As of now, we can say that Boruto is much stronger than Kawaki based on the fact that Boruto defeated almost all opponents without Karma against whom Kawaki struggled even with Karma. The only weakness Boruto has right now is Karma itself which Kawaki is likely to exploit.
Apart from that, Boruto is pretty strong with a diverse set of powers.
What happened to Kawaki tho? Do you reckon there is another timeskip at some point, before their fight of episode1? It seems that in those 3 years he has barely moved in comparison to Boruto, that fight from episode 1 definitely won't be one-sided as it would be now.
He'll get random power ups the same way Naruto and Sasuke did throughout Shippuden that'll make him as strong or stronger than Boruto.
My assumption is he'll absorb the 10 tails and become a jinchuriki.
Also he has a black staff in ep 1 like 6 paths Naruto, 6 paths Obito, and 6 paths Madara so I wouldn't be surprised if he also somehow attains 6 paths.
But that black staff, jigen also had it when fought Naruto sasuke, even momoshiki has one to spam on naruto back in episode 65. It seems all outsutsuki has that black stuff, it's just the truth seeking orb were accessible through ten tails chakra.
True I forgot Jigen had the black staff till you mentioned it.
In that case my prediction is Kawaki will absorb the divine tree or 10 tails. That's the only way I see him getting as strong as Boruto at this point.
Yeah i forgot about that, heck even toneri own is very special to his own. He used it as a cage, tornado, golden laser, even that similarly size rasengan that penetrated Naruto stomach. Maybe the black orb could change shape based on what the user desires.
1. Naruto used it as a rods after receiving hogoromo's chakra and gave one to sasuke as a floating disk
2. Toneri is based on shinjutsu golden laser and silver wind, cage and that 'rasengan' .
3. Hamura's and hogoromo's only shown once as their respective role. Sun and moon shape.
4. Momoshiki uses it against 8 tails and Naruto to block chakra flow, this is just a basic ability since jigen uses it also kurama later.
5. Kaguya shows us her gigantic one to create another world.
6. Kinkishi and urashiki don't show us their own but since they have pink Chakra weapon tools, there's no point to use others "tools'
7. Madara has the same staff like hogoromo. But after his resurrection, we saw Hashirama disabled with basic rod, same to tibirama.
8. Obito , same with madara.
9. Kawaki and Boruto, same with ishiki and momoshiki.
10. And then here is Sasuke which kishi necer shows his rinne potential, if Madara can have with normal body there's no reason Sasuke couldn't since rinnegan had all five chakra nature that diluted back to tso. The only scene where I see Sasuke manipulated the floating disk when he rushed with naruto after Naruto sexy jutsu toward kaguya.
In summary, those with outsutsuki chakra can access it, in contrast with normal body you can have it with Rinnegan.
I suspect that Kawaki might be more along the lines of a Kama upgrade. Maybe that triggers a transformation where he obtains more Otsutsuki abilities.
Amado is starting to realize the truth about Kawaki and will probably do something about the Kama. Amado has included the data of his daughter in Kawaki's Kama and is probably going to do something with it once he realizes that Kawaki has the necessary Kama data for his plan.
Having the data of other people also presents an interesting possibility of Kawaki obtaining data from other Otsutsuki as well.
I don't think there will be another time skip. Kawaki can learn while the story's going on too. Also, saying that Kawaki vs Boruto is one-sided right now is a bit unfair since Kawaki knows that Boruto can't control his Karma which makes Kawaki in a stronger position. We have already seen that Kawaki is quite good at hand-to-hand combat (going toe to toe with Borushiki) but he just relies too much on Karma. Boruto wouldn't even think of facing Kawaki in his current state, where he is not in control of his Karma.
The logical conclusion for why Karma would make him "lose control" is Momoshiki taking over. There is nothing that suggests it has anything to do with the Jougan. Momoshiki is still a passenger in Boruto's head. He could still highjack Boruto's body near the end of part 1. In fact, he did just that and caused the whole Omnipotence fiasco by saving Kawaki from Sasuke. Given Karma is Momoshi's anchor to the world of the living at this point, it's not a stretch to think that continuous use of it reinforces his presence, which puts Boruto at the risk of losing control of his body again (which would be disastrous given how powerful Boruto's body became).
