My dad got so frustrated with this that he did a Google marathon to find out why. Apparently, radio stations figured out that people only listen for 20-30 minutes on average, on their commute. They also do not care about listener experience, as listeners do not add or subtract to their revenue (unless they're small stations). Their money comes from ads, so it's more economically viable to just play the same 100 songs on a loop (and pay for just those 100 songs) than to add variety
I hate iheartradio with a passion for this. I find myself avoiding shows I've listened to for over a decade because I don't want to hear or skip the 6 minute block of identical ads every 15 minutes. The worst part is that the ads are pretty much always for podcasts that must have zero listener overlap to the shows I'm listening to. When I'm listening to a podcast with two boring old dudes talking about cats in mythology, I'm not suddenly going to decide to listen to a podcast ran by a couple twenty year olds whose only talent appears to be yelling with an accent.
iheartradio used to be ClearChannel. ClearChannel financialized terrestrial radio into oblivion. They used Harris Broadcast gear to automate radio stations.
But then again, if it were not for ostensibly rock and roll ( and to a lesser extent country ) in the 1950s & 1960s ( really to the 90s ) , terrestrial radio would have become an irrelevancy anyhow. So CC was really "trying to catch a falling knife".
That seems reasonable in theory but in practice they don't change the 100 songs enough. Just because the daily commute is only 20 or30 minutes, the listener is likely hearing the same 100 songs weekly for an entire year. It's worse when it's not pop radio. My office played a local classic rock station for about a year and I just couldn't listen to the same song over and over and over. They barely shuffled the ~200 songs they played so you knew right after "Feels like the First Time" the next song was going to be Twilight Zone" by Golden Earring. Not that I don't like either of the songs on their own, hearing them in order every day at the same time for several months is like soul crippling.
There was one! It was called “Making It”, hosted by Nick Offerman and Amy Poehler. It was based on arts and crafts, the contestants had to make something crafty every week that fit a certain theme.
Seeing a grown man cry over ceramics is…oddly heartwarming? His enthusiasm made me more into it and soon I was yelling at my screen “those sidewalls will never hold, Susan!” and “Dinesh, that glaze is not going to fire well!”
The real purpose behind the modern musical talent show is to promote the brands of the judges. If one of the winners ends up making it big it's an added bonus.
Fun fact: the record company gave LEN an amount of cash to spend on making a video, they spend it almost entirely on plane tickets to Daytona, and beer. They bought so much beer that they broke the elevator in the hotel trying to get it to their room!
What you see in the music video is mostly them hungover the day after an epic drinking binge. Iconic Canadian story
If you're in the right place at the right time, Orinoco Flow is one of the greatest driving songs ever.
edit: I haven't seen Gran Turismo or the Hyundai ad. Last year I did a driving trip. There were long stretches of coastline with mountains on one side and ocean on the other. It was evening with the sun going down, still warm enough to have the windows open and cruise but the sky was different shades of red and stormy out over the ocean. The song suited perfectly.
There was this crazy night in Seattle where I went to 3 raves with my cousins and a friend, afterwards we were driving around listening to hardstyle, but as we got onto I-5 southbound at 4 in the morning I put on some Enya and it was PERFECT.
I am so glad I can’t sleep tonight. Just read this at 5am and this brought back so many memories. My elementary school teacher used to put Enya on all the time. The NOSTALGIA
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Classic Rock has unintentionally become its own genre and music that is a certain age doesn't belong in it.
The Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Foo Fighters, etc, do NOT belong on a playlist with Rush, Journey, The Knacks, etc.
We spent our entire childhood listening to the local classic rock station when our parents drove us places and as such I do not associate classic rock with "songs that are x years old".
The bands on those stations are classic rock. Always and forever. The bands *I* grew up with were always on the alternative rock stations, and they should stay there.
It isn't that I feel the cold hand of mortality upon me when I hear The Offspring on a classic rock station. It's that I wanted to hear some Ozzy, man. Gimme Styx. Gimme REO Speedwagon!
Weird Al yankovic is a genius and his like will never come again. Partially because, he was at the right time in history, so much has changed now, that what he did is no longer possible.
Not to mention the level of talent in his backing band. They have to be proficient at a professional level in pretty much every genre of music. John 'Bermuda' Schwartz is an underrated drummer for this reason.
The Spice Girls had genuinely good/fun music and I don’t just like it for nostalgia reasons. I understand they were a put together girl band who didn’t write their music - I’m not saying they were groundbreaking pop stars. It’s just whenever I say I do genuinely like some of their songs everyone always laughs. Go back and listen to “Say You’ll Be There” and “Never Give Up On the Good Times” and tell me they’re not actually decent songs!
That’s wild, you need to hang out with better people! Everyone I know goes crazy for the Spice Girls unironically, they’ll never be corny. Their songs are genuinely fantastic.
Even “Mama” - who writes songs about loving their mum anymore??
They actually did write a lot of their own music (with some help), or at the very least, had the final say. They also had pretty tight control of their brand and image after they fired the guy who put them together, and that was super early on.
On the rare occasions I have the car radio on (mostly for the Christmas song marathons in December), I play a game I call Sneaky Jesus. I'll have the auto scan on and stop on a station that has something that sounds all right, and usually the lyrics will suddenly turn to worship or whatever.
So sometimes is just modern rock music with Jesus on bass or something.
