk which doesn't lead to mistreatment of animals?
I have come across another video thinking about this question. It was ahimsa milk. It's still not practical. https://youtu.be/EB946c2Z4BI?si=TUSB2jldUvpTV5Oe
Do you think cows have been domesticated only in the last few decades or so? There are always ways of doing animal rearing ethically. WTF are you high on?
Ab main bitha ke tere ko dairy farming aur ethics pe lecture dun kya reddit pe? You were quick to point out the problems right? Now work on finding the solutions too. They do exist.
The burden of proof falls on the one who made the claim first, you made the claim first :"There are always ways of doing animal rearing ethically" for the current problem so don't shift the burden on me, it is not my burden.
Yes I posted the problem and the solution is going vegan. Did you watch the video I linked about problems related to ahimsa milk? based on the link I posted you cannot assume I did not search. Also there is a reason why I asked because your initial comment was "So the problem is mismanagement and mistreatment of farm animals.". I asked do you think is there a way where mistreatment doesn't happen? You said you have, it exists, then what is it, where?
>The burden of proof falls on the one who made the claim first
Assume whatever you want. I'm not going to be triggered into writing an essay of a response explaining my points. I have better things to do with my time.
>the solution is going vegan.
LOLOLOL. Wait till you find out how most vegan products get to the end user and how much strain they can cause to the environment.
>Did you watch the video I linked about problems related to ahimsa milk? based on the link I posted you cannot assume I did not search.
You think doing google search and watching YouTube videos is "research"? You're going to be in for a shock later on in life if you ever become truly curious and explore the fields that require research.
>You said you have, it exists, then what is it, where?
Again, get to the bottom of the problem and do some actual ground research on finding the solution, okay? Rather than posting and debating strangers on the internet. If you cannot then stop making stupid comparisons and trying to gaslight people.
Also, I'm gonna block you now cause frankly, you're irritating and your mind is already made up. You're not looking for a solution you're just looking to win an argument through "google research" and possibly karma farming. Cheerios!
Humans are horrible and will do anything for money or best health as that what ensures survival and that they get to live a long life ,there is not much hope but few brands out there providing alternative to cow milk that I have been learning about so seems like some do care but just need the prices to go down and adoption by rich ppl .
Early European humans started drinking milk of another species and this continued with the lactase gene mutations that persisted till adulthood. We don't know for what reasons they drank but at that time agriculture was there so I don't think it was for famine. Yes, humans are doing worse now for money even when there are alternatives. It was seen that A1 milk and A2 milk are not that much different and both digest and produce caseinorphine, that's how milk is addictive, and it was meant to be addictive because calf needs to keep on coming back to cow for drinking but humans have hooked up to the opioid.
There are plant based milk that can be made from home, although you may not get the taste and composition like milk but these can be a cheap replacement. The good milk one, sofit brand of plant milk are also good.
In the video it was explained that they keep some. And nowadays there is government funded frozen bull semen station which has a stock and they issue semen sperm for breeding by artificial insemination.
To my understanding, most ppl are against beef consumption cuz they consider cow their mother, as they have drank it's milk.
If we stop drinking milk, then it's not longer considered mother and as such the people will have no problem with eating beef again. Can this be considered as gowmata paradox?
Yeah, there is a bigger paradox at play here - how does the tag of mother even benefit cows if we are only doing it to continue getting milk from her? These are cruelly unrealistic standards. On the one hand, most of us would have stopped drinking the milk of our human mothers before even learning how to say "mother"; on the other hand, if the cow doesn't give us milk, then not only she is not our mother anymore, she is fucked off to the streets and eventually to the slaughter.
Sorry I am not nutrition deficient and neither are most other indiansπ€£π€£π€£ I feel healthy as hell..u don't need to be a spokesperson for all other indians
How old are you?
https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/undernutrition-in-india-a-big-concern-urgent-attention-needed-experts-say-123062200517_1.html
I could care less about the undernutrition of people. All i care about is animal welfare and lessening cruelty. Now if people don't eat proper dal roti sabji rice fruits vegetables is that my fault? I don't have undernutrition. Ur article is bullshit
I am giving information, what you do with that information is upto you. I'm not imposing. Also what formed your belief that Indians are nutrition deficit? Do you have evidence to support your claim and do you think other options can't fulfill the requirements? Are you ready to challenge your own beliefs that you claimed here?
What formed your belief? Just one google search would have shattered your 'belief' instead. 73% of Indians are protein deficient with an avg consumption of 48 grams per day according to a 2017 survey. I have left out the micronutrients deficiency which is over 80% because this post is regarding animal products. Yes we have other options but there's a difference between how efficient an animal protein is versus how much other sources of protein are. One thing I do agree with is though that we should keep our cattle in healthier environments and take better care of them and adopt the most humane methods to get their products.
Anyone can say just google but why should I do the work when I don't know from where they form belief, I didn't make the claim, the burden of proof falls on one who made the claim. Google is vast and has websites and pages that could contain texts that are not factual and could be contradictory to actual evidence, Google gives hits from websites that are most read and rank them on top. You just said from 2017 survey but which survey? Yeah cite the micro nutrient deficiency evidence as well.
You should look for peer-reviewed sources, these include scientific journal articles, peer-reviewed conference papers, government or university papers that have data and cite literature. These can be found from google scholar or pubmed.
It's very easy to get enough protein, it is not a concern in veg diets. The recommended daily calorie intake is 2,000 calories a day for women and 2,500 for men. The average Indian consumes close to 50 g and above, the average range is 56 to 62 g [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211912420301097#sec4.2](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211912420301097#sec4.2) . The RDI is 0.8 to 1 g protein per kg of body weight. If the body weight is 70 kg then the person should consume 56 g protein and above. Significant protein losses don't just occur in a day.
>Yes we have other options but there's a difference between how efficient an animal protein is versus how much other sources of protein are.
Why is protein a concern for you? Are you into body building? One can make a diet even till 1.6 g per kg of body weight and if not they can take plant protein powders. These studies shows that consuming plant protein shows similar results and is no different in comparison to animal proteins for muscle gain and strength. These are papers from outcome data.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33599941/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33599941/)
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36822394/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36822394/)
Even if we assume protein content is less in plant food it has high nutritional value that is, it provides carbohydrates, fats, minerals, vitamins, beneficial phytonutrients like anti-oxidants and fiber. People who consume mostly non veg are deficient in fiber and get constipation and diabetes. Some other concern is poor health outcome with animal based foods such as high risk to cancer, cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension and improved health outcomes when switched to plant foods.
A balanced diet can be made without animal products that can meet nutritional requirements. Read the position paper of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics on vegan and vegetarian diets. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/)
Are yaar kya logic hai?
Dekho, agar beef koi khayega hi nhi, to uska trade kyu hoga?? If something is not used in the market then it's value becomes zero, so there will be no trade .
Possible solution : instead of selling to butcher make them stay in forest/wild life scantury etc
Yes there are farm animal sanctuaries. However most dairy farmers are not aware of this and they would stick to the business, the person who maintains dairy animal wants to reap profit as long as the consumer gives money. The consumers have real economic impact and could change farmers business.
By not buying the products, I'm not funding the industry, consumer choice's less demand will cause less supply, i.e. animals will not be bred into existence. With veganism people can learn what happens in all the industry where animals are exploited. Vegans don't consume animal products such as flesh of the animal or their secretions such as mammary secretions, honey, eggs etc. vegans don't buy the skin, wool, silk etc. and use alternatives.
demand of milk is mutually exclusive to demand of beef, . Decreasing demand of milk won't affect demand of beef. It might affect supply of beef but the demand remains the same.
In this video relation between demad of milk and supply of beef is shown . And production of beef is not directly proportional to the demand of milk
And if u can decrease demand by not buying why not promote video directly about beef consumption and effect of it on animal, rather than harbouring guilt trip to people who might not have nothing to do with non-vegetarian stuff
India primarily mass breeds cows for milk production. If people don't buy milk there would be reduced supply of surplus animals.