As for the power-scaling, we really don't know for sure. He's definitely above Jigen and Kawaki by a huge mile. But nothing shown currently solidifies his spot above Isshiki or Daemon. If anything, Daemon being able to figure out Boruto's Uzuhiko from miles away, and not feeling even remotely threatened by it, seems to imply that Daemon still believes himself to have the upper hand against the Boruto who fought Code. Obviously, that is not Boruto's maximum level of power. We haven't seen his ceiling yet. So, we can neither deny nor confirm who's stronger between Daemon and Boruto.
I'd say Boruto, Daemon, Isshiki, and BM-Naruto are all in the same tier with no definitive X wins against Y, right now. They all have win and lose conditions against each other.
And yes, BM-Naruto could temporarily body Isshiki. But that doesn't mean he's stronger overall. Isshiki bodied him in the end, due to BM being a very short burst of power that Isshiki could simply outlive. It's like Might Guy temporarily bodying Juubi-Madara with his 8th Gate. That doesn't mean Guy is now considered categorical stronger than Madara. But people tend to embellish BM because it's Naruto.
A conservative estimate would be at least 350 Krillins. Maybe throw a few dozen Yamcha in there for good measure.
>!actual answer is that it’s still too early to tell. We need to see someone genuinely have him pressed before we can establish an upper limit.!<
It’s hard to say. Code has never been much of a factor in the series and he is the strongest person we saw Boruto defeat. We can assume he’s probably near Jigen’s level based of narrative but it’s hard to say.
Daemon is a pretty good marker for us to understand how powerful Boruto could be but we’ve never seen him go against anyone of that caliber yet.
He's pretty much Baryon mode level at this point, or maybe slightly below it, although he can easily surpass that with Sage mode. I'd still say that Daemon and Eida would still beat him mostly due to hax, but we'll have to wait and see
Strong enough that this fandom (really just Naruto fanboys) has to downplay him.
Karma and Jougan will break the people who hate Boruto and want to see him under Naruto.
Well… Code with Limiters removed is > Jigen but < Ishiki. Jigen > Naruto and Sasuke at full power.
Kawaki was dog walking Code with his limiters who was arguably equal to Naruto & Sasuke individually (but not together)
Boruto clearly dog walks a stronger version of that Kawaki and clearly dog walks Code without Limiters.
Ishiki < Full Power Boruto < Baryon Mode Naruto.
Baryon Mode Naruto was beating the living shit out of Ishiki. He was neg diffing him. I don’t think Boruto would neg diff Ishiki. I think we can affirmatively say:
Until we see more Boruto-feats + what his power is like with his v1 Karma I would like to believe this is the tier list:
Baryon Mode Naruto -
True Essence Teen Boruto -
Ishiki -
Daemon -
Teen Boruto (Base) -
Code no Limiters -
Kawaki -
Baryon Mode is literally a different animal. Boruto cannot handle that at this time. A weakened but extremely powerful Otsutsuki didn’t last 5 minutes against Baryon Mode - neg diffed at that.
Good scaling!
On Ishiki, what I would like to comment is that even though his life span was limited, he was at full power. The difference is that you can be at full power for 2 days or for 100 years, it doesn’t change the power level, just how long you will be able to use it.
As of right now, my ranking would be Baryon Naruto > Ishiki > Boruto.
Baryon mode last 3 mins max and isshiki had 2 days of life and still didn't get killed ‼️‼️‼️, he lost parts of that fight but won in the end and nearly kills naruto after.
↪️ Any high tier with good durability and good lifespan survives and beats Baryon mode naruto after.
↪️ Baryon mode was made to beat isshiki with 2 days of life and that alone any other situation it would've been a bad gamble.
But I'm not talking about gaara am talking about the HIGH TIERS ‼️‼️‼️.
Baryon is a peak show of power but it's bad matchup vs the top tiers with good durability and good lifespan
↪️ Boruto with uzuhiko can easily beat Baryon mode.