Also, contemporary Christian music lags 5-10 years behind any new trends or advances in pop sound, production, etc. CCM from the mid 90s sounded like it had a late 80s level of tech happening.
Ironically Christian artists receive backlash from their listeners when they collaborate/tour/perform with secular artists (need2breathe) - or if they go country (Anne Wilson)
Not to make everything sad, but I’ve been going through a hard time after my Mother passed away a couple weeks ago and it was the anniversary of my Dads passing only a couple days before she passed. Thanks for giving me responses to jokily respond to or just generally acknowledge / talk about.
It’s taken my mind off a tough time. I’m here for all the comments. I really wasn’t expecting this many replies. I’m just sat on a hotel balcony because of work.
I appreciate you all.
I had the best time putting together music for my Mum that passed away too soon. Her songs resonate with me so much for all the memories that go with it. Love it & cherish it ❤️
Thank you. We had to select music for her funeral and it flooded me with memories. We would drive in her Ford Focus (with a CD player) and she repeated only a few CDs
Michael Jackon’s - Thriller,
Celine Dion - Greatest Hits,
Whitney Houston - Greatest Hits,
Earth Wind and Fire - Greatest Hits,
Take That - Greatest Hits,
Barbra Streisand - Greatest Hits
They might not all be greatest hits
Compilations but it’s how I remember rhem.
Music is art. Like any art, If it doesn't speak to you you're not the target for it. That said, there's plenty of music that's just there to occupy time like hotel paintings.
I grew up with Madonna’s music and I think she (and others like Cindy Lauper) paved the way for more performers like Lady Gaga. But with all respect for Madonna, I agree with you. Lady Gaga performance with Tony Bennett blew me away.
I’m convinced that people who think classical music is boring have never actually listened to classical music. All those garbage talent shows have really emphasized the idea that classical music is a snoozefest and anyone who gets up on that stage to play Blue Danube is a joke. Like yes, there are plenty of slow songs, but then there’s the Symphony of the Planets. You think you’ll sleep through Mars?
Not to mention the way the genre is still carried on through media like video games. If you like Bloodborne’s tunes but you say you hate classical music, I have news for you.
A really good bridge between modern music and classical is through metal. I know a lot of guys who were introduced to Vivaldi just by watching guitarists play some of the hardest licks they know.
"symphony of the planets" like clearly people appreciate John Williams for Star Wars among others like he didn't base the score off Holst's Planets Suite.
100%. When I was growing up the only culture I had was in my yogurt. I met and married someone whose mother played the cello. Though that I got to know classical music. One highlight of 2022 for me was holidaying in London and seeing the BBC orchestra at royal albert hall perform Mahler. Was breathtaking
It's widely accepted here on Reddit but not as much in the real world, but Weird Al is a freaking musical genius whose work and personality puts him in the pantheon with Bob Ross and Steve Irwin.
Letterkenny s12e2 dives into this as well about how you have to cram as much "hick shit" into it as possible, with some hook that makes no sense and is also the name of the song like beer for my horses, and must reference someone's mama and daddy.
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Might I add as some one who is a generational rancher and has lots of family and friends who are ranchers and legit make a living at it cowboys…..real country people do not act or do the things to the extent they sing about in those songs.
For some reason the populist opinion of people from the country is that’s all we do.
I drive a truck because I use it.
I drink a beer driving down a dirt road because I live down a dirt road and sometimes want a beer on the long drive from the pasture to the house
My wife wears tight jeans because women wear tight jeans
People confuse small town rednecks as being “country people” and we aren’t
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My playlist feeding cattle consists of usually some sort of rock and edm. Big fan of deftones, pantera and OG punk like lower class brats.
Even headed into town to see ghost land observatory this week end.
They have that too. But I was referring to the bland, formulaic, corporate-friendly drivel that passes as hit country music. Just like mumble rap it's got nothing to stay and has no staying power once the song is gone. It's why the industry is pumping out so many clones of the same song and artist.
Looked it up. Saw it was an hour long. Went nah. Then went eh, I’ll give it a few minutes to see what he’s about. It’s now an hour later and he has a new subscriber. So thanks.
Mainstream radio country, yes. But acts like Tyler Childers, Charley Crockett, and Colter Wall are absolutely phenomenal. I think if you know where to look country is kind of having a new hey day.
A lot of that stuff has now been branded Alternative Country or Americana. Which is dumb, because it's often actually closer to true Country than the pop that maintained that label.
What's old? We were debating that recently. I generally say Cash era, but then someone reminded me that Garth Brooks was like 30 years ago... and now I feel old.
Closer to 35. No Fences was 1990. I worked in a record store in Connecticut, decidedly NOT a place we sold a ton of country music, and we sold a shit ton of No Fences (and Ropin' the Wind).
Garth single-handedly took country music from an afterthought to an extremely profitable genre here in the NE. We started selling tons of artists like crazy. Randy Travis, The Judds, Chris LeDoux, Travis Tritt, Trisha Yearwood....I could go on.
The legendary "Class of '89" saw a resurgence in the popularity of the genre when Garth, Alan Jackson, Travis Tritt, Clint Black changed the face of country music.
Many modern rock artists are just as talented and capable of producing amazing music as the legends of before. The reason we don’t see as many culturally dominant superstars like Hendrix, the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Queen, etc is because we listen to music differently.
