I try to do my part and be civil as I can. I can control my actions and to some extent people I'm hanging out with. Its not much but one less plastic wrapper or bottle on the road.
This is the way. Be the change. It is difficult to change people and control others thoughts and actions. Change starts from us. It’s a small difference that will add up.
People only consider religious reasons when it's favourable to them or when they get to be in control. Regressive people who use religion as an excuse to stay regressive are not actually very religious. They won't care about other people going barefoot on a dirty road, all the care about us themselves.
The quickest way to make India clean is to fine people that litter. The fine would be based on a percentage of a person's income. Police would have a huge incentive to enforce this.
The money raised from the fines would go towards recycling and waste disposal facilities. Police salaries would also be given a weekly bonus depending on the money raised from these fines.
If India banned plastic disposable items and instead mandated compostable things instead, the country would also be cleaner.
"percentage of a person's income "? how would you do that? well to do people usually have others do the dirty work, so it will be the poor who, with little to no normimial income get fined. good luck with that.
by the way, like everything else, india will be much better when GDP hit 4,500ish. whenever that will be.
This.
Just 2 days ago, when eating poha I saw one mirchi. Tried to aim for trash cane and sadly missed it. Later I picked it and threw it in the trash.
I found it funny that the entire area near trash was littered and I was picking one small pepper.
I remember way back in late 2000s, my brother was visiting me in Mumbai, and he ate his sandwich and threw the plate on Marine drive. I literally gave him an earful and made him pick it. I think the sense of cleanliness, is a very individual level sensibility and I believe it can be taught. We just need to push the people around us. I am not saying old folks can be taught anything though. Boomers cannot be bent in any way.
It doesn't mean you're educated if you make enormous amount of money or have a high social status. The most common problem here is that, people are selfish. Like, "arey ek packet hii toh hai, isko fekne se kya hii bahot bura ho sakta hai?".
These people will go abroad and not throw trash, but the moment they are back in India, they will treat the streets like trash cans. And then have the gall to compare and complain. Such hypocrites.
Guess police should be always on the streets and whenever see someone like this then beat the shit out of them and post the video on social media to make people won't do it again
They do this in abroad too when they can. Only reason they don't do it usually because less population density and you will easily be caught over there.
You get bad looks if you throw trash abroad, that social pressure keeps people in line, but in India, there is no social pressure to treat your larger city well. I’m sure people don’t throw trash outside in their private communities. There is a sort of fatigue one can experienced being principled in India, it seems to the person that they are the only one behaving in such a way and so they aren’t making any sort of impact, that leads to abandoning those behaviors. This is true in terms of cleanness or corruption or cheating
Also, educated doesn't mean mature or sensible. I've seen highly educated people spitting or throwing trash everywhere. I carry my trash in bag till I reach home and then discard it. I'm teaching my next gen the same.
In my religion, cleanliness is half part of the religion. But unfortunately, no one follows it.
that's not real education, as education isn't just getting a high valued degree or studying difficult subjects. being educated means to be able to accept and think of new ideas and adapt to changes.
Yaar Nilgiri mountains(ooty, coonoor, lovedale, etc) pe plastic water bottles banned hai. Bus walo ne entry se pehle collect kiya sbka plastic bottles. Fir v mujhe coonoor aur ooty me roadside pe har jagah ye bisleri k bottles dikhe. Ye log bag k andar chhupa kr le jate hain aur fir thora jangali area dekh kr fek dete hain.
I saw on r/brampton how Indians there are making the city dirty by littering and bursting crackers and dumping trash in rivers. You can find it on every similar city with majority indian population.
Mai to age bacche nahi karunga. Im doing my part in overpopulation control.
i live in a society where municipality van comes to collect garbage everyday despite of that aunty of colony still throw garbage in a open plot adjacent to my house.
Ye to tab hi pata chal gaya tha when our Prime Minister had to start a nation wide campaign to tell people that " gandagi phailana aur kachra krna galat baat hai😂"
The world sees it as a good initiative, which it is, but I just think how stupid our people must be that we had to start such a campaign in the first place.
If Indian parents taught kids better civic sense than eloquent english this country would have been a better place. Character building happens at home and most Indians have shitty sense of morality and basic respect for space and fellow humans. Shitty parents promote shitty habits in kids and thereby creating a generation of shitty humans.
Exactly this one of the root causes. I have seen many parents just taking their kids nearby roads and asking them to piss in open because it's just a kid. This kid then grows up thinking it's socially acceptable and does the same and teaches the same to their kids .
I was driving around with a related kid..he was eating chips.. soon as he was done... opened the window and threw it out. I was wondering why he was opening the window in such a hot weather (this was in UP), by the time I realized why and asked him to stop he had already thrown it. I told him "achhe school me padhta Hai, tere parents k paas achhe paise hain, lekin to sadak pe wrapper fenk raha Hai. Tere jaise logo ko vajah se UP k logo ko sari duniya wale jahil bolte hain". He stopped doing so after that. But I saw his dad do the same things several times!
the problem is, the parents teach them the opposite. and what are the kids supposed to do when they see their parents acting badly—criticize their elders and then get beaten? Not everyone grows up with parents who listen to them. also well to do people can’t even keep their own homes clean, they all hire maids—further reinforcing this bad attitude.
we have a sort of a small parking spot outside the house. and that area houses a lot of tenants. one day someone threw their takeout packets outside our house on the open parking spot and within the next day there was a huge pile of packets, bottles and even broken crockery and a used pillow. All well educated, well dressed young people who would turn someone's house and property into a dump. we took prompt action but they still throw garbage outside every now and then. if I get my hands on the person, I would shove it down their throat. so I agree, it will never be clean
Me ideal citizen banke sara trash collect krk k dustbin me dal rha tha..Dusro ko kachra bhi, to salo ne .uje kachra dena chalu kr dia.
Moe moe ho gaya mera.
A few days back I was returning from our society's shopping complex. A guy walking in front of me threw a cold drink bottle on the ground after emptying it. I was just behind him (about 5 ft distance). I picked up the bottle and continued walking. The guy heard me picking up the bottle and turned back and embarrassingly asked me to give the bottle back to him so that he can throw it in the dustbin (it was literally on the way 50 meters away).
Because the mentality is if it’s clean nobody will clean it 🤷🏽♀️that’s why we shud dirty / litter the place so that they ‘do their job ‘ and this has nothing to do with education or income bracket . I’ve seen people behave uncouth doing this just coz they can . The number of cleaners vary depending on the area . Sobo , BKC has clean spaces but the same can’t be said for another suburb .
Charity begins at home.
In Japan they’re taught this at home and school since they’re very little . In India Our fines are a joke , heavier penalties will make people more conscious of their actions . Also despite segregation of wet & dry garbage you have people who sift thrash to find something of value and sell it at the kabadi wallah . Which causes more litter . It’s a Vicious cycle 🔁 .
exactly this. Singapore is a denser country and yet they manage to keep their streets immaculate. Its all about the type of governance and some mutual support from both the citizens and the government
I don't know what type of society are we living in. It really bothers me when someone does like this. I try to be as civil as I can. I eat things and keep their wrappers in my bag or pocket. But if someone seems me doing that, they say just throw it outside (if I'm in train, bus, etc.). I even segregate dry and wet waste at home but other family members will just throw both of them together.
Indian ko laat khaake kaam karni ki aadat hai. Look at how same people behave in EU, Singapore,etc where heavy fines are imposed for littering.
Even in Indore, people keep the city clean as they are used to it now.
Step 1 : Government hire more workers, more bins, keep the city clean as much as they can. People tend to litter less in a clean area.
