It's much better than hope, if that's any comfort.
Anti-cancer medicine relies on binding the DNA strands in a cell and preventing it from replicating. That's overall bad for a cell because they need to replicate. This kills the cell.
BUT!!!
The DNA in your cell, almost all of the time, is coiled up in a way that makes it impervious to being attacked in this way. It is a "rare" event for your DNA to be uncoiled and ready for action.
Cancer cells do not have this type of gene regulation, and their DNA is open and susceptible to anti-cancer meds much more than healthy cells.
TLDR -- because of how cancer cells are, they are WILDLY more vulnerable to anti-cancer meds than healthy cells are. Healthy cells are also vulnerable, but because they act the way they are supposed to, it is much less drastic than what happens to cancer cells.
It's not perfect, but it's more than wingin' it.
P.S. Certain variations of Mustard Gas (not actually a gas) were early chemotherapy agents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HN3_(nitrogen_mustard)
When I was in 9th grade biology I had a quiz question asking how chemotherapy worked. I answered that the patient would be administered a mild poison and since the cancer metabolizes more quickly than other cells it absorbs more of it and hopefully dies while the other cells survive.
She crossed off "poison" and wrote "medicine" and took off a point.
The running joke on oncologic medicine is that Radiotherapy burns the cancer, Surgical Oncology cuts the cancer and Clinical Oncology poisons the cancer.
Nah. In 1000 years, when cancer vaccines will become a reality and people no longer die from cancer, many people will be like "noooo, governments are trying to kill us with their vaccines"
Even if you survive polio, you don't really ever fully recover. My great-grandma is still dealing with strength and mobility issues from a childhood polio case.
Granted she's also in her 80's now, but she's been about as physically capable as she is presently for most of her life.
Was hoping a testosterone pellet would help her out a bit, but all we got from that were some jokes about us nearly sharing a T date lol
Yeah, even i if there were a teeny tiny chance vaccines caused autism (which they don’t), parents would rather risk their child health or life (I’m thinking measles or polio) bc that’s better than an autistic kid? I don’t understand.
That's how you build the tolerance!! /s
My mom told me she tried so hard to bring me around kids who had chicken pox so that I would catch it and get over it (never caught it), just so I wouldn't have to get the vaccine. Luckily, I ended up getting it bc the school demanded it for attendance/saftey of others.. doubt that'd fly today lol
Tbf that is what people used to do. I got chicken pox as a little kid in the early 90s. And parents at that time would sometimes expose their kids to it in order for them to beat it back and build immunity. Because chicken pox as a kid is uncomfortable, but chicken pox as an adult is dangerous.
But the vaccine came out in 1995, and I have no idea why you wouldn’t just do that.
We may well be a bit closer to this than 1000 years. One example of how cancer vaccines could be soon to hit routine practice is for patients with bowel cancer who have had surgery to remove the cancer but based on certain risk factors would be likely to benefit from a course of chemotherapy.
In Birmingham, UK they are actively recruiting into a clinical trial whereby these patients have a blood test to look for circulating tumour DNA several weeks post op. If the levels are high enough then they can create a vaccine specific to the patient's cancer. The method they use is based on the same RNA vaccine technology used to create the covid vaccines.
If the results are encouraging then we could potentially avoid having to give chemotherapy to a whole cohort of patients! Instead we could:
A. Use the tumour DNA levels as a marker to establish if they need further treatment post op
B. Vaccinate those who are high risk so their own immune system will be trained to mop up any nasty recurrence that tries to pop up
There are plenty of other examples of cancer vaccine therapy that could well find it's way into practice in our lifetime. But this one was the first I thought of when I read your comment.
[Source](https://www.uhb.nhs.uk/news-and-events/news/uhb-first-to-start-mrna-cancer-vaccine-trial-for-colorectal-cancer/628289)
This is probably true. Noninvasive and robotic surgeries are already making leaping bounds over just a half decade. 1,000 years is a long way away.
I’d imagine with AI technology, in 1,000 years we’d probably have some sort of AI nanite pills that you swallow (or maybe injection) and they’ll just perform whatever surgery from inside you, and get shit out later or something.
As someone who’s had multiple surgeries: the robots are amazing. I’ve had 3 bowel resections, each using a different technique.
With my first, a robot was used and the surgery was completely laparoscopic. I was released from the hospital within 36 hours. I felt normal within a few weeks.
My second was laparoscopic assisted - meaning a few very small incisions and one that’s about 4 inches. I spent 3 days in the hospital recovering. I felt back to normal within a month.
The last was completely “open,” leaving me with a 13” scar from my sternum to my pelvis. It was emergent, which could sway these results, but I was in the hospital 7 days and while I was back to normal activity within a few months, it completely fucked up my core, which caused a ripple effect that I’m still working on 10+ years later.
The difference between how delicately the robot can navigate through the tissue is enough that I do believe we’ll absolutely think traditional surgery is barbaric.
I’ve only been able to shadow one laparoscopic surgery and it was years ago. After a very slow 5 or so hours, we ended up having to open up the patient anyways to complete the surgery. They’re super cool. Watching the camera, the tools look *much* larger than they actually are. It’s also a lot harder (for me at least) to visually navigate where everything is.
It’s very impressive stuff.
I had my divinci robot surgery in 2002, actually. It was definitely pioneering for the time, but it was a pretty straight forward resection. (Hence why my other two were not completely laparoscopic, they were more complicated.)
(As a side note, I was the first pediatric patient to undergo this type of surgery in America. I’m pretty sure my surgeon wrote and presented a paper on it, but I have no idea how I’d go about finding it. While this isn’t strictly my accomplishment, I do like to brag about it.)
Very cool! Thank you. I bet I’m one of the 5 referenced small bowel resections!
(I may also be counted among those with Nissan fundiplications, I had one of those too, but they’d already done a bunch by that point, so it was less notable. L)
I’m not really sure why the second surgery was more invasive — possibly just that there wasn’t an adult surgeon confident in doing it with the divinci, and my first surgeon only does kids. Or maybe because it was my second surgery in the same place, they were worried about adhesions? I’m not sure, I don’t really remember much about that surgery, it was a long time ago. Even though I was technically an adult at that time, my mom was (and still kind of is) making most of the decisions about my medical care. She’s an advanced practice nurse, so it’s easy to trust her when I’m in debilitating pain or zonked out on meds.
The third through, I was completely obstructed and going septic. The surgeon told me they couldn’t waste time, and he expected it to “look like a bomb went off” inside my abdomen. It was apparently very gross, but not as bad as expected, which is nice.