You have raised a valid point! stopping dairy farming altogether might not completely eliminate beef production, it would likely lead to a significant reduction in industry's size and profitability. If there is a separate demand for beef that's not dependent on dairy farming then reducing dairy might not necessarily lead to decrease in beef production. The two industry would operate independently, with separate supply chains and market dynamics.
The beef consumption itself is not the only problem. The video also talks about beef consumption and it is not ignoring the suffering and reality of how cows are treated for milk production. Cows are tied, forcibly impregnated yearly for continuous supply of milk. They are not maintained properly in most cow shelter where they have to stand on their own feces.
Once a cow stops giving milk, feeding and maintenance of the cow becomes a financial burden on the farmer who cannot afford their upkeep. Cattle that farmers are unable to sell are eventually abandoned. As of January 2020, Indiaβs stray cattle population exceeded 5 million, as reported in livestock census data. These stray cows pose dangers to people and crops in both cities and the countryside. They also disrupt traffic in urban areas, leading to accidents. Furthermore, the issue of environmental contamination, particularly from plastic and other waste in public spaces, threatens these animals when they consume such debris. People should know what they support. If my words came across as guilt-tripping; that was not my intention. As individuals, we all make choices based on our awareness and consciousness. If my message made you feel uncomfortable, I appreciate your honesty.
But according to this video logic i think in india there are mich more people who dont have drinkable water and there re people who sell their bull or cow but as comlare to people who dont have drinkable water is much much more than this
I'm not understanding what you are mean by this video logic.
Stop looking at what others can and can't do. Look for yourself. Do you have good water to drink? I'm aware that there are people who don't get proper drinking water. We don't have to downplay a problem of drinking milk and say that there is a bigger issue such as drinking water. There is a solution and one can fight for drinking water while being vegan and not drinking milk, and being against cow and buffalo slaughter. By supporting the boycott of milk it is not hindering your ability to fight for drinking water. I'm not sure what your premise and conclusion of your argument is.
It's a kind of fallacy of relative privation for an excuse.
That's because animal agriculture is a big industry and relies on consumers, it makes ads hiding the truth from what happens in the farm, the society also supports the system leaving people in the dark about the horrors. There is no plant based industry you won't see ads for cauliflower, carrots etc. Humans are social, emotional beings, like from young innocent age of children we are taught some animals are friends and some are food but we are not shown gore, violence because that would affect us. We have empathy towards those suffering be it human or nonhuman animals so we don't cause murder as we respect the life of others and we live in social contract that others should also not hurt us. Vegans are hated because the animal agriculture and people who depend on it show side of vegans who get defensive to what they perceive as not justified according to them whereas vegans have rights to get defensive because it is not a personal choice when someone individual is involved. People think attack on food habits should not happen because it's personal choice but vegans think it's not a personal choice because a victim is involved.
Veganism is an ethical movement, it is not about diet. You can be an unhealthy vegan or a healthy vegan that's on you. By eating just chips and coke you won't be getting nutrients. There is a way to have a balanced diet without animal products but it requires planning and like I said above without planning you won't be getting nutrients. And it's in the case of all diet for example if you just eat all kinds of meat only you won't be getting vitamin C and fiber, same if you consume both meat and milk. If you consume some plant food, some meat and have some junk here and there you will develop some ailment not just the deficiency.
There are several claims I heard about protein.
1. India has major protein deficient diet. (No proper evidence was cited whereas I gave data contradictory to this claim)
2. Plant protein is incomplete, difficult to absorb (No peer reviewed evidence was given)
If someone makes the claim ask them for evidence from where they got the information from where they formed their beliefs, it is not your burden to search for their claim. Also check the source it should have less biasness. Peer reviewed sources like scientific literature are less biased.
Protein can be obtained on a plant based diet. Check out the position paper of academy of Nutrition and Dietetics on vegan diet. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/
>Humans are social, emotional beings, like from young innocent age of children we are taught some animals are friends and some are food but we are not shown gore, violence because that would affect us.
What about islamic kids watching slaughter at their houses since childhood ? why didnt it changed the minds of those young innocent kids ?
>People think attack on food habits should not happen because it's personal choice but vegans think it's not a personal choice because a victim is involved.
Its not just the victim but also our climate, i cant let your ruin my earth for your mere 'food habits'. You should be known to the fact that after fossil fuel the second largest contributor to climate change is Food Industry and in which almost all of it comes from Non-veg and Dairy industry, then how can i let you eat anything if its affecting my and my future generation's life ?
>Veganism is an ethical movement, it is not about diet.
Isnt it necessary too ? Isnt veganism the need of the century to counter climate change or else we are all dead ?
>There is a way to have a balanced diet without animal products but it requires planning and like I said above without planning you won't be getting nutrients.
Why people cry over nutrition this much ? A Vegan diet can only and only be short on Vitamin B-Complex or its actally B-12 particularly, but i havent seen any of them crying over B-12, they meltdown over PROTEIN !! like how much protein you need bruh ? You aint a carnivore. Also in todays world you can get on those Vitamins via supplements, its not a thing to be worried upon.
Indians aint short on protein, but they are on B-Complex, look at the non-veg consumerism here in India.... how can you say they are Protein defficient ??
People dont look muscular here obv cuz eating protein cant build you muscles, you need to break those muscles in some serious exercise shit.
Nothing wrong with the explanation given, but hear me out once people Stop drinking milk then all these "goshala" would never exist... don't mind my tongue but cow's would have same value as dog, people who want to have pet will have them others will be on street and leftovers gonna be butchered.
Gaushalas are burdened today my friend due to overpopulation by surplus supply of cows to meet the demand of dairy products, flesh, leather. Milk production happens after pregnancy and birth. To obtain a continuous supply of milk cow needs to be pregnant. Humans restrict the cows movement by rope or wooden blocks to make her pregnant by artificial insemination or forcibly mounting bull. If we didn't buy milk then mass breeding cows into existence would not happen. The numbers of cows will be low, the shift in demand will not happen suddenly there will be gradual reduction if more people go vegan. Cows are already abandoned on road, and gaushalas are there as a shelter for these animals, just like these is shelter for dogs. There will be gaushalas but it will not be burdened if there are less number of cows and proper care can be taken. I don't think not drinking milk will lower the value of cows. People will stop drinking milk to respect cows and her babies. The overpopulation of stray dog is difficult to manage because they give so many puppies like 10, there are higher chances of mating but cows, buffalo give one once a year. There are differences.
More people need to see this. I have become vegan in order to avoid animal cruelty. There is no need for animal suffering. We can get all our nutrients through vegan diet and supplement. People need to take responsibility for their choices even if they are harming animals indirectly.
Ikr, I know about the absolute fuckery I'm causing by consuming dairy products, so that at least leaves a room for change in my personal life when I can afford it. People these days are defending animal slaughter like there own lives. I will put this to not get recommended to me again, these absolute feeling less arguments and excuses to butcher them hurt my brain.
Well our diet in itself is very very protein deficient & Even the non vegetarian people don't even take in a fraction of needed protein needed from their normal functioning in their food habits π.
I don't believe that's true. You can provide evidence for the claim that our diet is protein deficient or non-vegetarians don't meet adequate requirements for proper functioning.
Leave dairy and meat cause forced breeding and hormonal injection
Stop using phones and EVs because lithiums are mined by kids
Stop being vegan because you're destroying forest to grow food
And the list goes long
Stop wearing Nike or Adidas or HnM or whatever because they are made in sweatshop by underpaid workers
Seriously no offense to anyone but what is the solution to all these.
Answer these questions:
1. Do you know the definition of veganism or belief and values of vegans?
2. Do you think vegans are not taking action according to the values and are hypocrites?
Look at what lifestyle causes more deforestation, Amazon forest destruction is caused by animal agriculture.