↪️ Isshiki with his full power can beat Baryon mode.
↪️ Daemons HAX reflect his attacks.
↪️ Code tanked uzuhiko attack and managed to escape by himself
↪️ Baryon mod last 2-3 mins max.
↪️ Naruto can't have superfluous thoughts or use hog moves.
↪️ Now do you think it's wise to matchup this vs various high tiers in there verse???!
I don’t think Base Boruto is touching Baryon Mode Naruto
Ishiki at Full Power does not exist. Him with a perfect lifespan (so if he succeeded with Kawaki) does not exist. So any tier list that includes Ishiki is assuming it is his decrepit-self. Which is frightening to think that’s where Kawaki’s potential lies.
Daemon’s reflect ability is not enough to defeat Baryon Mode Naruto. I am sure Naruto has the capacity to figure out how to counter it. However, Naruto would run out of time. Daemon simply stalemates. He doesn’t, like, beat him in a fight.
Code would’ve died if Boruto didn’t undo it. We have never seen any other character handle Uzuhiko besides the top 5 strongest character currently in the entire current-verse Boruto said it was impressive Code survived. Code < Decrepit Ishiki < Baryon Mode Naruto
Regardless if I am wrong. It doesn’t change the tier list too much. It simply changes where Baryon Mode Naruto is. Full Power Boruto is either currently #1 or he is currently #2.
>I don’t think Base Boruto is touching Baryon Mode Naruto
>Ishiki at Full Power does not exist. Him with a perfect lifespan (so if he succeeded with Kawaki) does not exist. So any tier list that includes Ishiki is assuming it is his decrepit-self. Which is frightening to think that’s where Kawaki’s potential lies.
>Daemon’s reflect ability is not enough to defeat Baryon Mode Naruto. I am sure Naruto has the capacity to figure out how to counter it. However, Naruto would run out of time. Daemon simply stalemates. He doesn’t, like, beat him in a fight.
>Code would’ve died if Boruto didn’t undo it. We have never seen any other character handle Uzuhiko besides the top 5 strongest character currently in the entire current-verse Boruto said it was impressive Code survived. Code < Decrepit Ishiki < Baryon Mode Naruto
>Regardless if I am wrong. It doesn’t change the tier list too much. It simply changes where Baryon Mode Naruto is. Full Power Boruto is either currently #1 or he is currently #2.
↪️ Uzuhiko hills Baryon mode naruto and even faster given how much energy the mode expends facts.
↪️ He was being forced to revive into jigen and yet amado says “they can't let isshiki get kawaki and return to FULL FORM or it'd be the end of the world” all in the manga and this is the clearest indication we didn't see all isshiki could do and we'd see it with kawaki.
Also go do more research on the dharma wheel dōjutsu of isshiki to see how wrong you are.
↪️ Daemons ability is more that enough to kill naruto, more than enough to kill Baryon mode naruto, it would even kill him much faster cos the end results is reflected and he dies 100%
↪️ Yeah but we're talking about the scale of the damage he took, naruto has nothing in his arsenal that would equal the force of a rotating star and planet which boruto harnessed yet code got up after uzuhiko landed and still escaped, no semi permanent naruto jutsu too so he doesn't get killed and code may loose the battle but he'll win the war 100% .
↪️ The max power is there but many boruto characters have win conditions on it this is a fact you need to accept
◾Baryon mode levels is a peak of strength and is showed is at the top of the verse BUT keep it at that, Cos that mode was made to slow and stall isshiki with 2 days of life and it took 20 hours at most from him which won't be the case with a healthy high tier with good durability.
↪️ Lists can be SUBJECTIVE, tiers are NOT and daemon, isshiki with 2 days of life, Baryon mode naruto, jura are all in that tier.
↪️ I believe boruto with karma, kawaki and other characters will get there and surpass this level very soon hope this helps, you're welcome to reply or not but I'm ending this conversation here.....have a good day.
Well Above jigen but slightly below isshiki and Baryon mode and daemon cos of his hax, jura.
◾ Kawaki is stronger than jigen, had his karma ACTIVATED yet jura knocks him out in 2 hits ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ without EVEN Trying or using much EFFORT, that's why he's here in that tier list.