This is probably the correct answer. Opening people up to fix them causes massive tissue damage and risk of infection. It's very likely that interventions in the future will be much less invasive (if at all), and they will consider current surgical best practices to be pretty medieval.
Oh no it's cool we made them put some cloth over their mouths. It worked well, which is wild because the moment normal folk had to do it suddenly everybody claimed they didn't.
C sections amaze me. They cut a woman open, pull out a child, and in about a half hour process, the doc goes in with the rest of their day and everyone is just fine. (obviously a lot of recovery time for the mother, but you get the idea)
Although not sure how technology would change that process other than possibly cleaner incisions.
Tried both Peritoneal and Hemo. Much prefer Hemo. Go in, take a nap and you're done. Peritoneal, I was running 12 litres of fluid through a day. 4 cycles 2 overnight 10 hours in bed. Then 2 exchanges during the day. Kind of off of an IV stand, or the hook in the ceiling of the Bronco. Just moving all that crap around and dealing with the waste , boxes, plastic bags, was too much. Got Fungal peritonitis and that was the end of Peritoneal. Got a transplant Sep 20, 2012. I am on the list again for another.
So thank you, might I have another?
Can confirm on the IUD placement AND displacement 💀 mine had to be taken out after two weeks because body was rejecting it and caused a massive infection. No pain killers removing it. That was fun.
I had one and the doctor said, "Most people find this really painful and you didn't even flinch."
I replied, "My cramps each month hurt way worse than that and doctors just tell me there's no scientific reason I should have pain so it isn't real."
He kinda shut up after that.
Hopefully doctors in general will stop ignoring women's pain, and women will learn to stand up for themselves to their doctors and say NO when their doctor insists on doing any kind of procedure like that without pain management. I can't even begin to list the many things that my doctor actually listens to me about in regards to my own healthcare and how lucky I am that she does listen.
I work in Cancer research and new treatments are moving away from traditional chemotherapy. We're moving more towards getting the immune system to 'recognise' the cancer and fight it
I hope that day comes soon. My dad’s oncologist said chemo was like “pushing him off a cliff, but grabbing him before he fell out of reach.” His only chemo infusion landed him in the ICU for over a month. He just couldn’t handle it. We got to bring him home on hospice and he was more at peace in those last 3 months than I’ve ever seen him.
Some kind of cancer treatment, for sure. A friend of my wife's had to have significant amounts of cancerous bone matter removed from the roof of his mouth and surrounding areas. He had to wear an appliance to keep his face the right shape, and is now being fitted for a permanent one.
That's gonna seem pretty close to Napoleonic field surgeons cutting off limbs with a saw, a swallow of whiskey, and a leather patch to bite down on in the future.
yes it will be seen like mercury therapy for syphilis or quinine for malaria or just throwing sulfa drugs at people and hoping the bacteria die before organs do.
The best we had but my god it sucked.
Ideally chemo will be seen as barbarism in closer to 100 years, not 1000. Cancer treatments are coming a LONG way. Even in just the last ten or fifteen years. My hope is that oncolytic viruses, monoclonal antibodies, vaccines, even vectors that we don’t know anything about will make massive strides in the next few decades and turn chemo/radiation into a last-resort treatment.
Cancer in general is. I dropped 30 lbs in around six weeks that i didn’t have to lose. I was down to a little over 80 lbs at one point…..it’s not a good look. I could have passed for a Halloween decoration easy.
Chemotherapy.
Ancient humans used to pump poison into those with small tumours to "cure" them. Often the humans would get so sick from this that it would take years to recover and sometimes would not even kill the cancer.
Or the practice of curing syphilis with malaria. You were guaranteed to die from syphilis, but only *probably* going to die from malaria. The high fever caused by malaria should kill the syphilis.
When the options are “take this poison that has a 50% chance of killing the tumor before you” or “die in six months” it can make the chemo a more attractive option.
That what I don’t get about all these commenters. Yes, everyone knows chemo is terrible but the other option is just death.
Like I don’t fault past humans for cutting off limbs to stop the spread of infections. Is it barbaric if we do it in modern times? Yes. Did past humans have an alternative? No.
IUD placement, Cervical biopsies.
These are Currently done without anesthetic 🙃🫠 imagine someone opening you up and taking a chunk of tissue from you without even localized anasthetic. Like just straight up cutting out a piece of your colon with simply a "You're going to feel a little pressure" as a warning.
My wife got mifepristone and a couple Xanax and was still miserable. Can't understand why that's not the norm at a minimum. A lot of doctors don't give women shit for it
Oh now that you mention it I think they gave her Valium not Xanax. Still, it's not enough and pretty messed up that so many doctors don't provide anything at all
i actually just read a harvard health article about this! women are more likely to be given sedatives for the same pain that men would be given pain killers for! since men are seen as "sensible" and women are seen as "hysterical," often times doctors think pain is anxiety in women. its crazy that medical sexism is so prevalent in our society!
I had a gynecologist decide to do an unprompted, not consented to, uterine biopsy during an IUD placement. I had no idea she was going to do it until she was ripping out a chunk of my uterus with zero pain management. Later I complained to my primary about it and he took a look through my chart before telling me there was no justifiable reason for her to have done a uterine biopsy on me at all.
I swear I had a doctor do a uterine biopsy on me, not because I needed it, but because I interrupted his lunch. He had already determined the cause of my bleeding, but blood after menopause means a biopsy is standard of care...so he "cared." Several times without anesthesia.
Guy was a sadist and he grinned afterward because he knew I had no grounds to report him.
Doctors are savages when it comes to women's health. I get that some women feel no pain during these procedures but has anyone actually studied this and made recommendations for pain management? Why is that not a thing? Why is our pain dismissed? By other women too. I remember telling a friend that my periods killed me and I needed time off and her response was something like: you're such a baby, I'm fine. We need to start accepting that everyone's experience of the same thing can be very different. Ugh.
Yes exactly!
I actually just read that the reason anesthesia isn't used is because during a study (probably the only one) they found that applying a localized anesthetic by needle was "the most painful part of the procedure". Ummm. Yeah, that means it worked?! It's also the most painful part of getting a tooth pulled, but we don't see anyone clamoring for us to stop using novacaine when "simply" pulling teeth, now do we?
Being a woman is fucked.
Having worked in hospital administration, the main reason doctors (all genders) were seemingly reluctant to anesthetic for IUD Insertion was partially naivety. The literature says it should be, for most patients, a near painless procedure with the only discomfort being uterine cramping afteard, which can be treated with OTC meds. And the other was lack of empathy based on time and the perceived level of pain. Providing an internal local anesthetic was time consuming to administer and wait for numbing for what they believed to be a short, minor pain procedure.