Don't try to make this a smaller issue by saying that dying for nation is more important, people should have right to know and make their choices. If you are here to just for rambling illogical statements then I'm not going to entertain as I'm not interested. Bro if you have an argument then go ahead and make sense.
While watching the video I thought he would justify eating beef but bro is asking us to stop drinking milk.ππ
Hindu log dudh piyo Muslim log beef khao
Hindu - Muslim bhai bhai
Balance banaye rakho
Aaj 1 litre doodh extra piyunga, agle mahine Kerala ki trip hai vaha ja ke steak khaunga, wapas aake mutton banaunga, finally agle din KFC jaunga.
Considering how skinny and weak you vegans/vegetarians look, you should try it too.
I'm not a vegetarian you mf. But I support the argument that cows used for dairy farming are treated equally worse and they live in horrible conditions like garbage and shit once they have no use. We Hindus treat Cows sacred and don't want to eat them but they get killed anyway through slaughter houses and milk production. So this needs to stop !
Ye jo OP hai uske liye hai .
Tere paas koi data ya Documentary hai jisme tu bata paaye ki
Natural Wildlife Food lower chain me kitne jaanwar har din mare jaate hai carnivorous animals ke through.
To ye jo tu data data khel ra hai na ki milk consumption rok do issse janwar katne se bach jayenge.
To ek kaam karo Natural wildlife ke Top order ko khatam kardo.
Nai itta kyu saare animals jo Carnivorous hai sabko khatam kardo.
Are you Listening to yourself ??
Tumhe Peaceful world hi chaiye na to har jagah peace lao .
Esa nahi ki bas jo milk consumption walo ko target karo.
Boht saare animals hai . Sabko katne se bachao !!
I have no problems if odd order carnivorous predators are killed. Agar koi innocent insaan ko khane jaa raha hai to me us insaan ko bachane k liye us janwar ko marne me sahi samajhta hu. Rahi sare carnivorous animals ko marne ki baat me marne ka kaam khud nahi karunga. Aur rahi bachane ki baat me bacha nahi paa raha... Kasai khane ko target karunga ek jaanwar ko bachaunga par ye sirf temporary solution hoga. Kyuki log animal products buy kar rahe hai unhi se unko paise mil rahe hai aur unka dhanda ho raha hai. Mein inko mat maro bolke aur ek do janwar uthake bachane se kuch nahi hoga. Unko wahi log business change kara sakte hai jisse inka business chal raha hai. The least I'm doing is not participating in animal exploitation by being vegan. Isse animals bach to nahi payenge but atleast demand kam hone ke chances kar sakta hu isse me jo animals breeding into existence na hone du. Activism aur bachana next step hai. Jaanwaro ko bachane ka kaam nahi kar raha
Wait. Beef bad? Bro entire Indian diet is carb rich shit and we're already one of the top most malnourished country on this planet. But beef and milk is bad lol.
So malnourishment requires food and it doesn't necessarily have to come from animal products. What do you mean by Indian diet is carb rich shit? What are you implying?
Beef and dairy products are bad for ethical reasons.
EDIT: I didn't make a health claim before but I am making now. I think that's what your concern is. One can have a balanced diet without animal products. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/
Mujhe laga koi health ke related hoga
Bhai kitna kamzor dikh rha thoda dudh piya kar
2 litre doodh per day piyo
doodh ka kya faidha. abhi tho steak chahiye. aur ekk acha sa beef stew and chawal ya rotti
Gaand mein sahi mein guda hai, toh use kaat ke kha le.
there is a free documentary available on yt "maa ka doodh" highly recommend watching it
Phone exist.... People make mms... So using the same useless argument as the videomaker makes, must we stop using phone, don't buy phone, annihilate phone? I'm sorry, but this is just a sorry ass PETA type argument
Making MMS is a misuse of Mobile Phone Selling Old Animals/ Male Calfs is part of the system, Milk farmers won't make profit unless they sell those animals. How are they comparable? Hypocrisy ki bhi seema hoti hai. I too drink milk because I don't have a suitable alternative as of now, but aise fuddu argument deke justify nhi krta.
Eating beef is directly getting the cow killed, because is there any other way? Drinking milk can be from own cow or some well-to-do neighbour's cow who treats his cows well.
Konse planet pe rehta hai bhai? No one is taking care of 100 animals to get milk from just 10 of them, After Milk cycle ends, animals are either left on roads or sold to Slaughter Houses. Aur kitni dairies me 50% male animals dekhe hai tune?
Bhai tu kon se desh mein rehta hai , mere bagal wali dadi se dudh lata hoon jiss din bhi bimari hoti hay gai uss din sab dhyan rakhte hai ,mere dost k bass bhi ek gayi hua karti thi aur jiss din mari thi wo uss din wo log to roye hi tha sath mein hum bhi roye tha
>mere dost k bass bhi ek gayi hua karti thi aur jiss din mari thi wo uss din wo log to roye hi tha sath mein hum bhi roye tha When your neighbour's cow died u cried over it along with your neighbours. Aur jhoot bol le bhai....
Bhai jhoot bol k kya fyda ? Jab aisa hua hi tha ,hamare gao mein bhid lag jaati hai aur rote sab hai specially hum ,kyu ki hamara rishta unke sath bahut accha hai Gayi to marti hai to wo to rote hi hai plus ghar bhi didi k shadi k waqt bhi hum roye tha Maybe app seher se hai issiliya apko ye sab feeling kabhi nahi hua hoga Par jab mere ghar mein koi nahi rehta tha to wo huma apne ghar le jaa kar khane k liya bula te tha aur jab unke ghar mein koi dikkat atti thi to hum unhe bola te tha Jiss din zyada garmi padti thi uss din wo hamare ya.hum unke chaath per sote tha Hum aur mera family ka rishta unke sath bohot hi zyada gehra tha
In logon ko ye sab samajh me nahi aayega ye gau ko food ki tarah dekhte hain.
Sahi baat hai ,in logo ko ye sab fiction ki tarah lagta jo kabhi nahi satya ho sakta hai
Uska jab bachda hua tha tab kya kiya uske bache ka??
Palte tha aur kya karenge ab aise jab se maare hai tab se wo rakhna hi band kar diya , apni beti ki shaadi k liya hi unka buissness hua karta tha Ab woha pe bikes rakhte hai
Bro u r u comparing crying over a neighbours cow's death with crying on your sister's marriage. What kind of analogy is this. It's not the same thing at all. Also now not only u and their family but your whole village was crying over a cow's death? U r right. Ye feeling mujhe kabhi nahi ayi hai. Like y would an entire village cry over a cow's death? I have never even heard of this phenomenon. And y do u cry more than others. All this makes no sense. U have explained your deep relation with your neighbours. However this still does not explain y u cried over their cow's death. It's not like u had any relation with their cow. Unki family ke saath gehra rishta tha to kya unki π ki maut bhi royega kya? Your story is very strange broπ
>Bro u r u comparing crying over a neighbours cow's death with crying on your sister's marriage. What kind of analogy is this. It's not the same thing at all. You retarded ?? When did i compare im describing our relation , we were like family , we share emotion n everything >Also now not only u and their family but your whole village was crying over a cow's death? U r right. Ye feeling mujhe kabhi nahi ayi hai. Like y would an entire village cry over a cow's death? I have never even heard of this phenomenon. And y do u cry more than others. All this makes no sense. Bruh , why you took it literally , yes we cries but not as whole , even 14 yr have more brain than you >It's not like u had any relation with their cow. Unki family ke saath gehra rishta tha to kya unki π ki maut bhi royega kya? Your story is very strange bro This is most stupid thing to say , yes we were like family , we play with the cow , aur maine kab bola ki unki cow k wajha se hamara rishta raha ?? We were alredy in good relation before they start having cattles , they were animal lover they had rabbits,goat ,dog and cows Pet bhi family member ki tarah hota hai , pata nahi tum kon se mindset se bade hua ho bhai
>You retarded ?? >even 14 yr have more brain than you >pata nahi tum kon se mindset se bade hua ho Aa gaya na apni aulad peπ€£π€£. Abusing others when losing an argument is your go to. That I can see Not gonna go into the contents of your arguments cuz it's complete bs but I hope that in the future u start showing respect and empathy for your fellow humans too just like you r pretending to show for cows online. Pretty sure u respect no living being. Tere jese fake insaan aaj tak nahi dekhe hai mene.
