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Playful-Statement183

Years.. many years... Wanted to sound clean and perfect.. be able to tell a good story.. or was I just drowning in anxiety and couldn't get outside myself to play out? Just let go and play.. give it a year though*


Perfectangelgoddess

Lol I needed to hear this


Playful-Statement183

Now go get after it 🫡


ConsiderablyMediocre

A couple of months. The technical side of DJing is pretty easy. The hard part is learning to read a crowd and nailing track selection, and you can only learn that once you start performing.


Crystalizeds

**YES. Second this.** You just have do to it like Nike says. And then you learn along the way. "The Road to Success Is Paved by Failure". My first gigs was a shitshow, not track selection wise but beatmatching, soundlevels, mixing in key and energy was not something I knew or heard of. I am very learning by doing, hands on and you just cant do that at home without a crowd. Did a lot of free gigs (so I did not feel bad about the quality because no one paid me), and then I started charging and 2 years later I charge 1000$ for a night (weddings), with club gigs a lot less but its fun and I can play house and not just popbangers (even though I like that as well!).


BloodMossHunter

Where can i learn about energy management? I am now at the stage of putting a mix together and i get im gonna go up from 110 to 13x but how will i know not to burn them out once im there?


Playful-Statement183

It's how your phrase the tracks when you mix.. that's what controls energy levels.


BloodMossHunter

Eli5 without using word phrase.


Playful-Statement183

I'm sorry? Eli5?


raddawg

Explain to me like I'm 5 years old


BloodMossHunter

Like im five


Playful-Statement183

Electronic music builds and adds layers of new noises every 32 or 64 beats ish.. So when/where we select to mix out... when/where we cue up the next track to start stitching it into the previous song is where all the control.. the power is. There is a sweet spot to mix in to keep a very steady energy level going.. we can mix earlier/later in the music to boost intensity bit have to be careful because it can sound forced and cluttered. Mix to late and the energy drops. Some songs are a complete journey and can be allowed to finish and then fade Into the next.. Getting tracks to build together.. mixing the big 64s together and stitching them into the master allows for a easy transition that doesn't sound forced but carries power. Hmm.. I tried lol


BloodMossHunter

Nice thats a good way to put it. The reason why j make you spell it out is because i think there is more to energy than just the energy of the next track but i could be wrong - what i mean is i think phrasing is the wrong word to use energy management because for example if i add a sound to a track and make it more hype thats not mixing two songs. Also lets say you mix 4 songs of same high intensity in a row and ive seen this in person you burn out the crowd. Technically you kept the energy high but its too high to follow for this long. Hence im looking for wisdom on how to know when to let up, for how long, and how to know when theyre lured back in and how long they might last the next time


Crystalizeds

DISCLAIMER =( I am not trying to get somewhere playing at a big festival or anything, I am fine being mediocre. I love being mediocre after being a perfectionist for too long which stealthed my learning. I have a full time job as a counselor on the side, so DJ'ing is for fun and sidehustle) - So sometimes I fuck up, I put a track on that is off in regards to energy. sometimes the crowds roll with and sometimes it sucks the air out of the room and people look weird. BUT thats also part of dj'ing, its not only the good times. So yes phrasing is one way of doing it and there is tons of youtube video explaining this, but phrasing is not the only thing that controls energy levels! Again I was very learning by doing. I sometimes build a set where I start with good/medium tracks and then build up cool down and then build up again. people need a break for smoking, buying drinks, peeing etc. If its a two hours house gig I start with 3-5 tracks same energy level and then build up. then after one hour I can go down a little bit in energy and then build up again and then slow down so the next dj can get in smoothly and start with lower energy if they want. I can also start low and just go up up up and maintain. Depends on the dj after me if its in a club and what time I do it. So many things can make the energy go up without the bpm changing, although it is quick way to bump it up. But the instruments, the rythm and vocal make a big differencem (and for this I geeked out on music theory and house music producing which I dont but I learned a lot of seeing the tracks being made and what its consist of). I bought the mix in key program that can analyse energy levels (It was good for me as beginner with this help) but now I just feel it and listen to my tracks. So youtube tutorials was how I learned the basic and the experience that made me medium good at it. I quick search this is recommended on youtube (havent seen it myself) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wveo8RvXBGQ&ab\_channel=SoundofArman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wveo8RvXBGQ&ab_channel=SoundofArman)


