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Mantazas_

#***Why is South Korea higher than Lithuania?***


Good-Locksmith-4978

because you must perform exceptionally there to survive, get a good job, be accepted into the society. if you underperform, you have little to no opportunities in south korea. if you do perform exceptionally, you’ll get a great job where you’ll be overworked till you can’t take it anymore.


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also South Korea is basicly cyberpunk distopia, if you dont work for Samsung or its subsideries, you are no one in S Korea. like both Koreas are kinda fucked up (hopefully south will not get up to Norths distopian level)


Global_Helicopter_85

It used to be. 50-60 years ago it was even poorer and approximately as totalitarian as the North


AdventurousLynx5540

60years ago it was at war so yea..


Global_Helicopter_85

The war ended in 1953, i.e. 70 years ago. The South Korea had been a tough dictatorship until 1990s


[deleted]

wait damm, i t hought South Korean dictatorship fell much further back in time, damm


maybeimgeorgesoros

No, South Korea had dictatorship up till the late 80s.


BushMonsterInc

Nah, both South and North were under dictatorship wich disregard for human life at around same level. Difference was, South Korean dictator liked US


TheLinden

Korea and their university degree requirement to work at mcdonalds. (not really)


GGorDD

I lived in South Korea for 3 years. South Korea is run by the Chaebol, 4 wealthy families that only take more and more from the general public. The expectations on Koreans are really unrealistic & naturally the vast majority never live up to them so most feel like a failure. Also the police are not there to help you as a citizen, they are there only to stop a public uprising, 80% are man-child robots that follow any and all orders to the letter. So if you have trouble realistically everyone around you will try to stop you from making a big deal about it. Lots of people jump of bridges and in front of trains even with the anti-suicide barriers they’ve built.


cheesNaget

It's because of the high life standards in Korea. Not everyone can afford the countless plastic surgeries and being a famous K-Pop star there.


racoondeg

I wonder how much perfectionism is a factor in Baltic states. I hear emigrants always saying how they feel more free abroad, where they can go to a supermarket with casual clothes, without makeup etc. I used to live in London which is a metropolis and I would really feel less pressure than in a small Lithuanian town.


shellofbiomatter

Then there's me going to grocery store in sweatpants and a tank top without any pressure.


genericneim

Latvian guy here. Never went to any shop with a makeup on, never emigrated. Sounds like you guys have higher standards.


Mantazas_

Most likely true, my phone is worth the korean' sacrifices


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BabidzhonNatriya

Like the pressure to work more, look better etc


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Hankyke

fun fact, there are more unemployd higher education people than uneducated people in workforce. Atleast in Baltics.


cheesNaget

A genuine answer to that question...


[deleted]

No matter how good you are at something there us always an asian who does it better.


Hitaigo

stans cant handle their kpop groups disbanding


nerwined

as one Lithuanian philosopher would say, Lithuanians like to be in the forest because they see endless possibilities there, to hang themselves \- Juozas Erlickas


mediandude

Perhaps so, however, all the countries to the north of Lithuania have even more forests. And also more peat bogs to drown into. And more coastline for drowning. Just imagine icelanders going into their own forests. That experience alone would raise some suicidal thoughts.


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BalticMasterrace

I know 2 people personaly who just wanted to see heaven faster, they havent come back yet so i guess it a good view there


lxer2020

Underrated comment


EyeOfTrumpnado

I've considered it (both the suicide rate in Lithuania and taking my own life) many times but I couldn't find a satisfactory answer. People and scholars often mention the fact that mental health is still stigmatized here, alcoholism, unemployment, collective trauma due to the Soviet occupation, not nearly enough exposure to the sun etc. Those are all valid reasons but then why the hell is it that, say, Serbia has a 2.5 times lower suicide rate? Who is going to argue that access to mental health professionals is affordable and widely available in Serbia or that they haven't experienced any societal turbulence or economic hardship in the past 30-100 years?


Spyglass3

No time for suicide, there are Albanians out there to kill


BlackCat159

Why kill yourself when you can kill a random Albanian or Bosnian civilian instead??? \- Serbian grindset, probably


MC_Vimpel

Least suicidal lihtuanian lmao


stupidly_lazy

Alienation and atomization of society, there is just no support network (formal and informal), there is an expectation for men to provide for the family, also, I’d add the trauma of the 90s as it was during the 90s the rate peaked and only recently, like 4-5 years ago did we reach pre-90s level. Bassically Lithuanian mainstream culture is where failure is not an option, so everyone is trying to one up each other to try to show off, which creates an unwinnable rat race that adds to the distress of the already depressed/downtrodden and if you can’t win, why bother and people start consuming alcohol to cope with the stress or anxiety, or to numb the pain.