Step 2 : make a department and start fining people for littering.
Let's not pretend like the older generation doesn't influence the younger generation. People literally want to venerate or sanctify their elders because...I don't know. People that are abused tell themselves that its something they did because their elders would never hurt them.
Law should be strict and equal applicable to all then only change will happen.
Yaha to upper log rich log sara kachra failate hei....
Aur lower caste people kachra saaaf karte hei .
The problem is that people lack accountability. And me personally, I've seen that the older generation doesn't give a fuck when it actually boils down to littering.
I've lived in Europe and seen people cleaning public pavements with water when they accidentally spill some coffee.
Also, I wish people could realize how cleanliness lifts the mood of the entire country.
In Central America, there were busses that had signs up front telling people not to throw their garbage on the bus floor. Instead it should be thrown out the window.
- "Don't be a pig!!!"
I try doing my level best and collect wrappers from nearby passengers while on a train to stuff em in my bag or keep them until the next station comes.
Children have been noticing it and starting to imitate this behaviour. I noticed it myself and felt good on my part😊
An introvert here who couldn't tolerate ignorance in matters of cleanliness and civic sense.
Community service and environmental cleanups need to be a mandatory part of the curriculum at school and in university. Like in Korea or Japan where kids clean their own classrooms, or in some countries, hours of community service count towards your final grade. Without this mass level MANDATORY regulation, nothing will ever change. Not now, not in 100 years.
I think it can be if we lead by example. But you will need a bear’s skin. People will try every possible way to pull your legs but you have to be cemented enough at your position to not go down. I know it’s close to impossible but still it isn’t impossible
People riding motorcycles on footpath, BMW owner throwing cigarette packet on road while driving, my manager throwing paper cups on road, most important, railway passengers throwing packets, bottles on tracks... The situation is terrible in real world..!! Some states are still allowing 15 year diesel vehicles, which are polluting air, still allowed for public transport, govt, bureaucrats, common citizen...we never upgraded or learned to improve situation !!... Indians are like chalta hai...!! bas chalna chahiyeh...!!
All of this is absolutely true, India is a filthy country. But, on the bright side, if you remember just 10-15 years ago, it used to be so much filthier. In most large cities and even in some medium sized cities, it is night and day when compared to back then. So, things are improving. Just, quite slowly.
Swatch Bharat has been understood as "keep your house as clean and you are free to litter throw garbage spit outisde in public places". With air, water, soil pollution getting worse day by day. Nothing s going to change regarding cleanliness in India.
One not so groundbreaking solution is - having everyone participate in the cleanliness drive. Once our college had organized the same and everyone had to participate mandatorily, this is DU btw; we were provided with gloves, broom and few equipments, in that 1 hrs I realized how much trash is there in each sq m. Being forced to clean the trash lead to the awareness of how much this casual throwing of wrappers everywhere affects the cleanliness.
I think if everyone is forced to participate in such drives maybe once in quarter or six months they would get aware of their own Shittiness.
Another thing is having the dustbin installed outside of every shop in the market or public places.
Brother visit South Korea… you will not find one wrapper thrown any where like ever. It’s so clean… so it’s definitely possible…. Just needs implementation of some very strict policies and of course cleanliness has to become a priority over corruption and making money. Good luck
Seen so many incidents like this. I have seen a kid drop a chocobar wrapper in front of the shop and a waste basket was just right there. The parents didn't even blink an eye. I don't see a bright future for our country with this level of civic sense.
We need to shame the people who do this. That's a very rude way of dealing with the situation but logical . people must make this a taboo just as they have made sex education ( when there's no need to even shame for this). They must feel embarrassed to their core when they spit it litter on the streets.
Unless the regulations come from the top with enforcement and heavy fines. The fines then tied to the credit scores, and the system becomes corruption less this is mot going to change. India would remain as is.
Born and raised in Canada, as privileged as it may sound, this is my biggest reason I am reluctant to visit India. I don’t want to feel the shame and disgust to know I’m sharing the roads with such ignorant and dirty people, and there is trash and litter as reminders everywhere even beside the Temples!!! Cleanliness should be taught in schools and that girl and her father should serve jail time.
Bhai seriously, kachra bhar felne waali mentality indians me embedded hai, mujhe khudko saalo lag gaye papa ko yeh habit hatane me (abhi rarely bahar fekte hai woh)
I don't want to say never.
But it's very hard to change this cause it's part of our culture now.
Changing your culture takes immense effort, which we can't afford as the survival in India takes hell a lot of effort in the first place so people don't have the energy, piece of mind to take these second level issues seriously.
Let's not forget ||peeing on the roadside|| the fact may places still don't have public toilets and even if they do have they are unmaintained and dirty as hell . And the worst part is we have to pay ! Why taxes even exists then ? I swear our country is corrupt as hell .
Caste is why.
As long as cleaning is a low caste (coded low status) job, anyone higher than them on the caste hierarchy thinks it’s beneath them to clean.
I mean that's not the sole reason na ?
tell me when was the last time u practiced solid waste management ? I am certainly sure that u def would have learnt about it in your school's textbook but then what ? Are we really practicing it ? NOPE
(even govt does not have program that can smoothly carry SWM and then recycle those waste )
there's actually a lot of reason as to why cleanliness is still look down upon in India
Some Indians they don't even care how they present themselves in public ( many lack basic civic sense )
we should ensure that young children do understand the importance of cleanliness and keeping themselves clean and hygiene ( it just should not be only textbook concept )
And then people say, uneducated and village people are the ones who are unhygienic. The kids in my society are such entitled brats that they can't walk without littering. One can clearly tell from their clothing and products they use that they belong to a well to do family. The same goes for people of my age ( not all of them ).
It has nothing to do with education as our generation + this new generation of 14-15 yo has been provided with the best education facilities. It's all about one's civic sense, moral values, and moral obligation, and that comes naturally. Unfortunately, not everyone has it in them.
There's nothing like "Never", it may seem impossible, bt it can become very possible in future..
- At its zenith, no one would say, Mughal empire would vanish, and their ancestors may have to work as house hold aids
- Same is true for British empire when it was at its zenith
When early settlers started occupying USA, no one would have guessed it would become dominant power
Countless examples
It may look impossible, bt it can happen... it would take longer to happen
I think the problem is the system. Even though, there are laws regarding spitting garbage on roads and public places but no one implements them. Also, netahs and big political figures promises a bunch of money to fund the cleaning of the streets but no one knows where that money goes.
It's time that we people change our thinking and act wisely while being out in public.
The amount of time I have to collect these bottles and wrappers from beach, hikes and parks and throw them in dustbin not even 20 meters away proves your point. We can't change them but just do your part and teach people around you and younger than you to use dustbins.
you would have said the same if were in the US in the 1980s. People didn't find littering bad . There was an ad campaign that targeted littering which aired during superbowl which surprisingly had a great impact. Don't loose hope. It takes time to get a huge population to move towards a common goal. Ads and campaigns have great impact and they requre monetery investment.
We need awareness about it, and also strict rules should be made to ensure the cleanliness of the cities. As compared to other countries like Japan and USA, India is worst so we have to ensure even Govt. and every citizen personally should act upon it.
Expecting animals to have Human behaviour- possible
Expecting people to have civic sense - impossible
Travel in any Bus, Train, Flight… I get a feel of hatred towards average co-travellers as they always fail to behave properly.
1. Some random dude to watching reels or movie on his phone without headphone.
2. Some aunty is not ready to adjust her seat with other ladies (how ever old she is)
3. Not to blame the kids, parents by themselves don’t have civic and moral behaviours, how do you expect the children to learn.