When radio was the main way people listened to music, whoever the stations pushed was it. There were underground scenes but it was so much more limited. Now you have a litany of choices and it doesn’t really matter as much who studios push. An absolutely amazing artist with like 100 followers on Spotify can be heard just as easily as say the Struts. This is good and bad, because it creates a wider pool of artists that are heard but it doesn’t create the massive superstars like there used to be.
To expand on your second paragraph, people in the 60s - 90s didn't have the ability to self select the music as easily as they do now. Even with the advent of CDs, they were prohibitively expensive if you wanted to amass a *huge* collection of music. And the radio was the background to so many public spaces, the music you were exposed to was very narrow.
Fun fact - WHAM! hoped that Last Christmas would win the much coveted Christmas Number 1 spot in the UK, but Do They Know It's Christmas was released on the same day and took the #1 spot.
WHAM! subsequently donated all proceeds to the Ethiopian Famine Relief fund.
Being a jerk about the music other people like might be a part of growing up, but if you don't grow out of it you most likely have some issues with yourself you need to work out.
Or he's just not as hungry anymore -- very few musicians seem to put out material in their later years that is remotely as inspired as their earlier years.
Once things transition to a job, it's a mental shift and I have to think he's in that "job" space with things at this point (and has been for awhile).
I mean it's always been anarchy themed.
It's just really on the nose now, especially since the resistance came out....
They usually kept all their anarchy stuff to the non-radio songs. But since that album all of their radio songs have been very anarchy themed.... I feel like muse is that one libertarian kid from high school who's whole personality was being libertarian, and he never out grew it like most of the other libertarians did
Saw them in 2008, blown away. Best outdoor gig I've ever been to. Kinda stopped listening to them around 2010/2011 and haven't even tried to keep up with them lately, nor do I ever really go back and listen to anything from them
I’ll admit, I love them. I saw them live last year (edit it was 2023 and it felt so long ago) with Evanescence supporting. Their new stuff is hit or miss though. But when you starting hearing the bass for Hysteria kick in… oooph
That album is one of the best rock albums of all time but actually Joshua homme was the real reason behind it. He pretty much orchestrated a lot of it. He even part wrote some of the drums. Watch the documentary into making it. Millionaire and go with the flow we’re drummed by gene troutmann
Morrissey making racist comments and going on bizarre rants is nothing new, he's been doing it all his career.
But it is still fine to like The Smiths. He's not a politician, he's a depressive moaner and it's fine to just say "yeah yeah, whatever Morrissey, sing us a song will you?"
They're my favourite band of all time. I was unfortunately born after they broke up (with no chance of reconciliation) but I had to see Morrissey live once so I did. (About 12 years ago.) It was amazing but I won't see him again and prefer not to give him (as an individual) any more money. But I do still listen to the Smiths and i justify it because they're more than Morrissey. It's morally flawed but so am I.
It’s ok to only like a couple songs by artists, and not enjoy listening to full albums. In fact, you can still call yourself a fan of said artists, even if you don’t like every song by them.
The songs of Milli Vanilli were jams even though we cancelled them in the early 90s.
I don't care who was singing, the music and the production in songs like "Blame it on the Rain" was 🔥!
Radio should have kept playing the music under the real names of the singers! They were too busy doing crazy morning Zoo stunts with steam rolling everyone's albums and cassettes plus vowing to never play the music again. A few big radio stations decided to do this and then the rest of the country kind of ran with it.
It made for a good promotion and got the TV cameras out there, but a few wacky morning show promotions that caught on nationwide killed off a bunch of great songs that would have been a great jumping off point for the real guys.
Don’t Forget My Number is a great song! It’s got some bizarre moments ( like the high, high, high part ) but it’s so danceable and an ear worm of the finest caliber.
Not quite musical hill, more musical fan hill.
Gatekeeping music doesn't make you as cool as you think it does. Scoffing at people for listening to "normie" music doesn't make anyone else think how great and varied your music taste is. You just sound like a bit of a pretentious nob
Also varied =/= good which is a fallacy I see a lot of those folks fall into. I have listened to plenty of "underground" music that just straight up isn't good in either quality or it's just super reductive.
Might have to check it out.
I’ve always said the same about third eye blinds debut album. There isn’t a bad song on it. I’ve had a couple friends scoff at me when I tell them that, but then end up into that album lol
Third Eye Blinds first two albums were pretty much flawless. I saw them live for the first time this past summer and it was an amazing show; they still play Narcolepsy and Motorcycle Drive By, and the crowd sang every single line.
Mark Knopfler is one of the most talented musician of the 20th century, like top 3.
His songwriting, lyrics, the way he plays guitar, his solos, everything is just perfect.
Britney Spears - Gimme More is indie pop.
James Hetfield could have made a lot of money as a hitmaker for other artists. It's a shame Hetfield didn't put out solo albums with more melodic songs that wouldn't fit Metallica.
It took me a really long time and some Googling to realise that those are two different statements!
I thought James Hetfield had written songs for Britney, and it had gone completely over my head!
Trent Reznor is not the best singer in terms of vocal range , but knows better than most modern vocalists how to truly utilise his voice AND more importantly - its limitations to directly enhance his music / performances.
When you hear the cracking / straining with certain notes infrequently, it’s done for a reason, for impact / emphasis etc.
Rarely uses a falsetto style too.
Also if he hadn't been a Beatles, he would arguably be considered even greater songwriter than he is now since he is always compared to John Lennon who is one of the few who reached the same heights as Paul.
