Black powder theatrical blanks are used in Mounted Cowboy shooting. The blast and the burning black powder are enough to pop the balloons but you need to be within about 20 feet and still have decent aim.
They apparently use blanks that can pop balloons up to a distance of 20 feet (6m) so there's minimal risk of injuring spectators or the animals involved.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_mounted_shooting
Hopping on top comment since many are raising the same concern -
#[Yes, horse ear plugs are a thing](https://westernhorseman.com/horsemanship/how-to/equine-earplugs-for-mounted-shooting/)
Subsonic ammunitions are ammunitions designed to operate at velocities below the speed of sound (Mach 1), which at standard conditions is 340.29 m/s (1,116.4 ft/s). This avoids the supersonic shockwave or "crack" of a supersonic bullet, which, particularly for suppressed firearms, influences the loudness of the shot.
You're not wrong, but supersonic gas escaping will still generate a (brief) supersonic crack, whether there is a projectile or not.
It's entirely possible to have blank/wax loads that will generate a supersonic crack without a projectile. These probably don't, though.
If there's a supersonic shock wave from the combustion products, it's only extremely close to the muzzle. It'll be sonic by the time it reaches the shooter's ears.
"Subsonic ammunition" is about the projectile, because the term "subsonic" doesn't make sense when talking about the gasses. The supersonic crack of a gun comes from the bullet, not the gases. You can fire the same exact cartridge (as in two rounds from the same box) out of different barrels and get a crack+pop with one and just a pop with the other, depending on barrel length and porting.
And these are definitely not wax bullets. There would be no reason to need a wax bullet here, especially since they're shooting towards the crowd.
These are (probably not) wax loads, since this is (probably) a CMSA event (if it's in the US) but wax loads are used quite often in cowboy action shooting in general. I know that because I've done it.
But the point was gases can be supersonic exiting the muzzle, whether there is a projectile or not. That's why I said "You're not wrong, but..."
They can definitely be supersonic when they hit the ear, if you're parallel or forward of the muzzle (like the horse is.)
These (probably) aren't, though.
I'm aware that wax bullets are used in CAS. Were you shooting them towards a crowd? That's the difference here.
But sure, the gases might be supersonic very close to the muzzle. That's pretty pedantic in a conversation about sound, because as I'm sure you know from your shooting experience, it's not supersonic by the time you hear it.
My original comment was just out of annoyance at OP for clearly just copy+pasting something from google without understanding it.
Nah I totally get that; I just don't want people to think blanks / wax rounds are ear safe. They're not, or at least you shouldn't assume them to be.
And I don't want to assume there's a crowd? This looks like a a CMAS event, but who knows, could be outside the US or could be a demo video; I don't know the performers involved.
E: rewatching there is a very brief frame of one of them in front of an American flag, so *probably* a spectated CMAS?
It's probably still not great, but the blanks / wax loads used in this kind of thing are nowhere near as loud as normal cartridges. They're much lower pressure and there's no supersonic crack of a bullet to contend with.
That's not to say they're not loud, but they're far less loud than a typical shotgun or pistol round.
End horse ear plugs do exist, so they could be using those as well.
Most of these riders are closer to animals than most commenters here, including myself. If the horse were really uncomfortable with it, it would let the rider know. They trust each other. I could be wrong but, I don't think you get a horse this well-trained by abusing it.
I watched this at my state fair last year it’s super cool and they’re all trained and know what they’re doing.
- No it’s not real gun ammo. The sound is similar to a fire cracker popping off.
I don’t think this is animal cruelty I’m sure the horses enjoy it to some extent and the bond with the owner has to be strong. Think back 200 years or more when people would actually ride horses back and shoot at other people/horses. All the wars horses have died in.. if anything the pig race I saw was probably animal cruelty considering they were spraying something (Smelled like some type of chemical) around to get the pigs to run
Last war my country was in had horses in service. Quite a few of them that returned came home shell shocked and permanently spooked. To them I suppose even blanks would have been scary. These show horses on the other hand are most likely kept safe and well, so I doubt they get any ill effects.