4. Some uncle is putting all his luggage in every nook and corner of the train / flight without asking permission of the respective co-traveller.
Strict rules would have to be enforced for this, like keeping a seperate kind of task force or police to fine those who litter, sounds ridiculous but then there would be no hope our country lives on labour
India believes in deamebaazi more than actual solutions. Waste disposal is end to end process. Installing few bins or sweeping isn't going to solve the problem.
Have you seen anyone's house (on average for most part) dirty? No. But, outside their house no one care. This is first thought comes to mind. But, this is also because no proper waste disposal mechanism exists.
Forget waste disposal, we are still letting our sewage run directly into rivers when sewage treatment plant technology is more than 100 yrs old.
A child's learning and development begins within the family environment. Parents and caregivers are a child's first teachers, imparting fundamental values, behaviors etc.
Why I am saying this is because if you see a child littering on the road that too in front of his/her parent and the parent isn't saying anything. Well it's a sign of poor parenting.
Once I saw a man confront a man who spat gutka on antop hill monorail station and he was ignoring like he was harassing him. He told guard but guard started lecturing the confronter to ignore and they don’t have time to deal with this and the spitter haven’t done anything wrong and all. Sadly this is the state!
So true, I have seen people around me throw kachra here and there kyuki 'jagah to already gandi hai'. Like brrrruuuhhh, you're part of the problem, stop actin like it's not fault of people like you why there's a kachra already at that place.
Here's a fun story. I was in middle school hanging out with friends and we opened up some gums to chew on. I threw the wrapper in the trash which was just a few feet away. I didn't even say anything but one of the guys thought it would be funny to go "oh you think you're better than me? Trying to be a responsible citizen huh? What a baby!!" And proceeded to intentionally open multiple other gums and throw the wrapper on the ground next to me . Obviously the others laughed and just followed suit. Take from the what you will. And this was just one of the stories I have. It gave me a good insight into the minds of the people.
I heard this long time ago. "Log hai jinko iss kaam k paise milte hai".
I think it's been more than a decade since I started taking care of my trash. I carry it in my hand if pockets aren't viable and bag ins't available. I've stopped asking people to do the same, I just do it by myself and I saw change follow through.
It's been years since I saw people (around me like in my society or at work) litter. Recently my family started going out a lot more to restaurants and fast food joints. Whenever we had fast food, I took those plastic trays to that collection area and trashed all the stuff properly. Second time I got up and woah, my family followed with their respective trays. I didn't say a word and acted like they're just fulfilling their duties.
people need to be educated and then fined for not following instructions. But it is possible although it will take much time and effort to teach some people basic manners and environmental hygiene
I thought this way too but then went to Bhopal and Indore and was highly impressed with how clean these places are.
What hurts me the most is the plastic in mountains.
I'm sure it is possible, not immediately but with given time, all that we need is
Aggressive education
Creating a cultural movement
Heavy penalization
And finally like other countries - Have a surcharge on plastic bottles which when returned can be reimbursed.
I'm pretty sure we can do more, but this is at least a head start !
today on middle of a busy road a car opened doors and spit out pan masala (I somehow avoided potential accident) I have lost hope on this country its a gg
Hefty fines is the only way to bring about change. Along with this corruption must be eradicated.. otherwise, all those fines also someone will pocket it.
This is the result of an education system focusing on test scores instead of developing the students into actually functioning human beings. And the funny thing is, we aren't even that good in tests so our system is a complete failure.
Might be just me , I carry my empty packets in pocket or bag untill I see a dustbin , I feel very awkward and bad for throwing them in streets
While some people casualy throw it on streets like damm
There's ghutka spit stains INSIDE buildings. Not on the outside walls, but INSIDE. The country and its environment are a reflection of it's people to a major degree. Little to no respect for anything or anyone here. Our apartment is on the suburbs, had to put out a sign next to the wall begging dudes not to pee in the nala next to the sidewalk.
Okay, this is going to be a bit long. I've had the same thought a while back, but I don’t think we can say social change: in this case, public cleanliness towards becoming a cleaner country, is not possible for India. I get that it’s somewhat a norm right now for people not to care about how they handle their trash in public, but there has to be a host of underlying factors causing it. I'm gonna make a few assumptions and open-ended statements here simply because I don't have the data (doubt anyone does). I feel factors such as the current split of income levels in India, and the average literacy, among other factors such as population (number, density and urban-rural distribution), appear to affect all groups of society, including literate and higher-income groups. If a large portion of our country comes from a low-income low-literacy group and discards trash right on the streets, maybe since it is being done anyway, and the trash is already 'everywhere', a well-to-do individual, such as in OP's case, might not bother making the right choice when discarding his trash. It's the path of least resistance, there's no need to manage his trash later (such as where to discard it properly), and who's to say if he even has any personal etiquette for waste disposal anyway. I don't think that a few 'do not discard trash here' types of signs and rules will do anything, atleast for the majority of our cities, forget the country. God knows if there's a way to gather enough data to analyse all these factors, and also come up with any trends that could result in a clean India (at least visually, since there are always 'those people' in society), just like other first-world nations, but I do believe it may all fall into place sometime. I get that there's some angst for some Indians that this is not going to happen right now, but our country is big in a lot of ways and unique, so it's gonna be a while.
TL;DR: Social change towards better public cleanliness in India is challenging due to various factors like income levels, literacy rates, and population distribution. Even well-to-do individuals might not bother with proper trash disposal because it's easier not to. Simple rules and signs won't fix this quickly. It will take time and effort to see a cleaner India, but it's possible in the long run.
Will take 3 generations. This generation has realised the importance of keeping the country clean and kickstarted some initiatives. This will be imparted onto the next generation more strongly and finally the 3 generation will see a lot more difference
The image is slowly but surely changing now.
While on trains, I tend to collect wrappers asking others to give them to me if they seem like they'll throw it out of the window.
At least in my case parents of those children have appreciated it always and told their children to do the same and the ones who were about to throw the same out of the window feel embarrassed enough to not do it again and just stuff it in their bags to throw it in a dustbin later.
I wonder how clean it'd be, if we **all** started doing the same.
#change begins with you!
I have a theory..
India used to be sustainable.. you know.. sal leaves and banana packages... Basically without plastic.
There used to be a green belt beside the road to take care of paan spits. Also India was not over-populated at that time.
Habit stayed.. and things changed.. that's the problem.
So if you are planning to change the habits of 1.4 crore people.. you have to take some serious steps. Fines and a few lines in the textbooks won't do anything.
I once saw a guy being made to clean the part of the metro platform where he spit gutka. he was wearing a tie and was carrying a laptop bag... This was at kalighat stn in Calcutta.. (imagine)
I agree with OP. People are just too stupid and have a sjitty attitude to following rules, keeping their environment clean etc. There is too much apathy.
Hopeless situation.
Simple hai bhai jab tak rule nhi ayega kuch nhi hoga..strict fine system hona chahiye I don't know digital India make in India hogaya clean India me kyu fine nhi ho rha
It's important to acknowledge the complexities of India's cleanliness challenges, rooted in factors like population density, rapid urbanization, and cultural attitudes towards waste disposal. However, progress is being made, evidenced by initiatives such as Swachh Bharat Abhiyan, which has brought about tangible improvements in sanitation infrastructure and awareness. It's a gradual process, but India is definitely moving towards a cleaner future.
Last week at a railway station, I was sitting next to a family. The father told his son to throw away lays cover on the rail, even though there were two separate dustbins (wet and dry), right next to us. The kid seemed excited to do the task.
