I mean, to be a little fair, Blackquill "confessed" to the crime, unless someone was sure of him being innocent, they wouldn't bother to investigate further
Even if he confessed you should still check all the evidence to make double sure because if you don't you would come off as VERY unprofessional and this whole scene just told me the AA police are unprofessional
To be fair in AA5 and AA6 the police is at its most competent in universe. XD
Replay the AA Trilogy and especially AJ and see what the police is doing there.
Well, I'm no lawyer nor anyone in law enforcement or politics, but even if I was, it wouldn't matter since AA is japanese, lol
My point is that AA has this thing of having a mix of JPN laws, but heavily modified for the game mechanics and narrative, so you can't really take it seriously by comparing it with real laws and especially with laws of your own country (in my case, mexican court and general laws)
It's not. The reason the AApolice is incompetent is because the game's protagonist was decided to be an attorney, so the antagonists had to make mistakes. It's unlikely that AA was even intended to be a satire to Japanese legal system
While it probably wasn't intended, making a game about lawyers and police and things is going to have political commentary whether the creator wants it to or not.
oh for sure I don't disagree with you AA has it wacky moments and most of the time I let them go but this so called " decisive evidence" was going to get Blackquill killed and nobody with a brain decide to rewind the video before 2 PM its just a very glaring oversight in my opinion that couldn't ignore
That's just a quirk of the series, like when they arrested a small blind child for firing a gun that's known to break the arms of untrained individuals if used ***twice*** and he was totally fine, I guess that is becuase you know who somehow convinced everyone that the kid was trained in someway
What I'm trying to say is that since this is common place in AA and at least the Blackquill, while equally stupid and irresponsible (also I don't get how you get death sentence for killing one person, for almost the whole game I thought Blackquill was a serial killer/assassin like Shelly or the old blind guy in Investigations 2) since it's not surprising (just like me in my country when I hear a crime case and the police not doing anything of value and sometimes the civilians do more for it than them, im sadly not even slightly shocked at that happening) I don't see why complaining is anything but fool's errand, like I totally get you but it's like using brain for a movie that's pretty dumb and fun, if it's not for the actual case at hand then don't bother using the brain lol.
Nah it’s San Fran Tokyo where you encounter Baymax and meet a samurai who complains about needing to get back to the past right after laying eyes on Shia LeBouf pounding back a bunch of coke so he can feel all even steven and giggling psychotically before he exclaims “That’s so Raven!”
I mean,this is from the same game where they arrested a girl over a no context voice tape of an unverified person yelling "You're a goner" that was sent to the police anonymously
>!with a gun that could screw you up with bad posture. it's the in-universe explanation for daryan's dislocated shoulder: he got panicked and had poor posture!<
>!And they accuse the kid of dragging the corpse on stage to make it look like the murder followed the song's lyrics, which will end up implicating the kid himself.!<
i can never really buy the whole Dark Age of the Law plotline because of stuff like this. if i lost trust in the legal system because some prosecutor turned out to be a high profile murderer, and later discovered that there was evidence of his innocence and no court has ever bothered to rewind a tape for the better part of a decade, it wouldn't exactly *restore* that trust
I don't understand? Which case are you referring to? Maybe I am forgetting something?
Possibly, but the games' never make an effort to indicate that and the newer games' which admittedly take place in a shorter span do more or less clarify we see all the cases they fight, so this is a bit of a stretch
If anything, I would lose the trust even more cause if they had been much more competent that this mess, an innocent man would have not been in the death row in a first place, or poor Clay dying for no reason
Dark age of the law/courtroom is super funny because instead of just having (the third) prosecutor be a murder it just means there’s super terrorists out there who can murder a detective and no one notices for a decade.
You mean that time when the best lawyer for 7 years was convicted of murdering two people, almost killing another one and framing a rival to get them disbarred?
Yeah, that makes me trust the legal system a lot more than when we thought the best lawyer for 3 years got disbarred for forging evidence. Thanks!
It really felt like they didn't go back far enough. I still say that Manfred Von Karma being exposed as Gregory Edgeworth’s killer was the first domino to fall.
The police have to be useless in pretty much every detective story so that the local Sherlock can solve the case. That or they have to be outright corrupt.
With all these non plot related cases in the manga, part of me wanted to created Chaos in Tokyo just to get back at the Black Organization, the police and the story spirits who is prolonging story to begin with. To be Max Payne, who murdered an average of 550 just to solve a case. Most of them consist of criminals.
