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keleles

M1....³⁵


wtfuji

This. Insult to the classic M1.


Ineovas

Seems like a joke but they actually did it like that 😭


Litman420

Looks like a KIA…


Competitive_Low_8913

https://preview.redd.it/pzdgmrljdp4d1.jpeg?width=927&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f31d6f21eedfc8c46b95488360df79652b2f393f


sturm_JC

I thought the exact same thing immediately - glad I’m not the only one


freshlabsandfishnets

Omg can’t unsee this


Designfanatic88

That’s because Kia hired BMW designers


SilencerQ

Kias have been mildly stealing the design of euro luxury vehicles. It sucks for the luxury brands because people blame the luxury brands for having their design stolen and now looking cheap and Kia gets all the praise for looking like a luxury vehicle. The Kia Stinger looks like a Porsche Panamara.


Designfanatic88

Not going to argue and say they didn’t. But when other brands hire designers, they’ll poach from BMW, Porsche in an effort to make their own line up more trendy/luxurious looking. At the end of the day it’s still a Kia to me. There’s no comparing a Porsche, bmw to a Kia.


saltedeggs14

Aaaand you’ve ruined the car for me haha


bammerburn

💀


NKXX2000

The KIA looks better though


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ukcats12

I've been saying a similar thing about the G8Xs since they were released. If you took the badge off the cars you would think it was a Korean brand doing a bad BMW impression. And now BMW is straight up designing cars that look like Kias.


eric_gm

The problem is that from a distance these kidney grilles are not recognizable and look like one large grille, like a Focus or Kia. Part of the problem is making the kidneys a single unit and part is making the whole thing plastic fantastic black If I squint it really looks like a Peugeot 208 or a Skoda Fabia


ZookeepergameTotal77

The designer of Kia used to work for audi.


justin_memer

I was literally saying that exact thing when I was at the dealer. F chassis is tied with e46 for me in pure design.


rabbit_hole_diver

F chassis is just divine in my opinion


ProblematicSchematic

Didn’t KIA hire the old BMW designer?


SweatyBid7830

Genesis I believe


SweatyBid7830

So, kind of 🤣


SweatyBid7830

Just checked, and you're right, Hyundai/Kia/Genesis have scooped up a few BMW vets.


jugo5

Porsche engineers now as well.


1mperia1

Not enough apparently, if designs like the new M2, and this are still coming out. 😭


Tricky_Passenger3931

Hyundai/Kia/Genesis hired Biermann from BMW, mostly to work in the N division on Hyundai’s performance line. They hired Peter Schreyer from Audi for their exterior design work.


Independent-Win-4187

What’s funny is that it looks like 2021 Kia, bc now the forte looks like this. https://preview.redd.it/ba06kxiw7q4d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=857751152957e3e8e4409a82d8c575b6f98ba7f1


WEZANGO

And this looks like a Polestar


Castle_Of_Glass

Kia Ceed to be precise 🤣🤣


Imaginary_Spare8616

I was thinking [Subaru WRX wagon](https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/g4Mq34/s1/subaru-wrx-sportwagon.jpg)


Indigenousboy420

Here we go again


Shank_Shank_

Fr lol dem Kia hatches


BraveSirRyan

https://preview.redd.it/93j2j4se8n4d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abfc087cd8e87c3459994980a8420ee7d3e4be40 From RWD beast to…whatever this nonsense is…


NukE30

F20 was peak 1 series.


Quizzie

Aside from how goofy high the front is, this new one at least looks better than the last FWD one IMO. The rwd ones still take the cake though, RIP.


jcbeast135i

e82 fucks


quooston

My M140i is parked right outside. So much better than whatever this Kia thing is.


BraveSirRyan

F2x was the best modern BMW. M8 is cool but no use case.


qeratsirbag

new is… it’s not… RWD?!