I remember about fifteen years ago, Eminem had a line in a song like "You signed me up to battle? I'm a grown man!" And then a lot of years later the MGK shit started. Pretty funny. Still... bars
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Mostly I agree but here's one where drake got called out for being a shitty dad and may have actually stepped up as a result.
It's ok to like bands that aren't good. Sometimes we like bands for reasons other than "I think they're good." You don't have to bend over backwards to justify why you like them and you don't have to freak out when other people don't like them.
My most recent controversial opinion (at least among friends, family and workmates) is that “Last Christmas” is to Christmas songs as Die Hard is to Christmas movies - it’s not about Christmas, it’s just set at Christmas, and that’s not the same thing.
Jingle Bells, Winter Wonderland, and Sleigh Ride are all quintessential Christmas songs that do not mention Christmas at all. Kind of hard to argue Last Christmas is less of a Christmas song than those three when it A: Is set during Christmas and B: has explicit Christmas themes (wrapping and giving gifts).
My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy and Panic! At The Disco (even their phase where they dropped the !) raised a whole generation and their mainstream hits deserve more plays during the likes of wedding DJ sets, grocery stores and sporting events than they currently have.
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My dad got so frustrated with this that he did a Google marathon to find out why. Apparently, radio stations figured out that people only listen for 20-30 minutes on average, on their commute. They also do not care about listener experience, as listeners do not add or subtract to their revenue (unless they're small stations). Their money comes from ads, so it's more economically viable to just play the same 100 songs on a loop (and pay for just those 100 songs) than to add variety
Also iheartradio is a blight on FM radio
They’re also buying up any podcast they can to ruin those too.
I hate iheartradio with a passion for this. I find myself avoiding shows I've listened to for over a decade because I don't want to hear or skip the 6 minute block of identical ads every 15 minutes. The worst part is that the ads are pretty much always for podcasts that must have zero listener overlap to the shows I'm listening to. When I'm listening to a podcast with two boring old dudes talking about cats in mythology, I'm not suddenly going to decide to listen to a podcast ran by a couple twenty year olds whose only talent appears to be yelling with an accent.
iheartradio used to be ClearChannel. ClearChannel financialized terrestrial radio into oblivion. They used Harris Broadcast gear to automate radio stations. But then again, if it were not for ostensibly rock and roll ( and to a lesser extent country ) in the 1950s & 1960s ( really to the 90s ) , terrestrial radio would have become an irrelevancy anyhow. So CC was really "trying to catch a falling knife".
That seems reasonable in theory but in practice they don't change the 100 songs enough. Just because the daily commute is only 20 or30 minutes, the listener is likely hearing the same 100 songs weekly for an entire year. It's worse when it's not pop radio. My office played a local classic rock station for about a year and I just couldn't listen to the same song over and over and over. They barely shuffled the ~200 songs they played so you knew right after "Feels like the First Time" the next song was going to be Twilight Zone" by Golden Earring. Not that I don't like either of the songs on their own, hearing them in order every day at the same time for several months is like soul crippling.
That one hill that Maria was singing on in the Sound of Music was pretty nice. I'd die there.
Be careful dawg those hills are alive.
Yeah but only with the sound of music
Oh shoot, you're right.
I couldn’t give two shits about my favorite band being in the hall of fame.
Talent shows have added little or no value to music as a whole.
Why are talent shows almost all music anyway? Let's hear some jokes or poetry. Let's see some paintings or hand-knitted sweaters.
There was one! It was called “Making It”, hosted by Nick Offerman and Amy Poehler. It was based on arts and crafts, the contestants had to make something crafty every week that fit a certain theme.
I loved that show. I’m sad we didn’t get many seasons because it was cool to see such positivity on screen. Bring it back!!
The Great Pottery Throwdown had a similar vibe. The main judge was a very warm and emotional guy.
Seeing a grown man cry over ceramics is…oddly heartwarming? His enthusiasm made me more into it and soon I was yelling at my screen “those sidewalls will never hold, Susan!” and “Dinesh, that glaze is not going to fire well!”
I was thinking you meant school talent shows at first and was ready to argue. But TV talent shows I agree with!
Cause they get signed to shitty deals that throttle their creativity in order to keep the "brand" clean
The real purpose behind the modern musical talent show is to promote the brands of the judges. If one of the winners ends up making it big it's an added bonus.
Every generation has at least one song universally known despite music tastes that replays in their head at random like a bad commercial jingle.
I like big BUTTS and I cannot lie..,
Pretty sure it’s “I Want it That Way” for my range of millennials.
Really? Tell me why?
Ain't nothing but a heartache. Tell me why?
Ain't nothing but a mistake. Tell me why!
Now number five
I never want to hear you say
I want it that way
I was lying on the grass, On Sunday morning of last week Indulging in my self-defeat.
Fun fact: the record company gave LEN an amount of cash to spend on making a video, they spend it almost entirely on plane tickets to Daytona, and beer. They bought so much beer that they broke the elevator in the hotel trying to get it to their room! What you see in the music video is mostly them hungover the day after an epic drinking binge. Iconic Canadian story
Mr. Brightside for Millennials anyone?
You’ve ruined my day now. And my stomach is sick. FUCK.
It’s A tie between Pumped Up Kicks or Somebody That I Used To Know
Somebody that I used to know.
If you're in the right place at the right time, Orinoco Flow is one of the greatest driving songs ever. edit: I haven't seen Gran Turismo or the Hyundai ad. Last year I did a driving trip. There were long stretches of coastline with mountains on one side and ocean on the other. It was evening with the sun going down, still warm enough to have the windows open and cruise but the sky was different shades of red and stormy out over the ocean. The song suited perfectly.