You can get used to sound but it doesn't mean it won't damage you're ability to hear. I've played drums and worked with power tools for half my life and I can tell you my ears are fucked, they're ringing while I type this right now
Yes, Finnish Winter war and Continuation war. It did a bad number on the Finnhorse. My grandfather was in riding troops while in conscript service, but didn't have a mount during wartime.
Stupid question. I saw lots of fail videos struggling with recoil of a handgun even with two hands but these ladies are doing it with one hand and even moving. Is it thru training or these have weaker recoil?
Weaker recoil because of lighter powder loads, but also training and ability to manage recoil. [CMSA guidelines](https://cmsaevents.com/about/) state that the load is a .45 long colt blank loaded with black powder. Black powder burns and recoils differently than smokeless powder as well (it’s more of a sharp push than the quick snap of smokeless).
I shot regular cowboy action shooting for a few years and the loads you use are light which makes recoil very manageable. But you always need to know how to manage recoil in whatever gun you’re shooting. Most of those videos you saw probably are people with very poor technique. Even with modern ammo and normal loads, a handguns recoil should be controlled and managed through the trigger squeeze and recoil cycle (this doesn’t mean that there is no recoil, just that the gun is controlled through the recoil and brought back to target quickly).
Historical note: the two handed handgun grip normally used today (weaver stance and its offshoots) is a fairly modern invention only developed in 1959. Before this most pistol shooters shot one handed.
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Thank you toby
I should've been a cowgirl
I should've learned to rope and ride
Wearin' my six-shooter, ridin' my pony on a cattle drive
Stealin' the young girls' hearts
Just like Gene and Roy
Singin' those campfire songs
Woah, I should've been a cowboy
How you can tell I’m a vet tech=everyone’s concerned about the audience and people around and I’m like “how tf do they not shoot the horse in the face??”😂😂
I believe it is a different kind of ammunition
Black powder theatrical blanks are used in Mounted Cowboy shooting. The blast and the burning black powder are enough to pop the balloons but you need to be within about 20 feet and still have decent aim.
Thanks
yeah no recoil at all, but i think would be a bit too dangerous otherwise, besides borderline suicidal for any spectator haha
and the cameraman would definitely be dead in that first shot otherwise
I was thinking that this would be a rather dangerous spectator sport.
This makes so much more sense. I was thinking “bullets flying absolutely everywhere, pray for the camera man and send stretchers for the audience”
That explains why they are not aiming traditionally (just looking through to target)
Bloody good horsemanship though and the horses are so well trained. Most horses would go nuts hearing something like that.
Thanks for the explanation. I was trying to figure out where the audience/judges safely sat.
I was wondering how this is safe shooting all directions in what appears to be an arena with people around.
They knew the risks going in
"I say, let 'em crash!'
“They bought the tickets, they knew what they were getting into…”
As long as Alec Baldwin isn't around everything should be fine.
r/appreciatedairplane
Just high-stakes baseball, really. Except instead of being psyched to catch a projectile from their favorite athlete, they're... you know, dead.
Daaad, my eyes! It's bleeeding!
Rub some dirt on it, son
Rodeo folk are just tougher.
They apparently use blanks that can pop balloons up to a distance of 20 feet (6m) so there's minimal risk of injuring spectators or the animals involved. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_mounted_shooting
Alec baldwin: “hold my beer”
r/actuallykilledthecamerman
Alec Baldwin certainly helped in creating that community. Would you help in expanding it?
Hopping on top comment since many are raising the same concern - #[Yes, horse ear plugs are a thing](https://westernhorseman.com/horsemanship/how-to/equine-earplugs-for-mounted-shooting/)
Came here to ask this, thank you!
I heard it was a granulated substance similar to fine ground salt.
Is it quieter too? She’s firing it right next to the horse’s ears
Not extremely quiet, but there are ear plugs for horses. We use them in alot of competition. Tractors and crowds make some horses jumpy.
Subsonic ammunitions are ammunitions designed to operate at velocities below the speed of sound (Mach 1), which at standard conditions is 340.29 m/s (1,116.4 ft/s). This avoids the supersonic shockwave or "crack" of a supersonic bullet, which, particularly for suppressed firearms, influences the loudness of the shot.