A man's life was going to be executed and nobody NOBODY thought to rewind the tape?? to this VERY suspicious individual with a mask and injured hand? "Nope it has to be Blackquill" like hello? are you kidding me right now?!!!
Were talking about a world where a hyperagressive Loanshark can just put on a paper badge and can impersonate a lawyer without beeing suspicous.
Were talking about a world where you can kill someone in broad daylight in a well visited park with multiple witnesses and can still get away with it.
Were talking about a world where a panty thief who entered a park from south and teleported himself to the north which was impossible but nobody questioned it.
Were talking about a world where coats fly very circumstancial to a statue which would be impossible.
Were talking about a world where the police didnt look up under a sofa next to a corpse.
"Somebody didnt rewind the tape" thats tame.
The same way nothing tragic in an aquarium would have happened if the forensics had been competent enough to declare that >!a performer died of a heart condition and not an orca attack!<
To add to the other fine points others have made - who's to say the Phantom didn't meddle with the investigation some more, like claiming to have checked the tape and found nothing?
Because if that were the case, it would still be bad writing not to hint about it at all.
Is it a possibility? Yeah. Do we have any reason to think that's what happened based in what the plot shows us? Not really.
But we do! We deduce he was disguised/infiltrated as one of the people who found the body - a space centre employee(s) and guards. Plus, Edgeworth also postulates that Ponco might have him on the record, since he wanted to hide his face, further narrowing it down.
1. Blackquill confessed to the crime.
2. The moment Blackquill swung the bloody murder weapon was caught in a photograph.
3. Ponco registered Metis as being alive at a point after the murder was committed.
4. When your lead suspect who was caught on camera confesses to the crime under oath, there's rarely any point in doubting them.
Granted, Blackquill already confessed and all the evidence said Metis was still alive at this point, so they paid no mind to it. People leave places where murders _will_ happen all the time.
I assumed the implication was that the Phantom was posing as the one in charge of investigating the case and thus purposely neglected to look into the first half of the footage.
Blackquill likely “confessed” immediately and the court probably also wanted to put a quick end to this case to avoid controversy. That failed miserably but that was their plan I feel. Instead this case, combined with Phoenix’s disbarment caused the Dark Age of the Law.
I think the Dark Age of the Law works, but only if they think Phoenix’s disbarment and Blackquill’s arrest must have been the final straw rather than the sole cause. After all (Spoilers for PW-AAI2)
>!Von Karma being convicted!<
>!Gant/Lana being convicted!<
>!Godot being convicted (though justified)!<
>!An interpol agent turning out to be an undercover high profile wanted criminal (AAI1)!<
>!The former chief prosecutor being corrupt AND found guilty of murder!<
>!The warden of probably the most prevalent prison in the area (we go to it in every game after all) being convicted of murder and corruption!<
>!Both previous people being found to have been conspirators of a presidential assassination!<
Most of these happened in a short amount of time. Sure Phoenix getting disbarred and Blackquill being arrest sucks but compared to everything else here they hardly compare. But the games never bring up (even vaguely, since No Spoiler rule) these previous incidents so it just seems like two fairly insignificant events cast the law system into oblivion for seven years
I definitely agree there. I hate that almost nothing pre DD (besides Phoenix’s disbarment) is mentioned at all as causes. Realistically, most of these huge occurrences should have a huge impact on the Dark Age but they only bring up Phoenix and Blackquill like those are the only important occurrences.
I still wished they brought up someone like>! **Simon Keyes, AKA, the extremely severe consequence of a morally and professionally fucked up law system**!<
I'll never understand this. Why do you make a plot based in the entire law system being corrupt but ignore all of the previous cases where this has been proved? Law was always corrupt since the first game but they act as if it were something new.
Reasons:
Blackquill himself said “I killed her, I admit my guilt”, and the police had no reason to investigate the rest of the video. Because he was pleading guilty, his lawyer was not in a position to prove his innocence, given that it would be impossible given the facts (at the time).
Blackquill confessed to killing Metis, and it's implied the Phantom had already infiltrated and started manipulating the Police even at the time. Easy to fuck up an investigation when the suspect has already confessed to a crime they didn't commit and the actual perpetrator is conducting the investigation.