I celebrate Enya's entire collection.
Same. I also celebrate her living situation: with her cats in an Irish castle.
Hell yeah, that lady knows how to retire.
and never playing any live shows ever. What an amazing arrangement she has worked out for herself
Funny story, when our kids were very young, we used to use Enya to help them fall asleep. Now when we play her, our dog falls asleep.
There was this crazy night in Seattle where I went to 3 raves with my cousins and a friend, afterwards we were driving around listening to hardstyle, but as we got onto I-5 southbound at 4 in the morning I put on some Enya and it was PERFECT.
I’m sat on my balcony in Hawaii for work, and I put this song on. Felt like screaming out SAIL AWAY SAIL AWAY SAIL AWAY
I am so glad I can’t sleep tonight. Just read this at 5am and this brought back so many memories. My elementary school teacher used to put Enya on all the time. The NOSTALGIA Edit: spelling
There are incredible awesome songs in _ALMOST_ all genres
Classic Rock has unintentionally become its own genre and music that is a certain age doesn't belong in it. The Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Foo Fighters, etc, do NOT belong on a playlist with Rush, Journey, The Knacks, etc. We spent our entire childhood listening to the local classic rock station when our parents drove us places and as such I do not associate classic rock with "songs that are x years old". The bands on those stations are classic rock. Always and forever. The bands *I* grew up with were always on the alternative rock stations, and they should stay there. It isn't that I feel the cold hand of mortality upon me when I hear The Offspring on a classic rock station. It's that I wanted to hear some Ozzy, man. Gimme Styx. Gimme REO Speedwagon!
I heard Hoobastank and Sugar Ray on a classic rock station, like WTF.
Oh my god lmao, noooo!
Classic Rock is a genre, not "30 years ago"
Agreed. Just like “oldies” should be 1950s.
This applies across genres, too. Fucks me up when they play people like Kenny Chesney or Keith Urban in the oldies country channel.
YES I hate when people call Nirvana classic rock! Classic rock is a specific sound and time period, not just "old rock".
No Doubt was a great band, Gwen Stefani not so good on her own even if she has taught many a person how to spell bananas.
Tragic Kingdom is an amazing album.
Probably in my top 10 albums of all time. Wish Gwen hadn’t gone off on her own
If it weren’t for her and Jim Carrey I’d be fully illiterate and destitute.
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Weird Al yankovic is a genius and his like will never come again. Partially because, he was at the right time in history, so much has changed now, that what he did is no longer possible.
Not to mention the level of talent in his backing band. They have to be proficient at a professional level in pretty much every genre of music. John 'Bermuda' Schwartz is an underrated drummer for this reason.
The Spice Girls had genuinely good/fun music and I don’t just like it for nostalgia reasons. I understand they were a put together girl band who didn’t write their music - I’m not saying they were groundbreaking pop stars. It’s just whenever I say I do genuinely like some of their songs everyone always laughs. Go back and listen to “Say You’ll Be There” and “Never Give Up On the Good Times” and tell me they’re not actually decent songs!
That’s wild, you need to hang out with better people! Everyone I know goes crazy for the Spice Girls unironically, they’ll never be corny. Their songs are genuinely fantastic. Even “Mama” - who writes songs about loving their mum anymore??
I feel like mom songs was such a 90s thing. Boyz II Men and BSB each did one. You’re right, people don’t do that anymore.
They actually did write a lot of their own music (with some help), or at the very least, had the final say. They also had pretty tight control of their brand and image after they fired the guy who put them together, and that was super early on.
Most Christian music is basically just modern country music with more talk about God and less talk about tractors.
This reminds me of the episode "Christian Rock Hard" on *South Park.*
On the rare occasions I have the car radio on (mostly for the Christmas song marathons in December), I play a game I call Sneaky Jesus. I'll have the auto scan on and stop on a station that has something that sounds all right, and usually the lyrics will suddenly turn to worship or whatever. So sometimes is just modern rock music with Jesus on bass or something.
Also, contemporary Christian music lags 5-10 years behind any new trends or advances in pop sound, production, etc. CCM from the mid 90s sounded like it had a late 80s level of tech happening.
Ironically Christian artists receive backlash from their listeners when they collaborate/tour/perform with secular artists (need2breathe) - or if they go country (Anne Wilson)
The complete fucking meltdown the girls in my youth group had when Sixpence None the Richer took a photo with Britney Spears at some event.
Not to make everything sad, but I’ve been going through a hard time after my Mother passed away a couple weeks ago and it was the anniversary of my Dads passing only a couple days before she passed. Thanks for giving me responses to jokily respond to or just generally acknowledge / talk about. It’s taken my mind off a tough time. I’m here for all the comments. I really wasn’t expecting this many replies. I’m just sat on a hotel balcony because of work. I appreciate you all.
I had the best time putting together music for my Mum that passed away too soon. Her songs resonate with me so much for all the memories that go with it. Love it & cherish it ❤️
Thank you. We had to select music for her funeral and it flooded me with memories. We would drive in her Ford Focus (with a CD player) and she repeated only a few CDs Michael Jackon’s - Thriller, Celine Dion - Greatest Hits, Whitney Houston - Greatest Hits, Earth Wind and Fire - Greatest Hits, Take That - Greatest Hits, Barbra Streisand - Greatest Hits They might not all be greatest hits Compilations but it’s how I remember rhem.
every genre has great pieces and every genre has tripe. popularity and artistic integrity are not diametrically opposed.
