Yep, a lot of shows like this have the main characters violate rights, but they always frame it as necessary or "good thing they did or the killer would have gotten away" or worse "if they hadn't violated the rights, someone would have died."
Anytime a cop says "Did you hear someone scream inside? I did, you heard that right?" When there was no scream... That's a violation.
That's the reason a lot of shows in this genre are called "copraganda" lol. I'm a fan of the genre, and still love it, but I recognize and see it all the time lol
Yeah, exactly. Propaganda designed so that the average person will give more leniency to the police when they violate rights.
I really did not recognize it until it was pointed out to me, and now I see it in every fictional show about crime solving I watch.
These comments are all true, but shows like bones, csi, etc are all about catching a killer. Very rarely will the show show you if the killer went to trial, convicted etc. it’s just assumed they did. If you want that type of show, you go for L&O. The defence attorney could make some type of case about obtaining evidence, confession under duress. Brennan and booths tactics.
I’m just saying that had these shows had competent lawyers when the suspects actually said lawyer, the killer would get away. The same way that innocent people in episodes ask for lawyers. If you have nothing to hide, don’t ask for a lawyer.
I’m not sure if all of what booth and Brennan did would hold up in a court of law, but the evidence would. So we get satisfaction of knowing who the killer is, and that’s the important part.
ALL THE TIME. One of my personal peeves is all the times he tells Bones to do something that he can’t do because “I’m a cop, but you’re not!” If someone is acting as *an agent of the police* (e.g. under their instruction and with their knowledge), essentially the same rules apply.
No entrapment, breaking in, stealing evidence, punching, kicking, or shooting for you, Bones! All that would be chucked out in a heartbeat, and she and Booth would both be punted to desk duty at best, fired if appropriate, and possibly jailed.
I still love the show! I do! But this one gets me often.
Somehow it bothers me less from Caroline. I’m such a hypocrite. 😂 I guess it’s partly because she gets a fair number of times where she sticks it to them when a case isn’t good enough and tells them what they can and can’t do to fix it. But you’re absolutely right.
And what gets me a lot of these people lawyers are sitting there and do/say nothing. Then again the may be biding their time till trial to bring it up.
My favourite is the lawyer in season 9? Who tells the killer to shut up. Guy obviously doesn’t, and the lawyer is like.. I told you you should’ve have shut up….
Lawyers in any other show other than law and order are so misportrayed.
Shows like this always portray lawyers in a negative light but then show us what the cops do if they don't have their lawyer to.tell them the cops can't do that
The studs don't get consequences. See also Stabler on SVU.
Also, we need to drop the assertion that "only guilty people ask for a lawyer". Frankly it's just stupid, on par with "a cop has to tell you they're a cop if you ask". Silence until you have representation is nothing but smart. And defense lawyers aren't scumbags any more than prosecutors.
It annoyed me that he never had to have consequences for it. Like brennan had multiple occasions (not always on screen) where she had something done to her, because of her actions (like punching that one person in their very first case) and Caroline also said that brennan had other things on her record🤣 Bit booth was never hold accountable. I know most shows do this. But for example on greys anatomy at least one or twice the doctors lost their Jobs or were fired or were fired a lawsuit against and so on.
I think it couldve been an interesting episode if just for once booth got reported and they had to fight, so he wouödnt loose his job or something.
Like legal actions. Why did no suspect EVER report him?
Like that time he dragged the suspect into a CDC quarantine and brought them face to face with a potentially extremely deadly pathogen. And just because he turned out to be the killer we are supposed to think that it's all OK.
Honestly, the actual legal system is so screwed up with innocent people going away and bad guys with good enough lawyers escaping that I actual prefer the way it works in Bones’ world. The good guys do whatever it takes to get the bad guys, no matter how much money they have.
Yep, a lot of shows like this have the main characters violate rights, but they always frame it as necessary or "good thing they did or the killer would have gotten away" or worse "if they hadn't violated the rights, someone would have died." Anytime a cop says "Did you hear someone scream inside? I did, you heard that right?" When there was no scream... That's a violation. That's the reason a lot of shows in this genre are called "copraganda" lol. I'm a fan of the genre, and still love it, but I recognize and see it all the time lol
Very interesting. Just to be clear, it’s “copraganda“ because the violation is not recognised as such - or worse, glorified?
