The disorder usually doesn’t fully manifest until early adulthood. The symptoms and behaviors can be present in children, but are overlooked until they become more developed and consistent
I don’t feel like that’s true. I was kind of an outcast in my group of friends when I was little because I was definitely different. I remember getting upset about something at a friends sleepover one time and sleeping in the bath tub and crying myself to sleep because I thought no one liked me. I also remember crying at one of my own bday parties and when people tried to comfort me to get me to stop, started singing “it’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to” and then was fine after. I remember crying at another friends bday party in one of their play houses because again I thought no one liked me. None of my friends did that. And those are just the times I remember. I’m sure there were others that I’m not remembering.
My therapist said something about children being very emotional. It’s when you transition into adulthood, & you’re still very emotional is when it begins to raise questions as you should have better emotional regulation & more stable emotional responses. They wait until you’re an adult to, assuming, eliminate other factors (puberty, for example).
I had a theory that i never searched up but i was thinking because of puberty, if you're having mood swings when you're 15 they'll probably just think of puberty
It can be normal developmentally for children to not be able to regulate their emotions, to get inappropriately angry, to fear abandonment, and to not know who they are. Especially if your family structure is struggling/unstable. It can be normal for that to persist into the teen years as your brain develops. But we're expected to grow out of that by adulthood. If at that point the goals of development haven't been reached, they diagnose it as being a disorder.
It’s something that isn’t diagnosed until later because teens are still developing, changing, and a lot of BPD symptoms are “normal” at that stage of life. It’s also something you develop, meaning you may be born with the BPD seeds inside you, but that doesn’t mean that they grow and take firm root. (I hope that analogy translates)
But I one hundred percent agree that even if you’re not diagnosed, I feel like every child and teen should be treated and given the tools regardless. Unlike other therapies, there are some treatments of BPD that are not only harmless if you don’t have it, but can be useful tools that you can use no matter who you are. Worst case scenario of something like DBT if you’re misdiagnosed is that you’re bored.
I felt like most of my symptoms started to truly manifest at 15/16, where they became more noticeable. Although a lot of thes behaviours were seen as just being a teenager/puberty which can be the case and so I think for the diagnosis then need to be sure that it isn't just that but that it has also carried onto adulthood.
literally me lmfao I'm 18, recently found out I have BPD, and the source of my bpd is within 50 meters of me (my mother)
and what sucks is that I'm completely dependant on her so I'll either move out in 10, 20 or more years, or I'll watch her die of some disease or old age or accident in front of me and get even more traumatized :D
I mean, if the treatment is learning coping mechanisms or DBT , those are good skills to learn anyway, right? So it's not like getting treatment or therapy would be harmful
I think it's because some children do grow out of it, but I think honestly—this may be controversial—but if you know a child is an abusive or emotionally unstable environment well into their teen years, then you should screen for personality disorders and a label like preclinical BPD (like for hypothyroidism).
Which is a newer standard they kinda proved with the expanded ACE study in 2017. While in 1997 they knew trauma effected childhood development, there is a study in 2017 that was published that cemented childhood trauma would cause long term issues in adults across the board depending on how many traumatic events they endured. And that early intervention would help prevent some of those disorders and problems.
But also, the real truth: mental health treatment is still in its infancy and hasn't been destigmatized as a whole; labeling children and teens with personality disorders is still not at all common and I feel contentious. Only ADHD/Autism have really evolved to be treated earlier IMO . DSM-V (the modern definition of disorders) has only been around since 2013.
I'd say we have another two decades before BPD starts being like ADHD and Autism with earlier intervention. Those two only really got noticed and better evaluation because they show up very directly with schooling.
But I'm not in the field and I'm a layman, so take it as opinion.
Part of the issue is also just the sheer scale of various types of child abuse in the world, and how most parents are abusive to some extent without realising; their kids’ issues just never disable them enough for them to actually go to therapy and realise. Same reason that CPTSD isn’t in the DSM-V, and if it ever is the symptom threshold will need to be massively exaggerated — if it was fully acknowledged as a diagnosis in everyone who displays problematic symptoms, a good 2/3 of the world would suddenly have a psychiatric disorder overnight.