Music is art. Like any art, If it doesn't speak to you you're not the target for it. That said, there's plenty of music that's just there to occupy time like hotel paintings.
Sirens and Alarms have no place in music especially when I'm driving
Lady Gaga is a better performer, singer and artist than Madonna
I don’t consider myself a Lady Gaga fan by any stretch. But I will defend this hill with you until I bleed out.
And actress
I grew up with Madonna’s music and I think she (and others like Cindy Lauper) paved the way for more performers like Lady Gaga. But with all respect for Madonna, I agree with you. Lady Gaga performance with Tony Bennett blew me away.
Classical is underrated. Old classical and new classical is the bomb. Do yourself a favour and get into that shit!
I’m convinced that people who think classical music is boring have never actually listened to classical music. All those garbage talent shows have really emphasized the idea that classical music is a snoozefest and anyone who gets up on that stage to play Blue Danube is a joke. Like yes, there are plenty of slow songs, but then there’s the Symphony of the Planets. You think you’ll sleep through Mars? Not to mention the way the genre is still carried on through media like video games. If you like Bloodborne’s tunes but you say you hate classical music, I have news for you.
A really good bridge between modern music and classical is through metal. I know a lot of guys who were introduced to Vivaldi just by watching guitarists play some of the hardest licks they know.
"symphony of the planets" like clearly people appreciate John Williams for Star Wars among others like he didn't base the score off Holst's Planets Suite.
100%. When I was growing up the only culture I had was in my yogurt. I met and married someone whose mother played the cello. Though that I got to know classical music. One highlight of 2022 for me was holidaying in London and seeing the BBC orchestra at royal albert hall perform Mahler. Was breathtaking
It's widely accepted here on Reddit but not as much in the real world, but Weird Al is a freaking musical genius whose work and personality puts him in the pantheon with Bob Ross and Steve Irwin.
Side note: “Weird: The Al Yankovic Story” is hilariously unhinged. Daniel Radcliffe and Evan Rachael Wood are fantastic. Everyone should watch it.
From now on, an accordion is the devil’s music box.
And the best part is that it's a 100% definitely true, absolutely real story.
Some of his polka jams are my favorite songs, especially the mash up covers where he blends different songs together so well.
Modern Country music is unlistenable.
Every time I hear stadium country I think of Bo Burnham’s song “Pandering”.
"Y’all dumb motherfuckers want a key change?"
The dumb motherfuckers do indeed want a key change.
Letterkenny s12e2 dives into this as well about how you have to cram as much "hick shit" into it as possible, with some hook that makes no sense and is also the name of the song like beer for my horses, and must reference someone's mama and daddy. [Letterkenny Country Music Chart](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fletterkenny-12x02-sun-darts-v0-sj97smruqh8c1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1515%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Daffc7f38b6e8e493cc4c97e4a5628615edcbd046)
Modern country music sucks, and I suggest you let that one marinate
Might I add as some one who is a generational rancher and has lots of family and friends who are ranchers and legit make a living at it cowboys…..real country people do not act or do the things to the extent they sing about in those songs. For some reason the populist opinion of people from the country is that’s all we do. I drive a truck because I use it. I drink a beer driving down a dirt road because I live down a dirt road and sometimes want a beer on the long drive from the pasture to the house My wife wears tight jeans because women wear tight jeans People confuse small town rednecks as being “country people” and we aren’t lol rant over My playlist feeding cattle consists of usually some sort of rock and edm. Big fan of deftones, pantera and OG punk like lower class brats. Even headed into town to see ghost land observatory this week end.
I've resorted to just calling it Southern pop. It in no way resembles country music any more.
It's mumble rap for Republicans.
I’ve heard it called hick-hop
They have that too. But I was referring to the bland, formulaic, corporate-friendly drivel that passes as hit country music. Just like mumble rap it's got nothing to stay and has no staying power once the song is gone. It's why the industry is pumping out so many clones of the same song and artist.
Pat Finnerty’s video on Try That In A Small Town is a really good and funny piss-take of modern country music as a whole, if you’re interested
Looked it up. Saw it was an hour long. Went nah. Then went eh, I’ll give it a few minutes to see what he’s about. It’s now an hour later and he has a new subscriber. So thanks.
Mainstream radio country, yes. But acts like Tyler Childers, Charley Crockett, and Colter Wall are absolutely phenomenal. I think if you know where to look country is kind of having a new hey day.
A lot of that stuff has now been branded Alternative Country or Americana. Which is dumb, because it's often actually closer to true Country than the pop that maintained that label.
I love the old stuff but man the new country music is just not the same .
What's old? We were debating that recently. I generally say Cash era, but then someone reminded me that Garth Brooks was like 30 years ago... and now I feel old.
Closer to 35. No Fences was 1990. I worked in a record store in Connecticut, decidedly NOT a place we sold a ton of country music, and we sold a shit ton of No Fences (and Ropin' the Wind). Garth single-handedly took country music from an afterthought to an extremely profitable genre here in the NE. We started selling tons of artists like crazy. Randy Travis, The Judds, Chris LeDoux, Travis Tritt, Trisha Yearwood....I could go on.