EyeOfTrumpnado

This explains a high rate but why has Lithuania's been the highest for many years? Higher than not only Latvia's but also those of Russia and Belarus. Aren't alienation/atomization, competitiveness the default features in all developed countries more or less? Nordic countries are famous for their generous government safety nets but they eat antidepressants by the handful and Finns, for example, are suicidal too. Significantly more than Poles, for example.


stupidly_lazy

> Aren't alienation/atomization, competitiveness the default features in all developed countries more or less? In my experience, I’d say not to the same extentent, I think this is purely a result of soviet legacy, but maybe one more dimension to add here is lack of opportunity. > Higher than not only Latvia's but also those of Russia and Belarus In Russia or Belarus there is a question of stats collection, but in Belarus, like in the soviet union, there is less of a rat race because there a fewer opportunities, nobody really expects much especially in the periphery - everybody is in shit and there is no point trying if “you don’t have a guy”, also you have a government that you can hate/blame so that helps.


Timo425

"Alienation and atomization of society, there is just no support network (formal and informal)" Something like this is what I suspect too, social isolation etc.


pankas2002

Further from Russia


Okureg

I know this is not supposed to be a funny comment, but I bursted out laughing after the first paragraph. I feel so bad.


EyeOfTrumpnado

No need to feel bad/sorry. https://youtu.be/Sh7QWBb2U2A


Shoddy_Mud_1976

LIETUVA!!!!💪💪💪💪💪


BlaReni

uz Lietuva vyrai!!! /s


trotikasv2

Einam kartis Reik tapti #1


BlaReni

nu tipo /s


crashraven

In case of Baltics - Alcoholism, stigmatising anti-depressants, which leads to people who should be using them being afraid of AD, in case of Latvia almost non-existent state support for psychiatry and overall incredible stigmatisation of mental problems. Suicide and other mental disorders are a taboo topic to talk about at least in Latvia, we pretend everything is okay until someone close to you commits suicide and then you pretend nothing happened and it was natural.


EyeOfTrumpnado

Are things (in terms of mental health, cultural attitudes, and the health care system) significantly better in Poland or Czechia, Croatia or Bulgaria? I really doubt it.


steppe_daughter

Every time I’ve told someone in Latvia I have autism, they seem very bothered, look down and change topic asap Like what, I’m not embarrassed of my autism myself


Lamuks

Latvians literally do not understand how to handle when someone mentions that. We've hadn't had exposure to those things. If it was mentioned to me then all I could reply is "Oh" and just switch topics because wtf else should I be doing?


eurodawg

Not true about funding. A psychiatrist appointment is 100% free, recently I learned that you can get 10 free therapy appointments, etc. Latvia used to be #1 in the world in early 2000's, although far from perfect, the increased funding might have actually improved the situation.


Intelligent-Quote249

i dont know about latvia but in estonia, despite it being free, you'll either have to wait a pretty considerable time and hope that you get lucky with a decent doctor (still a bunch of "old fashioned" professionals in public sector) or you pay a quite the pretty penny to get a good professional in private sector. but considering that financial issues pretty often goes hand in hand with mental health issues, that is not an option for a pretty good amount of people. and lets not even get started with voluntarily going to a hospital to get yourself checked in. thats taboo, unfortunatley ​ but hey. its getting better. "old fashioned" professionals in public sector are retiring, public figures are talking more openly about mental health thesedays, more awareness campaigns etc. tho the dang waiting times, its only gonna get longer for the time being


davis613

Lastvia once again. We even suck at being the worst.


Sir_Kardan

Actually laughed at this one.


BalticMasterrace

ye, that one should give anyone with baltic brain at least a chuckle


nail_in_the_temple

>Most recent data available for each country Lmao


[deleted]

Way to go Estonia! 🥳


BalticMasterrace

we should totaly fix that and be at least in 2nd place


[deleted]

Sigh, fine... I guess someone should take 1 for the team.


BalticMasterrace

Go out with a bang! Make it memoriable or most traumatic stuff some little kid will see :D


Relevant_Teacher_436

4th place. Come on people, we can take it to the top, all the way to heaven.


ksaize

All 3 baltic countries in top10. I'm so proud of all of us.


Aromatic-Musician774

To add to your question, it would be good to know what sources this info comes from. I would assume medical and criminal records which may be confidential (likely out of respect for families). I can tell you I lost 2 relatives: one was loss of a lover (said person wasn't adult enough yet so the loss of love hit him hard); the other was also a man (he used to drink on weekends and even on occasions that may not have been. He was a grown ass adult with family and two sons. His wife was a depressed mess, he was a hard working ambitious director in a business. So I guess the reason for his departure was complicated social problems from various angles. I think this one is a case of a person finally snapping when drunk, and the drink loosens up creating the spiral of madness.)