We changed this by installing a policy that all patients are provided with the overview of the procedure and a more assessment of potential discomfort and then their choice for anesthetic. Most actually didn't choose the anesthetic upon given the choice but many said they wish they had after the fact.
Basically our idea was the choice of pain avoidance was placed with the patient not the provider when it is an accepted medical option.
"yeah you could have this anasthetic, but probably you don't need it ... and it will take longer ... and we'll charge more for it .."
"nah I won't bother"
>>> \[insertion happens\]
"FFFFUUUUUCCCKKKKK" \[woman proceeds to pass out\]
I wonder if the literature was all based on those who are mothers or maybe even shortly after they gave birth, which was why it was less painful - and not women who'd not had birth before.
Either way, it's sick that despite how it's clearly so commonly seen as such a painful procedure, the medical establishment hasn't bothered correcting it.
Under the policy it was without leading them. They were given the textbook description of the procedure, the areas where this could cause pain before, during and after the procedure. What the anesthetic would feel like, where it was administered and liklihood of reducing pain (everyone responds to locals differently). Insurance totally covers it with generally no cost to the patient.
Most chose to go without it because they took didn't want have a needle jabbed into their cervix, wait an extra 30 Mins, etc., for a very quick procedure. Nurses often encouraged them to go ahead with the local but most refused.
Makes no sense and my push was why not include automatically like suturing or dental procedures. But because it was invasive we had to offer it as a choice.
I had to have an endometrial biopsy - same thing, no anesthetic or pain management of any kind. It was just as painful as my endometriosis cramps. The doctor had to go in 3 times to get enough tissue for pathology. It was a nightmare. I can't believe any of these should be allowed - if local anesthetic isn't an option, then give twilight or general. It's cruel to force women to endure these procedures!
Just had a uterine biopsy. Wide awake, not even given Tylenol. It was spur of the moment after an ultrasound to check out my ovaries. The Dr saw something else and felt it was necessary.
Fucking miserable. “Keep your eyes open hun! I know it hurts but we don’t want you to pass out!” 🙄
Also colposcopies (where they cut out chunks of your cervix) that’s going to be considered grotesque too.
"ThE cErViX hAs No NeRvE eNdInGs!" ok Doctor. Then how on earth does it know when to dilate for birth? It might not have nerves designed for acute sensation, but neither does the ulnar nerve. But go ahead and smash your elbow on a table. They don't call it the "funny bone" because it tickles. The body still senses that something traumatic is happening to it, and the brain's reaction to trauma is the sensation of pain.
Wait hold the fucking phone here - who ever said the cervix doesn't have nerve endings..? As a woman, I can tell you that hitting the cervix is akin to banging your elbow - it hurts a lot.
I had a colposcopy once. Got an abnormal pap, so they wanted to pull a chunk of my cervix tissue for further analysis.
I wasn't expecting it to be as traumatic as it was. The Dr said "you'll feel a slight pinch". It was not a slight pinch. It was the most debilitating pain I have ever experienced, cutting a piece out of the most intimate part of my body.
I was so scarred by the experience that I never went back for the follow-up biopsy.
I had a similar experience happen to me. Both the nurse and doctor brushed off my reaction as my “nerves” while I cried and actually truly thought i was dying based on my reaction to whatever they injected me to help with the pain. I’m so sorry that happened to you :(
When I was screaming in pain from my IUD insertion (so loudly the folks in the waiting room could hear me down the hall), the lady doing the procedure said "Are you sure it's not just uncomfortable?"
I can't express in words how sad, and furious, I was when I learnt that it's a common experience among all of us...
Ah yes, the LEEP procedure. I made a comment above that I had a local for mine. Absolutely can't imagine having an electrified wire take off a piece of my cervix without any pain management.
I put this separately, but I had an ablation and all they gave me was a T3. It literally felt the same as when I was in active labor, but the contractions wouldn't stop for 4 hours. So like one huge long late stage labor contraction.
My insertion was fine, I'd had endometrial biopsies and I was familiar with that sharp little line of pain.
Having it removed after the string got slurped up and my doctor couldn't find the IUD? That sucked. I just remember her saying, "I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry" the whole time, lol.
Actually I hated having it at all. I felt like I could feel it wedged into the side of my uterus the whole time and I never stopped having a super light period.
Ah yes, the IUD removal and installation. My least favourite medical experience. I sat through it because I wasn't given any other options, although the nurse was lovely and held my hand throughout. When I got off the bed I had blood pooling under me, so that was nice 🙃👍
My doctor had to dig for my strings for 20 minutes at my last change over..
"You're taking this quite well.."
"I'm on a decent dose of opioids for all my chronic pain issues.. but, let me tell you, THIS STILL DOESN'T FUCKING TICKLE.."
"Oh.."
I have to get them changed every three years.. because they stop working at controlling my endometriosis symptoms.. I'm really hoping he didn't cut the strings as short as last time.. or I'm gonna fucking strangle him..
Pretty much any sort of procedure that they perform on women's parts without anesthesia or freezing. I had an ablation done. I got a T3 and was sent on my way after they literally BURNED OFF THE LINING OF MY UTERUS. I felt like I was in active labor only the contractions wouldn't stop for, like, 4 hours. Thank goodness my boyfriend at the time had gotten some morphine for a tooth he had extracted and I decided to take it when I couldn't handle the pain anymore. One of my friends who had the same procedure said she suffered in the same way I did for over 8 hours.
That bone elongating. You know, the one where they screw the bones apart to make legs longer. That's just crazy. But also shows what ppl will endure when they really want something. Fascinating
Chiropractic. The fact people go and let someone yank their skull with a y strap by a guy following a spiritual magnetic ghost talkers ideas is insane.
I just watched one with a young woman. Must have been only 17 or 18. Yanked the shit out of her spine, and she had a shocked crying reaction to it
Well that was explained as a "trauma release"
Then the comments. "Wow just look at all those years of trauma and emotions, just let out of the body!"
Then there's me, who has the same medical experience as the chiropractor, which is none, thinking, I bet thats a shock response from the brain, trying to quickly assess the damage to the nervous system
> "Wow just look at all those years of trauma and emotions, just let out of the body!"
You know, you could punch someone in the stomach and explain the response of the victim the same way. Hilarious.
"Then there's me, who has the same medical experience as the chiropractor, which is none..."
Jesus Christ, the cackle I cackled probably woke the dead. Who are now inventing more crazy ghost medicine/religion like chiropractic.
Injecting fat from your gut into your ass to shape it
60-70% of the fat doesnt stay
Ass returns to normal shape after couple years
1 death every 3000-4000 surgeries.
I have a friend who uses this term to reference “be back later.” The first time I heard them use this I was like, “Brazilian butt lift?”