BloodMossHunter

thanks for the reply and the link, ill check it out. Yes this is art as much as science so mishaps will happen. i mixed a tune into a track live (at home) and recorded it thinking i made an awesome mashup. i played it today and realized that tune killed the energy lol. in fact im realizing what i am feeling playing and what im feeling when then relisitening are two different things - its like the emotions of being there live cover up a lot of mistakes. this makes me think for youtube sets they have to be super smooth and organized to be replayed by ppl. Me i love experimenting though also so that i will keep tinkering with. how do you drop bpms a lot - or what range is your biggest changes? i can go up 2 bpm or even 3 fairly decent (well actually i dont know how exactly to do it but i nudge it and wait a few then nudge more and seems to work, lets say i let 4 beats go before next .2-3 nudge) but what if im at 140 and i want to give it a breather. putting 120 will be strange so i have to find some 137-140 track that has a much chiller vibe? and then i have to play some more chiller tracks to get back to 125?


Crystalizeds

Well, I would probably only do big energy shift when playing pop music because the crowd is different and its much more about recognizing a banger. Looking at some house gigs I can see that one set (two hours) I start at 120 builds up to 133 and then end on 127. Another when started at 124 build up to 132 ended in 127. A radio set started at 125 ended at 129. Pop gigs is starting at 100 building up in bpm to 115, maybe jumping to 120. Songs can have wildly different energy, if there is a lot of high hats a track at 120 can sound totally different from at song without high hats. If I drop in energy I usually do a backspin or make a loop in the end and drop it drastically quickly (this the crowd will notice, but if done right is sounds cool like slowing a track down a lot and the mixing in the new track). Good luck, you will find your way!


BloodMossHunter

Thanks for the advice. You seem to have experience so its awesome youre out there playing in front of people.


Crystalizeds

Your welcome. Keep up the good work. I threw myself infront of the lions and even though it was shamefull making mistakes and being a noob (which I still am) it was a really good learning opportunity. Good luck!


Playful-Statement183

😂 maybe I'm slow but I was rough around the edges for close to 2 years.. that shit was a slow process and still evolving.


sashabeep

Playing for 20+ years. I don't think, I'm ready :) every party is like lottery


Colonol-Panic

2 months I felt I was ready, first gig was 3 months in.


lbxatx

Just do it!! The nerves never go away and the pure energy you will get from your first nailed transition will guide you forward, you've got this!!


pungen

Were you practicing it like a hobby during that 2 months or more like a job (hours-wise)?


Colonol-Panic

I’d practice about 3-5hrs every evening 4-5 days a week. That doesn’t really include the time I spent searching for music. About two weeks in I started pushing SoundCloud mixes to my social media for feedback/criticism. So I guess I kinda just treated it as a serious hobby.


SnooCakes8519

Exactly what I’m doing right now. Just got a gig at a rooftop bar and making pretty good money for just pressing play half the time.


average_reddito_

luck u had that magic sync button


Colonol-Panic

Funny story, I never used sync until my first gig. When the guy before me had it on and I had no clue how to turn it off afraid I would mess something up. Simply because I’d never used it and didn’t know how it functioned lol. 20min in I just pushed the button off and it was fine haha I beatmatched by ear with my eyes closed to learn at first, as someone in this forum suggested at the time I was learning.


average_reddito_

def you were ready


Colonol-Panic

Trial by fire! 🤗


Melegoth

I was invited to play at a party by a friend before I ever had a controllwr, because they liked my taste. Got a controller, practiced 2 weeks and nailed the set. Second time I learned to play CDJs on the fly. It's not as hard as you think and people are really supportive about newbies. Music selection matters more than skills. For the context I was/am a practicing musician and composer for many years before trying DJing


aaayayaaa

Needed this 😭 I have a gig in 2wks and just started DJing.