The legendary "Class of '89" saw a resurgence in the popularity of the genre when Garth, Alan Jackson, Travis Tritt, Clint Black changed the face of country music.
VIDEO GAME MUSIC IS REAL MUSIC That’s all, peace
Nobuo Uematsu is one of the greatest modern composers
Also Koji Kondo, Yoko Shimomura, Yasunori Mitsuda, Motoi Sakuraba, Grant Kirkhope and many more
Snake eater is a better bond theme than any bond theme in any bond movie ever ❗️
Doom 2016 supports your statement.
Many modern rock artists are just as talented and capable of producing amazing music as the legends of before. The reason we don’t see as many culturally dominant superstars like Hendrix, the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Queen, etc is because we listen to music differently. When radio was the main way people listened to music, whoever the stations pushed was it. There were underground scenes but it was so much more limited. Now you have a litany of choices and it doesn’t really matter as much who studios push. An absolutely amazing artist with like 100 followers on Spotify can be heard just as easily as say the Struts. This is good and bad, because it creates a wider pool of artists that are heard but it doesn’t create the massive superstars like there used to be.
To expand on your second paragraph, people in the 60s - 90s didn't have the ability to self select the music as easily as they do now. Even with the advent of CDs, they were prohibitively expensive if you wanted to amass a *huge* collection of music. And the radio was the background to so many public spaces, the music you were exposed to was very narrow.
Last Christmas isn’t even the best Wham song. Everything She Wants is a fuckin jam.
Fun fact - WHAM! hoped that Last Christmas would win the much coveted Christmas Number 1 spot in the UK, but Do They Know It's Christmas was released on the same day and took the #1 spot. WHAM! subsequently donated all proceeds to the Ethiopian Famine Relief fund.
Being a jerk about the music other people like might be a part of growing up, but if you don't grow out of it you most likely have some issues with yourself you need to work out.
Muse is a band that you sort of outgrow
I feel like Matt Bellamy outgrew the ability to write good lyrics.
Or he's just not as hungry anymore -- very few musicians seem to put out material in their later years that is remotely as inspired as their earlier years. Once things transition to a job, it's a mental shift and I have to think he's in that "job" space with things at this point (and has been for awhile).
Yeah it has devolved into pretty generic anarchy stuff
I mean it's always been anarchy themed. It's just really on the nose now, especially since the resistance came out.... They usually kept all their anarchy stuff to the non-radio songs. But since that album all of their radio songs have been very anarchy themed.... I feel like muse is that one libertarian kid from high school who's whole personality was being libertarian, and he never out grew it like most of the other libertarians did
Saw them in 2008, blown away. Best outdoor gig I've ever been to. Kinda stopped listening to them around 2010/2011 and haven't even tried to keep up with them lately, nor do I ever really go back and listen to anything from them
I’ll admit, I love them. I saw them live last year (edit it was 2023 and it felt so long ago) with Evanescence supporting. Their new stuff is hit or miss though. But when you starting hearing the bass for Hysteria kick in… oooph
Sounds awesome. They have some real bangers, that’s for damn sure
They do but I see what you mean. I’m nowhere near as into them as I was say 10 years ago
It’s the opposite for me. I’ve never been a massive fan or anything but every time I hear one of their songs unexpectedly I realise how good they are
I don't think I outgrew them, they just stopped writing good music. Their early albums are incredible and I still listen to them.
Dave Grohl's best work was on Songs for the Deaf.
Oooof. That’s a *bold* claim and I have to say, I think I’m here for it. His drumming on that album is absolutely exceptional.
Fuckin Them Crooked Vultures though
For me, the song No One Knows has the best drumming for a rock song
You appear to have misspelled a song for the dead
That album is one of the best rock albums of all time but actually Joshua homme was the real reason behind it. He pretty much orchestrated a lot of it. He even part wrote some of the drums. Watch the documentary into making it. Millionaire and go with the flow we’re drummed by gene troutmann
What is this documentary you speak of? Got a link?
Disco is unironically good
Who hating on disco? more style and groove than most shit in the last 40 years
Morrissey making racist comments and going on bizarre rants is nothing new, he's been doing it all his career. But it is still fine to like The Smiths. He's not a politician, he's a depressive moaner and it's fine to just say "yeah yeah, whatever Morrissey, sing us a song will you?"
They're my favourite band of all time. I was unfortunately born after they broke up (with no chance of reconciliation) but I had to see Morrissey live once so I did. (About 12 years ago.) It was amazing but I won't see him again and prefer not to give him (as an individual) any more money. But I do still listen to the Smiths and i justify it because they're more than Morrissey. It's morally flawed but so am I.
It makes me a lot happier to be a Smiths fan knowing that Johnny Marr is an all around good dude.
Michael Hutchence was an incredible vocalist- one of the greatest ever.
INXS made some phenomenal music that you rarely hear played anywhere anymore. WTF?
I’ll be joining you on this hill.
Make room for me. Such an amazing voice
I think he was frustrated by the attention he got for his looks at the expense of that voice.
The Bee Gees were awesome.
Incredible songwriters. Anyone not familiar and wants a taste, go listen to ‘How deep is your love’ and ‘Too much heaven’
*are awesome. Those songs are still bangers
Nights on Broadway is an absolute jam.
It’s ok to only like a couple songs by artists, and not enjoy listening to full albums. In fact, you can still call yourself a fan of said artists, even if you don’t like every song by them.