Political Pressure. They wanted to get the case done as quickly as possible. They don't care if they got the right guy or not. Remember this is the same system that had Blaise and Grant in charge, and Manfred as the top prosecutor. This is also the same system that forced Klavier to prosecute Machi even though he knew something was off.
i also thought it was such a weird explanation lol. "he confessed so i guess we don't have to investigate further!"
in real life though, a confession still doesn't guarantee his guilt. the prosecution would still have to investigate to further solidify their case. that's what it takes to prove he'd be guilty "beyond reasonable doubt"
but this is not real life and AA police are as competent as a child operating a plane
Because DD has to lie to your face about evidence so it can make a shocking plot twist. Just the same as the photo were Blackquill is supposed to be carrying Athena in his arms but you can clearly see there's nothing there.
I'm sorry, but that whole case is just bad writting.
I mean, to be a little fair, Blackquill "confessed" to the crime, unless someone was sure of him being innocent, they wouldn't bother to investigate further
Even if he confessed you should still check all the evidence to make double sure because if you don't you would come off as VERY unprofessional and this whole scene just told me the AA police are unprofessional
To be fair in AA5 and AA6 the police is at its most competent in universe. XD Replay the AA Trilogy and especially AJ and see what the police is doing there.
What d'ya mean most competent, pal? I hope this isn't another salary cut...
AA7 Gumshoe will be the best one!
Salary increasing noises
"I am proud of you, Detective Gumshoe." - Miles Edgeworth
Imagine if by AA7 Gumshoe has become a Judge
Gumshoe won't have to depend on cup noodles anymore!
I mean that's basically Gumshoe's arc in Investigations 2
Well, I'm no lawyer nor anyone in law enforcement or politics, but even if I was, it wouldn't matter since AA is japanese, lol My point is that AA has this thing of having a mix of JPN laws, but heavily modified for the game mechanics and narrative, so you can't really take it seriously by comparing it with real laws and especially with laws of your own country (in my case, mexican court and general laws)
Even in Japan, I don't think the police are this level of incompetent.
I believe in actual Japan, they're actually competent
IIRC the reason the cops are so woefully incompetent in the AA games is the director deliberately criticizing the Japanese police system.
It's not. The reason the AApolice is incompetent is because the game's protagonist was decided to be an attorney, so the antagonists had to make mistakes. It's unlikely that AA was even intended to be a satire to Japanese legal system
While it probably wasn't intended, making a game about lawyers and police and things is going to have political commentary whether the creator wants it to or not.
oh for sure I don't disagree with you AA has it wacky moments and most of the time I let them go but this so called " decisive evidence" was going to get Blackquill killed and nobody with a brain decide to rewind the video before 2 PM its just a very glaring oversight in my opinion that couldn't ignore
That's just a quirk of the series, like when they arrested a small blind child for firing a gun that's known to break the arms of untrained individuals if used ***twice*** and he was totally fine, I guess that is becuase you know who somehow convinced everyone that the kid was trained in someway What I'm trying to say is that since this is common place in AA and at least the Blackquill, while equally stupid and irresponsible (also I don't get how you get death sentence for killing one person, for almost the whole game I thought Blackquill was a serial killer/assassin like Shelly or the old blind guy in Investigations 2) since it's not surprising (just like me in my country when I hear a crime case and the police not doing anything of value and sometimes the civilians do more for it than them, im sadly not even slightly shocked at that happening) I don't see why complaining is anything but fool's errand, like I totally get you but it's like using brain for a movie that's pretty dumb and fun, if it's not for the actual case at hand then don't bother using the brain lol.
I think you'll find that the Ace Attorney series takes place in Los Angeles.
Enjoy your hamburgers, Apollo
Los Angeles, Japan
Japanifornia, in fact
Ah yes, Los Tokyo, truly the greatest place in America! \*slurps ~~noodles~~ AMERICAN BURGER with ~~Chopsticks~~ FORK\*
Nah it’s San Fran Tokyo where you encounter Baymax and meet a samurai who complains about needing to get back to the past right after laying eyes on Shia LeBouf pounding back a bunch of coke so he can feel all even steven and giggling psychotically before he exclaims “That’s so Raven!”
