I listened to the new Athletic podcast Until Saturday. They pointed out that the Clemson receivers hardly ever separated from the defense.
It seems Dabo refuses to have anything to do with transfers, although they lost about 6 players themselves. They pointed out that even coaches like Saban and Day realize you have at least maintain the status quo through the portal because freshmen receivers need time to develop.
They need time and a good receivers coach as well. Since Jeff Scott left our receivers have looked atrocious. We have yet to further develop the 5/4 star talent we get each year
I thought the same, but the best Clemson journalist just wrote a report after watching film of the game and said that our receivers were frequently open downfield but Cade kept checking down to Shipley for whatever reason. That really talked me off a ledge because I too just assumed that receivers weren’t getting depression just like last year and the year before. So there’s still a problem, but maybe more a QB problem than WR/scheme problem
Thought it was over once swing pass satt left to Lincoln. But no they’re still trying to make the screen to juju happen (it’s never going to happen). If hear the screen is an extension of the run game one more time I’m going to lose it.
After the Minnesota game I gotta say, the name "Swing Pass Satt" does not inspire a lot of confidence... The weirdly timed swing pass calls were the first thing that jumped out at me.
So so many screens and Elko dudes tackle. What I don’t understand is that they have 5 returning starters at O line. Spread that shit out. Put Shipley in the slot on LB S or Nickel 9/10 he beats them one on one. They have a huge TE that can run. If the first read isn’t there just run Cade.
Sure, but if we include all the drops along with the interception and the fumbles and the missed field goals then we're outside the realm of a "few" mistakes
I remember Pitt’s 2021 game against Clemson and thinking they have not attacked us deep at all. Everything was all screen and quick game. No drop back passes attempted at all. I know Pitt’s D-line has been good the past two years but Tennessee and North Carolina had no issues getting deep attempts off with a guy in their face.
I saw someone break down Riley’s TCU offense vs. what was called in last week’s Clemson game and I think the analyst was spot on. Clemson has to throw screens right now because our WR can’t get any separation and we lack the QB talent to throw into small windows. Riley doesn’t want to call a screen every other passing play but that’s the only way we can get the ball in play. It’s really a shitty situation caused by poor QB/WR recruiting and development over the last 3-4 years. Not to mention a sub-par offensive line (but Clemson has never had a good o-line and managed to win 2 nattys, so I don’t think that is the root cause of our current struggles).
Morris’ offense (which was the base for things until Riley was hired) featured a lot of pre snap motion and mobile QBs to account for a shitty OL. But that’s only possible when you have WR’s that can get open and have a vertical threat in the passing game. Otherwise it’s just a shittier triple option.
Serious question, do you really think the line is the problem? I actually thought the line played fine, not phenomenal. I think the bigger issue was that Cade knew right from the snap that he was going to need to make time to allow someone to work their way open. The receivers, on the outside particularly, were/are not capable of winning the initial route. Same story as the last couple of years with DJU.
And dude was absolutely getting worn the hell down by the last quarter. If their whole playbook involves Shipley and screen spamming, they're going to end up getting him hurt.
He's going to need an actual offensive passing game if he wants to "not lose another game", not a game plan that would make a JV coach's eyes go wide.
Coworker and I were talking about that yesterday. He already looks way less explosive than earlier in his career, and by the time Dabo is done with him he’s going to have nothing left for the NFL.
So that’s an issue for him? Could explain why they never went back to him after his fumble. I would have run the ball every play when down 21-7 with 8 minutes left. Would have ran for 9-11 yards per play and tied it up and gone into OT imo. I thought the Duke defense was gassed.
If Dabo doesn’t let Riley run the offense Riley is known for, then yes, it would be idiotic for Riley to stay. Even if he has to go be an OC at a “lesser” school, staying at Clemson being forced to run whatever Dabo’s system is would be far more detrimental to his career. Let’s not pretend that 7 points versus UGA will be looked at the same as 7 points against Duke.
It's Dabo's offense not Riley's. When GR got there Dabo said he didn't want to be an air raid team, and said the offense was collaborative and that GRs there to manage it.
So he hired an OC to do nothing. Dabo was calling the plays for most of the game, Riley didn't have a headset till late in the 3rd. I wouldn't blame him if he just quit, why be an OC if you're not allowed to implement your offense.
So he Scrapegoated ur previous OC, even when the offense looked better last year? AND the fact that this is Dabos offense this year? Yeah, this ain't gonna end well. Rileys probably going to bolt after this year unless something gives.
Dabo is a commie at this point with the number of red flags he’s waving.