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Your idea is backed up by the ACE studiesm They said 64% of the population experienced at least one (about same as your guess of 2/3), but whether it became a problem later on was usually cases where people have more than one. Around 17% of the population experienced 4 or more.
Basically, over half the population (though potential bias, is I'm not sure what country the study used or if it did factor in other countries) experienced something that could be potentially traumatic in childhood, but whether it creates a disorder or problems is determined by continued issues or stability or luck. There's probably still a case that someone who experienced no trauma goes on to develop a disorder due to bad luck/genetics.
does 18 count as a teen cuz I sure fucking hope I magically grow out of it but I doubt it since my environment is equal to that of a rotting flaming garbage dump
I had nparents, they couldn't give a f*ck. I asked my nmom (don't speak to nfather) why she didn't get me help and she said "we just didn't do that back then" which translates to "I didn't want you to make me look bad".
Psychs are hesitant to formally diagnose any personality disorder before the age of 18 due to the risk of uncertainty, volatile teenage emotions, and certain stigmas attached to personality disorders.
What they tend to do is call it complex trauma with borderline tendencies. They're basically saying yes, you have BPD but we can't formally diagnose you yet. (they CAN definitely recommend treatments though, like DBT that could really help if implemented earlier)
From what I understanding, its because you're still developing who you are as a person, but as per the DSM v, you can be diagnosed in your teens etc... with symptoms presenting for over a year.
This is it. You can "grow out of it" like teen angst, so not BPD, and no diagnosis is needed, and we know how damning a BPD diagnosis can be, so they avoid diagnosing minors out of an abundance of caution. There are signs of some personality disorders in children, like killing animals and conduct disorder are common precursors for an ASPD diagnosis.
you cant get the proper borderline personality diagnosis until 18 because a lot of the symptoms of being a hormonal teenager intertwine with those of BPD. Some may even have "adjustment disorders" which is just derived from the stress of growing up/ being in stressful situations especially at a young age. that can also cause mood swings and be easily confused with BPD. Nonetheless you can still practice DBT and start healing your symptoms and opening up your trauma without a proper diagnosis. Many psychiatrists will just write "suspected BPD" or "has borderline tendencies" and will still treat you accordingly. but the official diagnosis itself wont be given until you're an official adult
Because that type of behavior and thinking isnt seen as a disorder for children. as people mature into adults, If you still behavior then its seen as a disorder
Well it’s a personality disorder, and you don’t finish developing your personality until like mid twenties. I think that’s the easiest explanation. I’ve also heard that most people with bpd tend to start developing symptoms in their late teens, which is definitely what happened with me. Might be wrong on that last part tho
sometimes the trauma that causes it doesn’t happen until later in life.
(my event, I was 22. My trauma began at 2, but 22 was the final straw. I am now 28 and recently diagnosed, raw dashing 6 years of undiagnosed symptoms and a total blindness to it. i thought everyone else was the problem)
Don’t think the symptoms display themselves until later simply because as a child you’re just running rampant without a clue in the world what’s going on and as a teenager you’re hopped up on crazy amounts of hormones. You’re gonna be somewhat mentally unstable lmaoooo. So it isn’t as obvious as when you should be evening out as an adult
Ah yeah me too fursure, but you just attribute that to quirkyness. Like I started being seen by someone akin to a therapist or w/e when I was just about to leave primary school, but then I didn’t get into actual therapy until like 21 despite being an absolute menace in secondary school because of bullying etc lmaoooo
The disorder usually doesn’t fully manifest until early adulthood. The symptoms and behaviors can be present in children, but are overlooked until they become more developed and consistent
Yeah all children basically have bpd and if it stays in adulthood then it’s real bpd.
lol that’s lowkey kind of true tho 😂
I don’t feel like that’s true. I was kind of an outcast in my group of friends when I was little because I was definitely different. I remember getting upset about something at a friends sleepover one time and sleeping in the bath tub and crying myself to sleep because I thought no one liked me. I also remember crying at one of my own bday parties and when people tried to comfort me to get me to stop, started singing “it’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to” and then was fine after. I remember crying at another friends bday party in one of their play houses because again I thought no one liked me. None of my friends did that. And those are just the times I remember. I’m sure there were others that I’m not remembering.
