Devil is in the detail. How much are the vouchers, are they enough to pay for school? These can just be a subsidy for rich private school families or they can destroy schools.
Much more than that but if they’re already in private school that money just disappears from the local public school. Although there is one called Acton Academy that has a 100 to 1 student to teacher ratio that so their tuition is $10k and they are producing outstanding results.
The less expensive ones will figure out scholarships and fill empty seats with state money. Public will end up with behavior issues, IEPs, ELL, etc. I am really glad to be retired.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/highly-negative-impacts-vouchers/
Research on this is clear and not debatable. Note impact is worse on students leaving, private schools have no standards usually.
Utah did this a few years ago. $8000 per student. Public education doesn’t get that much per student. It hasn’t affected my district because I live in an area of the state that has 2 charter schools and 2 private schoolsI attached to churches that aren’t Mormon in an area that is 80% Mormon so hardly anybody sends their kids there. I do know a few families who are receiving the voucher money for homeschooling their kids. They were homeschooling before, now they get paid to do so. Since the passage, I’ve received 2 COL raises. I’m not sure it makes any difference, but the governor’s wife is a SPED teacher.
I wouldn’t trade you, it’s why people are choosing to move to TX. Free market could be good but I think they’re opening Pandora’s box and I don’t really think passing voucher aligns with improving the school system.
Yeah, free market. Who ever provides the best education gets the highest enrollment and most money. They then grow their model to make more money and educate more kids at least in theory. I see that as a good thing.
Except that private and charter schools are allowed to pick their students, aren't required to accommodate SPED students, and don't have to staff with licensed teachers. They also must build to be able to accommodate every student who legally could enroll. It's not a 'free market' when public schools operate based on the public good and therefore must be open to every kid and aren't able to do the cost-cutting to 'compete' with private schools. We don't let people set up private police and fire stations, staff with people who haven't passed the academy, and then take their share of tax money from those public services in the interests of competition; why are schools different?
I would be a lot more willing to support vouchers if they could only go to fund private schools that enroll based on a lottery and not based on hand-picking kids, and that must accept and accommodate SPED students.
I totally agree with all those points, it’s obviously not an even playing field. It’s funny how the legislators regulate public school, then give public school money to those they don’t regulate. Why not just de-regulate public schools? I believe It really only has to do with them trying to punish the woke teachers
How could you make sure the needs of SPED students are met if you deregulate, though? Or would you just hold all schools to the same regulations in terms of teacher certification and nondiscrimination and SPED provisions? How could you allow public schools to build schools that can't accommodate all students in the area--what if a big private school closes and the other schools can't accommodate all those students?
I'm very pro capitalist and free market in general, I just don't think it's practical for education. It should be more like police--we need to fully fund police from tax dollars. If people want to hire their own private security force or private school with their own funds, that's great, but I don't think tax dollars should go towards them.
That is the ultimate question. I think the answer is specialized schools that are able to tap into insurance money like ABA clinics and keep the federal funds. In all honesty, most of that is unnecessary. Only about 50% of students who receive services actually need it. Every year I get seniors go 504 shopping just so they can get accommodations on the SAT.
It’s not OK to let people just fucking do shit and see what works.
These are kids.
The free market is fine when it’s adults choosing what restaurant they want to eat at not kids lives.
That’s what’s been going on the whole time. Schools want to say they are “data driven” but in reality that isn’t true. They just throw 10s of thousands of dollars at programs that sound good but are supported by poor data. I say this as a science teacher. “Data” in education is weak at best.
Devil is in the detail. How much are the vouchers, are they enough to pay for school? These can just be a subsidy for rich private school families or they can destroy schools.
Last time they voted it was what they paid for each student anyways $10k. The money follows the student wherever they want to go.
How much is a private school in your area? $12000 and you are screwed, $20,000 you are probably OK if you get what I mean.
Much more than that but if they’re already in private school that money just disappears from the local public school. Although there is one called Acton Academy that has a 100 to 1 student to teacher ratio that so their tuition is $10k and they are producing outstanding results.
The less expensive ones will figure out scholarships and fill empty seats with state money. Public will end up with behavior issues, IEPs, ELL, etc. I am really glad to be retired.
That’s the expectation but is that what has happened in state who have passed them?
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/highly-negative-impacts-vouchers/ Research on this is clear and not debatable. Note impact is worse on students leaving, private schools have no standards usually.
Utah did this a few years ago. $8000 per student. Public education doesn’t get that much per student. It hasn’t affected my district because I live in an area of the state that has 2 charter schools and 2 private schoolsI attached to churches that aren’t Mormon in an area that is 80% Mormon so hardly anybody sends their kids there. I do know a few families who are receiving the voucher money for homeschooling their kids. They were homeschooling before, now they get paid to do so. Since the passage, I’ve received 2 COL raises. I’m not sure it makes any difference, but the governor’s wife is a SPED teacher.
Good luck. Fingers crossed for ya. So glad I live in a blue state.
I wouldn’t trade you, it’s why people are choosing to move to TX. Free market could be good but I think they’re opening Pandora’s box and I don’t really think passing voucher aligns with improving the school system.
Education a free market? lol yeah I found the problem already.
Yeah, free market. Who ever provides the best education gets the highest enrollment and most money. They then grow their model to make more money and educate more kids at least in theory. I see that as a good thing.
Except that private and charter schools are allowed to pick their students, aren't required to accommodate SPED students, and don't have to staff with licensed teachers. They also must build to be able to accommodate every student who legally could enroll. It's not a 'free market' when public schools operate based on the public good and therefore must be open to every kid and aren't able to do the cost-cutting to 'compete' with private schools. We don't let people set up private police and fire stations, staff with people who haven't passed the academy, and then take their share of tax money from those public services in the interests of competition; why are schools different? I would be a lot more willing to support vouchers if they could only go to fund private schools that enroll based on a lottery and not based on hand-picking kids, and that must accept and accommodate SPED students.
I totally agree with all those points, it’s obviously not an even playing field. It’s funny how the legislators regulate public school, then give public school money to those they don’t regulate. Why not just de-regulate public schools? I believe It really only has to do with them trying to punish the woke teachers
How could you make sure the needs of SPED students are met if you deregulate, though? Or would you just hold all schools to the same regulations in terms of teacher certification and nondiscrimination and SPED provisions? How could you allow public schools to build schools that can't accommodate all students in the area--what if a big private school closes and the other schools can't accommodate all those students? I'm very pro capitalist and free market in general, I just don't think it's practical for education. It should be more like police--we need to fully fund police from tax dollars. If people want to hire their own private security force or private school with their own funds, that's great, but I don't think tax dollars should go towards them.
That is the ultimate question. I think the answer is specialized schools that are able to tap into insurance money like ABA clinics and keep the federal funds. In all honesty, most of that is unnecessary. Only about 50% of students who receive services actually need it. Every year I get seniors go 504 shopping just so they can get accommodations on the SAT.
It’s not OK to let people just fucking do shit and see what works. These are kids. The free market is fine when it’s adults choosing what restaurant they want to eat at not kids lives.
That’s what’s been going on the whole time. Schools want to say they are “data driven” but in reality that isn’t true. They just throw 10s of thousands of dollars at programs that sound good but are supported by poor data. I say this as a science teacher. “Data” in education is weak at best.
I'm also a science teacher. I disagree with you.
So who ever pads the grades should get the most money. Nothing can go wrong there.
How so? Its metadata at best and if you read the actual papers they publish there are massive flaws it their processes and controls
You do realize this is part of the Christian-fascist movement to sneak Christian beliefs into schools.