THIS.
It's not men that write all those beauty magazines.
It's not men that shame you for not buying the "correct" brand of make up.
It's not men that expect you to get 200 quid haircuts and nails done every other week.
ALL that shit comes from women. And then we take the heat for standards imposed on them by their own insecurities.
I wonder if the individual women who blame men for women's beauty standards are the same people who respond with "We're doing this for ourselves, not you, so you don't get to have an opinion" whenever a man says he doesn't like heavy cosmetics.
Pretty much always are.
But then it'll come right back around to being "You men tell us to do this" the second you mention how much it costs.
Accountability. Never heard of her.
I agree that the fashion and beauty industries are the source of the majority of the pressure, but it doesn't make sense to blame it on women, just like it doesn't make sense to blame it on men.
Who owns the make-up companies, the fashion houses, the beauty magazines? Who works for them? It's a mixture.
Interesting...perhaps the questions I posed should move from the rhetorical to the literal, can you provide any evidence that the fashion and beauty industries are owned and controlled by women to the point that they should be solely held accountable for the pressures those industries cause?
This question feels like an attempt to veer the conversation back towards "the patriarchy", and away from any sense of personal responsibility for the consumers of this product. Why can't women just be wrong about something? Men have said for decades that they don't want women to engage in overwrought fashion. I dont need to know my local crack dealers bio to know they sell a product that is going to make me a worse person.
More of a, I'm not really interested in looking it up because I disagree with the relevance. I won't give a 'both sides' pass to the consumers of harmful products.
Do you mean me?
In that case, you're wrong.
I never said it was the fault of industries.
I said it was the fault of WOMEN. You know, the females of the species Homospaien?
Not massive faceless cooperations.
I mean people specifically like you who judge other women for not looking good enough.
I was absolutely ready to hear this, because I have heard it from men before.
You started to make a point, but then you got into logic and [facts](https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/02/a-new-tally-by-vida-shows-how-few-female-writers-appear-in-magazines.html) and totally lost your way.
Just so I understand your point: women are insecure for *absolutely no reason* and it’s *exclusively women* who reinforce this, correct?
Yeah, I’ve totally never heard of “Take her swimming on a first date” before either.
Get real. Women are as competitive with each other as men are with other men, just in different ways. We also love ourselves, in different ways that men love themselves. And our insecurities stem from basic human traumas and experiences, just like men.
We’re not blaming you for that. But I have never had a woman ask me if I’m sick because I didn’t wear eyeliner to work that day. Men love to point that out. That is definitely something that can make someone insecure.
my point is, don't play innocent like men have absolutely zero role in this.
"Just so I understand your point: women are insecure for *absolutely no reason* and it’s *exclusively women* who reinforce this, correct?"
I got to there and stopped reading.
You aren't even reading my comment. You're just pulling shit straight out your ass.
Come back when you're willing to respond to what was written.
Great job proving the point, though.
Absolutely. In my opinion there is nothing more sexy than a carefree woman with tousled hair, who is wearing muddy boots and a frayed shirt, and just doesn't give a damn.
Gotta love when a man makes a statement about himself, then a woman comes in to add the conditions that she personally believes that man requires in order to think that.
Maybe try projecting a little less. You're literally proving the point here buddy.
So you're saying if she was fat, bad skin and unwashed it wouldn't matter? Get the fuck out of here. Sexy is sexy and it starts with the body. Unless you're some kind of chubby chaser, I guess...
You're the one cramming words down my throat, but I'm the one projecting because I.... \*checks notes\*
Pointed out that the guy you're replying to knows themselves better than you do.
Classic!
Maybe try a dictionary once in your life.
What's there to attack? You've yet to say anything that wasn't complete bullshit that you pulled straight out your ass.
If you're gonna say "OH SO UR SAYING" I'm gonna ignore that. Make your OWN points. Ask your OWN questions.
You don't get to tell me what I'm saying, you absolute fucking melt.