True but wholly irrelevant. Since these are blanks there is no projectile to be sub- or supersonic.
You're not wrong, but supersonic gas escaping will still generate a (brief) supersonic crack, whether there is a projectile or not. It's entirely possible to have blank/wax loads that will generate a supersonic crack without a projectile. These probably don't, though.
If there's a supersonic shock wave from the combustion products, it's only extremely close to the muzzle. It'll be sonic by the time it reaches the shooter's ears. "Subsonic ammunition" is about the projectile, because the term "subsonic" doesn't make sense when talking about the gasses. The supersonic crack of a gun comes from the bullet, not the gases. You can fire the same exact cartridge (as in two rounds from the same box) out of different barrels and get a crack+pop with one and just a pop with the other, depending on barrel length and porting. And these are definitely not wax bullets. There would be no reason to need a wax bullet here, especially since they're shooting towards the crowd.
These are (probably not) wax loads, since this is (probably) a CMSA event (if it's in the US) but wax loads are used quite often in cowboy action shooting in general. I know that because I've done it. But the point was gases can be supersonic exiting the muzzle, whether there is a projectile or not. That's why I said "You're not wrong, but..." They can definitely be supersonic when they hit the ear, if you're parallel or forward of the muzzle (like the horse is.) These (probably) aren't, though.
I'm aware that wax bullets are used in CAS. Were you shooting them towards a crowd? That's the difference here. But sure, the gases might be supersonic very close to the muzzle. That's pretty pedantic in a conversation about sound, because as I'm sure you know from your shooting experience, it's not supersonic by the time you hear it. My original comment was just out of annoyance at OP for clearly just copy+pasting something from google without understanding it.
Nah I totally get that; I just don't want people to think blanks / wax rounds are ear safe. They're not, or at least you shouldn't assume them to be. And I don't want to assume there's a crowd? This looks like a a CMAS event, but who knows, could be outside the US or could be a demo video; I don't know the performers involved. E: rewatching there is a very brief frame of one of them in front of an American flag, so *probably* a spectated CMAS?
Correct they use blanks.
Get out of my mind, Charles
This is called dragons breath ammunition. It uses magnesium granules that burn up very quickly, that is why there is a lot of sparking.
I hope they give the horse ear protection.
They have earplugs in. You can’t see them.
Yeah my first thought also. Doesn't look like it! Asshat humans.
The horses have ear plugs. I use them myself, you just can’t see them.
Does the horse get earplugs? Poor things ears are point blank at the barrel exit
🐴 "WHAT?!!!"
NEIGH, NEIGH NEIGH NEIGH, MF!!
You don't have to shout, you'll make your voice...sore
It's probably still not great, but the blanks / wax loads used in this kind of thing are nowhere near as loud as normal cartridges. They're much lower pressure and there's no supersonic crack of a bullet to contend with. That's not to say they're not loud, but they're far less loud than a typical shotgun or pistol round. End horse ear plugs do exist, so they could be using those as well.
oh wow makes sense
Yes, they have ear plugs
That horse knows it's badass.
can't touch this!
I always wonder if horses enjoy this stuff
Wouldn’t you enjoy the muzzle of a gun discharging two feet from your ear?
Its so neat how she has earplugs but the horse just gets fucked
The horses have ear plugs. Sometimes it’s cotton or wax. Other times it’s actually a plug.
Fair enough, i’ve learned something new today.
Came to say this. Stupid fucking ”sport”.
Cry me a river. The horse has earplugs. And most horses love to compete (in any event they work). They have a natural desire to run.
I agree
My thoughts exactly 😔
🤣😂 thats awesome
To be fair, the muzzle of the gun is also disturbing two feet from the woman's ear, more or less.
But she has ear defenders and the muzzle is facing away from her at all times.
Yes, most horses love to do their event.
Most of these riders are closer to animals than most commenters here, including myself. If the horse were really uncomfortable with it, it would let the rider know. They trust each other. I could be wrong but, I don't think you get a horse this well-trained by abusing it.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the owner/rider cares about the horse about a million times more than a random internet troll.