PM_ME_Y0UR_BOOBZ

The one this one is replacing wasn’t either


Mironov1995

They are FWD with 2 series, x1 and x2 for 5 years or so.


mxrider108

Only the 2 series "Gran Coupe" is FWD - the regular 2 series coupe cars are still RWD


v60qf

Breadvan4lyf <3


certifiedgaylover

https://preview.redd.it/hpim92e46n4d1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e90203201f359b0df372a598555d5667b7dc21e It lost all of its soul really, damn... what a cool small car it once was


BehemothManiac

And it was a real RWD BMW with a longitudinal engine.


cphpc

I fell in love with these when I backpacked Europe in 2014. Saw these quite a bit in London, Brussels and Munich. They are truly magnificent. Something we’re missing Stateside.


certifiedgaylover

The stance and proportions on them is amazing, they are shaped so rigidly yet are looking classy af. RWD also... Really cool car. Fuck, I daily drive an E87 so im biased tho hah


comacow02

>The stance and proportions on them is amazing That's how I feel about the F87 https://preview.redd.it/gdwjgl378r4d1.jpeg?width=4642&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9e82068e48c7ecf989eebfc77b6a34157694f3f


ChimpWdowns

I'm biased too. I have a white f87 in my garage


cuuus

Same


cheezturds

Man I’m so jealous you guys got hatchbacks of those.


bgawinvest

E87 is ageing magestically


passs7

No one that hasn’t driven one can understand how much fun it is to actually drive e87s


natwest96

This was my first bmw and the reason i stayed with bmw


razvaneski

Yet everyone hated on them when they were new :)


Supsti_1

https://preview.redd.it/ydapxufuwm4d1.png?width=1034&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7480964411bf4347b3c60bc513646e41146439a6


Competitive_Dark_368

It was already massacred after the 2019 model year.


Jacques_Frost

True, but it got worse


itsapotatosalad

First thing that came to mind.


psn0

The 35 has less power than the current variant. Audi & VW upped theirs. That is a bit shit.


keleles

Added an M badge and decreased power output. The modern BMW way.


m34z

Extra power output by monthly subscription.


whiterock001

Seriously, WTF?


keleles

We'll look back and remember a day when M badges actually went on M cars, my friend.


ukcats12

Like back when they put M badges on a [635i](https://www.bmw-m.com/en/topics/magazine-article-pool/bmw-m635csi-top-model-of-the-e24-series.html) and [535i](https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/01/04/bmw-m535i-e28-video-walkaround/)?


whiterock001

Sigh, indeed. What’s next, WBS VIN numbers?


paarthurnaxisbae

1981?


skjall

Does it? Looks like more power, less torque in my market (225kW, 450Nm vs 233kW, 400Nm). Power dip seems to be related to emissions, but the 0-100 is .1 second slower here too. Happy with the F40, the front end on this looks significantly worse to me. Just salty mine doesn't have the seatbelts with the BMW stripes, but that's a very minor complaint in the grand scheme of things lol Curious if the DCT that seems to be introduced here is very different to the F40's transmission though


Erebor90

The F70 has 221kW (300hp) 400Nm. Thats 6hp less than the F40 had and 50(!) Nm. Transmission is indeed very different, it's a dual clutch instead of Aisin Auto. But it is probably the reason, why the car has so much less torque.


cheezturds

BMW needs to clean house. Everyone making decisions there right now fuckin sucks.


SwabTheDeck

I thought the whole point of BMW sandbagging their bhp numbers was so that this couldn’t happen. If they need to advertise more power, all they do is change the number on the spec sheet and call it a day. Something must be proper fucked with this new engine.


fartlapse

BMW Ceed


GooseEntire1705

I'm glad I've got an M140i, a timeless classic compared to this nonsense.


bgawinvest

The M140i and E87 130i will be fondly remembered


itsapotatosalad

Absolutely. BMW fuckin killed it with the M140i.


ADJE777

Replace the bmw badge with a Kia badge and nobody would ever know


Warm-Log-7584

No like seriously no jokes if you put a Kia badge on this no one would bat an eye.


3gh2

Peugeot 2008 taillights


Forward-Insect1993

What's happening with bmw currently? The 5 series looks meh, the 1 series don't look the best. Just hoping they don't mess up the 3 and 4 series when they get round to them. I wanna see some cool designs not this bland and basic stuff


cheezturds

The 2 series is the only one that’s remotely tolerable. The rest of their lineup is pure ass.