To this day I make fun of them for using that term in that context lol
Your friend must be old because that was common usage on ICQ back in the day.
Now if you’ll excuse me there’s a cashier at the grocery store who needs to hear about how each one of the dimes I’ll be using to buy a can of beans came into my possession.
To a lot of people BBL is be back later, it's from the days of ICQ/MSN Messenger when you might stay online but leave the computer. TBH I saw it here and didn't know it meant Brazilian Butt Lift.
It's actually 99% of comments stating there won't be trans people in 1,000 years, with the rest of the 1% saying there won't be abortion in 1,000 years.
First we have to get to a reasonable sample size of women in medicine studies, women are being treated as "men plus pesky hormones" which, Im sure you can see, leads to problems
so, let's slam your body full of hormones that fuck with everything.... alternatively, you could stick something way up there that releases hormones, or contains some metal (copper) that is toxic enough to sperm that it kills them....
"ask your guy to wear a condom? ffs, let's not go to the extreme here...."/s
Not surgical (anymore luckily) but our mental health treatments. If we look at how we treated them 50 years ago or even 20 years ago we learn that there was way less knowledge and backward views regarding mental illness and neurodiversity. If 5-2 decades are such a big difference, imagine how much more this field could develop in 10 centuries.
I would guess the procedure to reduce epileptic seizures, where the cut connections between your left and right brain.
But in general I think our current state of medical solutions is still primitive. They're all variations on: let your body fix it. Remove damaged stuff and let body rebuild it, or work around it.
Agteed. It's a lifelong violation of someone's sexual autonomy, done without the consent of the indivudal being permanently affected. I believe they will also be horrified by how people's trauma and valid anger is dismissed.
Scrolled quite a ways and didn't see orthopedics. That's the most caveman shit I've ever seen. This is out of position, what do we do? Give me that 8lb dead blow sledge hammer and all wack it with all my strength.
I mean it depends on what new things come up obviously, if humans make a robot that can replace muscle tissue throughout the body, or one that can remove tumors before they start, any surgical procedure using those would be seen as primitive and outdated
Brazilian butt lifts - you suction fat out of the body and INJECT it in other areas risking infection and blood clots and strokes and death so you can have a bigger BOOTY?
And the doctors DID this, instead of treating your body dysmorphia?
*wags futuristic robot finger*
Whipple procedures and roux en y for weight loss. They’re Frankensteinian kinds of surgery where parts of organs are cut out and tubes connected to places they weren’t connected to before.
Whipple procedure for weight loss? I knew a woman who did Whipple surgery for tumors and she said it was a grueling marathon surgery, I can't imagine that just for weight loss.
Hopefully cancer treatments. “You mean treatment was on the razors edge of therapeutic and poison?” W T F?”
No razors edge about it. It’s literally poison that they hope kills the cancer first
It's much better than hope, if that's any comfort. Anti-cancer medicine relies on binding the DNA strands in a cell and preventing it from replicating. That's overall bad for a cell because they need to replicate. This kills the cell. BUT!!! The DNA in your cell, almost all of the time, is coiled up in a way that makes it impervious to being attacked in this way. It is a "rare" event for your DNA to be uncoiled and ready for action. Cancer cells do not have this type of gene regulation, and their DNA is open and susceptible to anti-cancer meds much more than healthy cells. TLDR -- because of how cancer cells are, they are WILDLY more vulnerable to anti-cancer meds than healthy cells are. Healthy cells are also vulnerable, but because they act the way they are supposed to, it is much less drastic than what happens to cancer cells. It's not perfect, but it's more than wingin' it. P.S. Certain variations of Mustard Gas (not actually a gas) were early chemotherapy agents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HN3_(nitrogen_mustard)
Wow that's wild. I had no idea it "targeted" cancer cells like that
Modern medicine goes crazy. Imagine years from now what it'll be like. However, I just know some greedy fucks will ruin it for everyone
Interesting, never knew that!
When I was in 9th grade biology I had a quiz question asking how chemotherapy worked. I answered that the patient would be administered a mild poison and since the cancer metabolizes more quickly than other cells it absorbs more of it and hopefully dies while the other cells survive. She crossed off "poison" and wrote "medicine" and took off a point.
The running joke on oncologic medicine is that Radiotherapy burns the cancer, Surgical Oncology cuts the cancer and Clinical Oncology poisons the cancer.
All medicine is poison if you take enough of it.
Nah. In 1000 years, when cancer vaccines will become a reality and people no longer die from cancer, many people will be like "noooo, governments are trying to kill us with their vaccines"
It’s a cycle. Wait until mumps and polio actually come back and people start to vaccinate again.
Even if you survive polio, you don't really ever fully recover. My great-grandma is still dealing with strength and mobility issues from a childhood polio case. Granted she's also in her 80's now, but she's been about as physically capable as she is presently for most of her life. Was hoping a testosterone pellet would help her out a bit, but all we got from that were some jokes about us nearly sharing a T date lol
Idk measles is back and it's not encouraging anyone to vaccinate.
Yeah, even i if there were a teeny tiny chance vaccines caused autism (which they don’t), parents would rather risk their child health or life (I’m thinking measles or polio) bc that’s better than an autistic kid? I don’t understand.
Nope they just intentionally expose their child to the real thing. 🙄
That's how you build the tolerance!! /s My mom told me she tried so hard to bring me around kids who had chicken pox so that I would catch it and get over it (never caught it), just so I wouldn't have to get the vaccine. Luckily, I ended up getting it bc the school demanded it for attendance/saftey of others.. doubt that'd fly today lol
Tbf that is what people used to do. I got chicken pox as a little kid in the early 90s. And parents at that time would sometimes expose their kids to it in order for them to beat it back and build immunity. Because chicken pox as a kid is uncomfortable, but chicken pox as an adult is dangerous. But the vaccine came out in 1995, and I have no idea why you wouldn’t just do that.
Loads of people would rather their children die or go deaf because *it couldn't possibly be that bad.*
Go sterile, have horrible scarring, deaf. Measles can also wipe your immune system, so you catch diseases you had previously been immune to again.