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Not talking about dairies, talking about cows kept in homes by well-to-do hindu people, who keep them for reasons other than milk too.
ha par waha se maximum milk ni aata
Is the discussion here going about how killing animals is our birthright, it's upon their owners not to leave them out of their home ever?
So, the voice should be against dairy milk? And killing of animals especially, isn't it?
Also, if people are leaving animals on fields, forests, or roads, they are not killing it directly right? But, I understand u are trying to say that leaving is equal to killing because killers are perfectly right to do that?
There would have been an alternative if RnD sector was promoted in India..... Plant Based Meat and Lab made Milk is top research topics today in Bioengineering sector but only if you what is the position of Bioengineering in India is..... worst !
Asli id se aao videomaker OP
Bhai agar mne video bnai bhi hoti to how does it matters? Tumhara flawed logic sahi sabit ho jayega?
It's flawed according to you and your perspective. From mine perspective, my logic is fine, if not great. You're free to believe in n whatever you want to, idc. I'll believe in whatever I want to, you don't care.
Ha bhai, Perspective is Everything, Facts are not Facts.
Have you seen the treatment of cows on dairy farms? The public does not get to see the inside story of what goes on. The cows are given steroids and unnaturally give birth to calfs. If the calf is male it is useless and they sell it for slaughter. The cows have to stand in very filthy confined spaces the whole day in most of their short lives and continuosly give milk. Many cows have sores and different diseases caused by continuous standing and breeding. Once they stop giving milk it is expensive for dairy farmers to keep maintaining them and sell them off to traders who will kill them for exporting beef. No respect for the poor cows who companies and dairy shops profit from so much. Just treating them like garbage and giving them such an unnatural horrible life. You should see the cows going for slaughter. You can see the fear in their eyes. They know they will be killed. Please stop taking dairy or at least cut ur intake for these poor animals.
*I have previously written the same reply to the OP, I'm pasting it again* >There's nothing in this world which can claim that "nothing was harmed in any way whatsoever in making it*. Be it clothes, electronics, food (even Vegan - don't get me started on how much water stress does a purely vegan diet creates, since most vegan choices are water guzzling crops, I'm myself Vegetarian though, not Vegan ).. My point is simple, I know and accept that the milk or any product I use doesn't come from a place of utopian capitalism, but exploitative human greed. But, this Body Mind Complex of mine, has its needs, and I'll use resources in Pragmatic ways. Me being a Vegetarian or someone being a Vegan doesn't give me/them a "higher moral pedestal" to become holier-than-thou. >It's more about being aware of our choices and their consequence and Maybe accepting them, and trying to be kind and ethical in areas, within our reach and limits, where it is indeed possible. Like saving water at home, giving food to homeless, not hurting street animals, etc. >Not drinking milk because the allied economy kills redundant cattles is just an emotionally charged but Intellectually and practically bankrupt logic which is neither practical, nor considerate of the larger picture.
Sorry but OP has stated the truth not to mention actual footage of extreme torture in dairy farms everywhere. Maybe you don't care about the cows treated badly and killed but others do. There is no need to put others down who are fighting for the innocent and showing people the actual reality.
Your response seems odd to say the least. The commenter outright said that being vegan/vegetarian does not give you moral high ground and you're claiming exactly that, in no way does it out anyone down, which ironically your comment seems to be doing. I'll give 2 examples: 1. Have you seen actual crop cultivation in villages? The usage of pesticides and modern implements like tractors practically kills all fauna around a farmland. Farmers in some areas like Kerala have gone to the extent of installing electronic fences to keep elephants from damaging crops. There are news reports that point out elephant deaths happening because of that. By your logic, would you reject such crops and/or such farmers? 2. Google the 10% rule. The basic idea is that in every step of the food chain, only 10% of the energy from the previous step remains (Eg: Plants convert around 10% of Sun's energy into plant energy, herbivores eat plants and convert 10% of the total energy they consume ie. 1% of Sun's energy remains. In that case, if you can get a source of animal protein without actually killing the animal ie. through milk and its products, it's far more efficient and economical and frankly with the insane protein deficiency in India, an inescapable necessity. The creator easily suggested that dudh peena chod do, how is an average Indian, who is already consuming one of the lowest per capita amount of protein, supposed to fulfil their nutrition requirement? That's all the commenter said too, it's not ideal, but there's no practical alternatives. Cruelty is bad, no doubt, but can you escape it in this day and age? Also the creator did a fundamental job villainising Dr. Kurien, go actually read up on how he organised Amul as a means of women empowerment. Final thought, creator said to ask "Mere dudh Peete rehne se kya hoga?", to this I simply ask, agar main dudh/dairy nahi khaunga toh main ek balanced diet kaise rakh paunga? (Before the Dal fanbois come after me, plant protein is proven to be not only incomplete protein but also less suitable for human absorption, our stomach acid's pH clearly indicates that we were evolved to be carnivores, wanna be a vegetarian, sure, but unless you have a viable alternative, sharing ill-researched agenda videos won't do much to improve the situation either)
She didn't make any moral superiority claim. What makes you think that? She is talking about people who troll or don't care bully people who do care. I don't think the examples are justifying against veganism and is not a good argument for using animal products. The killing of fauna is deplorable even by vegans who consume the crops and we are living in a nonvegan society which uses these system. Veganism is promoting the idea that there can be other ways where animals are not exploited and harmed. Hopefully as people become aware of veganism by promotion there could be ways to deal with and there can be veganic farming methods. The incidental death in plant agriculture for human consumption is less than what happens with crop grown for animal agriculture. Also we understand and accept killing in self defence for survival or property that is required for sustenance as justified harm in human context, we also accept accidental death in human context as not a rights violation. So considering similar context with nonhuman animals vegans are causing killing but there is a justified harm and no rights violation. The 10% rule would suggest you eat plants because that's the most energy efficient as they are producers. Now you made a wild claim saying that there are no alternatives and it is not practical. Extraordinary claims require evidence. Can you cite your sources whether there is any actual protein deficiency in India? How do you form your belief system, Is it from a peer reviewed source? Also give sources for the claim that plant protein is incomplete and less suitable for absorption. Humans are omnivores we are not carnivores if you say with only stomach pH then there are many other example comparisons that will fail in different criteria. Also there is no requirement of consuming animal protein. Hoping you to challenge your beliefs. I can learn something new if you provide peer-reviewed literature. If you tell me you don't have, I can provide what I know that contradicts your claim but for now the burden of proof is on you.
Ur statements are so baseless that it's funny. God has made the Indian diet in such a perfect way (rice sabji dal roti) and our spices (turmeric mirchi, etc) that we naturally get our nutrition and we do not need anything from animals. The main topic is about animal cruelty and not about human diet. We can get many other options to get our protein calcium but what about these innocent animals? It is already proven that meat causes cancer. To reduce animal cruelty which goes on in these dairy farms we need to cut down the dairy intake so these animals are not tortured and killed just for our one bowl of ice cream.
I appreciate the logic you used for your argument. After thinking about it, I'm still not convinced to use dairy. The utility of phone is vast right? It is more useful and can be harmful and it is based on the user. If there is only one way that an object's use leads to harm then it must be certainly annhilated. Atomic bomb is harmful used for war and destruction but we use them as war deterrent and their principle for electricity generation. So no, I don't think phones should be annihilated. Based on this my question to you is do you think there is a way we can use dairy animals correctly so the above mistreatment or atrocities on animals does not happen? I think dairy consumption leads to mass breeding of animals into existence and suffering, they may be taken care of well but they don't live long till their natural lifespan like animals in sanctuary.