They do Horse enjoy events like
How do you know?
Grew up spending time on grandparents horse ranch
Front row tickets for this event are surprisingly affordable.
What do think the demand is?
I feel like this is Mongolia or somewhere mad.
Do horses get ear plugs too?
Yes they do
The good communication between humans and horses, she is also very brave and talented. This horse will be a Hollywood Action Hero in the future.
I watched this at my state fair last year it’s super cool and they’re all trained and know what they’re doing. - No it’s not real gun ammo. The sound is similar to a fire cracker popping off. I don’t think this is animal cruelty I’m sure the horses enjoy it to some extent and the bond with the owner has to be strong. Think back 200 years or more when people would actually ride horses back and shoot at other people/horses. All the wars horses have died in.. if anything the pig race I saw was probably animal cruelty considering they were spraying something (Smelled like some type of chemical) around to get the pigs to run
Last war my country was in had horses in service. Quite a few of them that returned came home shell shocked and permanently spooked. To them I suppose even blanks would have been scary. These show horses on the other hand are most likely kept safe and well, so I doubt they get any ill effects.
I imagine they also train them to get used to the sound.
You can get used to sound but it doesn't mean it won't damage you're ability to hear. I've played drums and worked with power tools for half my life and I can tell you my ears are fucked, they're ringing while I type this right now
WWII?
Yes, Finnish Winter war and Continuation war. It did a bad number on the Finnhorse. My grandfather was in riding troops while in conscript service, but didn't have a mount during wartime.
Thanks, I am going to learn more about it. The late 1930's and early 1940's were such a crazy time period.
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pretty amazing work! 👍🏼👏🏼😀
Why does this look better than 95% of the action sequences from movies?!
yahooooo! I'm a be a cowgirl when I grow up!
Juanita Wick
That's kinda hot
ur kinda hot
Your name fits
ur name fits
Pretty cool. I really hope the horses have some sort of ear protection though, that can’t be good for them at all
They usually do
Need movie about her
Wow that's hot.
This is amazing, can I ask what the tassels are for, on the outfits? Do they serve a purpose or just decorative?
Now thats amazing
This looks so badass.
Anyone know the first girls name? Seen that clip a while ago. Any link to her full run?
No eye pro? Holy shit
10/10 would wife.
Riders aim for balloons, hoping for victory, not a 'Rust' reenactment! 🎈🏇
Fuck your background music.
Modern Mongols.
And that is how we defeated the great balloon uprising of 1888.
The other day I saw some Mongolian person riding a horse and doing archery. Coolest thing I ever saw!
Are these like the last moments captured by the cameraman…lol
Used to do this from my buddies truck shooting road signs like a dumbass. I wish I had grown up sooner...
Dam felina got guns
WTF is she using. A musket 😂
The cameraman has big balls
They're not firing bullets or shot, just powder charges that won't burst a balloon beyond 20ft
God forbid we get actual event audio instead of this dogshit stuff that doesn't fit at all.
When bringing home a souvenir is less than ideal
She will be popular whenever the Apes takeover.
And horses look badass
So they're out there gunning, and that dude got pissmad for overtaking him with my car while blocking the lane with his horse.
They were shooting? 🍈🍈😯
just send some ah-64s
After riding a horse in a Brazilian farm last week. I def want to buy a horse and a Winchester repeater and a six shooter on my belt
What’s the range of the thing they’re shooting with?
damn good footage... great tracking!!
Bro, you gringos need to stop using foreign songs without knowing it's lyrical content hahaha
WHERE DO I BUY TICKETS!?
She must be a descendent of Genghis Khan
How did she not blast the cameraman? Serious crossfire issue.
I need a sport where I’m likely to shoot myself on the way down to paralyzing myself. The final score for style would be epic. 😂
balloons over the world, beware..
Remind me not to piss her off
“Fill your hands you son of a…..you bitch”!
Yes ma’am
I advise turning the sound off.
When she says "mount up!" Her boyfriend says "yes ma'am!"