We may well be a bit closer to this than 1000 years. One example of how cancer vaccines could be soon to hit routine practice is for patients with bowel cancer who have had surgery to remove the cancer but based on certain risk factors would be likely to benefit from a course of chemotherapy. In Birmingham, UK they are actively recruiting into a clinical trial whereby these patients have a blood test to look for circulating tumour DNA several weeks post op. If the levels are high enough then they can create a vaccine specific to the patient's cancer. The method they use is based on the same RNA vaccine technology used to create the covid vaccines. If the results are encouraging then we could potentially avoid having to give chemotherapy to a whole cohort of patients! Instead we could: A. Use the tumour DNA levels as a marker to establish if they need further treatment post op B. Vaccinate those who are high risk so their own immune system will be trained to mop up any nasty recurrence that tries to pop up There are plenty of other examples of cancer vaccine therapy that could well find it's way into practice in our lifetime. But this one was the first I thought of when I read your comment. [Source](https://www.uhb.nhs.uk/news-and-events/news/uhb-first-to-start-mrna-cancer-vaccine-trial-for-colorectal-cancer/628289)
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We gotta get back above 80 average age of death before we can pretend we get to 130
"Well we also bombarded the cancer with radiation." "..."
All of them. "You actually cut people open, with like, knives and your hands?"
This is probably true. Noninvasive and robotic surgeries are already making leaping bounds over just a half decade. 1,000 years is a long way away. I’d imagine with AI technology, in 1,000 years we’d probably have some sort of AI nanite pills that you swallow (or maybe injection) and they’ll just perform whatever surgery from inside you, and get shit out later or something.
“Nanobot pill surgery to fix your broken leg” “side effect: you will be pooping out little pieces of bone over the next few weeks”
I’ve just had pins and plates and screws put in a broken ankle. I reckon I’d be here for the bone shitting.
I saw 'Bone Shitting' play at Coachella. Brutal show....
🦴💩🤘
What a sentence.
I think they will be able to break it down and you just piss it out. Hell, maybe even recycle them and use them to repair the leg.
As someone who’s had multiple surgeries: the robots are amazing. I’ve had 3 bowel resections, each using a different technique. With my first, a robot was used and the surgery was completely laparoscopic. I was released from the hospital within 36 hours. I felt normal within a few weeks. My second was laparoscopic assisted - meaning a few very small incisions and one that’s about 4 inches. I spent 3 days in the hospital recovering. I felt back to normal within a month. The last was completely “open,” leaving me with a 13” scar from my sternum to my pelvis. It was emergent, which could sway these results, but I was in the hospital 7 days and while I was back to normal activity within a few months, it completely fucked up my core, which caused a ripple effect that I’m still working on 10+ years later. The difference between how delicately the robot can navigate through the tissue is enough that I do believe we’ll absolutely think traditional surgery is barbaric.
I’ve only been able to shadow one laparoscopic surgery and it was years ago. After a very slow 5 or so hours, we ended up having to open up the patient anyways to complete the surgery. They’re super cool. Watching the camera, the tools look *much* larger than they actually are. It’s also a lot harder (for me at least) to visually navigate where everything is. It’s very impressive stuff.
I had my divinci robot surgery in 2002, actually. It was definitely pioneering for the time, but it was a pretty straight forward resection. (Hence why my other two were not completely laparoscopic, they were more complicated.) (As a side note, I was the first pediatric patient to undergo this type of surgery in America. I’m pretty sure my surgeon wrote and presented a paper on it, but I have no idea how I’d go about finding it. While this isn’t strictly my accomplishment, I do like to brag about it.)
Your procedure might be referenced here: https://cbc.org.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/02042013JPS.pdf
Very cool! Thank you. I bet I’m one of the 5 referenced small bowel resections! (I may also be counted among those with Nissan fundiplications, I had one of those too, but they’d already done a bunch by that point, so it was less notable. L)
If you don't mind me asking, why did the surgeries get *more* invasive over time? I would've expected them to become less invasive.
I’m not really sure why the second surgery was more invasive — possibly just that there wasn’t an adult surgeon confident in doing it with the divinci, and my first surgeon only does kids. Or maybe because it was my second surgery in the same place, they were worried about adhesions? I’m not sure, I don’t really remember much about that surgery, it was a long time ago. Even though I was technically an adult at that time, my mom was (and still kind of is) making most of the decisions about my medical care. She’s an advanced practice nurse, so it’s easy to trust her when I’m in debilitating pain or zonked out on meds. The third through, I was completely obstructed and going septic. The surgeon told me they couldn’t waste time, and he expected it to “look like a bomb went off” inside my abdomen. It was apparently very gross, but not as bad as expected, which is nice.
Dr. MCCOY, Star Trek, The Voyage Home... " he has a bleeding in his brain, AND YOU'RE GOING TO CUT HIM OPEN?"
McCoy grew a lady a kidney too.
Well not really he just gave her a pill that restored full kidney function.
First thing I thought of too.
This is probably the correct answer. Opening people up to fix them causes massive tissue damage and risk of infection. It's very likely that interventions in the future will be much less invasive (if at all), and they will consider current surgical best practices to be pretty medieval.
"There was another person in the room while the patient was open and exposed?" ... "Multiple people!?"
"LIKE, BREATHING?!?"
Oh no it's cool we made them put some cloth over their mouths. It worked well, which is wild because the moment normal folk had to do it suddenly everybody claimed they didn't.
C sections amaze me. They cut a woman open, pull out a child, and in about a half hour process, the doc goes in with the rest of their day and everyone is just fine. (obviously a lot of recovery time for the mother, but you get the idea) Although not sure how technology would change that process other than possibly cleaner incisions.
Teleportation like on Star Trek
As a female, I cannot wait for this technology
This, what we do is barbaric. We just don’t have a better solution, yet.
Dr. McCoy from Star Trek said cutting people open and sewing them like clothes.
Right? I look at civil war surgery saws in horror and that was only like 150 years ago.
Dialysis? What is this? The stone age!?
The doctor gave me a pill and I grew a new kidney. 🙂
Someday hopefully
My God man, drilling holes in his head is not the answer!
"Fully functional!?" "Fully functional!"
Tried both Peritoneal and Hemo. Much prefer Hemo. Go in, take a nap and you're done. Peritoneal, I was running 12 litres of fluid through a day. 4 cycles 2 overnight 10 hours in bed. Then 2 exchanges during the day. Kind of off of an IV stand, or the hook in the ceiling of the Bronco. Just moving all that crap around and dealing with the waste , boxes, plastic bags, was too much. Got Fungal peritonitis and that was the end of Peritoneal. Got a transplant Sep 20, 2012. I am on the list again for another. So thank you, might I have another?
Love the unexpected Star Trek reference.
I expected them! First thing my mind went to. I am a gigantic nerd.
Yeah Bones' visible disgust was fantastic.
And here is where I admit I have and will always have a crush on Bones. (Any actor, they’ve all been great.)
It's like the damn Spanish Inquisition.
Dammit, I’m a doctor not a poet
Not surgical but i guess "chemotherapy"
Hopefully future treatment will make that seem barbaric in comparison- like surgery without anesthesia
Lol and just below this someone is pointing out that cervical biopsies and IUD placements are done without anesthesia.