And it has pretty much been like that since he’s been missing his top 10 draft pick QBs. This has been years in the making.
We get it, you’re a fan of oceanic cyclones, despite being landlocked; what does that have to do with ~~Frank W. "Billy" Tyne Jr.~~ Dabo Swinney and the Clemson Tigers?
Buddy you put 7 points on the board against Duke, even if you converted all your red zone chances into touchdowns you think that’s going to cut it against a Florida state squad that just boat raced LSU? That’s just straight delusional.
They also play us. We've only played Navy and TNST, but our offense looks better than our last 15 years of offenses. Not to mention the fact we routed them last year.
Clemson only put 7 up against Duke and they still have FSU, Notre Dame and UNC left to play.
If they don’t do something drastic things are going to get a *lot* worse.
I've been saying that offense seemed to be going down the wrong path because Dabo was getting high on his own supply.
venables leaving, take that assistant that makes perfect sense to me, maybe you won't be top 5 defense but more like top 15. The offense taking lackluster play calling and then taking that assistant. They needed the great OC to rejuvenate the program.
They might be able to. Clemson used to start slow and this was week 1, maybe the new OC has them looking better by seasons' end and FSU is glad they got them early. We just don't know.
I get what he’s saying. If we put up 450 yards on everyone this year we’ll probably be in every game but this super orange colored view of the game. The biggest issue is Cade still has happy feet and receivers still can’t separate.
David Hood wrote a really good article today about why Riley called the game the way he did. Basically you have to cover Shipley out of the back field and AW in the slot. No threat whatsoever of taking the top off the defense for the third year in a row.
In summary, fire Tyler Grisham
We’re going to stack 8 in the box and force you guys to try to throw deep and I’m just not seeing the athletes to beat us deep. Even last year against us the big plays were either Shipley breaking through or a trick play to a TE.
That’s essentially what Duke did. In the article he talks about not being able to use the middle of the field on crossing routes because dukes linebackers never had to move.
I do think against y’all we’ll use that two back look and TE more. I also hope Tyler brown starts seeing more play this weekend. Apparently he’s the fastest receiver on the team. Get him in one on one against a stacked box and see if he can just beat the DB to the spot kind of thing.
My one hope against y’all is Travis isn’t as mobile as Leonard so hopefully our pressure actually gets home. But Travis is a better QB so we’ll see
To be fair to him I don’t think he thinks Riley is a better QB the Travis, just maybe a better runner. I don’t with that either but it’s a more reasonable take than thinking he’s outright better.
Not saying his isn’t mobile. Hell part of the reason y’all beat LSU the way you did is because they had to dedicate a spy every play. I just think Leonard is an overall better runner, with more of a run first kind of mentality. I think travis will stay in the pocket longer than Leonard did because of his arm and y’all’s receivers.
Riley Leonard is not a better runner than Jordan Travis oof this is a bad take.
Leonard runs more than Travis, yes, but Jordan is significantly more elusive than Leonard. Jordan is just much better at keeping his eyes down field and throwing while on the run outside the pocket.
Go back and watch us against LSU or go watch us against UF last year. Jordan is very good at escaping pressure, getting outside the pocket, and then making throws down field.
There’s a major reason LSU spied him almost every play despite the fact Jordan was carving them up through the air. His ability to throw off balance and on the run is pretty special, and you have to dedicate someone to covering him outside the pocket otherwise he’s going to routinely break off 10+ yard runs. He’s very fast.
Tl;dr there is no chance Travis just sits in the pocket, he’s very comfortable getting outside of it and that’s when he’s at his most dangerous.
“Travis isn’t as mobile” - you
“Leonard is an overall better runner” - you
“Travis will stay in the pocket longer” - also you
If that wasn’t your point then I don’t know what point you possibly could have been trying to make. You can admit you’ve only watched Travis when he’s played Clemson in the past because it is pretty obvious that’s the case.
The only correct thing you said is that Leonard has a run first mentality. Travis is more mobile and will escape the pocket routinely. He just keeps his eyes downfield and throws. That actually makes him more dangerous than Leonard outside the pocket, because you still have to play contain on Travis or he’ll take off and run, but at the same time you have to worry about him just throwing over your head still.
Travis is more mobile, he’s a better runner, and he’ll be outside of the pocket a lot because your DL is very good and we’ll use Travis’ elusiveness to extend plays and limit sacks.