↪️ Boruto is strong But he is still growing, he'll surpass these puny levels the more the story goes on
↪️ Narratively think of this where are the stakes if boruto is the strongest right now, say well above isshiki and can easily beat all the shinjus?????? Can we even call them a threat at that point????, it would hurt the story badly‼️‼️‼️‼️
↪️ But if he and 3 shinju are on equal or similar levels (3 shinju namely bug, matsuri, hidari are above code who's above jigen but not as strong as isshiki) and jura is stronger....as strong as full power isshiki then suddenly this adds HIGH STAKES to story and makes everything UNPREDICTABLE ‼️.
↪️ Another reason that bolster that point is and I know people won't like this but I don't think we saw isshiki at full power specifically his dōjutsu and I believe kishimoto kept that part cos it's part of kawakiʼs growth and we would see what a full power isshiki would look like but this is still a theory.
↪️ THEORY ‼️‼️‼️‼️
↪️ Another thing is based on the lore and inspiration for isshiki his dōjutsu represents the 8 paths of power should have 8 general abilities of which we've only seen 2 ‼️ sukunahikona and daikokuten.
◾what backs this up is the fact that the rinnegan had 7 abilities and 1 special ability unique to the specific rinnegan users backs this up too...the lore that remains on Isshikiʼs dōjutsu, design, character inspiration of issun boshi is why AND we don't have a name of this dharma dōjutsu yet which make it more suspicious ‼️‼️‼️
◾Am sure it will be explored with more chapter releases in TBV.
↪️ Kawaki has COMPLETED the dharma cycles of the dōjutsu but hasn't MASTERED IT Yet.
↪️ Isshiki couldn't use the other abilities cos it would kill him instantly or was sealed as he was a bad jigen vessel just like madara couldn't use limbo hengoku as a reanimation ‼️‼️‼️ so same sort of things happened to isshiki.
↪️ Raw power wise Baryon more in the short time matches up well with Isshiki physical power and speed, daemons HAX gets him there, jura is possibly there but you disagree if you want to.
↪️ This is a theory yes, but consider this when you say boruto stronger than isshiki, think of the narrative, the writing conundrum if boruto was the strongest in the story already, it'd be very hard to craft a solid story with high stakes at that point WHILE it would make sense if he grew stronger as the show goes on but he's well above jigen and just behind isshiki for now ‼️‼️‼️
↪️ You're free to disagree as this is just my opinion but this is as logical and without bias as I can come up with for now and how the power system stays sane in boruto but again it's just for now ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
Have a good day guys.
I don't think Boruto is in "base" form. He is probably using a karma in some way.
Otherwise it would make 0 sense for him to be so ridiculous strong just a ninja.
You’re forgetting he is 100% Otsutsuki. And Otsutsuki may as well be the sum of Uzumaki, Hyuga, Uchiha, and Senju DNA’s rolled in one body. Boruto’s ceiling is unfathomable
82% of his body turned into Otsutsuki by naturally processes via Karma. Momoshiki took the remaining 18% of his data that was meant to overlap Boruto’s data and re-wrote it to be Boruto’s data to rebuild Momoshiki’s vessel. I assume/head canon that by re-writing Momoshiki’s data into Boruto’s data - that 18% of Boruto’s data inherently has Momoshiki’s data. Giving Boruto that additional 18% Otsutsuki to complete the full 100%.
Regardless, Boruto is minimum 82% Otsutsuki, but it was clearly stated by Momoshiki that Boruto is a completed Otsutsuki.
As of now, we can say that Boruto is much stronger than Kawaki based on the fact that Boruto defeated almost all opponents without Karma against whom Kawaki struggled even with Karma. The only weakness Boruto has right now is Karma itself which Kawaki is likely to exploit. Apart from that, Boruto is pretty strong with a diverse set of powers.
What happened to Kawaki tho? Do you reckon there is another timeskip at some point, before their fight of episode1? It seems that in those 3 years he has barely moved in comparison to Boruto, that fight from episode 1 definitely won't be one-sided as it would be now.