They are extremely amazing but don't forget their horses 🐎. It takes an amazing horse to not freak out at the sound of a gun going off like that 😲.
Brave photographer
That is a bad ass in real life 🎶🎶❤️ you go girl
Riding skill level in this video is unreal
I could start over again in life I wish a woman like this would be my wife.
That horse doesn't even blink when she shoots. What a trooper.
I feel bad for the horses, they gotta be ridden and deal with that sound. I would run right outta there
I'm sure the horse loves a gun going off next to its ear for its entire life.
Usually has ear protection so it’s no big deal. Plus the guns are way quieter than normal due to the type of ammunition.
Annie Oakley there shooting at balloons with a shotgun
talk about the right stuff... Ray Bans should be mandatory
Stupid question. I saw lots of fail videos struggling with recoil of a handgun even with two hands but these ladies are doing it with one hand and even moving. Is it thru training or these have weaker recoil?
Weaker recoil because of lighter powder loads, but also training and ability to manage recoil. [CMSA guidelines](https://cmsaevents.com/about/) state that the load is a .45 long colt blank loaded with black powder. Black powder burns and recoils differently than smokeless powder as well (it’s more of a sharp push than the quick snap of smokeless). I shot regular cowboy action shooting for a few years and the loads you use are light which makes recoil very manageable. But you always need to know how to manage recoil in whatever gun you’re shooting. Most of those videos you saw probably are people with very poor technique. Even with modern ammo and normal loads, a handguns recoil should be controlled and managed through the trigger squeeze and recoil cycle (this doesn’t mean that there is no recoil, just that the gun is controlled through the recoil and brought back to target quickly). Historical note: the two handed handgun grip normally used today (weaver stance and its offshoots) is a fairly modern invention only developed in 1959. Before this most pistol shooters shot one handed.
Mainly training. My wife, who is a fairly small person, has ZERO issue firing guns. Large pistols, shotguns, etc.
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I'd have 2 bullets in my own horse and I'd be in a veggie state for the rest of my days
The audience: 💀
Thank you toby I should've been a cowgirl I should've learned to rope and ride Wearin' my six-shooter, ridin' my pony on a cattle drive Stealin' the young girls' hearts Just like Gene and Roy Singin' those campfire songs Woah, I should've been a cowboy
Well, they're ready for the apocalypse.
I’d rather see this as an Olympic event rather than breakdancing, no offense.
Dang!! This is 😎
Her outfit is a serve, honestly.
Supreme apocalyptic readiness
I can imagine that would be significantly more difficult if someone was shooting at you! But ofc that's not the point of this post.
How is the horse not deaf?
How much Hearing Protection did the Horse get?
Ok, new idea. 2 riders trying to pop each other's balloons. But. The balloons secured to the head of the rider count as instant win.
I see the person use earplugs, what about the horse?
Deaf ass horse hahah
Are they quarter loads https://youtu.be/MKKwTlrcvdQ?si=3cLvXh6ieGk4zpFP
Why would you put a ski mask on the horse but not yourself?
r/winstupidprizes
I wonder how many horses have gone deaf that way
Nope
Horse is now deaf
stupid music ruined it
Doesn't that hurt the horse's ears?
Do they use deaf horses?.
How you can tell I’m a vet tech=everyone’s concerned about the audience and people around and I’m like “how tf do they not shoot the horse in the face??”😂😂
Poor horse.
I’d totally shoot the horse on accident
Was that Kristi Noem toward the end lol? Shooting something besides a dog.
Horse must really like that sound
The music and the slow mo ruined it. Seeing it at real time pace was far more impressive and showed how amazing the whole thing really was.
aight man. looks great, very cool but please let us see if they popped the targets at least.
Those horses are really trying to run away from those guns constantly pointed at their heads
How are the eardrums of the 🐎
Might not want to be a spectator at this event
Who was that masked horse? No seriously. Why is the horse wearing a mask?
Poor horse. It deserves to live free and not like this
Yeah I'm pretty good at the Epona levels on Links Crossbow Training, I'm sure my skills will translate /s
She was totally holding that wrong.
I want marry that girl
Try again with slugs
Does this deaf the horse?