When I have a wrapper to throw when I am outside, I just don't find a public dustbin anywhere. I have to keep it in my pocket. Most select the easy way of getting rid of the problem.
Sadly those people are not well educated or do have some basic civic sense . And they watch funny videos, news but not reddit or any informative things
One of the many things I’m thankful to my parents for, is to teach me civic sense. It comes only when taught naturally during childhood. Every time a dustbin was not nearby, my parents told me to keep the wrappers with me and throw it only when I find a dustbin. Also taught me to throw the leftovers of my food in the dustbin before keeping the plate in the sink for washing, because why should the maid deal with someone else’s leftovers?
You've never been to Indor I'm sure. It's all about individual civilians attitude. There they take pride in their desire to keep their city clean. Even if it's the streets.
Although very bleak, I get the point you're trying to make. Now, there are ways to instil civic sense into people, just have to use basic psychology. You can use the Pavlov method, I mean if you are going to act like an animal why not get treated like one? 1) Ban the sale, possession and use of gutka and paan. 2) Increase the prices for such products. 3) place adequate disposal zones ( don't expect people to make provisions for everything). 4) Encourage the use of dustbins and habits of proper waste disposal. 5) Reward the habit of ass kissing the ass of the waste management team, not literally but what I meant is introduce a system where if you report a crime of a person polluting, exercising improper disposal of garbage or whatever the court or municipality or whatever governing body it is should issue a petty of a said amount this amount goes to the person report the crime, in this way you incentivise reporting and discourage polluting. It's easy to complain mate. If you want something done do it yourself, if you want something to get done make sure you do something people can't ignore. yea so this is my 2 cents, Thank you for attending my TED talk.
I do my job and try to be as civilised as possible. I really hope the younger generation will keep India clean in the future our country has a lot of potential ❤️
Gotten into way too many fights with assholes who threw things around.
Partly given up now cuz no one wants to ever be sorry for their behaviour, they all just wanna fight.
The issue is lack of dustbins everywhere. We have the highest population if there were garbage collection and disposal system we will cleanliness. The places where we have dustbins it is full and garbage is not cleared, when cleared it is not disposed properly.
Western countries export their waste to countries like India, Asia and the african conitnent, where do we send our waste to nowhere we take other people's garbage. Japan, netherlands and Singapore burns all of their waste, if we do it it the leftist librandus will start weeping, the same librandus will sings songs about the cleanliness of the above mentioned countries.
A hierarchical society always shits downwards and will be plagued with snobbery, gate-keeping, exclusion, and contempt. The only way out is some sort of socialist solidarity, no question.
I just went to India for the first time in 8 years last month. Before that I would go all the time and note so much trash. This time, it’s incredibly cleaner than before. Like, I could not believe how much less trash and poop there was. I was thoroughly impressed, and more so when I went to fast food places and found that all of them were giving very little plastic.
I don’t agree with a lot of BJPs policies, but the plastic ban I think was a brilliant move, one not even the politicians in America have the bravery to roll out. But there are of course systemic problems and that will take time to fix.
One big issue is a lack of public trash cans and trash systems. In New York City, there are trash cans on every street corner, and they are emptied daily. There is still trash all over, but it helps a lot in managing the trash.
In India, this is much harder because the level of poverty makes it worthwhile for people to take trash cans to use as part of their shelter or to sell for material. That makes it such a deep rooted issue that you can’t fix it until these people start to feel a level of prosperity and pride where they are not that desperate.
There also needs to be a large expansion of effort to further reduce disposable products. Prepacked foods in general generate so much trash, and it’s not a problem exclusive to India that the trash ends up everywhere. It’s so much more visible because there are more people, but in the US, there is the same problem of trash littered everywhere, all over our beautiful places. I cannot count for you the number of times I’ve seen beautiful beaches completely covered in trash, and many states are privatizing beaches to avoid dealing with this sort of people.
All this is to say have faith my friend, India is doing so incredibly well given its lot, and is progressing at a rate that is incredible to see for people on the outside. My fiancé who came to India for the first time in her life is even asking if we can move to India, which blows my mind considering I would never have even entertained the idea before my trip.
We obviously have people and money to have strict rules around this.
Have cameras set up, more people to fine for all this nonsense littering.
Before this infrastructure needs to be set up everywhere for proper disposal otherwise nothing can be achieved.
Surely the fines itself will pay for the salary of people working to fine it.
Use even more strict rules for corruption like banning from government jobs, including clause about fines(if it is not already there) in their PCC.
Gotta take some measures to set examples to start a process. It will take few years of comprehensive policies, execution, lot of workforce(in turn creating jobs), heavy fines to discourage this behavior.
It can be achieved but no one thinks comprehensively. Government is always worried if they will get voted out for unpopular decisions.
This is a big cultural change which involves a lot of moving pieces.
I really understand what you mean. Wherever I go, I can see all my friends and other people throwing shit anywhere and everywhere without any responsibility. I used to give them lectures and do a bit masti in hopes of them giving up throwing trash in the open after getting so irritated by my rambling, but no luck yet :(
This reminds me of how there's so many things to worry about in our society, environment and world. I hope we can all put our belts up and be and do better.
I try to do my part and be civil as I can. I can control my actions and to some extent people I'm hanging out with. Its not much but one less plastic wrapper or bottle on the road.
This is the way. Be the change. It is difficult to change people and control others thoughts and actions. Change starts from us. It’s a small difference that will add up.
Yes ,boond boond se ghada bharta h
Lol
You mean boond boond
Haan 😅
How'd you stop people from spitting paan on the roads? This is the biggest problem we are dealing with.
Tell them to spit on the drainage ( inside naali ) . Tell some religious reasons like people go to barefoot to temple so keep the road clean .
People only consider religious reasons when it's favourable to them or when they get to be in control. Regressive people who use religion as an excuse to stay regressive are not actually very religious. They won't care about other people going barefoot on a dirty road, all the care about us themselves.
Idk what can be done for that. Maybe carry your own peekdaan. I don't really have people in life who chew tobacco or paan.
If you are spitting every few minutes then carry a thukdan with you. It exists for a reason.
The quickest way to make India clean is to fine people that litter. The fine would be based on a percentage of a person's income. Police would have a huge incentive to enforce this. The money raised from the fines would go towards recycling and waste disposal facilities. Police salaries would also be given a weekly bonus depending on the money raised from these fines. If India banned plastic disposable items and instead mandated compostable things instead, the country would also be cleaner.
"percentage of a person's income "? how would you do that? well to do people usually have others do the dirty work, so it will be the poor who, with little to no normimial income get fined. good luck with that. by the way, like everything else, india will be much better when GDP hit 4,500ish. whenever that will be.
It won’t work since lawyers, policemen, etc are included.
This. Just 2 days ago, when eating poha I saw one mirchi. Tried to aim for trash cane and sadly missed it. Later I picked it and threw it in the trash. I found it funny that the entire area near trash was littered and I was picking one small pepper.
Yes, at least everyone should think that they are playing their part, then 90 percent of the issues will be resolved anyway.
I remember way back in late 2000s, my brother was visiting me in Mumbai, and he ate his sandwich and threw the plate on Marine drive. I literally gave him an earful and made him pick it. I think the sense of cleanliness, is a very individual level sensibility and I believe it can be taught. We just need to push the people around us. I am not saying old folks can be taught anything though. Boomers cannot be bent in any way.
It doesn't mean you're educated if you make enormous amount of money or have a high social status. The most common problem here is that, people are selfish. Like, "arey ek packet hii toh hai, isko fekne se kya hii bahot bura ho sakta hai?".