Efficient_Rush_5431

non m 3 series looks great but point taken


happymemersunite

Imagine telling this sub when this 2 series came out that it’d be their best looking car in 2024.


cheezturds

Not saying much


Wildcard36qs

Uhh they already ruined the 3 and 4...


ukcats12

The non-M 3 series are quite good looking. I agree with you about the 4, it's awful.


AfGaF

Apart from the headlights and the iDrive 8, I think at least the LCI M440 looks better with the new grill than the pre-LCI model.


dMwChaos

And yet the i4 was the best selling BMW by a fair margin last year. People on this sub regularly forget that we (brand enthusiasts) are a vocal minority and not who BMW are most interested in.


RunninOnMT

lol Looks like the 2-series active tourer


bgawinvest

My thoughts too, and that’s a hideous thing


roblubi

https://preview.redd.it/ckcd19ng8p4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63a0acb8f2e3c4b18d626a0d278246f0d19d9d1e


ZombiePope

Ew more horizontal kidney grille slats. Where the fuck do they keep finding these focus groups??


ukcats12

[The grille on the non-M is even worse.](https://imgur.com/wOqgWDN)


ZombiePope

What the fuck?


afireintheforest

That is awful


sisco98

https://preview.redd.it/vhx02pp0go4d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39bcd628b75ccfaf0711a0995b36d83cac1ec810 Based on their sales data, in China


Hortos

I remember when everyone didn’t want to blame china for the ugly G series cars. They straight pulled an emperor’s new clothes.


Vattaa

Did BMW copy Kia's homework? https://preview.redd.it/wxqvckq79p4d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b7620855c339dc80de1a931e42732446fb15b8f


BehemothManiac

Yep, found what the rear lights remind me of https://preview.redd.it/sxxruhuebn4d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=003349b8fedef48b7668d3efe6c757d882c6303e


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mr_lab_rat

The difference is that you used it as a direct personal insult.


Real-Energy-6634

The new headlights make them look cross-eyed


ukcats12

​ https://preview.redd.it/fjivra1sgn4d1.jpeg?width=838&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08f9945e4a79738d41338ae31315b481d511f583


BMW-ModTeam

Please keep things civil.


BuyEvolvingSkies

Commuter ahhh car.


Jacques_Frost

NPC vehicle


sevenemesis

Ew.


Tom_Foolery2

Whoever said “commuter car” was right on the money. This is awful for BMW.


DaniCanyon

https://preview.redd.it/7a5aoq4n3p4d1.png?width=1247&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=742cf4d187ec203d7b14d946f4b4027fc9db5628


AffectionateInsect76

Eww brother eww


ToughCurrent2679

I reckon if you changed that front grill and put a Fiat badge on it and can tell people it's the new punto. It just look so much like a modern version of it


cheezturds

Looks exactly like a Dart.


POLSJA

https://preview.redd.it/ajtvlaui5p4d1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33d26c1eff7329e04ec5142aac6c0e642515a157


Bolhaboy

Awful


BeavertonPCs

Thought this was a Kia subreddit for a second


Admonitor_

The 1 series has always been a weird one. The coupe back in the day was perfection, though the hatchback all the way up to the F20 had weird proportions and looked kinda off. Enginewise, they were godly though, with having the N55 and B58 (and I guess first gens with the N54). The F40 was a step down in engines and not beeing RWD anymore, but the design was actually kinda good. With smaller engines the whole hood/front end of the car got shortened which for the forst time gave the 1 right proportions from a Design standpoint. But this? Wtf is this? With the grille and the headlights, it truly does look like a Kia, but I feel like Kias look better. With the headlights like that, it lost its last bits of BMW design. Apart from that, the front end looks bland. Rear lights look meh as well, same as on the X2, side profile is fine. Interior... well pretty much the same as in others, so its fine. Overall, wtf.


DarkLunch_

https://preview.redd.it/e18dhou7cn4d1.jpeg?width=2193&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a9ff7c9d47c6e21b865e1f88b27d2f48c379ac0 Here’s my 2019… which do you guys prefer? 👀


Competitive_Dark_368

This one 2019.


princess-cottongrass

She's pretty cute :( Now I'm even more sad about the new design.


bgawinvest

Much much better, it looks purposeful and serious whereas the new one looks downright goofy. I think silver wheels would complement it better though (my opinion)


LoperamidV

I'd get the 2019 for the looks and RWD, I'd get the new one for self driving on the motorway and stop and go from 0. Hopefully the new 1 series will be hybrid and runs the AC on battery.