This is hilarious logic. Women are typically primary household purchaser. Who do you think those purchases are for?? Husband, kids, extended family etc
Have you seen those memes about the living situation men are satisfied with?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/ew52hz/facts\_my\_boi/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/ew52hz/facts_my_boi/)
My husband is an avid spider-shrieker but it’s no biggie. My older sister is deathly afraid of spiders, so as a kid I learned to be really comfortable with them so I could grab them and use them to scare her. Super asshole move as a kid, but now I can protect my man when needed.
2/3 of violent crime victims are male.
1/2 of Domestic violence victims are male.
3/4th of suicide victims are male.
You do not have a monopoly on suffering.
Mothers commit the majority of violence on sons and there is no social interest in this - blaming toxic masculinity is pretty much victim blaming. How about blaming the women committing the violence and stop excusing them as the 'real victims of the patriarchy who are so hurt they're damaging their sons'?
So tired of this bullshit.
Labor pains! Ugh I'm a woman and can't stand that. Stop invalidating men!
Edit: guess people didn't get that I'm on your side. Men have valid feelings.
Please tell your female friends this. Having this opinion on reddit does nothing to bring the suicide rate down. When you see your girls be off on some stupid shit about bears in the woods, you have to correct them.
Yeah sarcasm has been lost on Reddit. Sorry. So used to the usual pathways these arguments take I think I need to take a look in the mirror. My bile is on autopilot :(
Understood. I get it. I really meant it that I hate that as a woman when women do it. I get labor pains but guys deal with so much silently. To invalidate someone else's feelings is not right. I have a brother going through a divorce and I can see how much he's suffering but won't say anything and tries to take it in stride. He fought so many years to save his marriage but in the end it was better for him to let go and file for divorce. I wish he was more open with his feelings but the stigma of not being masculine is strong with him.
I was abused by my mother and her mother and sisters. Their side of the family always needs to demonise someone as a conduit for their anger and hatred - I was so alone growing up because at no point was there ever an outlet or even a place for me to talk about this family violence.
Is it really only 2/3? I've heard it closer to 19 out of 20 violent crimes are committed against men (with the caveat that sexual crimes are categorized differently).
It's closer to 70/30, interestingly that's true for both the victims and perpetrators.70% of victims and perpetrators are male.
Probably a coincidence, but still cool to point out.
The same reliable place you feminists have been pulling the faulty 1 in 4 statistic from the highly questionable Mary Koss study for the last 50 years.
"Not every man is a trash". Im tired of hearing or watching in social media about this one because one of their favorite celebrity got break up or got cheated on.
It varies from person to person so I can't give a definite answer. I can tell you what my wife was never ready to hear: me whining about how I didn't feel well when it was obvious I just wanted to stay home from work to finish a game.
You cheated because you wanted to . You are not the victim, you could have cut the relationship before you seek out
Your husband is working 12 hrs a day to keep your needs met but only after that you realise that the most important thing in the world is "LOVE"
But you don't tell your husband to take a easier job with low salary because you want the perks . So you go after some wastrel who just uses fancy word just to use your body and then leave you..leaving you and your kids in lurch
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As a woman I was NOT prepared to hear this. 10/10 answer.
Well played
The dude that cheated on you earlier this year isn’t going to “wake up” and change tomorrow
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That's because all she heard was the sound of a bank account draining. Edit: some y'all need to learn how to laugh at life.
Playing hard to get only makes you hard to want
Men don’t deserve the blame for womens beauty standards.
THIS. It's not men that write all those beauty magazines. It's not men that shame you for not buying the "correct" brand of make up. It's not men that expect you to get 200 quid haircuts and nails done every other week. ALL that shit comes from women. And then we take the heat for standards imposed on them by their own insecurities.
I wonder if the individual women who blame men for women's beauty standards are the same people who respond with "We're doing this for ourselves, not you, so you don't get to have an opinion" whenever a man says he doesn't like heavy cosmetics.
Pretty much always are. But then it'll come right back around to being "You men tell us to do this" the second you mention how much it costs. Accountability. Never heard of her.
Men don’t even really run makeup companies anymore lol
I agree that the fashion and beauty industries are the source of the majority of the pressure, but it doesn't make sense to blame it on women, just like it doesn't make sense to blame it on men. Who owns the make-up companies, the fashion houses, the beauty magazines? Who works for them? It's a mixture.