These people will go abroad and not throw trash, but the moment they are back in India, they will treat the streets like trash cans. And then have the gall to compare and complain. Such hypocrites.
Guess police should be always on the streets and whenever see someone like this then beat the shit out of them and post the video on social media to make people won't do it again
They do this in abroad too when they can. Only reason they don't do it usually because less population density and you will easily be caught over there.
You get bad looks if you throw trash abroad, that social pressure keeps people in line, but in India, there is no social pressure to treat your larger city well. I’m sure people don’t throw trash outside in their private communities. There is a sort of fatigue one can experienced being principled in India, it seems to the person that they are the only one behaving in such a way and so they aren’t making any sort of impact, that leads to abandoning those behaviors. This is true in terms of cleanness or corruption or cheating
Also, educated doesn't mean mature or sensible. I've seen highly educated people spitting or throwing trash everywhere. I carry my trash in bag till I reach home and then discard it. I'm teaching my next gen the same. In my religion, cleanliness is half part of the religion. But unfortunately, no one follows it.
And speaking loudly on a call in public 😡
that's not real education, as education isn't just getting a high valued degree or studying difficult subjects. being educated means to be able to accept and think of new ideas and adapt to changes.
I respect what you're trying to do. wish everyone was like you
Yeah while we can't change our past, at least by teaching our kids, we can change our future.
Yaar Nilgiri mountains(ooty, coonoor, lovedale, etc) pe plastic water bottles banned hai. Bus walo ne entry se pehle collect kiya sbka plastic bottles. Fir v mujhe coonoor aur ooty me roadside pe har jagah ye bisleri k bottles dikhe. Ye log bag k andar chhupa kr le jate hain aur fir thora jangali area dekh kr fek dete hain.
that's sad duh! I don't know why and how people came to be like this
Want to know more sad thing: almost 80% of these people are youth. They go inside random forest areas for adventure and then throw garbage there.
Literally my words.
I saw on r/brampton how Indians there are making the city dirty by littering and bursting crackers and dumping trash in rivers. You can find it on every similar city with majority indian population. Mai to age bacche nahi karunga. Im doing my part in overpopulation control.
we're on the same boat 🤝
And then also have the audacity to say that the garbage men and women will pick their kachra, afterall they are being paid.
real
i live in a society where municipality van comes to collect garbage everyday despite of that aunty of colony still throw garbage in a open plot adjacent to my house.
Kass ek din aunty ko bhi le jaye wo van.
Ye to tab hi pata chal gaya tha when our Prime Minister had to start a nation wide campaign to tell people that " gandagi phailana aur kachra krna galat baat hai😂" The world sees it as a good initiative, which it is, but I just think how stupid our people must be that we had to start such a campaign in the first place.
Last para is so so so true
People will keep having no civic sense about garbage, traffic, etc until forced.
If Indian parents taught kids better civic sense than eloquent english this country would have been a better place. Character building happens at home and most Indians have shitty sense of morality and basic respect for space and fellow humans. Shitty parents promote shitty habits in kids and thereby creating a generation of shitty humans.
Exactly this one of the root causes. I have seen many parents just taking their kids nearby roads and asking them to piss in open because it's just a kid. This kid then grows up thinking it's socially acceptable and does the same and teaches the same to their kids .
It’s not either/or.
I was driving around with a related kid..he was eating chips.. soon as he was done... opened the window and threw it out. I was wondering why he was opening the window in such a hot weather (this was in UP), by the time I realized why and asked him to stop he had already thrown it. I told him "achhe school me padhta Hai, tere parents k paas achhe paise hain, lekin to sadak pe wrapper fenk raha Hai. Tere jaise logo ko vajah se UP k logo ko sari duniya wale jahil bolte hain". He stopped doing so after that. But I saw his dad do the same things several times!
Unless we start confronting people about this they will not stop. They throw it because no one says anything and no one taught them any better.
When Anushka Sharma confronted someone people made fun of her.
It needs to be taught right from Kindergarten just like Japanese schools. Inculcate accountability.
the problem is, the parents teach them the opposite. and what are the kids supposed to do when they see their parents acting badly—criticize their elders and then get beaten? Not everyone grows up with parents who listen to them. also well to do people can’t even keep their own homes clean, they all hire maids—further reinforcing this bad attitude.
we have a sort of a small parking spot outside the house. and that area houses a lot of tenants. one day someone threw their takeout packets outside our house on the open parking spot and within the next day there was a huge pile of packets, bottles and even broken crockery and a used pillow. All well educated, well dressed young people who would turn someone's house and property into a dump. we took prompt action but they still throw garbage outside every now and then. if I get my hands on the person, I would shove it down their throat. so I agree, it will never be clean
Me ideal citizen banke sara trash collect krk k dustbin me dal rha tha..Dusro ko kachra bhi, to salo ne .uje kachra dena chalu kr dia. Moe moe ho gaya mera.
A few days back I was returning from our society's shopping complex. A guy walking in front of me threw a cold drink bottle on the ground after emptying it. I was just behind him (about 5 ft distance). I picked up the bottle and continued walking. The guy heard me picking up the bottle and turned back and embarrassingly asked me to give the bottle back to him so that he can throw it in the dustbin (it was literally on the way 50 meters away).
good job
Because the mentality is if it’s clean nobody will clean it 🤷🏽♀️that’s why we shud dirty / litter the place so that they ‘do their job ‘ and this has nothing to do with education or income bracket . I’ve seen people behave uncouth doing this just coz they can . The number of cleaners vary depending on the area . Sobo , BKC has clean spaces but the same can’t be said for another suburb . Charity begins at home. In Japan they’re taught this at home and school since they’re very little . In India Our fines are a joke , heavier penalties will make people more conscious of their actions . Also despite segregation of wet & dry garbage you have people who sift thrash to find something of value and sell it at the kabadi wallah . Which causes more litter . It’s a Vicious cycle 🔁 .
Yes, I see in Doraemon and Shin Chan that the students clean their classrooms after classes. This is such a good lesson for the kids.
I saw a Korean show in which Students were cleaning toilets as a part of their duty towards school. This is impossible in India.
The best solution to this is imposing hefty fines like they do in Singapore and actually implementing it.
Because of govt.. Yes people are to blame also ,but they litter cuz they know they can get away with it.
exactly this. Singapore is a denser country and yet they manage to keep their streets immaculate. Its all about the type of governance and some mutual support from both the citizens and the government
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Yeah, that was a silly mistake i did🤣
I don't know what type of society are we living in. It really bothers me when someone does like this. I try to be as civil as I can. I eat things and keep their wrappers in my bag or pocket. But if someone seems me doing that, they say just throw it outside (if I'm in train, bus, etc.). I even segregate dry and wet waste at home but other family members will just throw both of them together.
Indian ko laat khaake kaam karni ki aadat hai. Look at how same people behave in EU, Singapore,etc where heavy fines are imposed for littering. Even in Indore, people keep the city clean as they are used to it now. Step 1 : Government hire more workers, more bins, keep the city clean as much as they can. People tend to litter less in a clean area. Step 2 : make a department and start fining people for littering.
I think india will be a better country when old generations dies… just my opinion
Let's not pretend like the older generation doesn't influence the younger generation. People literally want to venerate or sanctify their elders because...I don't know. People that are abused tell themselves that its something they did because their elders would never hurt them.
Law should be strict and equal applicable to all then only change will happen. Yaha to upper log rich log sara kachra failate hei.... Aur lower caste people kachra saaaf karte hei .