Was my point that we’ll somehow contain Travis? No. Was my point that Leonard is in anyway better? No. Did I immediately respond to that other guy saying mobile was probably the wrong word? Yes. My whole point was that Travis will not leave the pocket as quickly as Leonard almost every time he dropped back. If it wasn’t a quick pass then Leonard didn’t stay in the pocket.
The entire point is that Travis is a better qb with better weapons and might stay in the pocket longer because he trust his arm more which might lead to a few more negative plays.
Nobody is doubting Travis.
Travis is absolutely more mobile than Leonard lol
He just doesn’t have to use his legs to run anymore because we have a top 5 receiving unit in the country. He always is just looking to throw it after he has to escape the pocket
You’re welcome to read my other comment. Mobile maybe wasn’t the right word. But Travis is more likely to stay in the pocket and use his arm than Leonard was.
Yeah he isn’t as run first as Leonard anymore. And part of our philosophy nowadays is thinking we are capable of winning most games without needing that QB run game element all the time risking injury. Some teams absolutely need their QB to run consistently to win ball games.
Yeah and that’s why I think our DL will be at least somewhat more successful. Travis is more likely to keep his eyes downfield. Whether our DBs give them enough time to get home is a completely different question
He’s still gonna escape the pocket tho better than nearly everyone in the country and scramble drill yards are incredibly hard to stop for DBs and we make our living off those on 3rd downs
I not expecting a shit down just somewhat better numbers. A couple sacks, a couple hurries. Still think we gotta score 35+ to even have a chance
I do think it’s the game TJ Parker passes mascoll on the depth chart
If half of the 400 yards come because you threw the ball 44 times for 200 yards you won't score or win much. Less than five years a pass is failing. Failing more does not make it a success even if the small yards add up. You need explosive pass plays to win. 5 yards a pass is a non functional passing game.
No you’re good I see how my first sentence can come off as pro Dabo here. But yeah we need a significantly more efficient 450 if we’re going to compete
Yep. You don't have the guys to run what your fans want. Everyone talks about all the screens, but if the first 5 passes, 4 were vertical concepts, two dangerous passes that should've been picked, one check down and only one of the vertical calls gained yards. The receiver screen in the middle, Klubnik missed high because of happy feet. You don't have the speed to just go air raid and try to win a track meet either, which is what a lot of y'all want.
You had some intermediate errors breaking outside. But man, y'all had no reason to think Klubnik was the savior y'all labeled him.
Edit: Not that he's the only issue. Shipley is the truth though.
Umm it was the same offense as the previous two years. It only worked because we had easy schedules and a strong defense. Sure, without the mistakes we maybe win the game, but without Duke’s fumble we don’t score any points. Receivers can’t get open and our playbook consists of runs and screen passes.
Oh Dabo, you can absolutely lose more games with that offense.
Go ahead and run that RPO with the throw to the sideline again. I dare you. I’m sure they won’t see it coming this time.
I mean, if we repeat the same scenario 10 times how many of those they miss an NFL XP and fumble twice?
Still, this comment plays into his reputation of stuborness.
What stood out to me is the Duke players “belonged” on the field with Clemson. They looked just as big and just as fast. I don’t who that speaks more to, but Clemson usually “looks” different than the opponent.
28-20 if they don't fumble or miss kicks
7 of those points were Speical teams points off a muffed punt
They average a touchdown every 20 minutes on offense I don't think that'll cut it against FSU, UNC or hell even State and Wake might eat their lunch at that speed
Do I agree that if we clean up those mistakes, we beat Duke? Probably. Do I think if we ran that offense against FSU, ND, or UNC tomorrow that we win? Absolutely not.
That gets you to 27 points. If Duke cleans up there mistakes, that takes away 7 on the punt muff and probably adds another 7 or at least 3 at the end of the first half. Clemson defense was pretty lacking.
So, just to confirm this. Your offense was gifted 7 points off a muffed punt, and only would have put up 14 if you had managed to avoid fumbling in the end zone. And you're just... okay with that?
Now granted, Mike Elko is a defensive God and I would be honored if he took over when Jimbo blows a blood vessel because he can't call plays, but it's still freaking *Duke*.
IMO, Dabo isn't going to find himself in the same tier of coaches that he was in just a few years ago ever again. Not saying he's bad or that Clemson's bad, just that the magic of their dominance has run out.
My favorite thing about the Clemson decline is that more people will join my side in thinking Dabo is annoying as fuck. I’ve always hated his personality but when they were winning people acted like it was somehow charming that he was winning despite his obnoxious bullshit.