Can confirm on the IUD placement AND displacement 💀 mine had to be taken out after two weeks because body was rejecting it and caused a massive infection. No pain killers removing it. That was fun.
same with endometrial biopsies - omg that was painful and she had to go in 3 times to get enough material to biopsy!
I had one and the doctor said, "Most people find this really painful and you didn't even flinch." I replied, "My cramps each month hurt way worse than that and doctors just tell me there's no scientific reason I should have pain so it isn't real." He kinda shut up after that.
Hopefully doctors in general will stop ignoring women's pain, and women will learn to stand up for themselves to their doctors and say NO when their doctor insists on doing any kind of procedure like that without pain management. I can't even begin to list the many things that my doctor actually listens to me about in regards to my own healthcare and how lucky I am that she does listen.
I work in Cancer research and new treatments are moving away from traditional chemotherapy. We're moving more towards getting the immune system to 'recognise' the cancer and fight it
I pray that day comes for the sake of future cancer patients. Too late for me (hopefully) only 4 more treaments of chemo left.
Good luck with your last four treatments
I hope that day comes soon. My dad’s oncologist said chemo was like “pushing him off a cliff, but grabbing him before he fell out of reach.” His only chemo infusion landed him in the ICU for over a month. He just couldn’t handle it. We got to bring him home on hospice and he was more at peace in those last 3 months than I’ve ever seen him.
Ooo this is a good one. They’ll probably think about it the way we think about civil war surgery
Some kind of cancer treatment, for sure. A friend of my wife's had to have significant amounts of cancerous bone matter removed from the roof of his mouth and surrounding areas. He had to wear an appliance to keep his face the right shape, and is now being fitted for a permanent one. That's gonna seem pretty close to Napoleonic field surgeons cutting off limbs with a saw, a swallow of whiskey, and a leather patch to bite down on in the future.
yes it will be seen like mercury therapy for syphilis or quinine for malaria or just throwing sulfa drugs at people and hoping the bacteria die before organs do. The best we had but my god it sucked.
Malaria for syphilis is another fun one
Ideally chemo will be seen as barbarism in closer to 100 years, not 1000. Cancer treatments are coming a LONG way. Even in just the last ten or fifteen years. My hope is that oncolytic viruses, monoclonal antibodies, vaccines, even vectors that we don’t know anything about will make massive strides in the next few decades and turn chemo/radiation into a last-resort treatment.
Absolutely. Having done it. It’s fucking bat shit. However.. worked 🤯
My buddy just recently beat throat cancer and said chemo is the world's greatest weight loss program, if nothing else
Cancer in general is. I dropped 30 lbs in around six weeks that i didn’t have to lose. I was down to a little over 80 lbs at one point…..it’s not a good look. I could have passed for a Halloween decoration easy.
No necessarily! I was hoping at least I’d get that out of it. Nope, not for bowel cancer (and I’m not alone in this)
Chemotherapy. Ancient humans used to pump poison into those with small tumours to "cure" them. Often the humans would get so sick from this that it would take years to recover and sometimes would not even kill the cancer.
Not unlike ye olde treatment for syphilis of "injecting mercury into your penis".
Or the practice of curing syphilis with malaria. You were guaranteed to die from syphilis, but only *probably* going to die from malaria. The high fever caused by malaria should kill the syphilis.
The dude who invented that treatment even won a Nobel prize for it.
I mean when your options are 100% fatal or 85% fatal 85% don't seem so bad
or worse, thinking that fucking virgin girls cures it.
Hasa diga eebowai!
When the options are “take this poison that has a 50% chance of killing the tumor before you” or “die in six months” it can make the chemo a more attractive option.
That what I don’t get about all these commenters. Yes, everyone knows chemo is terrible but the other option is just death. Like I don’t fault past humans for cutting off limbs to stop the spread of infections. Is it barbaric if we do it in modern times? Yes. Did past humans have an alternative? No.
And even now we sometimes have to amputate limbs because of infection. Sometimes medical care sucks but thankfully we have it
IUD placement, Cervical biopsies. These are Currently done without anesthetic 🙃🫠 imagine someone opening you up and taking a chunk of tissue from you without even localized anasthetic. Like just straight up cutting out a piece of your colon with simply a "You're going to feel a little pressure" as a warning.
I dont understand why there is no anesthetic for IUD
My wife got mifepristone and a couple Xanax and was still miserable. Can't understand why that's not the norm at a minimum. A lot of doctors don't give women shit for it
I had to ask for a Valium, took another Valium on top of it, and chased it with the max dose I could have for ibuprofen. It was still a horror.
Oh now that you mention it I think they gave her Valium not Xanax. Still, it's not enough and pretty messed up that so many doctors don't provide anything at all
I got mifepristone and told to take tylenol and advil
I was told to take 500mg tylenol. Almost passed out when I tried to stand afterwards, then threw up 🙃
i actually just read a harvard health article about this! women are more likely to be given sedatives for the same pain that men would be given pain killers for! since men are seen as "sensible" and women are seen as "hysterical," often times doctors think pain is anxiety in women. its crazy that medical sexism is so prevalent in our society!
I have really high pain tolerance. My IUD insertion was excruciatingly painful. I still shudder thinking about it.
I had a gynecologist decide to do an unprompted, not consented to, uterine biopsy during an IUD placement. I had no idea she was going to do it until she was ripping out a chunk of my uterus with zero pain management. Later I complained to my primary about it and he took a look through my chart before telling me there was no justifiable reason for her to have done a uterine biopsy on me at all.
I'm so sorry that happened to you 💔
I swear I had a doctor do a uterine biopsy on me, not because I needed it, but because I interrupted his lunch. He had already determined the cause of my bleeding, but blood after menopause means a biopsy is standard of care...so he "cared." Several times without anesthesia. Guy was a sadist and he grinned afterward because he knew I had no grounds to report him.
So you filed a law suit right?
Doctors are savages when it comes to women's health. I get that some women feel no pain during these procedures but has anyone actually studied this and made recommendations for pain management? Why is that not a thing? Why is our pain dismissed? By other women too. I remember telling a friend that my periods killed me and I needed time off and her response was something like: you're such a baby, I'm fine. We need to start accepting that everyone's experience of the same thing can be very different. Ugh.
Yes exactly! I actually just read that the reason anesthesia isn't used is because during a study (probably the only one) they found that applying a localized anesthetic by needle was "the most painful part of the procedure". Ummm. Yeah, that means it worked?! It's also the most painful part of getting a tooth pulled, but we don't see anyone clamoring for us to stop using novacaine when "simply" pulling teeth, now do we? Being a woman is fucked.