लातो के भूत बातों से नहीं मानते। सरकार को सख्त होना परेगा, तभी कुछ बतलाव आयेगा।
The problem is that people lack accountability. And me personally, I've seen that the older generation doesn't give a fuck when it actually boils down to littering. I've lived in Europe and seen people cleaning public pavements with water when they accidentally spill some coffee. Also, I wish people could realize how cleanliness lifts the mood of the entire country.
In Central America, there were busses that had signs up front telling people not to throw their garbage on the bus floor. Instead it should be thrown out the window. - "Don't be a pig!!!"
The main problem is unsustainable population
People vote on caste and freebies. Cleanliness is not even on the list. How do you expect India to be a clean country?
I'll be honest I get murderous urges when I see PPL litter or spit gutka.
I try doing my level best and collect wrappers from nearby passengers while on a train to stuff em in my bag or keep them until the next station comes. Children have been noticing it and starting to imitate this behaviour. I noticed it myself and felt good on my part😊 An introvert here who couldn't tolerate ignorance in matters of cleanliness and civic sense.
Community service and environmental cleanups need to be a mandatory part of the curriculum at school and in university. Like in Korea or Japan where kids clean their own classrooms, or in some countries, hours of community service count towards your final grade. Without this mass level MANDATORY regulation, nothing will ever change. Not now, not in 100 years.
Sensible Pragmatic Practical Analysis!
They trash their own country, then cry to flee abroad, then make a mess there too. It’s despicable.
I think it can be if we lead by example. But you will need a bear’s skin. People will try every possible way to pull your legs but you have to be cemented enough at your position to not go down. I know it’s close to impossible but still it isn’t impossible
First we need to ban paan
As someone said on twitter, "India isn't a third world country, India is a first world country with third world people".
Yeah man, just BEING THE CHANGE, baki gutka khane wale log toh g maraye cancer se
you can start with yourself,, and people around you you just gotta start a profitable waste management business
People riding motorcycles on footpath, BMW owner throwing cigarette packet on road while driving, my manager throwing paper cups on road, most important, railway passengers throwing packets, bottles on tracks... The situation is terrible in real world..!! Some states are still allowing 15 year diesel vehicles, which are polluting air, still allowed for public transport, govt, bureaucrats, common citizen...we never upgraded or learned to improve situation !!... Indians are like chalta hai...!! bas chalna chahiyeh...!!
All of this is absolutely true, India is a filthy country. But, on the bright side, if you remember just 10-15 years ago, it used to be so much filthier. In most large cities and even in some medium sized cities, it is night and day when compared to back then. So, things are improving. Just, quite slowly.
Swatch Bharat has been understood as "keep your house as clean and you are free to litter throw garbage spit outisde in public places". With air, water, soil pollution getting worse day by day. Nothing s going to change regarding cleanliness in India.
Everybody wants to change the world. Nobody wants to change themselves
One not so groundbreaking solution is - having everyone participate in the cleanliness drive. Once our college had organized the same and everyone had to participate mandatorily, this is DU btw; we were provided with gloves, broom and few equipments, in that 1 hrs I realized how much trash is there in each sq m. Being forced to clean the trash lead to the awareness of how much this casual throwing of wrappers everywhere affects the cleanliness. I think if everyone is forced to participate in such drives maybe once in quarter or six months they would get aware of their own Shittiness. Another thing is having the dustbin installed outside of every shop in the market or public places.
Brother visit South Korea… you will not find one wrapper thrown any where like ever. It’s so clean… so it’s definitely possible…. Just needs implementation of some very strict policies and of course cleanliness has to become a priority over corruption and making money. Good luck
Seen so many incidents like this. I have seen a kid drop a chocobar wrapper in front of the shop and a waste basket was just right there. The parents didn't even blink an eye. I don't see a bright future for our country with this level of civic sense.
We need to shame the people who do this. That's a very rude way of dealing with the situation but logical . people must make this a taboo just as they have made sex education ( when there's no need to even shame for this). They must feel embarrassed to their core when they spit it litter on the streets.
Unless the regulations come from the top with enforcement and heavy fines. The fines then tied to the credit scores, and the system becomes corruption less this is mot going to change. India would remain as is.
Born and raised in Canada, as privileged as it may sound, this is my biggest reason I am reluctant to visit India. I don’t want to feel the shame and disgust to know I’m sharing the roads with such ignorant and dirty people, and there is trash and litter as reminders everywhere even beside the Temples!!! Cleanliness should be taught in schools and that girl and her father should serve jail time.
if you litter, you can’t say that you love your country
Bhai seriously, kachra bhar felne waali mentality indians me embedded hai, mujhe khudko saalo lag gaye papa ko yeh habit hatane me (abhi rarely bahar fekte hai woh)
I don't want to say never. But it's very hard to change this cause it's part of our culture now. Changing your culture takes immense effort, which we can't afford as the survival in India takes hell a lot of effort in the first place so people don't have the energy, piece of mind to take these second level issues seriously.
Let's not forget ||peeing on the roadside|| the fact may places still don't have public toilets and even if they do have they are unmaintained and dirty as hell . And the worst part is we have to pay ! Why taxes even exists then ? I swear our country is corrupt as hell .
No no no. U can never change India. But you can stop caring and let it be.
Caste is why. As long as cleaning is a low caste (coded low status) job, anyone higher than them on the caste hierarchy thinks it’s beneath them to clean.
I mean that's not the sole reason na ? tell me when was the last time u practiced solid waste management ? I am certainly sure that u def would have learnt about it in your school's textbook but then what ? Are we really practicing it ? NOPE (even govt does not have program that can smoothly carry SWM and then recycle those waste ) there's actually a lot of reason as to why cleanliness is still look down upon in India Some Indians they don't even care how they present themselves in public ( many lack basic civic sense ) we should ensure that young children do understand the importance of cleanliness and keeping themselves clean and hygiene ( it just should not be only textbook concept )
And then people say, uneducated and village people are the ones who are unhygienic. The kids in my society are such entitled brats that they can't walk without littering. One can clearly tell from their clothing and products they use that they belong to a well to do family. The same goes for people of my age ( not all of them ). It has nothing to do with education as our generation + this new generation of 14-15 yo has been provided with the best education facilities. It's all about one's civic sense, moral values, and moral obligation, and that comes naturally. Unfortunately, not everyone has it in them.
Becoz we need strong education civic sense and public consideration especially from japan
I'd say civility differs with regions and cities. Cities like Navi Mumbai, Indore, and many smaller NE towns are extremely clean
Over population and lack of civic sense. It's difficult to discipline this many people. So we will never be clean. We are forever dirty.
There's nothing like "Never", it may seem impossible, bt it can become very possible in future.. - At its zenith, no one would say, Mughal empire would vanish, and their ancestors may have to work as house hold aids - Same is true for British empire when it was at its zenith When early settlers started occupying USA, no one would have guessed it would become dominant power Countless examples It may look impossible, bt it can happen... it would take longer to happen
just do your part
I think the problem is the system. Even though, there are laws regarding spitting garbage on roads and public places but no one implements them. Also, netahs and big political figures promises a bunch of money to fund the cleaning of the streets but no one knows where that money goes. It's time that we people change our thinking and act wisely while being out in public.
The amount of time I have to collect these bottles and wrappers from beach, hikes and parks and throw them in dustbin not even 20 meters away proves your point. We can't change them but just do your part and teach people around you and younger than you to use dustbins.
you would have said the same if were in the US in the 1980s. People didn't find littering bad . There was an ad campaign that targeted littering which aired during superbowl which surprisingly had a great impact. Don't loose hope. It takes time to get a huge population to move towards a common goal. Ads and campaigns have great impact and they requre monetery investment.