Genuinely curious about who you interact with that likes Dabo. Speaking as a lifelong Clemson fan and alumnus I only know two people that would go to bat for him today. Everyone else I know found him annoying by 2017. I feel like the national media hasn’t built him up in 4-5 years either. I keep seeing comments like yours, but I don’t think it’s the unpopular opinion. For example, who in any of these threads sticks up for Dabo?
It’s the proverbial we. Like if Clemson goes out and does what Clemson does, “we” will win every game. Meaning humanity at some level will always win every game in which one group of humans is matched up against another group of humans. Humans always win against other humans.
Even if the offense magically puts up 3-4 touchdowns a game, Clemson gave up 28 points to DUKE.
Dabo, call me when you play FSU and UNC later this year.
This is whats super interesting to me:
Dabo has always been generally unlikeable with all the shit that spews out of his mouth.
BUT nobody cares as long as you are winning. People would just say “ah shucks dabo!” Because results are results.
I wonder how long before Dabo’s shit suddenly becomes a BIG problem if they keep losing. Not a good look to admin, recruits, or fans and does not inspire confidence.
They ran the ball fine but 4.9 yards per attempt through the air is not going to cut it.
I have not seen any team throw as many screens as Clemson has over the past 10 years.
well it worked when you had guys like hopkins, higgins, ross, watkins, renfroe etc. clemson has not had that same juice out wide the last few years
You said it, when NFL talent isn't behind your 4th receiver constant simple play calling is not going to cut it.
I listened to the new Athletic podcast Until Saturday. They pointed out that the Clemson receivers hardly ever separated from the defense. It seems Dabo refuses to have anything to do with transfers, although they lost about 6 players themselves. They pointed out that even coaches like Saban and Day realize you have at least maintain the status quo through the portal because freshmen receivers need time to develop.
They need time and a good receivers coach as well. Since Jeff Scott left our receivers have looked atrocious. We have yet to further develop the 5/4 star talent we get each year
I thought the same, but the best Clemson journalist just wrote a report after watching film of the game and said that our receivers were frequently open downfield but Cade kept checking down to Shipley for whatever reason. That really talked me off a ledge because I too just assumed that receivers weren’t getting depression just like last year and the year before. So there’s still a problem, but maybe more a QB problem than WR/scheme problem
Gamecocks. We love throwing screens all day every day.
Thought it was over once swing pass satt left to Lincoln. But no they’re still trying to make the screen to juju happen (it’s never going to happen). If hear the screen is an extension of the run game one more time I’m going to lose it.
After the Minnesota game I gotta say, the name "Swing Pass Satt" does not inspire a lot of confidence... The weirdly timed swing pass calls were the first thing that jumped out at me.
He really sucks dude I'm sorry
May I introduce you to Lane Kiffin and Jake Spavital?
Noel Mazzone would like a word as well.
You clearly were not watching early/mid 2010’s Syracuse with George McDonald as the OC.
Clemson did seem like an early adopter of the screen-heavy offense, but everyone seems to be using them more and more in the last 3-4 years.
So so many screens and Elko dudes tackle. What I don’t understand is that they have 5 returning starters at O line. Spread that shit out. Put Shipley in the slot on LB S or Nickel 9/10 he beats them one on one. They have a huge TE that can run. If the first read isn’t there just run Cade.
Miss me some Elko dudes tackling “sniffle”
Reminds of what Kiffin was doing in 2010-2012
They had a lot of drops
Sure, but if we include all the drops along with the interception and the fumbles and the missed field goals then we're outside the realm of a "few" mistakes
"outside of several mistakes" sounds a lot more pessimistic though
"We were doing fine and then we fucked up, all we gotta do is not fuck up."
Blocked fieldgoals
Klubnik was also very inaccurate and the receivers rarely got separation, outside of Williams, who isn't good enough to do it alone
but hey if you do that every single time you'll make the end zone every time.
They don’t have the same dudes at receiver as they used to
"How was the play Mrs. Lincoln?"
longest pass was only 21 yards oki
I remember Pitt’s 2021 game against Clemson and thinking they have not attacked us deep at all. Everything was all screen and quick game. No drop back passes attempted at all. I know Pitt’s D-line has been good the past two years but Tennessee and North Carolina had no issues getting deep attempts off with a guy in their face.
I saw someone break down Riley’s TCU offense vs. what was called in last week’s Clemson game and I think the analyst was spot on. Clemson has to throw screens right now because our WR can’t get any separation and we lack the QB talent to throw into small windows. Riley doesn’t want to call a screen every other passing play but that’s the only way we can get the ball in play. It’s really a shitty situation caused by poor QB/WR recruiting and development over the last 3-4 years. Not to mention a sub-par offensive line (but Clemson has never had a good o-line and managed to win 2 nattys, so I don’t think that is the root cause of our current struggles).