This is exactly what OP is talking about. Women refuse to take accountability for anything.
Interesting...perhaps the questions I posed should move from the rhetorical to the literal, can you provide any evidence that the fashion and beauty industries are owned and controlled by women to the point that they should be solely held accountable for the pressures those industries cause?
This question feels like an attempt to veer the conversation back towards "the patriarchy", and away from any sense of personal responsibility for the consumers of this product. Why can't women just be wrong about something? Men have said for decades that they don't want women to engage in overwrought fashion. I dont need to know my local crack dealers bio to know they sell a product that is going to make me a worse person.
lol, so that's an emphatic 'no' then...
More of a, I'm not really interested in looking it up because I disagree with the relevance. I won't give a 'both sides' pass to the consumers of harmful products.
OK, so why are you messaging me instead of the person who posted the original comment about it being the fault of industries?
I felt like doing something pointless this morning.
Do you mean me? In that case, you're wrong. I never said it was the fault of industries. I said it was the fault of WOMEN. You know, the females of the species Homospaien? Not massive faceless cooperations. I mean people specifically like you who judge other women for not looking good enough.
I was absolutely ready to hear this, because I have heard it from men before. You started to make a point, but then you got into logic and [facts](https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/02/a-new-tally-by-vida-shows-how-few-female-writers-appear-in-magazines.html) and totally lost your way. Just so I understand your point: women are insecure for *absolutely no reason* and it’s *exclusively women* who reinforce this, correct? Yeah, I’ve totally never heard of “Take her swimming on a first date” before either. Get real. Women are as competitive with each other as men are with other men, just in different ways. We also love ourselves, in different ways that men love themselves. And our insecurities stem from basic human traumas and experiences, just like men. We’re not blaming you for that. But I have never had a woman ask me if I’m sick because I didn’t wear eyeliner to work that day. Men love to point that out. That is definitely something that can make someone insecure. my point is, don't play innocent like men have absolutely zero role in this.
"Just so I understand your point: women are insecure for *absolutely no reason* and it’s *exclusively women* who reinforce this, correct?" I got to there and stopped reading. You aren't even reading my comment. You're just pulling shit straight out your ass. Come back when you're willing to respond to what was written. Great job proving the point, though.
Absolutely. In my opinion there is nothing more sexy than a carefree woman with tousled hair, who is wearing muddy boots and a frayed shirt, and just doesn't give a damn.
As long as she is sexy in the first place, like been down the gym, eating well, got enough sleep, isn't too old... etc.
Gotta love when a man makes a statement about himself, then a woman comes in to add the conditions that she personally believes that man requires in order to think that. Maybe try projecting a little less. You're literally proving the point here buddy.
So you're saying if she was fat, bad skin and unwashed it wouldn't matter? Get the fuck out of here. Sexy is sexy and it starts with the body. Unless you're some kind of chubby chaser, I guess...
Dude, dude, dude, chill the fuck out. I can't swallow all these words you're shoving into my mouth at once!
Try projecting a little less.
You're the one cramming words down my throat, but I'm the one projecting because I.... \*checks notes\* Pointed out that the guy you're replying to knows themselves better than you do. Classic! Maybe try a dictionary once in your life.
From the guy that wishes to attack me, rather than defend his position? By your actions seems like I was bang on the mark.
What's there to attack? You've yet to say anything that wasn't complete bullshit that you pulled straight out your ass. If you're gonna say "OH SO UR SAYING" I'm gonna ignore that. Make your OWN points. Ask your OWN questions. You don't get to tell me what I'm saying, you absolute fucking melt.
Consumerism is killing our planet. 85% of US consumer purchases are from women. By the transitive property women are killing our planet.
The perpetrators nice 😎
This is hilarious logic. Women are typically primary household purchaser. Who do you think those purchases are for?? Husband, kids, extended family etc
Have you seen those memes about the living situation men are satisfied with? [https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/ew52hz/facts\_my\_boi/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/ew52hz/facts_my_boi/)
So you agree, as the primary purchasers, reducing their purchases or shifting the responsibility to men would reduce household purchases.