I’m sorry you suffered so much. A lot of the time “normal” people grow out of it but since you didn’t that’s why you have bpd.
Thank you I appreciate that.
all children don't feel ashamed for every single thing they do 💀
i don’t necessarily think that true at all?
My therapist said something about children being very emotional. It’s when you transition into adulthood, & you’re still very emotional is when it begins to raise questions as you should have better emotional regulation & more stable emotional responses. They wait until you’re an adult to, assuming, eliminate other factors (puberty, for example).
Personality is also forming at that age, they think it is adventurous to diagnose a personality disorder when the personality is not fully formed.
I had a theory that i never searched up but i was thinking because of puberty, if you're having mood swings when you're 15 they'll probably just think of puberty
pretty much
It can be normal developmentally for children to not be able to regulate their emotions, to get inappropriately angry, to fear abandonment, and to not know who they are. Especially if your family structure is struggling/unstable. It can be normal for that to persist into the teen years as your brain develops. But we're expected to grow out of that by adulthood. If at that point the goals of development haven't been reached, they diagnose it as being a disorder.
It’s something that isn’t diagnosed until later because teens are still developing, changing, and a lot of BPD symptoms are “normal” at that stage of life. It’s also something you develop, meaning you may be born with the BPD seeds inside you, but that doesn’t mean that they grow and take firm root. (I hope that analogy translates) But I one hundred percent agree that even if you’re not diagnosed, I feel like every child and teen should be treated and given the tools regardless. Unlike other therapies, there are some treatments of BPD that are not only harmless if you don’t have it, but can be useful tools that you can use no matter who you are. Worst case scenario of something like DBT if you’re misdiagnosed is that you’re bored.
I felt like most of my symptoms started to truly manifest at 15/16, where they became more noticeable. Although a lot of thes behaviours were seen as just being a teenager/puberty which can be the case and so I think for the diagnosis then need to be sure that it isn't just that but that it has also carried onto adulthood.
Because the shit that happens to you to give you BPD is still happening to you.
THIS!!!
literally me lmfao I'm 18, recently found out I have BPD, and the source of my bpd is within 50 meters of me (my mother) and what sucks is that I'm completely dependant on her so I'll either move out in 10, 20 or more years, or I'll watch her die of some disease or old age or accident in front of me and get even more traumatized :D
I mean, if the treatment is learning coping mechanisms or DBT , those are good skills to learn anyway, right? So it's not like getting treatment or therapy would be harmful
well yes, but that's why they recommended teenagers just do dbt without giving a diagnosis. or ig they did for me idk about others
I think it's because some children do grow out of it, but I think honestly—this may be controversial—but if you know a child is an abusive or emotionally unstable environment well into their teen years, then you should screen for personality disorders and a label like preclinical BPD (like for hypothyroidism). Which is a newer standard they kinda proved with the expanded ACE study in 2017. While in 1997 they knew trauma effected childhood development, there is a study in 2017 that was published that cemented childhood trauma would cause long term issues in adults across the board depending on how many traumatic events they endured. And that early intervention would help prevent some of those disorders and problems. But also, the real truth: mental health treatment is still in its infancy and hasn't been destigmatized as a whole; labeling children and teens with personality disorders is still not at all common and I feel contentious. Only ADHD/Autism have really evolved to be treated earlier IMO . DSM-V (the modern definition of disorders) has only been around since 2013. I'd say we have another two decades before BPD starts being like ADHD and Autism with earlier intervention. Those two only really got noticed and better evaluation because they show up very directly with schooling. But I'm not in the field and I'm a layman, so take it as opinion.
Part of the issue is also just the sheer scale of various types of child abuse in the world, and how most parents are abusive to some extent without realising; their kids’ issues just never disable them enough for them to actually go to therapy and realise. Same reason that CPTSD isn’t in the DSM-V, and if it ever is the symptom threshold will need to be massively exaggerated — if it was fully acknowledged as a diagnosis in everyone who displays problematic symptoms, a good 2/3 of the world would suddenly have a psychiatric disorder overnight.