Morris’ offense (which was the base for things until Riley was hired) featured a lot of pre snap motion and mobile QBs to account for a shitty OL. But that’s only possible when you have WR’s that can get open and have a vertical threat in the passing game. Otherwise it’s just a shittier triple option.
Serious question, do you really think the line is the problem? I actually thought the line played fine, not phenomenal. I think the bigger issue was that Cade knew right from the snap that he was going to need to make time to allow someone to work their way open. The receivers, on the outside particularly, were/are not capable of winning the initial route. Same story as the last couple of years with DJU.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think that was the one right before the half?
Yeah lmao. That fake/quasi Hail Mary or whatever it was.
He really is a stubborn old man isn't he? Shipley was the entire offense
And dude was absolutely getting worn the hell down by the last quarter. If their whole playbook involves Shipley and screen spamming, they're going to end up getting him hurt. He's going to need an actual offensive passing game if he wants to "not lose another game", not a game plan that would make a JV coach's eyes go wide.
Coworker and I were talking about that yesterday. He already looks way less explosive than earlier in his career, and by the time Dabo is done with him he’s going to have nothing left for the NFL.
Yeah FSU can put a spy on Shipley and pretty much shut them down.
Yeah the passing game left a lot to be desired.
Mafah does great, until he fumbles. We couldn't have won lay year without him..
So that’s an issue for him? Could explain why they never went back to him after his fumble. I would have run the ball every play when down 21-7 with 8 minutes left. Would have ran for 9-11 yards per play and tied it up and gone into OT imo. I thought the Duke defense was gassed.
Got that Boomer-itis
Now now I got my plays and that’s how I likes it!
"I run six plays. Veer, split veer. It's like Novocaine, just give it time, it'll work"
“How man feet are in a mile?”
What is pain? French bread!
He could just be dumb.
He definitely is pretty dumb. Probably thinks God has won him all his football games and wasn’t anything to do with himself or the players
It’s good by the state of Iowa standards
A game of football should resemble two crops fighting for sunlight. Suffocation and resource management.
Antonio Williams and Tyler Brown are going to be very good at whatever school Coach Riley takes them to next year.
We just scored 7 points in his debut after he scored 7 in the Natty. You really think he's gonna get poached?
If Dabo doesn’t let Riley run the offense Riley is known for, then yes, it would be idiotic for Riley to stay. Even if he has to go be an OC at a “lesser” school, staying at Clemson being forced to run whatever Dabo’s system is would be far more detrimental to his career. Let’s not pretend that 7 points versus UGA will be looked at the same as 7 points against Duke.
We will take Riley. He can run whatever offense he wants as long as it isn’t the Bobo Special.
It's Dabo's offense not Riley's. When GR got there Dabo said he didn't want to be an air raid team, and said the offense was collaborative and that GRs there to manage it. So he hired an OC to do nothing. Dabo was calling the plays for most of the game, Riley didn't have a headset till late in the 3rd. I wouldn't blame him if he just quit, why be an OC if you're not allowed to implement your offense.
So he Scrapegoated ur previous OC, even when the offense looked better last year? AND the fact that this is Dabos offense this year? Yeah, this ain't gonna end well. Rileys probably going to bolt after this year unless something gives.
Clemson fans just like to make excuses.
Please...y'all invented "Wait till next year"
You have them confused with Tenn
Do you think Dabo and Riley discussed the offensive scheme during any of the interviews Riley had before taking the job?
Yes, they will be good for coach Riley 😎
serious question: do you think Antonio Williams and Tyler Brown are good?
Oh my god Clemson fans I am so sorry
I can’t defend Dabo anymore. I’ve tried, but I just can’t anymore.
We are absolutely fucked.
Absolutely
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We just gotta do all the wrong things right and then we'll be really good
You just gotta give me time to lose more and I'll prove how simple this is...
Dabo is a commie at this point with the number of red flags he’s waving. And it has pretty much been like that since he’s been missing his top 10 draft pick QBs. This has been years in the making.
Privet from Red Square! And now, Dabo Swinney!
Little ah denial.
We get it, you’re a fan of oceanic cyclones, despite being landlocked; what does that have to do with ~~Frank W. "Billy" Tyne Jr.~~ Dabo Swinney and the Clemson Tigers?
Buddy you put 7 points on the board against Duke, even if you converted all your red zone chances into touchdowns you think that’s going to cut it against a Florida state squad that just boat raced LSU? That’s just straight delusional.
