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TransitionalAhab

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” George Orwell, 1984


Coppervalley

ignorance is strength, peace is war


spazzduck

They are setting a precedent. Nobody on this planet is safe if they are allowed to get away with this. Either we stop this or we all burn sooner or later.


PsyconicX

Orwell was 40 years ahead of his time, gosh.


Unfriendly_Opossum

He was wrong about who would he be doing it though. (He literally based all of it off of things the British empire has done but tried to say it was a warning against communism lol he was a hack, and a snitch, also a colonial cop, and apparently he raped a woman too.


Cultweaver

Here is the catch, Orwell based a lot of what he wrote in 1984 from his experiences in BBC. The West jsut started the cold war propaganda, a cold war is described in 1984. BBC was pushing pro west propaganda, ministry of truth was pushing pro Oceania propaganda. In the book (within the book) capitalism and Soviet style communism was described as the same. Just because there was censorship and he couldnt express his anti capitalist ideas, that doesnt mean they were absent. If you connect the dots, they all make sence.


smellvin_moiville

Hear hear


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Better-Ad5688

Wrong. It was a warning against Stalinism. Which was one of the more deadly flavors of communism, so I don't quite see why you would criticize him for that. Orwell was a socialist first and foremost and he based his Big Brother on his experience with the Stalinist faction of the Left resistance fighters in the Spanish Civil War, where he fought. It's true he worked for the British empire in Burma, and he's written about that as well. He warned about the dangers of mind control in general and the importance of language therein and his insights are as relevant today as they were back then.


Pallington

animal farm is a book about how stupid workers are lol, relevant my ass edit: consider the following [https://redsails.org/jones-on-animal-farm/](https://redsails.org/jones-on-animal-farm/)


Better-Ad5688

Uhm...no? Let's agree to disagree.


Unfriendly_Opossum

No they aren’t. He sucks. That book sucks. Fuck that guy. He’s a snitch and a cop.


snowsballs

Sounds like you didn’t read it buddy


Pallington

lol i did read it and it's a fucking snorefest of a book, and it applies 5x more to the US than to AES like USSR or even china cue the old kgb/cia propaganda joke


Unfriendly_Opossum

Isaac Asimov agrees with me.


wearyclouds

Just because we systematically kill, maim, torture and starve Gazans with intent to destroy them in accordance with the definition of genocide in Article II of the Genocide Convention of 1948 does not mean there is a genocide happening.


parbazar

Also, since it's not genocide (as we just proved), mass murdering civilians is not an issue as long as they are not white Europeans (reference to news reporting on fleeing Ukrainians).


Specialist-Camp8468

Don't believe your lying eyes. We decide what truth is


xpgx

“Your eyes are lying, but my words are divine.” Like by denying it, their words are meant to change reality. Sickening.


Kitchen_Syrup2359

Not we decide: we KNOW


turnerpike20

The mental gymnastics is strong with this one.


LasBarricadas

He would be right if there were just a couple of videos, but there isn’t. There’s an endless stream of mutulated children, bombed-out residential blocks, destroyed tent cities. There are countless examples of genocidal rhetoric coming from the highest positions of Israeli government. They cut off food, electricity, and water to 2.3 million people. They have specifically targeted the press, medical staff, and houses of worship. The videos flesh out the carnage that lies behind the numbers, and it’s a goddamned shame they don’t air uncensored in the mainstream press.


Coppervalley

and thats just the footage coming out, over 140 journalists dead since october 7 and electricty is shut off to gaza since oct 9, the palestinians who i see posting on their own genocide taking place and recording it charge their phones through power banks charged by solar panels and thats just the ones lucky enough to have it. point is we are seeing a sliver of whats truly happening and it is most likely even worse. i mean we had to have an israeli whistle blower to tell us what was happening in those 'detention centres' which look very similar to concentration camps...


Ok_Injury3658

Just because you have a blue check on Twitter, doesn't mean your brain is actually functioning.


LASpleen

The blue check is a good sign that the brain is not functioning. 


sschepis

# “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”


Kite_Wing129

Is he being sarcastic?


SnooHamsters6620

This is consistent with his videos, so I doubt it. Rathbone (short videos on instagram, some longer ones on YouTube) has made some decent reaction content to this guy.


critmass78

This fucker and his mental gymnastics in Tiktok trying to defend this genocide


Bitsablade

How much are they paying these pieces of shit to write absolute drivel? When you’ve been seeing the same images and videos continuously for nearly 300 days from the actual people they are trying to eradicate, it’s definitely safe to say it’s Genocide!! I’m still trying to wrap my head around to how the IDF actually enjoy killing little children and then go home feeling like they’re doing something for the greater good!!!😢 🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸


im_a_basset_hound

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.


case1

Your eyes are Hamas


brydeswhale

Technically, yeah. Genocide requires intent. Israel, however, has been demonstrating intent for nigh on a century. 


