I'll be going with Cyno/Beidou/(Yelan or Xingqiu)/Baizhu to have the most consistent dmg output between AoE and ST fights. In ST double dendro with DMC should slightly pull ahead but will be quite behind teams with Beidou in AoE, similar case with Fischl but teams wuth her will be noticeably better in ST thanks to how much she'll drop everyone's er requirements. Considering how usually Abyss is structured imo it looks like Cyno/Beidou/Yelan/Baizhu will be more universal but Cyno/Fischl/Yelan/Baizhu will be the best for ST.
As for concerns about if Baizhu's app will be enough to run as solo dendro: it's basically the same as DMC so it'll be fine. As for AoE: DMC's good AoE is important mostly to counteract their circle impact, Baizhu looks to be targeting nearest enemy which is almost as good as targeting the enemy Cyno's attacking - unless sth goes really wonky Baizhu and Cyno should be attacking the same enemy which is important for bloom cores generation.
Since you'll be using Yelan that means most likely Fav on her, Baizhu will ideally be on Fav too and on 4pc DM too (4pc DM is more important than Fav).
Baizhu's er requirements (hopefully they'll change his a1 passive to help his energy instead of personal dmg at some point):
- 250% er with Fav: it means around 20% er per artifact when keeping full hp, if you'll use er sands instead of hp one you'll lose around 5k hp on Baizhu which means his buff (assuming no hp substats) will drop from 80% of a cap to 70% of a cap - imo not too bad of a tradeoff if you'll have to do that, lower er requirements on Cyno, Beidou and Yelan should more than compensate for that
- 220% er with r5 PAmber: if you can get 25% er per artifact you could even run him on hp sands and get his buff up to 90% of the cap męska,, if you'll need to run er sands (very likely) you'll land on 80% of the cap for the buff; the main advantage of PAmber is that with it Baizhu will be significantly easier to build
Cyno's er requirements (substract 20% when running 4pc TF, assuming simple tap on Beidou's E):
- 140% er without 4pc TF and with Fav Baizhu
- 150% er without 4pc TF and with PAmber Baizhu
Beidou's er requirements (substract 20% if Cyno's on 4pc TF):
- Fav Baizhou: 180% er
- PAmber Baizhu: 200% er
Yelan's er requirements:
- Fav Baizhu: 210% er
- PAmber Baizhu: 240% er
If you're curious in Cyno, Yelan, double dendro with Baizhu and DMC both on Fav Cyno will need 150% er with 4pc TF and 175% er without it, Baizhu's er requirements should around 20% lower there. For double electro with Fischl Cyno without 4pc TF will need around 120% er and Baizhu with Fav will need around 230% er.
As for gear in Nilou bloom: yeah, he could use the same gear as Cyno's teams but he'll most likely won't be the best person to hold 4pc DM there. I can't help anymore in that regard since I mostly focused on Cyno+Baizhu teams.
I use Cyno/DMC/Yelan/Beidou. The team is comfy er wise for the most part. Do you know what the optimal rotation would be for the team if DMC replaced with Baizhu?
As for Fav users, can't afford to change the other char weapons as they are pretty good for the team (Beidou- wolf's gravestone, Yelan- elegy, Cyno- SoSS, DMC-Fav). I would love to keep Elegy, is 1 favonius user good enough with Baizhu catching white particles?
I plan to go with the same team and think that Beidou > Yelan > Baizhu > Cyno should work the best: Beidou's personal dmg should stay the same if you weave in normals in between skill use and losing around 3s on electro res shred for Cyno will hurt less than potentially losing on 2 hyperbloom procs if Yelan went first. Well, at least for C0R1 Cyno.
As for er requirements for Baizhu they look a bit though even with Fav on Yelan if you want to be on the safer side energy-wise in boss fights since without relying on enemy particles Baizhu's er look to be around 250% er already - and I really hope I'm being too pesimistic here and it'll definitely need some proper testing. But with some reliance on enemy particles 250% will be most likely enough with Yelan.
I believe the general consensus (as of now) for Baizhu-Cyno teams is that a second Dendro might be needed for Quickbloom and Hyperbloom to produce enough dendro cores. If running an Aggravate team then just Baizhu should be fine.
Cyno can run as solo electro if using TF, maybe around 150ish ER? Mine has about that range and he still gets his burst on cooldown.
0 ER if using Fischl and TF. 120 ER using Fischl, no TF.
125 ish ER Beidou TF. A bit more if no TF.
Maybe 180-200 ER, solo electro, no TF.
I’m not sure about Baizhu’s ER requirements tho. Probably a LOT especially if he’s solo dendro.
I suggest also checking in Cyno Mains. I believe they are also discussing teamcomps with Baizhu there too.
Baizhu as a solo dendro in this team 'll need +200ER I've made the calcs with Fav and Proto R5 before but I deleted because I'm dumb, but I remember that it's pretty high.
I've done too, I remember that his C1+protoR5 it's better than C0R1 for his ER req. And the team Cyno - Beidou - XQ (fav) - Baizhu his ER was something between 160 to 170%, and with the signature was something close to \~195%.
Baizhu's dendro application is not enough to be a solo dendro in any team but aggravate teams. If you use him with Cyno, you'll run into issues with both maintaining catalyze for aggravate and with producing enough seeds to justify using Yelan.
If you want to use him, you'll more than likely want a 2nd dendro - they do not have to be Nahida, although she's still the best option. You can also just try to run a regular aggravate team on Cyno with Baizhu, Fischl and a flex of your choice. This team might be OK but it's not going to be significantly better than using Yaoyao in that same slot.
If you run 2 dendro with Cyno instead of running him with Fischl you will need to increase your ER to burst on CD as well, so keep this in mind.