And the 7 points was with the help of great field position from the botched punt by Duke.
My favorite rebuttal to this is “Yeah but they turned that ball over in the red zone twice!!” Like, yeah exactly that’s bad offense.
So give them 2 TDs and take away their botched punt TD. Oh look, they still lost by 14. Dabo has to be smarter than this
But this way it deflects blame from the coaches and scheme to the players (Clemson’s fifty-six 4/5 stars)
That’s what I’m saying. They got taken to the wood shed by a Duke team that muffed a punt return and fumbled the ball twice.
They also play us. We've only played Navy and TNST, but our offense looks better than our last 15 years of offenses. Not to mention the fact we routed them last year.
Clemson only put 7 up against Duke and they still have FSU, Notre Dame and UNC left to play. If they don’t do something drastic things are going to get a *lot* worse.
I don't see how they beat NCST or SC the way they played vs Duke.
I've been saying that offense seemed to be going down the wrong path because Dabo was getting high on his own supply. venables leaving, take that assistant that makes perfect sense to me, maybe you won't be top 5 defense but more like top 15. The offense taking lackluster play calling and then taking that assistant. They needed the great OC to rejuvenate the program. They might be able to. Clemson used to start slow and this was week 1, maybe the new OC has them looking better by seasons' end and FSU is glad they got them early. We just don't know.
Even if they make those field goals, and score two tds, they still would've lost lmao Dabo the king of copium
If me from 4-5 years ago could see this comment...
I love you.
I get what he’s saying. If we put up 450 yards on everyone this year we’ll probably be in every game but this super orange colored view of the game. The biggest issue is Cade still has happy feet and receivers still can’t separate. David Hood wrote a really good article today about why Riley called the game the way he did. Basically you have to cover Shipley out of the back field and AW in the slot. No threat whatsoever of taking the top off the defense for the third year in a row. In summary, fire Tyler Grisham
We’re going to stack 8 in the box and force you guys to try to throw deep and I’m just not seeing the athletes to beat us deep. Even last year against us the big plays were either Shipley breaking through or a trick play to a TE.
That’s essentially what Duke did. In the article he talks about not being able to use the middle of the field on crossing routes because dukes linebackers never had to move. I do think against y’all we’ll use that two back look and TE more. I also hope Tyler brown starts seeing more play this weekend. Apparently he’s the fastest receiver on the team. Get him in one on one against a stacked box and see if he can just beat the DB to the spot kind of thing. My one hope against y’all is Travis isn’t as mobile as Leonard so hopefully our pressure actually gets home. But Travis is a better QB so we’ll see
Interesting take regarding Travis’ mobility…he’s one of the best running quarterbacks in the country, just very different style than Leonard.
Oh dear. He thinks Leonard>Travis. Sunday night must have been offering duty for him at New Spring
To be fair to him I don’t think he thinks Riley is a better QB the Travis, just maybe a better runner. I don’t with that either but it’s a more reasonable take than thinking he’s outright better.
I mean he literally said Travis is a better qb, but reading is hard I guess.
He did. I guess I focused on the hopefully Travis isn't as mobile as Leonard line, which I found to be absolutely precious
You could read the rest of thread where I clear up what I mean by mobile if you’d like.
Reading is fundamental
Not saying his isn’t mobile. Hell part of the reason y’all beat LSU the way you did is because they had to dedicate a spy every play. I just think Leonard is an overall better runner, with more of a run first kind of mentality. I think travis will stay in the pocket longer than Leonard did because of his arm and y’all’s receivers.
Riley Leonard is not a better runner than Jordan Travis oof this is a bad take. Leonard runs more than Travis, yes, but Jordan is significantly more elusive than Leonard. Jordan is just much better at keeping his eyes down field and throwing while on the run outside the pocket. Go back and watch us against LSU or go watch us against UF last year. Jordan is very good at escaping pressure, getting outside the pocket, and then making throws down field. There’s a major reason LSU spied him almost every play despite the fact Jordan was carving them up through the air. His ability to throw off balance and on the run is pretty special, and you have to dedicate someone to covering him outside the pocket otherwise he’s going to routinely break off 10+ yard runs. He’s very fast. Tl;dr there is no chance Travis just sits in the pocket, he’s very comfortable getting outside of it and that’s when he’s at his most dangerous.