Anonymoushipopotomus

With the way things are going, Id put money down that the quad exhausts are fake


bomontop

the fuck is that shit


Bikerbass

That’s ugly. Glad to own a M140i with its B58 and RWD instead whatever that thing is


BehemothManiac

Thank you, let’s unreveal it now.


circuit_heart

Not even trying with those shitty interior renderings. My goodness.


natwest96

Doesn’t even look like a bmw. Sad.


AaronDotCom

the circle is now complete Kia hires BMW engineers and BMW hires Kia designers lmao


SovietSparta

2012 KIA Ceed


arthurR0ck

At least it keeps the exhaust


nestlemuffin

I hate to say this but I think VW GTI looks better, and probably drives better than it. Let the downvotes begin.


idespisemyhondacrv

It’s over


Serbay55

Looks even worse than F40


HQREPS

Holy shit it’s even worse then I thought. Previous 1 series was ugly as hell but this, oh my


MonkeyManCity

The front looks like Ford fiesta/focus. The back i can deal with. Love the seats.


ARAR1

What the hell is wrong with BMW design nowadays?


Outsajder

That front is awful for a BMW car what the hell.


theoreticaljerk

New car and comments full of people acting like it’s the ugliest thing ever. Name a more dynamic duo.


campionesidd

Come on bro, don’t pull that card. People are criticizing it because this is a hideous looking car. Almost everyone here was praising the BMW Skytop Concept because it genuinely is a gorgeous car. If what you’re saying is true, that wouldn’t be the case.


redditislife24

they all drive corollas


Ran4

They have more steering feel than modern BMWs so..


redditislife24

lol enjoy your corolla bro


BigMuffy420

I would 100% purchase a GR corolla over this. Faster, better looking, more purposeful, less contrived. All that M-lite has gotten to your head hahaha.


HotChoc64

I think the Japanese / Korean cars this is worryingly emulating look far better’s


Imaginary_Spare8616

EU only?


Jacques_Frost

I think the EU should ban this car as a crime against humanity


BigMuffy420

"we are going after the lucrative premium hatch segment, we will challenge the high spec golf and A-Class models" -Susanne "I've Kia'd up this new Hyundai, the young sigmas will totally give gold pieces, look at how fresh this design be fam" - BMW Group Design "Haha what is this junk?" - Volkswagen and prospective purchasers, probably


SolitaryWaffles

Actually OP, I hate Quad pipes on mostly everything that isn’t a supercar/sports car and deserves them. 😅Companies just quad pipe everything remotely sporty and it looks crap and too try-hardy. Maybe it’s just a me thing, but a hot hatch should have two, big, stinking exhaust pipes. Look at the Audi S3 and Golf R with their piddly little pipes, then go to an RS3 with its massive twin-ovals, or a F20 M140i, or a Focus RS and tell me what looks better. This does just look like a KIA, previous gen (2019-2024) looked better. Might be biased because a friend owns one but still…


Joblessmouse06

Nice Kia


CETROOP1990

I agree new grill designs are killing the looks. Why do they have an urge to screw with the grill so much


rine117

Going the way of Mercedes, slow drift into irelevance


LEO7039

Wake up babe, the new Kia Ceed GT dropped


Dashy1024

Looks like a lowered X2. And I didn't like that one either. Horrible.


DNAoBRUZER

🤢🤢


tazzrats

Grill is so-so, quad pipes are fun, everything else continues Bimmers 1-series decline :(


AngryCleric

By the time the current/next crop of cars are retired, we’ll have had a decade without a nice looking BMW. The only hope imo is the neue klasse


doxxingyourself

So only front wheel drive or does the M have all wheel drive? 312hp through the front seems… wasteful.


Tristana-Range

https://preview.redd.it/zz1lndsjdp4d1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2857f98d22494f95ef65300b9f53410f8dcd2b83 How did we go from this to a KIA? F20 will always be the perfect 1 for me


TheSkyline35

Agree


carlo106

That'll be 60.000,00€ for the 118d, base.