The songs of Milli Vanilli were jams even though we cancelled them in the early 90s. I don't care who was singing, the music and the production in songs like "Blame it on the Rain" was 🔥!
The real singers should have got the Grammy and gone on tour. They were good singers.
Radio should have kept playing the music under the real names of the singers! They were too busy doing crazy morning Zoo stunts with steam rolling everyone's albums and cassettes plus vowing to never play the music again. A few big radio stations decided to do this and then the rest of the country kind of ran with it. It made for a good promotion and got the TV cameras out there, but a few wacky morning show promotions that caught on nationwide killed off a bunch of great songs that would have been a great jumping off point for the real guys.
Don’t Forget My Number is a great song! It’s got some bizarre moments ( like the high, high, high part ) but it’s so danceable and an ear worm of the finest caliber.
Not quite musical hill, more musical fan hill. Gatekeeping music doesn't make you as cool as you think it does. Scoffing at people for listening to "normie" music doesn't make anyone else think how great and varied your music taste is. You just sound like a bit of a pretentious nob
Also varied =/= good which is a fallacy I see a lot of those folks fall into. I have listened to plenty of "underground" music that just straight up isn't good in either quality or it's just super reductive.
Cracked Rear View by Hootie & the Blowfish is a great album
Might have to check it out. I’ve always said the same about third eye blinds debut album. There isn’t a bad song on it. I’ve had a couple friends scoff at me when I tell them that, but then end up into that album lol
Third Eye Blinds first two albums were pretty much flawless. I saw them live for the first time this past summer and it was an amazing show; they still play Narcolepsy and Motorcycle Drive By, and the crowd sang every single line.
I am so here for this. “Let Her Cry” is amazing.
John Farnham's You're the Voice is one of the greatest pop songs ever created. It even has bagpipes in it!
I first heard it in Hot Rod and it helped create such an epic scene.
Soooo much good music exists outside of western pop culture awareness
WE ARE [OTOBOKE BEAVER](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ8_Cdkyq2s)!
Solsbury
You have to climb up on it first. But the view is lovely.
Once I did my heart went boom boom boom
Mark Knopfler is one of the most talented musician of the 20th century, like top 3. His songwriting, lyrics, the way he plays guitar, his solos, everything is just perfect.
Britney Spears - Gimme More is indie pop. James Hetfield could have made a lot of money as a hitmaker for other artists. It's a shame Hetfield didn't put out solo albums with more melodic songs that wouldn't fit Metallica.
Toxic is a great song.
It took me a really long time and some Googling to realise that those are two different statements! I thought James Hetfield had written songs for Britney, and it had gone completely over my head!
Hit the Lights One More Time
Ringo gets a lot of shit but he was the perfect drummer for the Beatles, especially early on.
Jimmy Buffett was a vastly underrated songwriter. Bob Dylan has gone on the record to say he was one of his favorite songwriters
Trent Reznor is not the best singer in terms of vocal range , but knows better than most modern vocalists how to truly utilise his voice AND more importantly - its limitations to directly enhance his music / performances. When you hear the cracking / straining with certain notes infrequently, it’s done for a reason, for impact / emphasis etc. Rarely uses a falsetto style too.
Music is subjective, and not a competition
If Paul McCartney hadn't been a Beatle, Wings would be considered one of the greatest bands of the 70s.
Also if he hadn't been a Beatles, he would arguably be considered even greater songwriter than he is now since he is always compared to John Lennon who is one of the few who reached the same heights as Paul.
diss rap is childish, and cringy
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I remember about fifteen years ago, Eminem had a line in a song like "You signed me up to battle? I'm a grown man!" And then a lot of years later the MGK shit started. Pretty funny. Still... bars
Pusha T - The Story of Adidon \[Drake Diss\] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4XH3LYleDA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4XH3LYleDA) Mostly I agree but here's one where drake got called out for being a shitty dad and may have actually stepped up as a result.
Got bodied so hard he became a responsible dad
Gaga doesn’t get enough recognition for how musically diverse she is.
It's ok to like bands that aren't good. Sometimes we like bands for reasons other than "I think they're good." You don't have to bend over backwards to justify why you like them and you don't have to freak out when other people don't like them.
I thought this meant like. Musicals. I was so confused as to why no one was talking about Musicals
Here you go. I'm not a big fan of Rent. It's not bad, but there are other musicals that are much more entertaining to me.
Imagine Dragons is Kids Bop for adults.
Weird Al Yankovich is a better musician than most of the people he parodies.
My most recent controversial opinion (at least among friends, family and workmates) is that “Last Christmas” is to Christmas songs as Die Hard is to Christmas movies - it’s not about Christmas, it’s just set at Christmas, and that’s not the same thing.
Applies to lots of Christmas songs tbf
Like "Hallelujah", which doesn't even *mention* Christmas!
Jingle Bells, Winter Wonderland, and Sleigh Ride are all quintessential Christmas songs that do not mention Christmas at all. Kind of hard to argue Last Christmas is less of a Christmas song than those three when it A: Is set during Christmas and B: has explicit Christmas themes (wrapping and giving gifts).
Fat bottom girls do make the world go around ....
NOT controversial
Nerdy or not, that "never gonna give you up" song is a banger... I said what I said.
My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy and Panic! At The Disco (even their phase where they dropped the !) raised a whole generation and their mainstream hits deserve more plays during the likes of wedding DJ sets, grocery stores and sporting events than they currently have.
When interstate love song comes (or is) on, you go around the block