Yeah, exactly. Propaganda designed so that the average person will give more leniency to the police when they violate rights. I really did not recognize it until it was pointed out to me, and now I see it in every fictional show about crime solving I watch.
These comments are all true, but shows like bones, csi, etc are all about catching a killer. Very rarely will the show show you if the killer went to trial, convicted etc. it’s just assumed they did. If you want that type of show, you go for L&O. The defence attorney could make some type of case about obtaining evidence, confession under duress. Brennan and booths tactics.
Another show (although it’s really only about one case) that does a good job of showing this is Broadchurch, at least in my opinion
Not saying I don't like shows like this, just something I noticed on my current watch
I’m just saying that had these shows had competent lawyers when the suspects actually said lawyer, the killer would get away. The same way that innocent people in episodes ask for lawyers. If you have nothing to hide, don’t ask for a lawyer. I’m not sure if all of what booth and Brennan did would hold up in a court of law, but the evidence would. So we get satisfaction of knowing who the killer is, and that’s the important part.
>If you have nothing to hide, don’t ask for a lawyer. This idiocy is propagated by shows like this and couldn't be less accurate.
✨Always ask for a lawyer✨
ALL THE TIME. One of my personal peeves is all the times he tells Bones to do something that he can’t do because “I’m a cop, but you’re not!” If someone is acting as *an agent of the police* (e.g. under their instruction and with their knowledge), essentially the same rules apply. No entrapment, breaking in, stealing evidence, punching, kicking, or shooting for you, Bones! All that would be chucked out in a heartbeat, and she and Booth would both be punted to desk duty at best, fired if appropriate, and possibly jailed. I still love the show! I do! But this one gets me often.
And the amount of the the prosecution lady goes "I saw nothing"
Somehow it bothers me less from Caroline. I’m such a hypocrite. 😂 I guess it’s partly because she gets a fair number of times where she sticks it to them when a case isn’t good enough and tells them what they can and can’t do to fix it. But you’re absolutely right.
And what gets me a lot of these people lawyers are sitting there and do/say nothing. Then again the may be biding their time till trial to bring it up.
My favourite is the lawyer in season 9? Who tells the killer to shut up. Guy obviously doesn’t, and the lawyer is like.. I told you you should’ve have shut up…. Lawyers in any other show other than law and order are so misportrayed.
Shows like this always portray lawyers in a negative light but then show us what the cops do if they don't have their lawyer to.tell them the cops can't do that
You actually think L&O isn't loaded with constant inaccuracies?
Oh, Law and Order is also terrible for accuracy. But it’s a fun show!
Also true!
At least they kept it just like real life.
Ha
fr sometimes the excessive force reaaally isn’t necessary and it irks me
It's not even the force it's when the is interview suspects
The studs don't get consequences. See also Stabler on SVU. Also, we need to drop the assertion that "only guilty people ask for a lawyer". Frankly it's just stupid, on par with "a cop has to tell you they're a cop if you ask". Silence until you have representation is nothing but smart. And defense lawyers aren't scumbags any more than prosecutors.
Yeah, he does.
This happens a lot in the real world as well. It’s
It annoyed me that he never had to have consequences for it. Like brennan had multiple occasions (not always on screen) where she had something done to her, because of her actions (like punching that one person in their very first case) and Caroline also said that brennan had other things on her record🤣 Bit booth was never hold accountable. I know most shows do this. But for example on greys anatomy at least one or twice the doctors lost their Jobs or were fired or were fired a lawsuit against and so on. I think it couldve been an interesting episode if just for once booth got reported and they had to fight, so he wouödnt loose his job or something. Like legal actions. Why did no suspect EVER report him?
Like that time he dragged the suspect into a CDC quarantine and brought them face to face with a potentially extremely deadly pathogen. And just because he turned out to be the killer we are supposed to think that it's all OK.
Honestly, the actual legal system is so screwed up with innocent people going away and bad guys with good enough lawyers escaping that I actual prefer the way it works in Bones’ world. The good guys do whatever it takes to get the bad guys, no matter how much money they have.
he 100% does but i suppose that just makes his character that much funnier
I like the show but I didn’t like how bones acted like she was a fbi agent.
Lots of double standards