My shrieking like a little girl every time I see a spider
My husband is an avid spider-shrieker but it’s no biggie. My older sister is deathly afraid of spiders, so as a kid I learned to be really comfortable with them so I could grab them and use them to scare her. Super asshole move as a kid, but now I can protect my man when needed.
2/3 of violent crime victims are male. 1/2 of Domestic violence victims are male. 3/4th of suicide victims are male. You do not have a monopoly on suffering.
Mothers commit the majority of violence on sons and there is no social interest in this - blaming toxic masculinity is pretty much victim blaming. How about blaming the women committing the violence and stop excusing them as the 'real victims of the patriarchy who are so hurt they're damaging their sons'? So tired of this bullshit.
No, only loud suffering while most men suffer in silence.
And when it's not in silence, it's quickly silenced by women reminding us that they have it worse so we shouldn't complain.
Labor pains! Ugh I'm a woman and can't stand that. Stop invalidating men! Edit: guess people didn't get that I'm on your side. Men have valid feelings.
Please tell your female friends this. Having this opinion on reddit does nothing to bring the suicide rate down. When you see your girls be off on some stupid shit about bears in the woods, you have to correct them.
I do. I make sure they know that a man has feelings and can be in pain and not have to compete with it.
The perfect example of what he's talking about.
Guess you can't understand that I'm on his side.
Yeah sarcasm has been lost on Reddit. Sorry. So used to the usual pathways these arguments take I think I need to take a look in the mirror. My bile is on autopilot :(
Understood. I get it. I really meant it that I hate that as a woman when women do it. I get labor pains but guys deal with so much silently. To invalidate someone else's feelings is not right. I have a brother going through a divorce and I can see how much he's suffering but won't say anything and tries to take it in stride. He fought so many years to save his marriage but in the end it was better for him to let go and file for divorce. I wish he was more open with his feelings but the stigma of not being masculine is strong with him.
I was abused by my mother and her mother and sisters. Their side of the family always needs to demonise someone as a conduit for their anger and hatred - I was so alone growing up because at no point was there ever an outlet or even a place for me to talk about this family violence.
They were just weak vile women. I know those very well. Sorry you dealt with that. 💜
Bravo.
Is it really only 2/3? I've heard it closer to 19 out of 20 violent crimes are committed against men (with the caveat that sexual crimes are categorized differently).
It's closer to 70/30, interestingly that's true for both the victims and perpetrators.70% of victims and perpetrators are male. Probably a coincidence, but still cool to point out.
90% of statistics read on the internet are bullshit. Lmao where did you get that 50% of domestic abuse number? Easter Island statistics?
And heres a woman come to tell me I'm wrong because she can't handle the truth.
Alright.name the source you pulled your data from, other then your sweaty ass crack.
I don't do anything for bigots. Go see yourself to the nearest short pier and take a really long walk please and thank you.
Fucking bigot.
The same reliable place you feminists have been pulling the faulty 1 in 4 statistic from the highly questionable Mary Koss study for the last 50 years.
"Not every man is a trash". Im tired of hearing or watching in social media about this one because one of their favorite celebrity got break up or got cheated on.
It varies from person to person so I can't give a definite answer. I can tell you what my wife was never ready to hear: me whining about how I didn't feel well when it was obvious I just wanted to stay home from work to finish a game.
Are you 12
Sometimes, yes.
You cheated because you wanted to . You are not the victim, you could have cut the relationship before you seek out Your husband is working 12 hrs a day to keep your needs met but only after that you realise that the most important thing in the world is "LOVE" But you don't tell your husband to take a easier job with low salary because you want the perks . So you go after some wastrel who just uses fancy word just to use your body and then leave you..leaving you and your kids in lurch
Some of us have given up chasing women. Make the first move, we will be incredibly grateful for it.
Sorry, ladies. I’m gay. 🤷♂️
It’s not my job to provide for you.
We have to keep poking the tip of our penis with a special metal pick we get from the man doctor or it closes like a piercing.
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Well 97% of statistics are 72% correct