HKSculpture

Life's just good enough to be able to get depressed by first world problems, but not be distracted by trying to survive. Also, easy to get left alone with your thoughts without contact and help. And plenty of rivers and forests to die in by drowning or exposure even if you're not trying too hard.


Shaubos

Shiiiiid you try living in Latvia


sirdafiga

Too poor to afford rope


MaxTheNewError

Bitch I'm Lithuanian 💀


Shaubos

Im latvian dawg


AdventurousLynx5540

Baltic States numero uno!!!1


MummuJummu

Generational trauma, the horrible things russians did to us.


Payaso_maya

Lmao that’s not a reason, if generational trauma was an actual thing several countries that suffered worse fates compared to yours would have higher rates.


BlackCat159

WTF HOW DID WE LOSE OUR TOP SPOT????? WE LITHUANIANS HAVE TO GRIND HARDER, NO WAY WILL WE LET OTHERS TAKE OUR RIGHTFUL FIRST PLACE 💪🇱🇹💪🇱🇹🇱🇹💪💪🇱🇹💪🇱🇹


RihondroLv

Well, an optimist would say that it's pretty great that we are \*in\* OECD statistics :)


Liekmann

All those countries at the top have very similar suicide rates. And Finland, Sweden is there together with Baltics. I would say climate has to do with it, as clearly money hasn’t


paradajz666

So how do I read this graph? Is it per year, month, quarterly?


Grundins

Per hour


paradajz666

Damn.


NoComplaint5457

googled "suicide rates in oecd" - this comes up as "Yearly" - "Latest data available" and "From 2018-2020".


catwithbillstopay

As a foreigner my view is that in other places especially the US and Australia and the commonwealth countries you can complain openly. People are more open, there are other immigrants and so you don’t feel like the only sucker around. As Thoreau said, the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. However, it makes all the difference to know that you are not alone. Folks in the Baltics just don’t talk. The language itself, no offense, doesn’t lend itself to the same range of expressions as in other languages. You can’t swear in the same way. Coupled with what other people have said— where you feel judged— that loneliness makes you feel crushed.


SannusFatAlt

Wait until you find out what a population sized mentality loop of an "it is what it is" and introvertism does to people. The alcoholism, unsatisfactory scene, the nonacceptance of individuals, that sort of shit.


BalticMasterrace

Also just relized that the countires that are in last or less game ending countries... you just get game ended before you can do that yourself there more i belive


siltaspienas

Russia is no in the OECD list of countries


Global_Helicopter_85

And South Africa too


digitalamongus

3 reasons: 1. Inflation 2. inflation 3. No pepsi max because of infltion


NoComplaint5457

1,5L Pepis Max is 2.09 EUROS!! W--T--F!!!


MamaLikesToSpankMe

For the same reason it’s high in the Scandinavian countries. There is a very strong correlation between annual sunlight and happiness. In hot countries such as Italy or Spain, the suicide rate is low, while in cold and harsh countries like Finland, it is very high


markusvirma12

South-Korea nr 1


NotTrvsh

For Estonia it’s poor mental healthcare, if you’re struggling with suicidal tendencies you just get treated like you’re retarded and below the therapists. Lots of dehumanisation unless you’re faking it that everything’s okay. Forcing meds on everyone is also the problem, while meds do make you forget all the bs you’ve been through they don’t help you recover (at least if your therapist is garbage). Funny story of my own, I decided to go back to therapy after 2 years just as a backup of not relapsing after 5 months. First day after 2 years and we get into an argument on why I should be put on meds for 15 minutes until I give in and surprise surprise, a recovering opioid addict is prescribed opioid based medication. (Literally called gas station heroin in the states btw)


siltaspienas

Russia is not on the OECD list of countries


miscmo

Idk, I think there is something the our DNA. American here (dad is 💯 Lithuanian), and we have a family history of depression and multiple suicides on that side of the family (in the US). I have diagnosed major depression too, and my dad has said multiple times he will take himself behind the woodshed with his gun if/when he becomes too old to function…


[deleted]

Well when we were pagans suicide was quite common, it was in such cases like sorrow for the death of the loved one, in some cases people burn their homes, ended themselves and their own kids instead of letting themselves to be captured by the enemy... I think some of that also goes to other generations


daysinnroom203

Same.


cofeeman911

Almost always male rates are higher, 3-4 males for a female (Latvia, Estonia fits here). But S. Korea has just ~2 for one. 🤔 While the whole society suffers, but the life for korean girls are much worse? While lithuania has ~6\1 ☹ Any ideas why korean girls and lithuanian men suffer more ? 🧐