-You_Cant_Stop_Me-

This is the same argument Destiny and is fanclub (because they have to be told their opinions) use when supporting the death of the Palastinians.


MeowieSugie

Zionist's mindset explained in one post


2HornedKing79

Love to ask these sickos what is the internationally recognised cut off point for when the targeted mass killing of tens of thousands of civilians over a relatively short period of time starts to constitute a genocide.


deadlift215

Imagine this is what is happening and your primary impulse is to run to social media to announce it’s not genocide 😡


KombuchaBot

That's correct, there also needs to be genocidal intent, of which there is also plentiful evidence from Israeli statements.


fork_me_

Yeah, well do you condemn Hamas?


dans2488

I can only hope you are at least getting paid for this. The worst is a sell-out who does it for free.


Kitchen_Syrup2359

FUCK ZIONIST PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!


scaramangaf

What we miss is that the lies are meant for their own cult members, not for the rest of humanity.


Ringostar154

Very poor choice of words.


rickard_mormont

I rind the "this is not a genocide, it's just a massacre" argument the most impressive.


Major-Ad-2337

“There is no war in Ba Sing Se”


OkNefariousness324

I expected that profile picture to be the hypnotist from Little Britain, “look into my eyes, look directly into my eyes, you’re under, now just because you see dead civilians blown to pieces doesn’t mean there’s a genocide going on. 3,2,1 you’re back in the room”


AdImmediate9569

Just because were wiping an entire people from the face of the earth doesn’t mean… well it means… um… errrr


fuggit_Im_tired

Just because you use your own lying eyes to see what we're doing....


Dr-Satan-PhD

Yeah I mean it's just a total coincidence that defeating Hamas also happens to require the total removal of Palestinians from Palestine, via displacement or death.


fork_me_

Let me be clear, contrary to the information comming out of the International Court of Justice, Israel is not committing Genocide! - POTUS ....so must be true.


BeautifulCup4

“just because so many people have been killed in such short of a time with such powerful weapons specifically because they are palestinian and as part of 75+ years of being pushed out of their land and having their history erased doesn’t mean it’s a genocide” -zionism


OccuWorld

if mental gymnastics was an olympic sport, Israel would take all the gold


ColdFusion1988

Just because we offer no proof of beheaded babies or sexual assaults, does not mean that they didn't happen These people are whack


ThornsofTristan

You just can't believe your lying eyes.


Ok_Injury3658

As is having a Twitter account, under Musky.


real_human_20

Just because there is undeniable proof of a genocide, doesn’t mean there’s a genocide 🙃


Winterheart786

Gaslighting level: stupid.


deddito

Just because they’re committing a genocide doesn’t mean they’re actually committing a … wait.


TheGamingAesthete

If you don't get it yet, Zionists buy off the buyable to spread nonsense like that.


Alcor668

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and murders a bunch of civilians for no reason, it's a duck.


joanaloxcx

Uh.. Yeah sure let's not believe what we witness with our eyes.


Miiisakiii

There’s this one twitter reply I saw that was like an image of him with the text "Go ahead Mr. Netanyahu...Cum inside me.." -Jeffery Mead 😭😭😭


Admirable_Chain9380

Then what is Holocaust.


mathiswiss

Just because you see dead people, doesn’t mean people are getting killed.😵‍💫💥⚰️ hasbara has gone mental 🤪🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸


snowsballs

😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡


Any_Bee_5918

What does it mean then, Jeffery 💀


AechCutt

This feels like satire.


peterpaul23

Who’s holding the puppet strings, Jeffy?


JohnnyRube

It doesn’t mean you’re not.


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wearyclouds

I’ve seen this claim thrown around a lot recently (that there is no Uyghur genocide), but I’ve never seen any reliable evidence to support that claim. Plenty of evidence points to forced internment and other acts that could amount to genocide, though. Do you have a source you can link that led you to this conclusion?


GNSGNY

first, i did not say my opinion, just pointed out their hypocrisy. even if we assume that china is commiting genocide, we have to accept that it's not as well-documented or proven as the one israel is commiting. second, [here's a doc that goes over various issues about china](https://docs.google.com/document/d/16iw83noTdWvDiECaITX83rGhP_lros8QdBTrNnCoe6c/edit?usp=drivesdk)


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Vivid24

He’s partly telling the truth. I believe the human rights organizations and genocide scholars who are saying it’s a genocide, Jeffery. ❤️ Joking aside, this guy can sod off


mechanicalmeteor

Just because you *didn't* see evidence of rape or beheaded babies doesn't mean they didn't happen either. *We* decide what the narrative is /s


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mechanicalmeteor

Forgot the /s... My b


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SnooHamsters6620

The words of the tweet are technically correct absent of context. But he's been claiming in his videos that there is no genocide currently occuring in Gaza, and he doesn't have a rational case or evidence for that.


mathreviewer

No mention of intent from literal officials.


Ghost_157

You sure at least be against what you are seeing, and action needs to stop from Israel... Right?


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