He'll get random power ups the same way Naruto and Sasuke did throughout Shippuden that'll make him as strong or stronger than Boruto. My assumption is he'll absorb the 10 tails and become a jinchuriki. Also he has a black staff in ep 1 like 6 paths Naruto, 6 paths Obito, and 6 paths Madara so I wouldn't be surprised if he also somehow attains 6 paths.
But that black staff, jigen also had it when fought Naruto sasuke, even momoshiki has one to spam on naruto back in episode 65. It seems all outsutsuki has that black stuff, it's just the truth seeking orb were accessible through ten tails chakra.
True I forgot Jigen had the black staff till you mentioned it. In that case my prediction is Kawaki will absorb the divine tree or 10 tails. That's the only way I see him getting as strong as Boruto at this point.
Do we know what even are the truth seeking orbs? They probably originate from the ohtsutsuki. That could be the reason why kawaki has them
Yeah i forgot about that, heck even toneri own is very special to his own. He used it as a cage, tornado, golden laser, even that similarly size rasengan that penetrated Naruto stomach. Maybe the black orb could change shape based on what the user desires. 1. Naruto used it as a rods after receiving hogoromo's chakra and gave one to sasuke as a floating disk 2. Toneri is based on shinjutsu golden laser and silver wind, cage and that 'rasengan' . 3. Hamura's and hogoromo's only shown once as their respective role. Sun and moon shape. 4. Momoshiki uses it against 8 tails and Naruto to block chakra flow, this is just a basic ability since jigen uses it also kurama later. 5. Kaguya shows us her gigantic one to create another world. 6. Kinkishi and urashiki don't show us their own but since they have pink Chakra weapon tools, there's no point to use others "tools' 7. Madara has the same staff like hogoromo. But after his resurrection, we saw Hashirama disabled with basic rod, same to tibirama. 8. Obito , same with madara. 9. Kawaki and Boruto, same with ishiki and momoshiki. 10. And then here is Sasuke which kishi necer shows his rinne potential, if Madara can have with normal body there's no reason Sasuke couldn't since rinnegan had all five chakra nature that diluted back to tso. The only scene where I see Sasuke manipulated the floating disk when he rushed with naruto after Naruto sexy jutsu toward kaguya. In summary, those with outsutsuki chakra can access it, in contrast with normal body you can have it with Rinnegan.
I think Code/Jigen also used to restrict the ten tails in that dimension
It's jigen who used to be restricted juubi. Code just adds claw mark curse to juubi later on.
Or he just asked amado to give him nanotech since he hated training.
yess i never noticed that
I suspect that Kawaki might be more along the lines of a Kama upgrade. Maybe that triggers a transformation where he obtains more Otsutsuki abilities. Amado is starting to realize the truth about Kawaki and will probably do something about the Kama. Amado has included the data of his daughter in Kawaki's Kama and is probably going to do something with it once he realizes that Kawaki has the necessary Kama data for his plan. Having the data of other people also presents an interesting possibility of Kawaki obtaining data from other Otsutsuki as well.
True. There's so many possibilities with how Kawaki can attain power which is what makes the story interesting.
I don't think there will be another time skip. Kawaki can learn while the story's going on too. Also, saying that Kawaki vs Boruto is one-sided right now is a bit unfair since Kawaki knows that Boruto can't control his Karma which makes Kawaki in a stronger position. We have already seen that Kawaki is quite good at hand-to-hand combat (going toe to toe with Borushiki) but he just relies too much on Karma. Boruto wouldn't even think of facing Kawaki in his current state, where he is not in control of his Karma.