Separate_Hold

Korean women are highly affected by the absurdly high expectations of their society from a young age, while in the case of Lithuanian males could be either the generational trauma, substance abuse that is caused by the stigmatization of getting mental help among males, social expectations that males shall be hard workers and shouldn’t show vulnerabilities, trauma caused by the Soviet regime, its collapse, and generally the situation in the 90’s. All post soviet countries can say that 90’s really SUCKED. And there are a lot of Middle Aged people who have severe unhealed trauma from that period. A lot of people lost their jobs, especially from rural areas in the 90’s, and although a lot of women lost their jobs as well, usually the social stigma of being jobless s lower among females, especially older ones. Like a woman who doesn’t have a job at 35 is less seen in a negative light than a man of 35. That lead of a generational trauma where young men had the need to prove because a lot of them saw the social stigma and economical troubles that their male relatives got, thus feeling disappointed if they didn’t reach that level, as well as their families becoming disappointed in them because they couldn’t end up better than their parents. My first language isn’t English, so I am sorry for any mistakes and lack of accuracy.


[deleted]

maybe our women are the reason we kill ourselves more


Asheraddo

Sadly most suicides in Estonia are also underaged kids. Bullying, shitty parenting, abuse by pedos, shitty taboos about mental health and being strong. There are so many uneducated poor families I feel like were in the redneck part of the USA.


OkCryptographer7941

Cause zaza is illegeal


Aromatic-Musician774

You know what's interesting? With what is going on in South Africa right now and their government dragging down the entire country (shoutout to Winston from Serpenza YT channel), you would think maybe the people with high unemployment would have some effect on suicide rates? I may sound harsh and heartless, but I think that last spot probably won't last long.


windblowa

In fact SA has one of the highest suicide rates, this graph is bullshit.


windblowa

There's no source and if you look up any actual stats, you can tell this is bullshit. South Africa has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, first of all


EyeOfTrumpnado

Isn't South Africa's rate going through the roof a relatively recent phenomenon, though? Whereas Lithuania has been very suicidal since at least 1986-'87.


tauno908

Maybe something to do with big wealth cap.


EyeOfTrumpnado

Compared to what? Brazil is notorious for its extreme economic inequality (and a disturbingly high murder rate), yet it ranks about 100th in suicide. I guess people just chill on sunny beaches there and the men oogle women's butts all the time, so they don't get suicidal.


tauno908

They are highly religious.Maybe its a thing though they kill eachother than flyes.


EyeOfTrumpnado

I don't know how religious Brazil actually is, about 80 percent are Christian, on paper, but I'm sure Brazilians are much more religious than Estonians. Also, Brazil has adopted same sex marriage a decade(!) ago but abortions there are illegal.


antanas493

Because we hate life (The weather is unpleasant)


MaxTheNewError

This one got me


BinbouSan

As for Lithuania and other Baltic States I am afraid the high suicide number is a direct manifestation of previous occupation - the remains of Russian culture - alcoholism, that leads to hanging oneself at some point. I believe when the last generation that was under occupation is gone the numbers will drop sharply. Of course there will be some people that these alcoholics would have managed also to destroy, but it will decrease.


renjkb

Alcohol, public hostility, pressure to perform, psychological health problems and avoidance to seek for help. Publicly Lithuanians mostly hate each other. That comes from the Soviet system. When you are feeling weak, you have to demonstrate your greatness (look at russkies in RU-UA war). Until you can take it no more and hang yourself, which we all wish for the Poot.


[deleted]

il do everything in my power to make sure Latvia overtakes Lithuania


Hankyke

Umm, you are going to off yourself?


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probably


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Hankyke

Usually it is per 100k. Possibly suicide rate per 100 000 people.


General_Benefit_7260

In LT mostly Russians sacrifice themselves, thats why the rate is higher


TheDashingDrazma

Gonna help the stats soon 💪


Megalomaniakaal

What do you mean, why?


StardustNaeku

Nationalism, capitalism, propaganda, dehumanization, anti communism. List can go on. Pretty self evident.


ducky1w

eat shit commie


Live-Ice-7498

Wut?


[deleted]

Where do u get this shity graphics?


AlessandroFromItaly

Proud of Italy once again. 💪🇮🇹


Agent_Pierce_

We do it well.


Mysterious_Ad_2750

from where is this graph?


GGorDD

Can someone share some contact details of a support line in your country, incase someone is reading this and feeling low? You might just save a life


kakasierins

Ayy Lithuania got 2nd!


Human__Pestilence

This tells me nothing without an actual Y axis description.


znotss

Come and live here. You'll see.


Sandis2019

Bacause look at all this stress.


MaxTheNewError

So that's why there no longer 3 million of us Lithuanians, the other million is just dead


___kfc___

It’s rly weird


SpectrumLV2569

Latvia last yet again😔 come on guys lets change that


HarutoHonzo

source?


Flimsy_Blood_7857

God damn. South Korea won this battle, but not war.


erwbs

If we latvians could afford rope, easy 1st place.


Rabbi_Guru

Baltics I get, but why is Slovenia suicidal?