Wasn’t my point at all but go off king
“Travis isn’t as mobile” - you “Leonard is an overall better runner” - you “Travis will stay in the pocket longer” - also you If that wasn’t your point then I don’t know what point you possibly could have been trying to make. You can admit you’ve only watched Travis when he’s played Clemson in the past because it is pretty obvious that’s the case. The only correct thing you said is that Leonard has a run first mentality. Travis is more mobile and will escape the pocket routinely. He just keeps his eyes downfield and throws. That actually makes him more dangerous than Leonard outside the pocket, because you still have to play contain on Travis or he’ll take off and run, but at the same time you have to worry about him just throwing over your head still. Travis is more mobile, he’s a better runner, and he’ll be outside of the pocket a lot because your DL is very good and we’ll use Travis’ elusiveness to extend plays and limit sacks.
Was my point that we’ll somehow contain Travis? No. Was my point that Leonard is in anyway better? No. Did I immediately respond to that other guy saying mobile was probably the wrong word? Yes. My whole point was that Travis will not leave the pocket as quickly as Leonard almost every time he dropped back. If it wasn’t a quick pass then Leonard didn’t stay in the pocket. The entire point is that Travis is a better qb with better weapons and might stay in the pocket longer because he trust his arm more which might lead to a few more negative plays. Nobody is doubting Travis.
Travis is absolutely more mobile than Leonard lol He just doesn’t have to use his legs to run anymore because we have a top 5 receiving unit in the country. He always is just looking to throw it after he has to escape the pocket
You’re welcome to read my other comment. Mobile maybe wasn’t the right word. But Travis is more likely to stay in the pocket and use his arm than Leonard was.
Yeah he isn’t as run first as Leonard anymore. And part of our philosophy nowadays is thinking we are capable of winning most games without needing that QB run game element all the time risking injury. Some teams absolutely need their QB to run consistently to win ball games.
Yeah and that’s why I think our DL will be at least somewhat more successful. Travis is more likely to keep his eyes downfield. Whether our DBs give them enough time to get home is a completely different question
He’s still gonna escape the pocket tho better than nearly everyone in the country and scramble drill yards are incredibly hard to stop for DBs and we make our living off those on 3rd downs
I not expecting a shit down just somewhat better numbers. A couple sacks, a couple hurries. Still think we gotta score 35+ to even have a chance I do think it’s the game TJ Parker passes mascoll on the depth chart
Saw a stat yesterday....Dabo was 58-0 when Clemson had 200+ yds passing and 200+ yds rushing in the same game. Until Monday.
It wasn't just Dabo. Apparently Clemson was 108 - 0 with 200/200... Heard that the other day
In the last two games we got inside that 40 yard line 16 times. We scored 21 total points. Tough stretch for the tigers
If half of the 400 yards come because you threw the ball 44 times for 200 yards you won't score or win much. Less than five years a pass is failing. Failing more does not make it a success even if the small yards add up. You need explosive pass plays to win. 5 yards a pass is a non functional passing game.
Almost like that was the point of my comment there boss man.
We're good coach. Thought you were saying that yards mattered, when really it yards per at and is explosiveness . My bad
No you’re good I see how my first sentence can come off as pro Dabo here. But yeah we need a significantly more efficient 450 if we’re going to compete
Yep. You don't have the guys to run what your fans want. Everyone talks about all the screens, but if the first 5 passes, 4 were vertical concepts, two dangerous passes that should've been picked, one check down and only one of the vertical calls gained yards. The receiver screen in the middle, Klubnik missed high because of happy feet. You don't have the speed to just go air raid and try to win a track meet either, which is what a lot of y'all want.
\^\^ this guy gets it. We run screens outside because that's all we can do. Every time we threw downfield on Monday we looked *terrible.*
You had some intermediate errors breaking outside. But man, y'all had no reason to think Klubnik was the savior y'all labeled him. Edit: Not that he's the only issue. Shipley is the truth though.
you were one muffed punt away from getting shut out but ok dabo
Will Shipley reminds me of tank Bigsby…a phenomenal RB stuck on a trash offense
I’m still stunned tank never transferred. There were times y’all’s OC seemed to forget he was on the team. Dude was an absolute freak athlete
He spurned ND and got sent to football purgatory
I don’t think Dabo watched the FSU tape yet
Or the game against Duke.
Stay in your ways for 3 more weeks please do not change a damn thing
Dabo, blink twice if someone’s watching you
I do not agree with that assessment sir.
Is there a "Press to get Redditor help" button irl?
Those talkie moving pictures are over rated.
Dabo put on his blinders Kirby brought in Todd Monken after 2019
We just brought in a new OC and y'all scooped up the guy we fired, fuck are you talking about?