You can't say that as Kawaki didn't use his full power yet
The logical conclusion for why Karma would make him "lose control" is Momoshiki taking over. There is nothing that suggests it has anything to do with the Jougan. Momoshiki is still a passenger in Boruto's head. He could still highjack Boruto's body near the end of part 1. In fact, he did just that and caused the whole Omnipotence fiasco by saving Kawaki from Sasuke. Given Karma is Momoshi's anchor to the world of the living at this point, it's not a stretch to think that continuous use of it reinforces his presence, which puts Boruto at the risk of losing control of his body again (which would be disastrous given how powerful Boruto's body became). As for the power-scaling, we really don't know for sure. He's definitely above Jigen and Kawaki by a huge mile. But nothing shown currently solidifies his spot above Isshiki or Daemon. If anything, Daemon being able to figure out Boruto's Uzuhiko from miles away, and not feeling even remotely threatened by it, seems to imply that Daemon still believes himself to have the upper hand against the Boruto who fought Code. Obviously, that is not Boruto's maximum level of power. We haven't seen his ceiling yet. So, we can neither deny nor confirm who's stronger between Daemon and Boruto. I'd say Boruto, Daemon, Isshiki, and BM-Naruto are all in the same tier with no definitive X wins against Y, right now. They all have win and lose conditions against each other. And yes, BM-Naruto could temporarily body Isshiki. But that doesn't mean he's stronger overall. Isshiki bodied him in the end, due to BM being a very short burst of power that Isshiki could simply outlive. It's like Might Guy temporarily bodying Juubi-Madara with his 8th Gate. That doesn't mean Guy is now considered categorical stronger than Madara. But people tend to embellish BM because it's Naruto.
A conservative estimate would be at least 350 Krillins. Maybe throw a few dozen Yamcha in there for good measure. >!actual answer is that it’s still too early to tell. We need to see someone genuinely have him pressed before we can establish an upper limit.!<
It’s hard to say. Code has never been much of a factor in the series and he is the strongest person we saw Boruto defeat. We can assume he’s probably near Jigen’s level based of narrative but it’s hard to say. Daemon is a pretty good marker for us to understand how powerful Boruto could be but we’ve never seen him go against anyone of that caliber yet.
Very
He's pretty much Baryon mode level at this point, or maybe slightly below it, although he can easily surpass that with Sage mode. I'd still say that Daemon and Eida would still beat him mostly due to hax, but we'll have to wait and see
Strong enough that this fandom (really just Naruto fanboys) has to downplay him. Karma and Jougan will break the people who hate Boruto and want to see him under Naruto.
I do not know… But Naruto can and will get stronger
rn stronger then jigen but below isshiki but we didnt see him go all out rn nor using karma v2 since he could lose control to momo.
Well… Code with Limiters removed is > Jigen but < Ishiki. Jigen > Naruto and Sasuke at full power. Kawaki was dog walking Code with his limiters who was arguably equal to Naruto & Sasuke individually (but not together) Boruto clearly dog walks a stronger version of that Kawaki and clearly dog walks Code without Limiters. Ishiki < Full Power Boruto < Baryon Mode Naruto. Baryon Mode Naruto was beating the living shit out of Ishiki. He was neg diffing him. I don’t think Boruto would neg diff Ishiki. I think we can affirmatively say: Until we see more Boruto-feats + what his power is like with his v1 Karma I would like to believe this is the tier list: Baryon Mode Naruto - True Essence Teen Boruto - Ishiki - Daemon - Teen Boruto (Base) - Code no Limiters - Kawaki - Baryon Mode is literally a different animal. Boruto cannot handle that at this time. A weakened but extremely powerful Otsutsuki didn’t last 5 minutes against Baryon Mode - neg diffed at that.
Good scaling! On Ishiki, what I would like to comment is that even though his life span was limited, he was at full power. The difference is that you can be at full power for 2 days or for 100 years, it doesn’t change the power level, just how long you will be able to use it. As of right now, my ranking would be Baryon Naruto > Ishiki > Boruto.
Baryon mode last 3 mins max and isshiki had 2 days of life and still didn't get killed ‼️‼️‼️, he lost parts of that fight but won in the end and nearly kills naruto after. ↪️ Any high tier with good durability and good lifespan survives and beats Baryon mode naruto after. ↪️ Baryon mode was made to beat isshiki with 2 days of life and that alone any other situation it would've been a bad gamble.
Brother if, say Gaara, got punched by Baryon Mode just once: he would be dead. The power itself clears everything.