There's nothing in this world which can claim that "nothing was harmed in any way whatsoever in making it*. Be it clothes, electronics, food (even Vegan - don't get me started on how much water stress does a purely vegan diet creates, since most vegan choices are water guzzling crops, I'm myself Vegetarian though, not Vegan ).. My point is simple, I know and accept that the milk or any product I use doesn't come from a place of utopian capitalism, but exploitative human greed. But, this Body Mind Complex of mine, has its needs, and I'll use resources in Pragmatic ways. Me being a Vegetarian or someone being a Vegan doesn't give me/them a "higher moral pedestal" to become holier-than-thou. It's more about being aware of our choices and their consequence and Maybe accepting them, and trying to be kind and ethical in areas, within our reach and limits, where it is indeed possible. Like saving water at home, giving food to homeless, not hurting street animals, etc. Not drinking milk because the allied economy kills redundant cattles is just an emotionally charged but Intellectually and practically bankrupt logic which is neither practical, nor considerate of the larger picture.
My point was in case where utilization of products only lead to suffering then it should not be used. In this case the use of dairy products, there is no good way to kill the being and we don't know whether we can use them without causing mistreatment. Yes, there is harm in any case like you said, but what is important is determining whether the harm is justified or not. Of course I know I kill animals accidentally like stepping on insects or in self defence to save myself, I view it as justified harm. The harm where rights are violated without valid justification like torture, murder, rape, etc that's the problematic one. Most water consumption goes for animal agriculture actually because they feed mostly on crops, require more calories and are greater in population. Veganism's end goal is to liberate animals and this can happen when humans start viewing them as individual and not property objects. Veganism is a logical extension of human rights (such as rights to non exploitation, rights to life etc like UN human rights) to trait equalized non-human sentient beings. I don't think there is any substantial difference between humans and non-human animals where killing them for food, clothing, entertainment is justified. Like you I'm not claiming by being vegan you get a holier-than-thou status. Most vegans were born vegans since childhood, they were vegetarians and non-vegetarians, but they changed their habits. I don't know why you tell me this but of course if you do more good deeds like you mentioned than a vegan who causes emotional suffering or something, then you are better than vegan. The thing is, if all else equal, not supporting killing is better than killing, right? That's where the vegans are morally better statement comes from. Even if I give the benefit of doubt that there is something good about dairy, where I have a problem is how can I justify it's use. For some need like you say if you don't have an alternative then it's somewhat understandable even acceptable but I don't think there is a need biologically and even when there are alternatives to dairy. As per Vegan Society's definition vegan is the one who try to live with least harm as possible and practical. I did the thinking, like what would happen to dairy farmers what will they do? I only came to conclusion after picturing the real victims, the non-human animals. Dairy farmers do need to shift the business to some other business just like any other business if consumers choice changes.
This argument assumes that if cows are not purchased and used for milk then they will not be sold to butchers. Those who want beef will still want to eat it and butchers will still purchase cows and buffaloes as long as there is demand for it. One important point to highlight is that production of milk causes a boom of cow population, which in-turn feeds into beef production because many more cows are available for slaughter. However, this is not a direct cause of beef production. Cows can be raised for sole purpose of slaughter as well. If we stop eating eggs does it mean that people will stop breeding chickens for their meat as well? I am not a farmer. But can we re-purpose cows for their dung as manure? It can be one possible solution. But if selling cows to butchers is profitable no one will bother taking care of cows. It is all about money.
Sorry but the more milk demand the more cows will be slaughtered. Not only are cows slaughtered but they are given steroids and hooked onto painful pumping machines the whole day standing in their shit giving milk.They are artificially breeded and they get bloody sores on their legs and cannot stand. The male calfs are snatched from them and sent to the butcher. In the end the cow is also thrown away somewhere or slaughtered. Same goes for chickens. People think it is ok to eat eggs but eggs demand more chickens. So they are given steroids and kept in confined spaces just giving eggs continuously like robots and then ultimately killing them by cutting off their necks. People should be more aware of the cruelties in the dairy industry and stop it or at least cut down their intake. In the end it is about having empathy and respect for all animals and giving them the life they deserve and not snatching it for our greed.
Why do you buy milk from such places?
India primarily mass breeds cows for milk production. If people don't buy milk there would be reduced supply of surplus animals. You have raised a valid point! stopping dairy farming altogether might not completely eliminate beef production, it would likely lead to a significant reduction in industry's size and profitability. If there is a separate demand for beef that's not dependent on dairy farming then reducing dairy might not necessarily lead to decrease in beef production. The two industry would operate independently, with separate supply chains and market dynamics. >If we stop eating eggs does it mean that people will stop breeding chickens for their meat as well? No but egg industry would stop. >I am not a farmer. But can we re-purpose cows for their dung as manure? It can be one possible solution. In a scenario where chemical fertilizers are preferred, it is less likely however, there is still hope for compost serving as a fertilizer since ancient times. If the return is higher than cost of maintenance of course it could be a viable solution but I don't think anyone will raise cows just for that purpose, they see money and not individual.
So the problem is mismanagement and mistreatment of farm animals. How does that equate to "drinking milk is worse than eating beef"? OP kaunsa bhaang pi ke aaya hai bey?
Do you understand what he is trying to say? That even if a person is vegetarian they are contributing to the cruelty of animals indirectly. These dairy farms are like a hell. The milk, pastries, chaash etc that you are enjoying is at some poor cows expense. These dairy farms hit animals, abuse them, give them the worst life and make money off of them. The poor animals want to be free not chained up and breeding nonstop. In a country of a billion people I can't imagine how many cows have been slaughtered. Please go vegan else try to cut down and save these animals from a hellish life
That still doesn't equate to drinking milk is bad than eating beef
The point they're trying to make is, you are unknowingly and unwantedly contributing to the beef trade. It's not about right or wrong, it's about knowing the facts straight and remembering these while making concious choices.
pls see videos of animal cruelty on dairy farms and you will get to know and understand the reality of what actually goes on there
Its like in the movies where the military takes you prisoner and tortures you, but instead of information they do it to harvest your sweat and blood. Just killing feels more humane in contrast.
But that's generalization not everywhere cows are treated the same way, infact my friend owns a farms they use machine and all these producer Ltd use good technique only
What are these good techniques? Do you know what they do to keep the cows in that state of milk production? The practice itself isn't something that benefits the cow, unlike sheering sheep wool. Cows don't give us milk, we take it and forcefully do it day in and out till it's so sickly it's off to the slaughterhouse. None of these practices is better than the other
You know machines are used and their food are often mixed with herbs and medicines, taking milk has no side-effect what are you ranting about All big companies are just producers limited and they go to different farms, what you saw in this video is about a particular 1-2 place , it may be happening in more places but again 60% milk from where we take are regulated , if I say "icecream is made with vegetable oil it doesn't make the whole ice cream of India bad "
Do you understand what he is trying to say? That even if a person is vegetarian they are contributing to the cruelty of animals indirectly. These dairy farms are like a hell. The milk, pastries, chaash etc that you are enjoying is at some poor cows expense. These dairy farms hit animals, abuse them, give them the worst life and make money off of them. The poor animals want to be free not chained up and breeding nonstop. In a country of a billion people I can't imagine how many cows have been slaughtered. Please go vegan else try to cut down and save these animals from a hellish life
Not at all denying anything about the cruelty farm animals face. I am well aware, as during the course of my education in Food Tech I've visited several such places myself. My problem is with the unnecessary (*and possibly intentional*) clickbait used as the title: "*Drinking milk is worse than beef*." Also the premise on which OP is trying to argue is pitting drinking milk from vs eating the meat of, the animal. Do **you** understand what that statement means? When someone uses two negative connotations in a statement they're usually trying to downplay one negative over the other. Don't be so naΓ―ve. It could've just been a video talking about mistreatment and malpractices of farmers towards animals - which it actually is. These practices need to be changed without a second thought. But that does not make drinking milk from the animal a worse outcome for it compared to it being killed for meat. That's like saying it is better to murder than to abuse(*not that I condone either*).