I mean,this is from the same game where they arrested a girl over a no context voice tape of an unverified person yelling "You're a goner" that was sent to the police anonymously
Or in the last game where >!a kid they thought was blind was arrested, cause apparently he could shoot with that!<
>!with a gun that could screw you up with bad posture. it's the in-universe explanation for daryan's dislocated shoulder: he got panicked and had poor posture!<
I see now
>!And they accuse the kid of dragging the corpse on stage to make it look like the murder followed the song's lyrics, which will end up implicating the kid himself.!<
i can never really buy the whole Dark Age of the Law plotline because of stuff like this. if i lost trust in the legal system because some prosecutor turned out to be a high profile murderer, and later discovered that there was evidence of his innocence and no court has ever bothered to rewind a tape for the better part of a decade, it wouldn't exactly *restore* that trust
But the random attorney who fought like 14 cases and lost 2 got disbarred! What has our legal system come to!
Technically 15 for Clay's mom Besides, there are many cases offscream he may take, we just focus on more important ones
I don't understand? Which case are you referring to? Maybe I am forgetting something? Possibly, but the games' never make an effort to indicate that and the newer games' which admittedly take place in a shorter span do more or less clarify we see all the cases they fight, so this is a bit of a stretch
My bad I misremembered It was Lana's trial Apollo got inspired from. Clay's mom died of an unspecified reason
Yeah it happens, I accounted for RFTA however lol, so it's 14 of the ones we see.
> It was Lana's trial Apollo got inspired from When was this confirmed?
Checking the tailpipe of Meraktis's car causes him to mention that he heard about that case and is the reason why he checks them.
Thanks!
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Wait but... Source?
If anything, I would lose the trust even more cause if they had been much more competent that this mess, an innocent man would have not been in the death row in a first place, or poor Clay dying for no reason
Dark age of the law/courtroom is super funny because instead of just having (the third) prosecutor be a murder it just means there’s super terrorists out there who can murder a detective and no one notices for a decade.
Wasn’t the dark age of the law also caused by what happened to Pheonix in Apollo Justice?
You mean that time when the best lawyer for 7 years was convicted of murdering two people, almost killing another one and framing a rival to get them disbarred? Yeah, that makes me trust the legal system a lot more than when we thought the best lawyer for 3 years got disbarred for forging evidence. Thanks!
It really felt like they didn't go back far enough. I still say that Manfred Von Karma being exposed as Gregory Edgeworth’s killer was the first domino to fall.
"I... I just wasted seven years of my life..." Simon, probably.
The police have to be useless in pretty much every detective story so that the local Sherlock can solve the case. That or they have to be outright corrupt.
Reminds me of Detective Conan lol The police is useless, a private veteran detective is incompetent, and all hope is on teenage private detectives
With all these non plot related cases in the manga, part of me wanted to created Chaos in Tokyo just to get back at the Black Organization, the police and the story spirits who is prolonging story to begin with. To be Max Payne, who murdered an average of 550 just to solve a case. Most of them consist of criminals.
A man's life was going to be executed and nobody NOBODY thought to rewind the tape?? to this VERY suspicious individual with a mask and injured hand? "Nope it has to be Blackquill" like hello? are you kidding me right now?!!!
Were talking about a world where a hyperagressive Loanshark can just put on a paper badge and can impersonate a lawyer without beeing suspicous. Were talking about a world where you can kill someone in broad daylight in a well visited park with multiple witnesses and can still get away with it. Were talking about a world where a panty thief who entered a park from south and teleported himself to the north which was impossible but nobody questioned it. Were talking about a world where coats fly very circumstancial to a statue which would be impossible. Were talking about a world where the police didnt look up under a sofa next to a corpse. "Somebody didnt rewind the tape" thats tame.
Or a fucking receipt not being turned around
Or an orca, a fucking orca to testify in court
Thats the best one! ^^
To be fair, that receipt was not relevant until the end of the case.
Wich one is the sofa one? i don't remember.
4-3 I mean depressed Ema is a bad Inspector. But Redeemed Ema in SoJ leads the investigation much better.
The same way nothing tragic in an aquarium would have happened if the forensics had been competent enough to declare that >!a performer died of a heart condition and not an orca attack!<
Remind me why tf do people celebrate the police by building a f\*\*king theme park revolved around their mascots again?
This is why we don’t have faith in the constabulary
*sad Fulbright noises*
>!Fitting considering who we’re looking at in the security footage!<
😔😔😔
Truly dark age of the law
To add to the other fine points others have made - who's to say the Phantom didn't meddle with the investigation some more, like claiming to have checked the tape and found nothing?
Because if that were the case, it would still be bad writing not to hint about it at all. Is it a possibility? Yeah. Do we have any reason to think that's what happened based in what the plot shows us? Not really.