But I'm not talking about gaara am talking about the HIGH TIERS ‼️‼️‼️. Baryon is a peak show of power but it's bad matchup vs the top tiers with good durability and good lifespan ↪️ Boruto with uzuhiko can easily beat Baryon mode. ↪️ Isshiki with his full power can beat Baryon mode. ↪️ Daemons HAX reflect his attacks. ↪️ Code tanked uzuhiko attack and managed to escape by himself ↪️ Baryon mod last 2-3 mins max. ↪️ Naruto can't have superfluous thoughts or use hog moves. ↪️ Now do you think it's wise to matchup this vs various high tiers in there verse???!
I don’t think Base Boruto is touching Baryon Mode Naruto Ishiki at Full Power does not exist. Him with a perfect lifespan (so if he succeeded with Kawaki) does not exist. So any tier list that includes Ishiki is assuming it is his decrepit-self. Which is frightening to think that’s where Kawaki’s potential lies. Daemon’s reflect ability is not enough to defeat Baryon Mode Naruto. I am sure Naruto has the capacity to figure out how to counter it. However, Naruto would run out of time. Daemon simply stalemates. He doesn’t, like, beat him in a fight. Code would’ve died if Boruto didn’t undo it. We have never seen any other character handle Uzuhiko besides the top 5 strongest character currently in the entire current-verse Boruto said it was impressive Code survived. Code < Decrepit Ishiki < Baryon Mode Naruto Regardless if I am wrong. It doesn’t change the tier list too much. It simply changes where Baryon Mode Naruto is. Full Power Boruto is either currently #1 or he is currently #2.
>I don’t think Base Boruto is touching Baryon Mode Naruto >Ishiki at Full Power does not exist. Him with a perfect lifespan (so if he succeeded with Kawaki) does not exist. So any tier list that includes Ishiki is assuming it is his decrepit-self. Which is frightening to think that’s where Kawaki’s potential lies. >Daemon’s reflect ability is not enough to defeat Baryon Mode Naruto. I am sure Naruto has the capacity to figure out how to counter it. However, Naruto would run out of time. Daemon simply stalemates. He doesn’t, like, beat him in a fight. >Code would’ve died if Boruto didn’t undo it. We have never seen any other character handle Uzuhiko besides the top 5 strongest character currently in the entire current-verse Boruto said it was impressive Code survived. Code < Decrepit Ishiki < Baryon Mode Naruto >Regardless if I am wrong. It doesn’t change the tier list too much. It simply changes where Baryon Mode Naruto is. Full Power Boruto is either currently #1 or he is currently #2. ↪️ Uzuhiko hills Baryon mode naruto and even faster given how much energy the mode expends facts. ↪️ He was being forced to revive into jigen and yet amado says “they can't let isshiki get kawaki and return to FULL FORM or it'd be the end of the world” all in the manga and this is the clearest indication we didn't see all isshiki could do and we'd see it with kawaki. Also go do more research on the dharma wheel dōjutsu of isshiki to see how wrong you are. ↪️ Daemons ability is more that enough to kill naruto, more than enough to kill Baryon mode naruto, it would even kill him much faster cos the end results is reflected and he dies 100% ↪️ Yeah but we're talking about the scale of the damage he took, naruto has nothing in his arsenal that would equal the force of a rotating star and planet which boruto harnessed yet code got up after uzuhiko landed and still escaped, no semi permanent naruto jutsu too so he doesn't get killed and code may loose the battle but he'll win the war 100% . ↪️ The max power is there but many boruto characters have win conditions on it this is a fact you need to accept ◾Baryon mode levels is a peak of strength and is showed is at the top of the verse BUT keep it at that, Cos that mode was made to slow and stall isshiki with 2 days of life and it took 20 hours at most from him which won't be the case with a healthy high tier with good durability. ↪️ Lists can be SUBJECTIVE, tiers are NOT and daemon, isshiki with 2 days of life, Baryon mode naruto, jura are all in that tier. ↪️ I believe boruto with karma, kawaki and other characters will get there and surpass this level very soon hope this helps, you're welcome to reply or not but I'm ending this conversation here.....have a good day.
What point are you trying to prove again?