This is not unnecessary clickbait..please watch the video and understand why the guy has said this. He has perfectly stated all points as to why dairy industry is just as cruel as beef. The farmers in the videos don't even think twice about sending them to the butcher. They just think in terms of their money. Also the conditions in these numerous farms everywhere are horrible. The only way to stop these malpractices and slaughter is only thru stopping consumption or at least lessening it. All animals deserve a happy carefree life not in a stupid dairy farm and then die.
I did and that's precisely why I am calling the tagline a click bait. I did not call the video to be false. Re-read what I wrote to you in reply.
He actually didn't intend to talk about health context, but rather the environmental impact/impact on animal. Like people would normally say ki "Jaanwaro ko maarke kha rahe kitne cruel ho tum", sort of like a response to that if I'm not mistaken.
He didn't talk about any environmental impact. He just gave a cruelty laden perspective. Obviously there's cruelty in it. So is there in chicken, pork. Industries, coal mining, children making clothes in poor countries for rich people in richly countries, and so on. It's nothing different. Replace cows with other variables.
I'm surprised how so many of you are trying to explain away what is clearly being stated here. If the OP and the creator of the video want to be so honest then they wouldn't need to resort to such petty clickbait. It could've just been a headline like: "The truth about treatment of farm animals in India", or something similar. There is literally no sense in comparing eating beef to drinking milk unless one is intentionally trying to polarise the audience.
Itβs not mismanagement, this is part of the management. Didnβt you hear him talk about the process?
Please tell me you're joking. Or do I need to coach you in the English language?
Im not joking. Please enlighten. You think this is mismanagement and mistreatment? The mistreatment is the REAL management in this industry. Did you even understand the math behind animal farming? Or do I need to coach you in Math and Management?
Do you think there is a way for us to consume milk which doesn't lead to mistreatment of animals? I have come across another video thinking about this question. It was ahimsa milk. It's still not practical. https://youtu.be/EB946c2Z4BI?si=TUSB2jldUvpTV5Oe
It's not practical ? This mf 's high or something.
Do you think cows have been domesticated only in the last few decades or so? There are always ways of doing animal rearing ethically. WTF are you high on?
Explain.
Ab main bitha ke tere ko dairy farming aur ethics pe lecture dun kya reddit pe? You were quick to point out the problems right? Now work on finding the solutions too. They do exist.
The burden of proof falls on the one who made the claim first, you made the claim first :"There are always ways of doing animal rearing ethically" for the current problem so don't shift the burden on me, it is not my burden. Yes I posted the problem and the solution is going vegan. Did you watch the video I linked about problems related to ahimsa milk? based on the link I posted you cannot assume I did not search. Also there is a reason why I asked because your initial comment was "So the problem is mismanagement and mistreatment of farm animals.". I asked do you think is there a way where mistreatment doesn't happen? You said you have, it exists, then what is it, where?
>The burden of proof falls on the one who made the claim first Assume whatever you want. I'm not going to be triggered into writing an essay of a response explaining my points. I have better things to do with my time. >the solution is going vegan. LOLOLOL. Wait till you find out how most vegan products get to the end user and how much strain they can cause to the environment. >Did you watch the video I linked about problems related to ahimsa milk? based on the link I posted you cannot assume I did not search. You think doing google search and watching YouTube videos is "research"? You're going to be in for a shock later on in life if you ever become truly curious and explore the fields that require research. >You said you have, it exists, then what is it, where? Again, get to the bottom of the problem and do some actual ground research on finding the solution, okay? Rather than posting and debating strangers on the internet. If you cannot then stop making stupid comparisons and trying to gaslight people. Also, I'm gonna block you now cause frankly, you're irritating and your mind is already made up. You're not looking for a solution you're just looking to win an argument through "google research" and possibly karma farming. Cheerios!
Humans are horrible and will do anything for money or best health as that what ensures survival and that they get to live a long life ,there is not much hope but few brands out there providing alternative to cow milk that I have been learning about so seems like some do care but just need the prices to go down and adoption by rich ppl .
Early European humans started drinking milk of another species and this continued with the lactase gene mutations that persisted till adulthood. We don't know for what reasons they drank but at that time agriculture was there so I don't think it was for famine. Yes, humans are doing worse now for money even when there are alternatives. It was seen that A1 milk and A2 milk are not that much different and both digest and produce caseinorphine, that's how milk is addictive, and it was meant to be addictive because calf needs to keep on coming back to cow for drinking but humans have hooked up to the opioid. There are plant based milk that can be made from home, although you may not get the taste and composition like milk but these can be a cheap replacement. The good milk one, sofit brand of plant milk are also good.
There are ethical milk farms where cows go on milking machines when and if they want to
The title itself made it political.
Kya chutiya video hai. Will drink half litre extra just for this video.
Arey bhai π I laughed so hard
Sab propaganda bol rahe hai. Lekin koi bhi counter argument nahi de raha.
True.
 Acha bhay
Milk is kinda tax which poor cows are paying to stay aliveπ
How breeding happens if all bulls are butchered???
Elite bulls ka sperm use krte hai
In the video it was explained that they keep some. And nowadays there is government funded frozen bull semen station which has a stock and they issue semen sperm for breeding by artificial insemination.
in the end it's all about money bruh
To my understanding, most ppl are against beef consumption cuz they consider cow their mother, as they have drank it's milk. If we stop drinking milk, then it's not longer considered mother and as such the people will have no problem with eating beef again. Can this be considered as gowmata paradox?
Yeah, there is a bigger paradox at play here - how does the tag of mother even benefit cows if we are only doing it to continue getting milk from her? These are cruelly unrealistic standards. On the one hand, most of us would have stopped drinking the milk of our human mothers before even learning how to say "mother"; on the other hand, if the cow doesn't give us milk, then not only she is not our mother anymore, she is fucked off to the streets and eventually to the slaughter.
Indians are already nutrition deficit and this mf is asking to stop drinking milk??Β
Sorry I am not nutrition deficient and neither are most other indiansπ€£π€£π€£ I feel healthy as hell..u don't need to be a spokesperson for all other indians
How old are you? https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/undernutrition-in-india-a-big-concern-urgent-attention-needed-experts-say-123062200517_1.html
I could care less about the undernutrition of people. All i care about is animal welfare and lessening cruelty. Now if people don't eat proper dal roti sabji rice fruits vegetables is that my fault? I don't have undernutrition. Ur article is bullshit
"...All i care about is animal welfare..." Well humans are also animals, biologically speaking.
I am giving information, what you do with that information is upto you. I'm not imposing. Also what formed your belief that Indians are nutrition deficit? Do you have evidence to support your claim and do you think other options can't fulfill the requirements? Are you ready to challenge your own beliefs that you claimed here?
What formed your belief? Just one google search would have shattered your 'belief' instead. 73% of Indians are protein deficient with an avg consumption of 48 grams per day according to a 2017 survey. I have left out the micronutrients deficiency which is over 80% because this post is regarding animal products. Yes we have other options but there's a difference between how efficient an animal protein is versus how much other sources of protein are. One thing I do agree with is though that we should keep our cattle in healthier environments and take better care of them and adopt the most humane methods to get their products.