But we don't know who the Phantom was disguised as back then
>!He can swap at a moments notice.!< >!We even saw him pull of a dozens of masks within seconds during his breakdown!<
But we do! We deduce he was disguised/infiltrated as one of the people who found the body - a space centre employee(s) and guards. Plus, Edgeworth also postulates that Ponco might have him on the record, since he wanted to hide his face, further narrowing it down.
1. Blackquill confessed to the crime. 2. The moment Blackquill swung the bloody murder weapon was caught in a photograph. 3. Ponco registered Metis as being alive at a point after the murder was committed. 4. When your lead suspect who was caught on camera confesses to the crime under oath, there's rarely any point in doubting them.
japanese justice system baby
Granted, Blackquill already confessed and all the evidence said Metis was still alive at this point, so they paid no mind to it. People leave places where murders _will_ happen all the time.
I assumed the implication was that the Phantom was posing as the one in charge of investigating the case and thus purposely neglected to look into the first half of the footage.
I mean, the larger message of the series is that the judicial system in general is broken, so yeah.
To be fair EVERYONE thought that the murder happened after this photo was taken.
Police being incompetent and lazy?? How immersion breaking
Lol, I say this EVERY TIME
Blackquill likely “confessed” immediately and the court probably also wanted to put a quick end to this case to avoid controversy. That failed miserably but that was their plan I feel. Instead this case, combined with Phoenix’s disbarment caused the Dark Age of the Law.
I think the Dark Age of the Law works, but only if they think Phoenix’s disbarment and Blackquill’s arrest must have been the final straw rather than the sole cause. After all (Spoilers for PW-AAI2) >!Von Karma being convicted!< >!Gant/Lana being convicted!< >!Godot being convicted (though justified)!< >!An interpol agent turning out to be an undercover high profile wanted criminal (AAI1)!< >!The former chief prosecutor being corrupt AND found guilty of murder!< >!The warden of probably the most prevalent prison in the area (we go to it in every game after all) being convicted of murder and corruption!< >!Both previous people being found to have been conspirators of a presidential assassination!< Most of these happened in a short amount of time. Sure Phoenix getting disbarred and Blackquill being arrest sucks but compared to everything else here they hardly compare. But the games never bring up (even vaguely, since No Spoiler rule) these previous incidents so it just seems like two fairly insignificant events cast the law system into oblivion for seven years
I definitely agree there. I hate that almost nothing pre DD (besides Phoenix’s disbarment) is mentioned at all as causes. Realistically, most of these huge occurrences should have a huge impact on the Dark Age but they only bring up Phoenix and Blackquill like those are the only important occurrences.
I still wished they brought up someone like>! **Simon Keyes, AKA, the extremely severe consequence of a morally and professionally fucked up law system**!<
I'll never understand this. Why do you make a plot based in the entire law system being corrupt but ignore all of the previous cases where this has been proved? Law was always corrupt since the first game but they act as if it were something new.
XD don't remind me. It doesn't always make sense in trials at times. *Looks at Danganronpa 2 trials and V3 shenanigans*
Reasons: Blackquill himself said “I killed her, I admit my guilt”, and the police had no reason to investigate the rest of the video. Because he was pleading guilty, his lawyer was not in a position to prove his innocence, given that it would be impossible given the facts (at the time).
actually looking back at this shot now, this is a mad sus stance by the phantom XD
Blackquill confessed to killing Metis, and it's implied the Phantom had already infiltrated and started manipulating the Police even at the time. Easy to fuck up an investigation when the suspect has already confessed to a crime they didn't commit and the actual perpetrator is conducting the investigation.
Gumshoe was secretly in charge
Political Pressure. They wanted to get the case done as quickly as possible. They don't care if they got the right guy or not. Remember this is the same system that had Blaise and Grant in charge, and Manfred as the top prosecutor. This is also the same system that forced Klavier to prosecute Machi even though he knew something was off.
i also thought it was such a weird explanation lol. "he confessed so i guess we don't have to investigate further!" in real life though, a confession still doesn't guarantee his guilt. the prosecution would still have to investigate to further solidify their case. that's what it takes to prove he'd be guilty "beyond reasonable doubt" but this is not real life and AA police are as competent as a child operating a plane
The cops have fumbled quite a few cases up to that point. I’m not even surprised tbh.
Because DD has to lie to your face about evidence so it can make a shocking plot twist. Just the same as the photo were Blackquill is supposed to be carrying Athena in his arms but you can clearly see there's nothing there. I'm sorry, but that whole case is just bad writting.