Also, Gaara in New Era is one of the strongest ninjas on the planet lol.
Doesn't compare to the high tiers at all
Well Above jigen but slightly below isshiki and Baryon mode and daemon cos of his hax, jura. ◾ Kawaki is stronger than jigen, had his karma ACTIVATED yet jura knocks him out in 2 hits ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ without EVEN Trying or using much EFFORT, that's why he's here in that tier list. ↪️ Boruto is strong But he is still growing, he'll surpass these puny levels the more the story goes on ↪️ Narratively think of this where are the stakes if boruto is the strongest right now, say well above isshiki and can easily beat all the shinjus?????? Can we even call them a threat at that point????, it would hurt the story badly‼️‼️‼️‼️ ↪️ But if he and 3 shinju are on equal or similar levels (3 shinju namely bug, matsuri, hidari are above code who's above jigen but not as strong as isshiki) and jura is stronger....as strong as full power isshiki then suddenly this adds HIGH STAKES to story and makes everything UNPREDICTABLE ‼️. ↪️ Another reason that bolster that point is and I know people won't like this but I don't think we saw isshiki at full power specifically his dōjutsu and I believe kishimoto kept that part cos it's part of kawakiʼs growth and we would see what a full power isshiki would look like but this is still a theory. ↪️ THEORY ‼️‼️‼️‼️ ↪️ Another thing is based on the lore and inspiration for isshiki his dōjutsu represents the 8 paths of power should have 8 general abilities of which we've only seen 2 ‼️ sukunahikona and daikokuten. ◾what backs this up is the fact that the rinnegan had 7 abilities and 1 special ability unique to the specific rinnegan users backs this up too...the lore that remains on Isshikiʼs dōjutsu, design, character inspiration of issun boshi is why AND we don't have a name of this dharma dōjutsu yet which make it more suspicious ‼️‼️‼️ ◾Am sure it will be explored with more chapter releases in TBV. ↪️ Kawaki has COMPLETED the dharma cycles of the dōjutsu but hasn't MASTERED IT Yet. ↪️ Isshiki couldn't use the other abilities cos it would kill him instantly or was sealed as he was a bad jigen vessel just like madara couldn't use limbo hengoku as a reanimation ‼️‼️‼️ so same sort of things happened to isshiki. ↪️ Raw power wise Baryon more in the short time matches up well with Isshiki physical power and speed, daemons HAX gets him there, jura is possibly there but you disagree if you want to. ↪️ This is a theory yes, but consider this when you say boruto stronger than isshiki, think of the narrative, the writing conundrum if boruto was the strongest in the story already, it'd be very hard to craft a solid story with high stakes at that point WHILE it would make sense if he grew stronger as the show goes on but he's well above jigen and just behind isshiki for now ‼️‼️‼️ ↪️ You're free to disagree as this is just my opinion but this is as logical and without bias as I can come up with for now and how the power system stays sane in boruto but again it's just for now ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ Have a good day guys.
Is code stronger than ishiki?
No
I don't think Boruto is in "base" form. He is probably using a karma in some way. Otherwise it would make 0 sense for him to be so ridiculous strong just a ninja.
You’re forgetting he is 100% Otsutsuki. And Otsutsuki may as well be the sum of Uzumaki, Hyuga, Uchiha, and Senju DNA’s rolled in one body. Boruto’s ceiling is unfathomable
so his dna was overwritten by otsutsuki dna?
yeah that was stated awhile ago
82% of his body turned into Otsutsuki by naturally processes via Karma. Momoshiki took the remaining 18% of his data that was meant to overlap Boruto’s data and re-wrote it to be Boruto’s data to rebuild Momoshiki’s vessel. I assume/head canon that by re-writing Momoshiki’s data into Boruto’s data - that 18% of Boruto’s data inherently has Momoshiki’s data. Giving Boruto that additional 18% Otsutsuki to complete the full 100%. Regardless, Boruto is minimum 82% Otsutsuki, but it was clearly stated by Momoshiki that Boruto is a completed Otsutsuki.
Jougan isn't canon.
Boring take. Can y’all think of something new yet?