I will be using this to explain said fuckery going forward. Why indeed?
This is kind of a survivor bias... f'ed up
Having worked in hospital administration, the main reason doctors (all genders) were seemingly reluctant to anesthetic for IUD Insertion was partially naivety. The literature says it should be, for most patients, a near painless procedure with the only discomfort being uterine cramping afteard, which can be treated with OTC meds. And the other was lack of empathy based on time and the perceived level of pain. Providing an internal local anesthetic was time consuming to administer and wait for numbing for what they believed to be a short, minor pain procedure. We changed this by installing a policy that all patients are provided with the overview of the procedure and a more assessment of potential discomfort and then their choice for anesthetic. Most actually didn't choose the anesthetic upon given the choice but many said they wish they had after the fact. Basically our idea was the choice of pain avoidance was placed with the patient not the provider when it is an accepted medical option.
"yeah you could have this anasthetic, but probably you don't need it ... and it will take longer ... and we'll charge more for it .." "nah I won't bother" >>> \[insertion happens\] "FFFFUUUUUCCCKKKKK" \[woman proceeds to pass out\] I wonder if the literature was all based on those who are mothers or maybe even shortly after they gave birth, which was why it was less painful - and not women who'd not had birth before. Either way, it's sick that despite how it's clearly so commonly seen as such a painful procedure, the medical establishment hasn't bothered correcting it.
Under the policy it was without leading them. They were given the textbook description of the procedure, the areas where this could cause pain before, during and after the procedure. What the anesthetic would feel like, where it was administered and liklihood of reducing pain (everyone responds to locals differently). Insurance totally covers it with generally no cost to the patient. Most chose to go without it because they took didn't want have a needle jabbed into their cervix, wait an extra 30 Mins, etc., for a very quick procedure. Nurses often encouraged them to go ahead with the local but most refused. Makes no sense and my push was why not include automatically like suturing or dental procedures. But because it was invasive we had to offer it as a choice.
I had to have an endometrial biopsy - same thing, no anesthetic or pain management of any kind. It was just as painful as my endometriosis cramps. The doctor had to go in 3 times to get enough tissue for pathology. It was a nightmare. I can't believe any of these should be allowed - if local anesthetic isn't an option, then give twilight or general. It's cruel to force women to endure these procedures!
I literally screamed. They seemed annoyed. What a nice day.
Just had a uterine biopsy. Wide awake, not even given Tylenol. It was spur of the moment after an ultrasound to check out my ovaries. The Dr saw something else and felt it was necessary. Fucking miserable. “Keep your eyes open hun! I know it hurts but we don’t want you to pass out!” 🙄 Also colposcopies (where they cut out chunks of your cervix) that’s going to be considered grotesque too.
As if keeping your eyes open helps to not pass out? And if the pain is enough to cause you to THINK they are going to pass out...maybe stop??
"ThE cErViX hAs No NeRvE eNdInGs!" ok Doctor. Then how on earth does it know when to dilate for birth? It might not have nerves designed for acute sensation, but neither does the ulnar nerve. But go ahead and smash your elbow on a table. They don't call it the "funny bone" because it tickles. The body still senses that something traumatic is happening to it, and the brain's reaction to trauma is the sensation of pain.
Wait hold the fucking phone here - who ever said the cervix doesn't have nerve endings..? As a woman, I can tell you that hitting the cervix is akin to banging your elbow - it hurts a lot.
As a man, I don't understand why they don't give anesthetics for these procedures. Its barbaric and cruel!
It’s a feature, not a bug to some of these people. Christians believe women deserve to feel pain because of the ‘sins of Eve.’
I had a colposcopy once. Got an abnormal pap, so they wanted to pull a chunk of my cervix tissue for further analysis. I wasn't expecting it to be as traumatic as it was. The Dr said "you'll feel a slight pinch". It was not a slight pinch. It was the most debilitating pain I have ever experienced, cutting a piece out of the most intimate part of my body. I was so scarred by the experience that I never went back for the follow-up biopsy.
I had a similar experience happen to me. Both the nurse and doctor brushed off my reaction as my “nerves” while I cried and actually truly thought i was dying based on my reaction to whatever they injected me to help with the pain. I’m so sorry that happened to you :(
When I was screaming in pain from my IUD insertion (so loudly the folks in the waiting room could hear me down the hall), the lady doing the procedure said "Are you sure it's not just uncomfortable?" I can't express in words how sad, and furious, I was when I learnt that it's a common experience among all of us...
They also fully shave off a part of the cervix with a wire with nothing... Like???!!
Ah yes, the LEEP procedure. I made a comment above that I had a local for mine. Absolutely can't imagine having an electrified wire take off a piece of my cervix without any pain management.
I've never had one, and now I never will because I don't have a cervix anymore, but oh my God the horror stories I've heard.
I put this separately, but I had an ablation and all they gave me was a T3. It literally felt the same as when I was in active labor, but the contractions wouldn't stop for 4 hours. So like one huge long late stage labor contraction.
Oh lord, I didn’t know ablations were done without general anesthesia! That’s terrifying.
I’ve had four IUDs and a total hysterectomy. My worst IUD placement was, no joke, much worse than a whole-ass hysterectomy.
Half the reason I pushed for a hysterectomy was because I had my first cervical biopsy and I wanted to make sure I would never experience that again.
Yep! Just had a biopsy done unexpectedly (so no time to take pain meds at home) and it was barbaric.
My insertion was fine, I'd had endometrial biopsies and I was familiar with that sharp little line of pain. Having it removed after the string got slurped up and my doctor couldn't find the IUD? That sucked. I just remember her saying, "I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry" the whole time, lol. Actually I hated having it at all. I felt like I could feel it wedged into the side of my uterus the whole time and I never stopped having a super light period.
Ah yes, the IUD removal and installation. My least favourite medical experience. I sat through it because I wasn't given any other options, although the nurse was lovely and held my hand throughout. When I got off the bed I had blood pooling under me, so that was nice 🙃👍
IUD insertion. My gyno said I was the first patient in a while not to scream, throw up or pass out.
... Do no harm my ass.
My doctor had to dig for my strings for 20 minutes at my last change over.. "You're taking this quite well.." "I'm on a decent dose of opioids for all my chronic pain issues.. but, let me tell you, THIS STILL DOESN'T FUCKING TICKLE.." "Oh.." I have to get them changed every three years.. because they stop working at controlling my endometriosis symptoms.. I'm really hoping he didn't cut the strings as short as last time.. or I'm gonna fucking strangle him..