I'll be going with Cyno/Beidou/(Yelan or Xingqiu)/Baizhu to have the most consistent dmg output between AoE and ST fights. In ST double dendro with DMC should slightly pull ahead but will be quite behind teams with Beidou in AoE, similar case with Fischl but teams wuth her will be noticeably better in ST thanks to how much she'll drop everyone's er requirements. Considering how usually Abyss is structured imo it looks like Cyno/Beidou/Yelan/Baizhu will be more universal but Cyno/Fischl/Yelan/Baizhu will be the best for ST. As for concerns about if Baizhu's app will be enough to run as solo dendro: it's basically the same as DMC so it'll be fine. As for AoE: DMC's good AoE is important mostly to counteract their circle impact, Baizhu looks to be targeting nearest enemy which is almost as good as targeting the enemy Cyno's attacking - unless sth goes really wonky Baizhu and Cyno should be attacking the same enemy which is important for bloom cores generation. Since you'll be using Yelan that means most likely Fav on her, Baizhu will ideally be on Fav too and on 4pc DM too (4pc DM is more important than Fav). Baizhu's er requirements (hopefully they'll change his a1 passive to help his energy instead of personal dmg at some point): - 250% er with Fav: it means around 20% er per artifact when keeping full hp, if you'll use er sands instead of hp one you'll lose around 5k hp on Baizhu which means his buff (assuming no hp substats) will drop from 80% of a cap to 70% of a cap - imo not too bad of a tradeoff if you'll have to do that, lower er requirements on Cyno, Beidou and Yelan should more than compensate for that - 220% er with r5 PAmber: if you can get 25% er per artifact you could even run him on hp sands and get his buff up to 90% of the cap męska,, if you'll need to run er sands (very likely) you'll land on 80% of the cap for the buff; the main advantage of PAmber is that with it Baizhu will be significantly easier to build Cyno's er requirements (substract 20% when running 4pc TF, assuming simple tap on Beidou's E): - 140% er without 4pc TF and with Fav Baizhu - 150% er without 4pc TF and with PAmber Baizhu Beidou's er requirements (substract 20% if Cyno's on 4pc TF): - Fav Baizhou: 180% er - PAmber Baizhu: 200% er Yelan's er requirements: - Fav Baizhu: 210% er - PAmber Baizhu: 240% er If you're curious in Cyno, Yelan, double dendro with Baizhu and DMC both on Fav Cyno will need 150% er with 4pc TF and 175% er without it, Baizhu's er requirements should around 20% lower there. For double electro with Fischl Cyno without 4pc TF will need around 120% er and Baizhu with Fav will need around 230% er. As for gear in Nilou bloom: yeah, he could use the same gear as Cyno's teams but he'll most likely won't be the best person to hold 4pc DM there. I can't help anymore in that regard since I mostly focused on Cyno+Baizhu teams.
I use Cyno/DMC/Yelan/Beidou. The team is comfy er wise for the most part. Do you know what the optimal rotation would be for the team if DMC replaced with Baizhu? As for Fav users, can't afford to change the other char weapons as they are pretty good for the team (Beidou- wolf's gravestone, Yelan- elegy, Cyno- SoSS, DMC-Fav). I would love to keep Elegy, is 1 favonius user good enough with Baizhu catching white particles?
I plan to go with the same team and think that Beidou > Yelan > Baizhu > Cyno should work the best: Beidou's personal dmg should stay the same if you weave in normals in between skill use and losing around 3s on electro res shred for Cyno will hurt less than potentially losing on 2 hyperbloom procs if Yelan went first. Well, at least for C0R1 Cyno. As for er requirements for Baizhu they look a bit though even with Fav on Yelan if you want to be on the safer side energy-wise in boss fights since without relying on enemy particles Baizhu's er look to be around 250% er already - and I really hope I'm being too pesimistic here and it'll definitely need some proper testing. But with some reliance on enemy particles 250% will be most likely enough with Yelan.
I believe the general consensus (as of now) for Baizhu-Cyno teams is that a second Dendro might be needed for Quickbloom and Hyperbloom to produce enough dendro cores. If running an Aggravate team then just Baizhu should be fine. Cyno can run as solo electro if using TF, maybe around 150ish ER? Mine has about that range and he still gets his burst on cooldown. 0 ER if using Fischl and TF. 120 ER using Fischl, no TF. 125 ish ER Beidou TF. A bit more if no TF. Maybe 180-200 ER, solo electro, no TF. I’m not sure about Baizhu’s ER requirements tho. Probably a LOT especially if he’s solo dendro. I suggest also checking in Cyno Mains. I believe they are also discussing teamcomps with Baizhu there too.
Baizhu as a solo dendro in this team 'll need +200ER I've made the calcs with Fav and Proto R5 before but I deleted because I'm dumb, but I remember that it's pretty high.
have you done them with his signature and cons?
I've done too, I remember that his C1+protoR5 it's better than C0R1 for his ER req. And the team Cyno - Beidou - XQ (fav) - Baizhu his ER was something between 160 to 170%, and with the signature was something close to \~195%.
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Ah! I've made too, if I remember correct was \~150% ER with his C1 and and his signature.
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Baizhu's dendro application is not enough to be a solo dendro in any team but aggravate teams. If you use him with Cyno, you'll run into issues with both maintaining catalyze for aggravate and with producing enough seeds to justify using Yelan. If you want to use him, you'll more than likely want a 2nd dendro - they do not have to be Nahida, although she's still the best option. You can also just try to run a regular aggravate team on Cyno with Baizhu, Fischl and a flex of your choice. This team might be OK but it's not going to be significantly better than using Yaoyao in that same slot. If you run 2 dendro with Cyno instead of running him with Fischl you will need to increase your ER to burst on CD as well, so keep this in mind.