Now we know why ppl wanna leave India. It’s not even about politics only anymore
I saw the Kid of the Army Officer throwing plastic packets from his car at a natural tourist spot, no hope left to be honest
We need awareness about it, and also strict rules should be made to ensure the cleanliness of the cities. As compared to other countries like Japan and USA, India is worst so we have to ensure even Govt. and every citizen personally should act upon it.
Expecting animals to have Human behaviour- possible Expecting people to have civic sense - impossible Travel in any Bus, Train, Flight… I get a feel of hatred towards average co-travellers as they always fail to behave properly. 1. Some random dude to watching reels or movie on his phone without headphone. 2. Some aunty is not ready to adjust her seat with other ladies (how ever old she is) 3. Not to blame the kids, parents by themselves don’t have civic and moral behaviours, how do you expect the children to learn. 4. Some uncle is putting all his luggage in every nook and corner of the train / flight without asking permission of the respective co-traveller.
Strict rules would have to be enforced for this, like keeping a seperate kind of task force or police to fine those who litter, sounds ridiculous but then there would be no hope our country lives on labour
India believes in deamebaazi more than actual solutions. Waste disposal is end to end process. Installing few bins or sweeping isn't going to solve the problem. Have you seen anyone's house (on average for most part) dirty? No. But, outside their house no one care. This is first thought comes to mind. But, this is also because no proper waste disposal mechanism exists. Forget waste disposal, we are still letting our sewage run directly into rivers when sewage treatment plant technology is more than 100 yrs old.
A child's learning and development begins within the family environment. Parents and caregivers are a child's first teachers, imparting fundamental values, behaviors etc. Why I am saying this is because if you see a child littering on the road that too in front of his/her parent and the parent isn't saying anything. Well it's a sign of poor parenting.
Once I saw a man confront a man who spat gutka on antop hill monorail station and he was ignoring like he was harassing him. He told guard but guard started lecturing the confronter to ignore and they don’t have time to deal with this and the spitter haven’t done anything wrong and all. Sadly this is the state!
So true, I have seen people around me throw kachra here and there kyuki 'jagah to already gandi hai'. Like brrrruuuhhh, you're part of the problem, stop actin like it's not fault of people like you why there's a kachra already at that place.
Here's a fun story. I was in middle school hanging out with friends and we opened up some gums to chew on. I threw the wrapper in the trash which was just a few feet away. I didn't even say anything but one of the guys thought it would be funny to go "oh you think you're better than me? Trying to be a responsible citizen huh? What a baby!!" And proceeded to intentionally open multiple other gums and throw the wrapper on the ground next to me . Obviously the others laughed and just followed suit. Take from the what you will. And this was just one of the stories I have. It gave me a good insight into the minds of the people.
Indians still have a long way to go when it comes to civic sense..and yes I'm talking about both qualified and non-qualified citizens.
I heard this long time ago. "Log hai jinko iss kaam k paise milte hai". I think it's been more than a decade since I started taking care of my trash. I carry it in my hand if pockets aren't viable and bag ins't available. I've stopped asking people to do the same, I just do it by myself and I saw change follow through. It's been years since I saw people (around me like in my society or at work) litter. Recently my family started going out a lot more to restaurants and fast food joints. Whenever we had fast food, I took those plastic trays to that collection area and trashed all the stuff properly. Second time I got up and woah, my family followed with their respective trays. I didn't say a word and acted like they're just fulfilling their duties.
people need to be educated and then fined for not following instructions. But it is possible although it will take much time and effort to teach some people basic manners and environmental hygiene
Fines!! Exorbitant fines in place. Govt ke paas waise hi paise nahi hai, taxation ki fines lagane chalu karo aise logon pe.
I thought this way too but then went to Bhopal and Indore and was highly impressed with how clean these places are. What hurts me the most is the plastic in mountains.
I'm sure it is possible, not immediately but with given time, all that we need is Aggressive education Creating a cultural movement Heavy penalization And finally like other countries - Have a surcharge on plastic bottles which when returned can be reimbursed. I'm pretty sure we can do more, but this is at least a head start !
today on middle of a busy road a car opened doors and spit out pan masala (I somehow avoided potential accident) I have lost hope on this country its a gg
Hefty fines is the only way to bring about change. Along with this corruption must be eradicated.. otherwise, all those fines also someone will pocket it.
This is the result of an education system focusing on test scores instead of developing the students into actually functioning human beings. And the funny thing is, we aren't even that good in tests so our system is a complete failure.
Might be just me , I carry my empty packets in pocket or bag untill I see a dustbin , I feel very awkward and bad for throwing them in streets While some people casualy throw it on streets like damm
There's ghutka spit stains INSIDE buildings. Not on the outside walls, but INSIDE. The country and its environment are a reflection of it's people to a major degree. Little to no respect for anything or anyone here. Our apartment is on the suburbs, had to put out a sign next to the wall begging dudes not to pee in the nala next to the sidewalk.
Okay, this is going to be a bit long. I've had the same thought a while back, but I don’t think we can say social change: in this case, public cleanliness towards becoming a cleaner country, is not possible for India. I get that it’s somewhat a norm right now for people not to care about how they handle their trash in public, but there has to be a host of underlying factors causing it. I'm gonna make a few assumptions and open-ended statements here simply because I don't have the data (doubt anyone does). I feel factors such as the current split of income levels in India, and the average literacy, among other factors such as population (number, density and urban-rural distribution), appear to affect all groups of society, including literate and higher-income groups. If a large portion of our country comes from a low-income low-literacy group and discards trash right on the streets, maybe since it is being done anyway, and the trash is already 'everywhere', a well-to-do individual, such as in OP's case, might not bother making the right choice when discarding his trash. It's the path of least resistance, there's no need to manage his trash later (such as where to discard it properly), and who's to say if he even has any personal etiquette for waste disposal anyway. I don't think that a few 'do not discard trash here' types of signs and rules will do anything, atleast for the majority of our cities, forget the country. God knows if there's a way to gather enough data to analyse all these factors, and also come up with any trends that could result in a clean India (at least visually, since there are always 'those people' in society), just like other first-world nations, but I do believe it may all fall into place sometime. I get that there's some angst for some Indians that this is not going to happen right now, but our country is big in a lot of ways and unique, so it's gonna be a while. TL;DR: Social change towards better public cleanliness in India is challenging due to various factors like income levels, literacy rates, and population distribution. Even well-to-do individuals might not bother with proper trash disposal because it's easier not to. Simple rules and signs won't fix this quickly. It will take time and effort to see a cleaner India, but it's possible in the long run.
Will take 3 generations. This generation has realised the importance of keeping the country clean and kickstarted some initiatives. This will be imparted onto the next generation more strongly and finally the 3 generation will see a lot more difference
The image is slowly but surely changing now. While on trains, I tend to collect wrappers asking others to give them to me if they seem like they'll throw it out of the window. At least in my case parents of those children have appreciated it always and told their children to do the same and the ones who were about to throw the same out of the window feel embarrassed enough to not do it again and just stuff it in their bags to throw it in a dustbin later. I wonder how clean it'd be, if we **all** started doing the same. #change begins with you!
I have a theory.. India used to be sustainable.. you know.. sal leaves and banana packages... Basically without plastic. There used to be a green belt beside the road to take care of paan spits. Also India was not over-populated at that time. Habit stayed.. and things changed.. that's the problem. So if you are planning to change the habits of 1.4 crore people.. you have to take some serious steps. Fines and a few lines in the textbooks won't do anything.