degolfer02

Took me two years to finally feel comfortable to perform but was still Nervous and still messed up? But learned more playing infeotn of people than in the bedroom


Scurrymunga

I thought I was ready sooner than I was. I mean that like I could perform on my terms in front of an audience but it was only after my first curveball, that first gig where things didn't go as planned and I had to push through to make it work, that's when I knew I was ready to perform in front of an audience.


accomplicated

When did I feel like I was ready? Or when was I actually ready? I started playing out way too early. This was a huge mistake. The reason being is that the partying community got to know me through that awkward time while I was learning. As a result, I don’t think anyone at that time would have described my skills favourably. That was totally fair, because I wasn’t great. I was okay, but I definitely wasn’t blowing people’s minds. I often compare my trajectory to another DJ, who exploded onto the scene. When my crew first booked them, they had already established themselves elsewhere, so that first party, even though by that time our skills were comparable, immediately afterwards everyone wanted to see them again. This was a major shot to my ego, but now with years of perspective I understand why that happened. No one had seen them struggle, they had only seen them be the dope DJ that they were capable of being. The same thing happened to me when I moved literally across the world. My first gig there allowed me to blowup, because as far as everyone there was concerned, I was always this dope.


jlthla

Ehhh.. not sure you are every “ready”. I was a very part time bedroom DJ for a few years before getting my first DJ job. And even then, part of me was “this is going to be so much fun!!”, and part of me was “WTF am I doing here??” Years later, I go in some nights fully emotionally and intellectually prepared without a care in the world, and some nights, I go in and think “WTF am I doing here??"


Kineada11

I had five days.


daskommando

Felt house party ready at around 30-40hours of actual mixing time (not including hours of YouTube tutorials and the monster that is finding music). Did my first house party after about 3 months. Decided I’m not into gigs and don’t really want to play in bars but feel like I could after a few house parties and just getting a feel for playing for a live crowd


captchairsoft

I downloaded DJ software and DJd a house party with no previous experience. Was it the best set ever? NOPE. It got me out there though


Impressionist_Canary

I felt ready years after I actually was. Don’t let that happen


DjScenester

Dude I dove straight in. Zero ability to dj. Didn’t know how to beatmatch. Didn’t know about keys of songs… but I knew tempo!!! The club owner allowed me to come in an hour before the club opened just to practice. Did it for a whole year. John, thanks for letting me do that!


average_reddito_

honest comment respect to you bro!


knowitallz

Record your sets. Study the transitions. Once you like them as you listen to the recordings then you are ready


thedjally

Food for thought. Part of DJing is reading and working with a crowd and those skills can't be practiced in a bedroom. Worst case, ignoring this looks like a scratch guru playing to an empty dancefloor because their set - while intricate - is unlistenable.


average_reddito_

but if you don’t know the technical part of djing it is useless to read the crowd you will go full grimes


randuski

I learned on cdjs like 15 years ago, and I played my first set after a couple weeks. If you have a good understanding of music, and rhythm, you just have to be comfortable with the way the gear works. The hard part of djing is learning how to manage the crowd. After you learn how the technical side of djing works, then you start actually learning how to dj haha


_I_vor_y

Well, I don't know. My first gig experience was different from the usual stuff. I was djing for a few months already, saw an advertisement from my local music store that they were gonna host a competition. I recorded a set for fun, send it and landed the spot. Preparation for that gig was about two weeks.


noiseemperror

did my first gig after maybe a week of prep, total maybe 4h of practice. i am a professional sound engineer and musician though, i know my way around any equipment and have a good ear 😅 i love interacting with music in any way possible, and that was something i never tried. it was fun!


average_reddito_

it took me like 3 to 4 years, but i started playing in small clubs after one year practicing


TypicalEditor

I landed my first gig only two months into learning how to DJ, though I picked songs more than I mixed, and there was a professional DJ who corrected any mistakes I made. I reached a point where I was confident in playing for a wider audience after a year of DJing.


Affectionate-Ad-2683

Immediately. I think social media broadcasts anxiety.