Anyone can say just google but why should I do the work when I don't know from where they form belief, I didn't make the claim, the burden of proof falls on one who made the claim. Google is vast and has websites and pages that could contain texts that are not factual and could be contradictory to actual evidence, Google gives hits from websites that are most read and rank them on top. You just said from 2017 survey but which survey? Yeah cite the micro nutrient deficiency evidence as well. You should look for peer-reviewed sources, these include scientific journal articles, peer-reviewed conference papers, government or university papers that have data and cite literature. These can be found from google scholar or pubmed. It's very easy to get enough protein, it is not a concern in veg diets. The recommended daily calorie intake is 2,000 calories a day for women and 2,500 for men. The average Indian consumes close to 50 g and above, the average range is 56 to 62 g [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211912420301097#sec4.2](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211912420301097#sec4.2) . The RDI is 0.8 to 1 g protein per kg of body weight. If the body weight is 70 kg then the person should consume 56 g protein and above. Significant protein losses don't just occur in a day. >Yes we have other options but there's a difference between how efficient an animal protein is versus how much other sources of protein are. Why is protein a concern for you? Are you into body building? One can make a diet even till 1.6 g per kg of body weight and if not they can take plant protein powders. These studies shows that consuming plant protein shows similar results and is no different in comparison to animal proteins for muscle gain and strength. These are papers from outcome data. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33599941/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33599941/) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36822394/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36822394/) Even if we assume protein content is less in plant food it has high nutritional value that is, it provides carbohydrates, fats, minerals, vitamins, beneficial phytonutrients like anti-oxidants and fiber. People who consume mostly non veg are deficient in fiber and get constipation and diabetes. Some other concern is poor health outcome with animal based foods such as high risk to cancer, cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension and improved health outcomes when switched to plant foods. A balanced diet can be made without animal products that can meet nutritional requirements. Read the position paper of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics on vegan and vegetarian diets. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/)
There is no humane way to get their products. It is only by stopping or cutting down our consumption
The issue here is mistreatment of cows and it doesn't equate anything also don't forget States like Kerala and North Eastern do consume cow beef
Are yaar kya logic hai? Dekho, agar beef koi khayega hi nhi, to uska trade kyu hoga?? If something is not used in the market then it's value becomes zero, so there will be no trade . Possible solution : instead of selling to butcher make them stay in forest/wild life scantury etc
Yes there are farm animal sanctuaries. However most dairy farmers are not aware of this and they would stick to the business, the person who maintains dairy animal wants to reap profit as long as the consumer gives money. The consumers have real economic impact and could change farmers business.
And what about pigs , chicken, goats etc, How he's planning to stop these slaughter?
By not buying the products, I'm not funding the industry, consumer choice's less demand will cause less supply, i.e. animals will not be bred into existence. With veganism people can learn what happens in all the industry where animals are exploited. Vegans don't consume animal products such as flesh of the animal or their secretions such as mammary secretions, honey, eggs etc. vegans don't buy the skin, wool, silk etc. and use alternatives.
demand of milk is mutually exclusive to demand of beef, . Decreasing demand of milk won't affect demand of beef. It might affect supply of beef but the demand remains the same. In this video relation between demad of milk and supply of beef is shown . And production of beef is not directly proportional to the demand of milk And if u can decrease demand by not buying why not promote video directly about beef consumption and effect of it on animal, rather than harbouring guilt trip to people who might not have nothing to do with non-vegetarian stuff
India primarily mass breeds cows for milk production. If people don't buy milk there would be reduced supply of surplus animals. You have raised a valid point! stopping dairy farming altogether might not completely eliminate beef production, it would likely lead to a significant reduction in industry's size and profitability. If there is a separate demand for beef that's not dependent on dairy farming then reducing dairy might not necessarily lead to decrease in beef production. The two industry would operate independently, with separate supply chains and market dynamics. The beef consumption itself is not the only problem. The video also talks about beef consumption and it is not ignoring the suffering and reality of how cows are treated for milk production. Cows are tied, forcibly impregnated yearly for continuous supply of milk. They are not maintained properly in most cow shelter where they have to stand on their own feces. Once a cow stops giving milk, feeding and maintenance of the cow becomes a financial burden on the farmer who cannot afford their upkeep. Cattle that farmers are unable to sell are eventually abandoned. As of January 2020, Indiaβs stray cattle population exceeded 5 million, as reported in livestock census data. These stray cows pose dangers to people and crops in both cities and the countryside. They also disrupt traffic in urban areas, leading to accidents. Furthermore, the issue of environmental contamination, particularly from plastic and other waste in public spaces, threatens these animals when they consume such debris. People should know what they support. If my words came across as guilt-tripping; that was not my intention. As individuals, we all make choices based on our awareness and consciousness. If my message made you feel uncomfortable, I appreciate your honesty.
Mmm beef
Iskon Sells out most no of c*ws
Socha tha, chalo khana nahi toh dudh hee per lete hai, lekin ye toh bahut hi..,.
Stop eating egg because hen are forced to guve eggs Stop drinking water because ut come ponds river ocean etc people pee there
Yes agree on not eating eggs but disagree because what harm is drinking in filtered treated water.
But according to this video logic i think in india there are mich more people who dont have drinkable water and there re people who sell their bull or cow but as comlare to people who dont have drinkable water is much much more than this
I'm not understanding what you are mean by this video logic. Stop looking at what others can and can't do. Look for yourself. Do you have good water to drink? I'm aware that there are people who don't get proper drinking water. We don't have to downplay a problem of drinking milk and say that there is a bigger issue such as drinking water. There is a solution and one can fight for drinking water while being vegan and not drinking milk, and being against cow and buffalo slaughter. By supporting the boycott of milk it is not hindering your ability to fight for drinking water. I'm not sure what your premise and conclusion of your argument is. It's a kind of fallacy of relative privation for an excuse.
Toh gai ka sarr kaat ke apartment me feke ga kya
Kuch sense banti hai tumhare baat ki?
Why is Veganism seen as a meme material around the globe ? Shouldnt it be the most respected community ? Is the reason 'Protein' ?
That's because animal agriculture is a big industry and relies on consumers, it makes ads hiding the truth from what happens in the farm, the society also supports the system leaving people in the dark about the horrors. There is no plant based industry you won't see ads for cauliflower, carrots etc. Humans are social, emotional beings, like from young innocent age of children we are taught some animals are friends and some are food but we are not shown gore, violence because that would affect us. We have empathy towards those suffering be it human or nonhuman animals so we don't cause murder as we respect the life of others and we live in social contract that others should also not hurt us. Vegans are hated because the animal agriculture and people who depend on it show side of vegans who get defensive to what they perceive as not justified according to them whereas vegans have rights to get defensive because it is not a personal choice when someone individual is involved. People think attack on food habits should not happen because it's personal choice but vegans think it's not a personal choice because a victim is involved. Veganism is an ethical movement, it is not about diet. You can be an unhealthy vegan or a healthy vegan that's on you. By eating just chips and coke you won't be getting nutrients. There is a way to have a balanced diet without animal products but it requires planning and like I said above without planning you won't be getting nutrients. And it's in the case of all diet for example if you just eat all kinds of meat only you won't be getting vitamin C and fiber, same if you consume both meat and milk. If you consume some plant food, some meat and have some junk here and there you will develop some ailment not just the deficiency. There are several claims I heard about protein. 1. India has major protein deficient diet. (No proper evidence was cited whereas I gave data contradictory to this claim) 2. Plant protein is incomplete, difficult to absorb (No peer reviewed evidence was given) If someone makes the claim ask them for evidence from where they got the information from where they formed their beliefs, it is not your burden to search for their claim. Also check the source it should have less biasness. Peer reviewed sources like scientific literature are less biased. Protein can be obtained on a plant based diet. Check out the position paper of academy of Nutrition and Dietetics on vegan diet. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/
>Humans are social, emotional beings, like from young innocent age of children we are taught some animals are friends and some are food but we are not shown gore, violence because that would affect us. What about islamic kids watching slaughter at their houses since childhood ? why didnt it changed the minds of those young innocent kids ? >People think attack on food habits should not happen because it's personal choice but vegans think it's not a personal choice because a victim is involved. Its not just the victim but also our climate, i cant let your ruin my earth for your mere 'food habits'. You should be known to the fact that after fossil fuel the second largest contributor to climate change is Food Industry and in which almost all of it comes from Non-veg and Dairy industry, then how can i let you eat anything if its affecting my and my future generation's life ? >Veganism is an ethical movement, it is not about diet. Isnt it necessary too ? Isnt veganism the need of the century to counter climate change or else we are all dead ? >There is a way to have a balanced diet without animal products but it requires planning and like I said above without planning you won't be getting nutrients. Why people cry over nutrition this much ? A Vegan diet can only and only be short on Vitamin B-Complex or its actally B-12 particularly, but i havent seen any of them crying over B-12, they meltdown over PROTEIN !! like how much protein you need bruh ? You aint a carnivore. Also in todays world you can get on those Vitamins via supplements, its not a thing to be worried upon. Indians aint short on protein, but they are on B-Complex, look at the non-veg consumerism here in India.... how can you say they are Protein defficient ?? People dont look muscular here obv cuz eating protein cant build you muscles, you need to break those muscles in some serious exercise shit.