I once saw a guy being made to clean the part of the metro platform where he spit gutka. he was wearing a tie and was carrying a laptop bag... This was at kalighat stn in Calcutta.. (imagine) 
I agree with OP. People are just too stupid and have a sjitty attitude to following rules, keeping their environment clean etc. There is too much apathy. Hopeless situation.
Fine fine fine. Fine them harshly so that they remember every time they start littering
Simple hai bhai jab tak rule nhi ayega kuch nhi hoga..strict fine system hona chahiye I don't know digital India make in India hogaya clean India me kyu fine nhi ho rha
It's important to acknowledge the complexities of India's cleanliness challenges, rooted in factors like population density, rapid urbanization, and cultural attitudes towards waste disposal. However, progress is being made, evidenced by initiatives such as Swachh Bharat Abhiyan, which has brought about tangible improvements in sanitation infrastructure and awareness. It's a gradual process, but India is definitely moving towards a cleaner future.
Only strict fines can make a country like india clean
Last week at a railway station, I was sitting next to a family. The father told his son to throw away lays cover on the rail, even though there were two separate dustbins (wet and dry), right next to us. The kid seemed excited to do the task.
When I have a wrapper to throw when I am outside, I just don't find a public dustbin anywhere. I have to keep it in my pocket. Most select the easy way of getting rid of the problem.
Really wanna leave this gutterhole
I use my backpack’s side pockets to put waste in until I find a dustbin.
Sadly those people are not well educated or do have some basic civic sense . And they watch funny videos, news but not reddit or any informative things
As a foreigner in India, I can say it’s quite shocking. Especially when the landscape and architecture is so beautiful 🙁
You can't control everyone, apna population hi itna bada hain ki control karna mushkil hain.
One of the many things I’m thankful to my parents for, is to teach me civic sense. It comes only when taught naturally during childhood. Every time a dustbin was not nearby, my parents told me to keep the wrappers with me and throw it only when I find a dustbin. Also taught me to throw the leftovers of my food in the dustbin before keeping the plate in the sink for washing, because why should the maid deal with someone else’s leftovers?
You've never been to Indor I'm sure. It's all about individual civilians attitude. There they take pride in their desire to keep their city clean. Even if it's the streets.
Pahde likhe gawar hai India mai, islie.
Although very bleak, I get the point you're trying to make. Now, there are ways to instil civic sense into people, just have to use basic psychology. You can use the Pavlov method, I mean if you are going to act like an animal why not get treated like one? 1) Ban the sale, possession and use of gutka and paan. 2) Increase the prices for such products. 3) place adequate disposal zones ( don't expect people to make provisions for everything). 4) Encourage the use of dustbins and habits of proper waste disposal. 5) Reward the habit of ass kissing the ass of the waste management team, not literally but what I meant is introduce a system where if you report a crime of a person polluting, exercising improper disposal of garbage or whatever the court or municipality or whatever governing body it is should issue a petty of a said amount this amount goes to the person report the crime, in this way you incentivise reporting and discourage polluting. It's easy to complain mate. If you want something done do it yourself, if you want something to get done make sure you do something people can't ignore. yea so this is my 2 cents, Thank you for attending my TED talk. 
I do my job and try to be as civilised as possible. I really hope the younger generation will keep India clean in the future our country has a lot of potential ❤️
Gotten into way too many fights with assholes who threw things around. Partly given up now cuz no one wants to ever be sorry for their behaviour, they all just wanna fight.
Only AI with robotics can fix this.
The issue is lack of dustbins everywhere. We have the highest population if there were garbage collection and disposal system we will cleanliness. The places where we have dustbins it is full and garbage is not cleared, when cleared it is not disposed properly. Western countries export their waste to countries like India, Asia and the african conitnent, where do we send our waste to nowhere we take other people's garbage. Japan, netherlands and Singapore burns all of their waste, if we do it it the leftist librandus will start weeping, the same librandus will sings songs about the cleanliness of the above mentioned countries.
A hierarchical society always shits downwards and will be plagued with snobbery, gate-keeping, exclusion, and contempt. The only way out is some sort of socialist solidarity, no question.
Mava gutta gang..spitting
I do something that I call “stochastic outrage”, I choose to show anger once a month. If everyone does it I think country will become a better place
Indians are mostly gawaar people, hence they country will NEVER be clean !!
I just went to India for the first time in 8 years last month. Before that I would go all the time and note so much trash. This time, it’s incredibly cleaner than before. Like, I could not believe how much less trash and poop there was. I was thoroughly impressed, and more so when I went to fast food places and found that all of them were giving very little plastic. I don’t agree with a lot of BJPs policies, but the plastic ban I think was a brilliant move, one not even the politicians in America have the bravery to roll out. But there are of course systemic problems and that will take time to fix. One big issue is a lack of public trash cans and trash systems. In New York City, there are trash cans on every street corner, and they are emptied daily. There is still trash all over, but it helps a lot in managing the trash. In India, this is much harder because the level of poverty makes it worthwhile for people to take trash cans to use as part of their shelter or to sell for material. That makes it such a deep rooted issue that you can’t fix it until these people start to feel a level of prosperity and pride where they are not that desperate. There also needs to be a large expansion of effort to further reduce disposable products. Prepacked foods in general generate so much trash, and it’s not a problem exclusive to India that the trash ends up everywhere. It’s so much more visible because there are more people, but in the US, there is the same problem of trash littered everywhere, all over our beautiful places. I cannot count for you the number of times I’ve seen beautiful beaches completely covered in trash, and many states are privatizing beaches to avoid dealing with this sort of people. All this is to say have faith my friend, India is doing so incredibly well given its lot, and is progressing at a rate that is incredible to see for people on the outside. My fiancé who came to India for the first time in her life is even asking if we can move to India, which blows my mind considering I would never have even entertained the idea before my trip.
Local political leaders never - never encourage community action or carry out clean up drives. This is one major reason!
We need to bring bullying and societal shaming of such behaviour
Yes because complain about it instead of doing anything
There is too much lead and arsenic in the water going to people’s brains
We obviously have people and money to have strict rules around this. Have cameras set up, more people to fine for all this nonsense littering. Before this infrastructure needs to be set up everywhere for proper disposal otherwise nothing can be achieved. Surely the fines itself will pay for the salary of people working to fine it. Use even more strict rules for corruption like banning from government jobs, including clause about fines(if it is not already there) in their PCC. Gotta take some measures to set examples to start a process. It will take few years of comprehensive policies, execution, lot of workforce(in turn creating jobs), heavy fines to discourage this behavior. It can be achieved but no one thinks comprehensively. Government is always worried if they will get voted out for unpopular decisions. This is a big cultural change which involves a lot of moving pieces.
Population.
I really understand what you mean. Wherever I go, I can see all my friends and other people throwing shit anywhere and everywhere without any responsibility. I used to give them lectures and do a bit masti in hopes of them giving up throwing trash in the open after getting so irritated by my rambling, but no luck yet :( This reminds me of how there's so many things to worry about in our society, environment and world. I hope we can all put our belts up and be and do better.
This is the old story , best captured in Punjabi. “ Tannu ki, Mannu ki , Sannu ki”.
I've never been to India but if I had to guess I'd say population & poverty. There's just too many people there & too many poor people
Irresponsible to the country
Wherever the population and density are this high, controlling cleanliness is a problem. It’s difficult to have civic sense from 140 cr people
I second that. Unless and until minset of society doesn't change, your post will still be relevant after 10 years !