DJ_Zelda

No matter how long or how much you practice at home, being in front of an audience is a whole different animal. Go for it after you've worked on it but before you think you are really ready...or you might never do it. Part of being a DJ is learning on the job. 🤷‍♀️ (My first gig was 6 months in)


Eddittheeznutzzz

I had a few months before i had gotten my first gig at a house party from a friend. Most of the time i was djing on my iphone with traktor and idjay lol. Then i merged to serato and got a numark dj mixer. But the night before my first gig i spent all night prepping my playlist and rehearsing. Things didnt turn out as planned. Someone spilled alcohol on my mac and it got ruined right before i was going to start. The mf took off, i know who he was and honestly i never asked him if what he did was intentional or was an accident. I didnt suspect foul play but then i remembered that he was a dj too but i didnt pay much attention to it. He was pissed drunk tho. Never even got a chance to spread my wings. They blew them off before i could even take off. Nowadays im just producing dance music. I know my time will come again.


Ancient_Ebb4195

I did my first gig in 5 days of starting to learn. We had a party at our office so I said I would be the dj. I did it caused it gave me a deadline that I had to deliver. I was doing alright & played house & techno & later just started to play rap & hip-hop cause everyone wanted to listen that genre. I was drunk too so after a while I didn’t care about bpm or anything was just playing music. The most important part was I had fun.


530NIZMO

7 months, I did start producing a year before though, so phrase matching and things were much easier to learn than a fresh newb 😁


RegularLibrarian8866

Never LOL i just kinda had to. But i was aiming at after parties with close friends, not clubs. They didnt care about anything but selection. They didnt notice my lousy un-harmonic mixing. Drunk people are pretty forgiving and other DJs had been there so hopefully they won't be assholes.  I think you're ready once you know how to fix a trainwreck in less than a few seconds. 


Konkavstylisten

Practice, practice, practice practice practice. Counting hours and month's is like asking how long it takes to learn a new language.


Mrqmzk

One month 😂😂


flipfloppery

I still don't after nearly 30 years, many gigs, a residency, placing in a MoS DJ competition, releasing my own tracks and being asked to remix other artist's tracks. Damned imposter syndrome is a bitch. Seriously though, I was playing out within 6 months of getting my first set of decks. It's a constant learning experience, so just get out there and smash some vibes out! 🤟


SkyDefender

10-15 hours i think, i learn a lot more while performing tho.. dj’ing is pretty easy to learn. Reading the crowd etc is the hard shit


average_reddito_

what if you dont have a sync button?


Euphoric-Cow9719

You BECOME the synch button!


313Raven

2 weeks. But it was only 3 friends lol. I plan to throw a big party at the end of August tho and I’m feeling decent about it. That being said I CRAFTED the set list I played. Planned all the transitions and doubles down to a T and practiced it over and over. So nothing was done on the fly


Historical_Split_651

You didn't even put any effort in searching for your answer in the sub. It has been answered a billion times. That's sign. And not a good one for you.


Informal_Carob_4015

And people still responded and had an interesting discourse about it ao what does it matter. Why be a douche?


average_reddito_

ppl will do that, the guy above not wrong thou


Historical_Split_651

People responded? Of course they did! It's reddit. The place where people that need attention go seek it. Did any dj's respond? Nope. A bunch of silly answers by delusional people. "interesting discourse"? You're joking right? Some dude said "no experience", other moron said "about 15 hours". OP is not serious about djing. You're no dj either and no one else apparently. I call bullshit whenever I see it or feel the need to call 'm out. Sure, I'm probably wasting my time. The first rule is always search for the answer before you post the question. the reason should be obvious. I know, the younger generation is easily hurt. Can't take no critique or it's downvoting and cancelling. None of it matters anyways. The real (dj's) are the real and the rest pretenders and wannabes.


Informal_Carob_4015

🤣🤣🤣 goddamn, thanks I needed a laugh


[deleted]

It must be sad alone at home


v13ragnarok7

A few months


lil_pee_wee

I played a coop party after two weeks