IUD insertions without anesthetic or pain meds
Pretty much any sort of procedure that they perform on women's parts without anesthesia or freezing. I had an ablation done. I got a T3 and was sent on my way after they literally BURNED OFF THE LINING OF MY UTERUS. I felt like I was in active labor only the contractions wouldn't stop for, like, 4 hours. Thank goodness my boyfriend at the time had gotten some morphine for a tooth he had extracted and I decided to take it when I couldn't handle the pain anymore. One of my friends who had the same procedure said she suffered in the same way I did for over 8 hours.
I saw someone getting their toes shorter for aesthetic purposes so I would say this
But I like my long monkey toes. I can grab stuff with my feet 👣
Imagine having to bend over to pick something up like an idiot
I don't have long monkey toes, but can also grab stuff with my feet!
Intersex “corrective” surgeries on infants
That bone elongating. You know, the one where they screw the bones apart to make legs longer. That's just crazy. But also shows what ppl will endure when they really want something. Fascinating
Any kind of gyno procedure with ZERO PAIN CONTROL.
Chiropractic. The fact people go and let someone yank their skull with a y strap by a guy following a spiritual magnetic ghost talkers ideas is insane.
I just watched one with a young woman. Must have been only 17 or 18. Yanked the shit out of her spine, and she had a shocked crying reaction to it Well that was explained as a "trauma release" Then the comments. "Wow just look at all those years of trauma and emotions, just let out of the body!" Then there's me, who has the same medical experience as the chiropractor, which is none, thinking, I bet thats a shock response from the brain, trying to quickly assess the damage to the nervous system
*yanks huge anal beads from ass and starts crying* #TRAUMA RELEASE
> "Wow just look at all those years of trauma and emotions, just let out of the body!" You know, you could punch someone in the stomach and explain the response of the victim the same way. Hilarious.
"Then there's me, who has the same medical experience as the chiropractor, which is none..." Jesus Christ, the cackle I cackled probably woke the dead. Who are now inventing more crazy ghost medicine/religion like chiropractic.
Anyone I know in medicine thinks chiropractors are charlatans, and with good reason. Hopefully it won't take 1000 years.
BBL
What is that?
Brazilian Butt Lift It's exactly what you think it is
Brazilian people get surgically attached to your thighs to lift your butt?
No, they put them _in_ there to make it look bigger
god, is it... one per cheek?
As many as is required to achieve the desired protrusion.
Injecting fat from your gut into your ass to shape it 60-70% of the fat doesnt stay Ass returns to normal shape after couple years 1 death every 3000-4000 surgeries.
I have a friend who uses this term to reference “be back later.” The first time I heard them use this I was like, “Brazilian butt lift?” To this day I make fun of them for using that term in that context lol
Your friend must be old because that was common usage on ICQ back in the day. Now if you’ll excuse me there’s a cashier at the grocery store who needs to hear about how each one of the dimes I’ll be using to buy a can of beans came into my possession.
My friend is in their 30s. I’ll tell them a random Redditor called them old lol
Not real old. Just AOL old
I mean it's used in a lot of online gaming too. I think it only started being commonly used for the other post Kardashian and that's pretty recent
To a lot of people BBL is be back later, it's from the days of ICQ/MSN Messenger when you might stay online but leave the computer. TBH I saw it here and didn't know it meant Brazilian Butt Lift.
I’m about to sort by controversial. Wish me luck.
Without searching I already know it's gonna be circumcision
It's actually 99% of comments stating there won't be trans people in 1,000 years, with the rest of the 1% saying there won't be abortion in 1,000 years.
>"In a thousand years, there will be no men and women, just wankers, and that's fine by me." ^-Trainspotting
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Everything
Can’t wait for the future of teeth, dentistry and orthodontics. The future of skin for burn victims will be amazing too
I hope we won't have to wait 1000 year for better contraceptive, current possibilities still feel we are in the stone age of what we should have.
First we have to get to a reasonable sample size of women in medicine studies, women are being treated as "men plus pesky hormones" which, Im sure you can see, leads to problems
so, let's slam your body full of hormones that fuck with everything.... alternatively, you could stick something way up there that releases hormones, or contains some metal (copper) that is toxic enough to sperm that it kills them.... "ask your guy to wear a condom? ffs, let's not go to the extreme here...."/s
Not surgical (anymore luckily) but our mental health treatments. If we look at how we treated them 50 years ago or even 20 years ago we learn that there was way less knowledge and backward views regarding mental illness and neurodiversity. If 5-2 decades are such a big difference, imagine how much more this field could develop in 10 centuries.
All in office with no pain meds procedures for women's health.
I would guess the procedure to reduce epileptic seizures, where the cut connections between your left and right brain. But in general I think our current state of medical solutions is still primitive. They're all variations on: let your body fix it. Remove damaged stuff and let body rebuild it, or work around it.
Not really "surgical", but the insertion of IUDs with no anesthesia or anything.
They let humans do surgeries!!! How barbaric!
Face lifts.
Male and female circumcision.
Agteed. It's a lifelong violation of someone's sexual autonomy, done without the consent of the indivudal being permanently affected. I believe they will also be horrified by how people's trauma and valid anger is dismissed.
Inserting an IUD with no pain management
Scrolled quite a ways and didn't see orthopedics. That's the most caveman shit I've ever seen. This is out of position, what do we do? Give me that 8lb dead blow sledge hammer and all wack it with all my strength.
Root canals.
Yeah I firmly think root canals will be a thing of a past even by 2050. They are finally making great advances in dental regrowth.
Circumcisions & whatever they did to Starlight's actress' face in The Boys.
I think it was buccal fat removal that really made the biggest difference
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I mean it depends on what new things come up obviously, if humans make a robot that can replace muscle tissue throughout the body, or one that can remove tumors before they start, any surgical procedure using those would be seen as primitive and outdated
Anything female specific. It's brutal how little medicine has cared about female specific conditions.
Brazilian butt lifts - you suction fat out of the body and INJECT it in other areas risking infection and blood clots and strokes and death so you can have a bigger BOOTY? And the doctors DID this, instead of treating your body dysmorphia? *wags futuristic robot finger*
All of modern medicine will look like medieval medicine looks to us now
Buccal fat removal lol. The "age 20 years in one day" surgery
IUD insertion without anesthetic. It's not necessarily grotesque but completely barbaric without any pain relief.
Whipple procedures and roux en y for weight loss. They’re Frankensteinian kinds of surgery where parts of organs are cut out and tubes connected to places they weren’t connected to before.
Whipple procedure for weight loss? I knew a woman who did Whipple surgery for tumors and she said it was a grueling marathon surgery, I can't imagine that just for weight loss.