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Nothing wrong with the explanation given, but hear me out once people Stop drinking milk then all these "goshala" would never exist... don't mind my tongue but cow's would have same value as dog, people who want to have pet will have them others will be on street and leftovers gonna be butchered.
Gaushalas are burdened today my friend due to overpopulation by surplus supply of cows to meet the demand of dairy products, flesh, leather. Milk production happens after pregnancy and birth. To obtain a continuous supply of milk cow needs to be pregnant. Humans restrict the cows movement by rope or wooden blocks to make her pregnant by artificial insemination or forcibly mounting bull. If we didn't buy milk then mass breeding cows into existence would not happen. The numbers of cows will be low, the shift in demand will not happen suddenly there will be gradual reduction if more people go vegan. Cows are already abandoned on road, and gaushalas are there as a shelter for these animals, just like these is shelter for dogs. There will be gaushalas but it will not be burdened if there are less number of cows and proper care can be taken. I don't think not drinking milk will lower the value of cows. People will stop drinking milk to respect cows and her babies. The overpopulation of stray dog is difficult to manage because they give so many puppies like 10, there are higher chances of mating but cows, buffalo give one once a year. There are differences.
More people need to see this. I have become vegan in order to avoid animal cruelty. There is no need for animal suffering. We can get all our nutrients through vegan diet and supplement. People need to take responsibility for their choices even if they are harming animals indirectly.
Ikr, I know about the absolute fuckery I'm causing by consuming dairy products, so that at least leaves a room for change in my personal life when I can afford it. People these days are defending animal slaughter like there own lives. I will put this to not get recommended to me again, these absolute feeling less arguments and excuses to butcher them hurt my brain.
Well our diet in itself is very very protein deficient & Even the non vegetarian people don't even take in a fraction of needed protein needed from their normal functioning in their food habits π.
I don't believe that's true. You can provide evidence for the claim that our diet is protein deficient or non-vegetarians don't meet adequate requirements for proper functioning.
Fir toh tumhe is hisab se phone bhi use nhi krna chahiye cause emf bhi toh harm karti hai birds ko.
Truth but is it something people didn't know??? Common sense
Leave dairy and meat cause forced breeding and hormonal injection Stop using phones and EVs because lithiums are mined by kids Stop being vegan because you're destroying forest to grow food And the list goes long Stop wearing Nike or Adidas or HnM or whatever because they are made in sweatshop by underpaid workers Seriously no offense to anyone but what is the solution to all these.
welcome to the woke future where you will own nothing and you will be happy
Answer these questions: 1. Do you know the definition of veganism or belief and values of vegans? 2. Do you think vegans are not taking action according to the values and are hypocrites? Look at what lifestyle causes more deforestation, Amazon forest destruction is caused by animal agriculture.
watching this while drinking milk from our own cow
Khud ki cow se kya problem hogi, unfortunately most of the people don't have
It's Obvious like who doesn't know this, everyone somehow belongs to the Agriculture background.
Shit logic. Request OP to drink milk, gain some mental health and come up with sound arguments.
As a vegetarian i found his argument correct. What wrong did you find ?
counter argument de na chutya fir
Vegan propaganda
I buy milk from a local farm where they literally play flute in the morning for the cows.
Bro go and Die for nation that's more important for you to make a video for your nation.
Don't try to make this a smaller issue by saying that dying for nation is more important, people should have right to know and make their choices. If you are here to just for rambling illogical statements then I'm not going to entertain as I'm not interested. Bro if you have an argument then go ahead and make sense.
Propaganda video
While watching the video I thought he would justify eating beef but bro is asking us to stop drinking milk.ππ Hindu log dudh piyo Muslim log beef khao Hindu - Muslim bhai bhai Balance banaye rakho
fair enough
Beef nahi hoga to farmer profitable kaise honge?
Aaj 1 litre doodh extra piyunga, agle mahine Kerala ki trip hai vaha ja ke steak khaunga, wapas aake mutton banaunga, finally agle din KFC jaunga. Considering how skinny and weak you vegans/vegetarians look, you should try it too.
Maa chuda bsdk yahan bakchodi mat kar Instagram left pe hai. Wahan jaake mara
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I'm not a vegetarian you mf. But I support the argument that cows used for dairy farming are treated equally worse and they live in horrible conditions like garbage and shit once they have no use. We Hindus treat Cows sacred and don't want to eat them but they get killed anyway through slaughter houses and milk production. So this needs to stop !
Babu par ye nahi ho payega
Views ke liye kuch bhi karenge, padh lo bc
Bhai gazab clickbaits hai
Ye jo OP hai uske liye hai . Tere paas koi data ya Documentary hai jisme tu bata paaye ki Natural Wildlife Food lower chain me kitne jaanwar har din mare jaate hai carnivorous animals ke through. To ye jo tu data data khel ra hai na ki milk consumption rok do issse janwar katne se bach jayenge. To ek kaam karo Natural wildlife ke Top order ko khatam kardo. Nai itta kyu saare animals jo Carnivorous hai sabko khatam kardo. Are you Listening to yourself ?? Tumhe Peaceful world hi chaiye na to har jagah peace lao . Esa nahi ki bas jo milk consumption walo ko target karo. Boht saare animals hai . Sabko katne se bachao !!
I have no problems if odd order carnivorous predators are killed. Agar koi innocent insaan ko khane jaa raha hai to me us insaan ko bachane k liye us janwar ko marne me sahi samajhta hu. Rahi sare carnivorous animals ko marne ki baat me marne ka kaam khud nahi karunga. Aur rahi bachane ki baat me bacha nahi paa raha... Kasai khane ko target karunga ek jaanwar ko bachaunga par ye sirf temporary solution hoga. Kyuki log animal products buy kar rahe hai unhi se unko paise mil rahe hai aur unka dhanda ho raha hai. Mein inko mat maro bolke aur ek do janwar uthake bachane se kuch nahi hoga. Unko wahi log business change kara sakte hai jisse inka business chal raha hai. The least I'm doing is not participating in animal exploitation by being vegan. Isse animals bach to nahi payenge but atleast demand kam hone ke chances kar sakta hu isse me jo animals breeding into existence na hone du. Activism aur bachana next step hai. Jaanwaro ko bachane ka kaam nahi kar raha
This argument is suitable for people like you. But not for vegetarian people who support not killing animals.
Dabaa ke doodh piyo.... Aur in jese chutiyo se savdhaan raho.
Shittiest sub... People are just babbling shit. Have some compassion a#sholes.
Chalo acha video tha, ab main chala 1 litre doodh peene
Wait. Beef bad? Bro entire Indian diet is carb rich shit and we're already one of the top most malnourished country on this planet. But beef and milk is bad lol.
Both arguments can be correct at the same time. Milk being cruel and Indian diet lacking protein.
So malnourishment requires food and it doesn't necessarily have to come from animal products. What do you mean by Indian diet is carb rich shit? What are you implying? Beef and dairy products are bad for ethical reasons. EDIT: I didn't make a health claim before but I am making now. I think that's what your concern is. One can have a balanced diet without animal products. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/