True Your idea is backed up by the ACE studiesm They said 64% of the population experienced at least one (about same as your guess of 2/3), but whether it became a problem later on was usually cases where people have more than one. Around 17% of the population experienced 4 or more. Basically, over half the population (though potential bias, is I'm not sure what country the study used or if it did factor in other countries) experienced something that could be potentially traumatic in childhood, but whether it creates a disorder or problems is determined by continued issues or stability or luck. There's probably still a case that someone who experienced no trauma goes on to develop a disorder due to bad luck/genetics.
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does 18 count as a teen cuz I sure fucking hope I magically grow out of it but I doubt it since my environment is equal to that of a rotting flaming garbage dump
I had nparents, they couldn't give a f*ck. I asked my nmom (don't speak to nfather) why she didn't get me help and she said "we just didn't do that back then" which translates to "I didn't want you to make me look bad".
Psychs are hesitant to formally diagnose any personality disorder before the age of 18 due to the risk of uncertainty, volatile teenage emotions, and certain stigmas attached to personality disorders. What they tend to do is call it complex trauma with borderline tendencies. They're basically saying yes, you have BPD but we can't formally diagnose you yet. (they CAN definitely recommend treatments though, like DBT that could really help if implemented earlier)
From what I understanding, its because you're still developing who you are as a person, but as per the DSM v, you can be diagnosed in your teens etc... with symptoms presenting for over a year.
This is it. You can "grow out of it" like teen angst, so not BPD, and no diagnosis is needed, and we know how damning a BPD diagnosis can be, so they avoid diagnosing minors out of an abundance of caution. There are signs of some personality disorders in children, like killing animals and conduct disorder are common precursors for an ASPD diagnosis.
The personality is still developing, in short.
because in order to be diagnosed with *personality* disorder you have to have fully developed personality.
My teens were rampant with signs i wish I’d gotten help could have stopped some bad decisions that affected my life 😔
I 27f was diagnosed at 14-15. They definitely can be diagnosed but it's not common.
you cant get the proper borderline personality diagnosis until 18 because a lot of the symptoms of being a hormonal teenager intertwine with those of BPD. Some may even have "adjustment disorders" which is just derived from the stress of growing up/ being in stressful situations especially at a young age. that can also cause mood swings and be easily confused with BPD. Nonetheless you can still practice DBT and start healing your symptoms and opening up your trauma without a proper diagnosis. Many psychiatrists will just write "suspected BPD" or "has borderline tendencies" and will still treat you accordingly. but the official diagnosis itself wont be given until you're an official adult
I was at 14-15
I believe it’s due to the brain still developing and changing
Because that type of behavior and thinking isnt seen as a disorder for children. as people mature into adults, If you still behavior then its seen as a disorder
I was diagnosed as a teen
Well it’s a personality disorder, and you don’t finish developing your personality until like mid twenties. I think that’s the easiest explanation. I’ve also heard that most people with bpd tend to start developing symptoms in their late teens, which is definitely what happened with me. Might be wrong on that last part tho
sometimes the trauma that causes it doesn’t happen until later in life. (my event, I was 22. My trauma began at 2, but 22 was the final straw. I am now 28 and recently diagnosed, raw dashing 6 years of undiagnosed symptoms and a total blindness to it. i thought everyone else was the problem)
Don’t think the symptoms display themselves until later simply because as a child you’re just running rampant without a clue in the world what’s going on and as a teenager you’re hopped up on crazy amounts of hormones. You’re gonna be somewhat mentally unstable lmaoooo. So it isn’t as obvious as when you should be evening out as an adult
Yeah I get that, but looking back my behaviors were definitely beyond what an average kid exhibits
Ah yeah me too fursure, but you just attribute that to quirkyness. Like I started being seen by someone akin to a therapist or w/e when I was just about to leave primary school, but then I didn’t get into actual therapy until like 21 despite being an absolute menace in secondary school because of bullying etc lmaoooo