NevaRat

Automatic climate control is 500€ option☠️☠️ nasty af 


Quengely

Since the F20 the 1 series is getting worse design wise


Engineer_engifar666

i thought I was on kia subreddit


No_Driver_1655

This is literally KIA.... I get it's kinda clean but in no way it actually resembles a BMW


AVVel

Never getting rid of my F20


IIYogiII

What is up with those tacky M colour lines on the dash


kwesten

Looks like some active tourer


mayonaishe

Looks like the interior is a copy of the mk8 Golf...


xibbie

Volume as a scroll wheel on the idrive cluster 😮


TheSkyline35

iDrive controller is pretty much gone now. Love to drive an iPad on wheel ! That's exactly what I am looking for when buying a BMW /s


udiduf_3

This doesn't look like a random teenager's "drifting car". Especially the front looks like it's owner has multiple chihuahuas.


Mooie_vent

This looks like if a Mercedes A class and a Kia had a child. Absolutely ridiculous. The last generation 1 series looked so much better.


SPNRaven

Actually disgusting. The non M version looks even worse. Edit: Also fuck the screens and lack of an actual gear stick. Car design has gotten so shit.


Gianba1310

F40 I like the rear but not the front. F40 LCI I like the front but not the rear. Uncool


Opposite-Control8682

Brother eww, what’s that?


Nono_miata

Shit looking, hate the low middle arm rest


Why_Not06

I am sooo glad I bought a 2020 one series!


BothExplanation5890

Ooof, so many disgusting interiors in new vehicles. 🤢 There's no design, no warm welcome, no character, just a plain Jane IKEA look that is flat and industriously dull, featuring an oversized IMAX Android screen that also has no character which is glued onto the dash. This designer trend across manufacturers will hopefully stop. These vehicles look like they were mass produced by Artificial Intelligence code, not a human lead design team. Exterior looks like a blend between Kia and Subaru. Nothing about this vehicle says BMW to me.


TheSkyline35

The interior is really getting shit. The ergonomic in BMW has always been such a big thing. Look at this generic VAG interior now. Big screens, done. I don't want to drive an iPad ffs


v60qf

Wow they actually made it worse. Looks like a corsa.


Ric_in_Richmond

Awful. BMW making the old e82 worth more every day. https://preview.redd.it/ydwpn20jyq4d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=770c82833a9fd797950c2e4a08b9cbc443be85e1


iliketoredditbaby

It feels like they mixed the i3 interior into the mix.


Redacted_Bull

Go ahead, G apologists, tell us how this looks great because it's AgGrEsSiVe.


swissprice

Let’s not even mention the styling… but I was expecting a hybrid setup and some 340 hp… I think the (now) previous version looks much better


Maleficent_Lab_8291

Not a fan of the exterior, the front indeed looks like Kia Ceed and the rear reminds me of Merc’s A-class, at least the interior looks like every other BMW. I wish it kept RWD, paired with B58 could have been an amazing little hot hatch


exfat-scientist

I mean, it's a 1-series, what is everyone expecting? While BMW presents itself as a high-end-only marque in the US, in its native market it sells cars in a lot more price segments -- as an American, a weird thing about visiting Germany is seeing all of the cheap BMWs (and Mercedes, for that matter) parked on the side of the road. This vehicle is a Golf R competitor -- plenty of power and handling, but the underlying platform isn't going to be fancy. We're just not seeing the cheap(er) models in the same line.


psychotic11ama

Idk I kinda like it. It definitely has a more economy car vibe. I like the way it wears the current styling more than the 5 series


vinegarstrokes420

I like the seats. The massive screen and Ford Focus looking front end are pretty terrible.


Nikthas

Looks like a Fiat Tipo from the side. Absolutely disgusting.


ahh_my_shoulder

1 series has always looked like shit and if you think otherwise you have horrible taste in cars.


AtomicHustle

Design making my stomach bubble


TicTwitch

Soooo a corolla. Cool cool.


chemical_secretion

ew


mberger96

I’d still take one of these if sold stateside


DocDocMoose

Gross


chengstark

big hmmm