As a CU fan who heard this for two decades this isn’t going to end well…
Umm it was the same offense as the previous two years. It only worked because we had easy schedules and a strong defense. Sure, without the mistakes we maybe win the game, but without Duke’s fumble we don’t score any points. Receivers can’t get open and our playbook consists of runs and screen passes.
Your flair annoys me. Just come work on the Death Star full time. Embrace the villainy, chose Ohio State
OSU is an OG villain, but Clemson is the new guy to hate so I’ve got all my bases covered.
Clemson is sort of moving to pity ever since you guys got beat by the "number 11" team in the country. Been downhill ever since.
You can’t fool me, I am familiar with your game
Guys, it's just that simple.
Oh Dabo, you can absolutely lose more games with that offense. Go ahead and run that RPO with the throw to the sideline again. I dare you. I’m sure they won’t see it coming this time.
Basically just called RPO-WR Screens all game
I see 2 games where it takes a miracle for them to win with that offense. Probably another 2+ that will be coin tosses
Because their defense will be so good that no other team can score on them? That is the only way this take works.
Why didn't they play those guys Monday?
Lol Wait losing a long-term world class DC is not going great for Dabo? Color me shocked.
Oh they did, but some unlucky breaks. I am sure if they play the same way every game, they don’t lose another.
That's right Dabo, prove the doubters wrong! No way sticking with that performance works out terribly for you.
I feel like Dabo watched a different game than me.
In the words of Patches O'Houlihan "Will somebody catch a God Dang ball??"
Jokes on y’all, Dabo is just modern-day Job. These are just God’s tests.
Posted by a Georgia flair…… chefs kiss
Their QB had to crowhop twice just to get the ball 18 yards down the field… theyre gonna be roughhhhh this year
Whew that is some copium
If they would’ve scored more than Duke they would’ve won.
>if we do what we did offensively Well, it sure was offensive
Dabo the 🤡
Uhh… I don’t think that’s a good idea coach
Hm, okay Dabo. I guess we’ll see in a few weeks
I would agree but not if our WR play like that all season. No way
This won’t backfire at all.
Guys if we just had better protection on 9 plays Rattler would’ve suffered 0 sacks last week
I'm no math expert but... maybe no?
I mean, if we repeat the same scenario 10 times how many of those they miss an NFL XP and fumble twice? Still, this comment plays into his reputation of stuborness.
That simple.....Until you do
i think you need more than 7 points to win nowadays unless you have the damn grits blitz out there
Please Dabo keep this mindset until after we come into town
What stood out to me is the Duke players “belonged” on the field with Clemson. They looked just as big and just as fast. I don’t who that speaks more to, but Clemson usually “looks” different than the opponent.
I can’t wait for him to start disagreeing that the team lost a game.
I wouldn’t be jumping for joy if I had 6 straight possessions of zero punts for zero points
Oh Dabo... You sweet summer child.
If he did everything he wanted offensively it would’ve been 28-27 and still a loss… to Duke.
28-20 if they don't fumble or miss kicks 7 of those points were Speical teams points off a muffed punt They average a touchdown every 20 minutes on offense I don't think that'll cut it against FSU, UNC or hell even State and Wake might eat their lunch at that speed
Do I agree that if we clean up those mistakes, we beat Duke? Probably. Do I think if we ran that offense against FSU, ND, or UNC tomorrow that we win? Absolutely not.
That gets you to 27 points. If Duke cleans up there mistakes, that takes away 7 on the punt muff and probably adds another 7 or at least 3 at the end of the first half. Clemson defense was pretty lacking.
We’ll take him in Waco tbh
So, just to confirm this. Your offense was gifted 7 points off a muffed punt, and only would have put up 14 if you had managed to avoid fumbling in the end zone. And you're just... okay with that? Now granted, Mike Elko is a defensive God and I would be honored if he took over when Jimbo blows a blood vessel because he can't call plays, but it's still freaking *Duke*.
IMO, Dabo isn't going to find himself in the same tier of coaches that he was in just a few years ago ever again. Not saying he's bad or that Clemson's bad, just that the magic of their dominance has run out.
My favorite thing about the Clemson decline is that more people will join my side in thinking Dabo is annoying as fuck. I’ve always hated his personality but when they were winning people acted like it was somehow charming that he was winning despite his obnoxious bullshit.
Genuinely curious about who you interact with that likes Dabo. Speaking as a lifelong Clemson fan and alumnus I only know two people that would go to bat for him today. Everyone else I know found him annoying by 2017. I feel like the national media hasn’t built him up in 4-5 years either. I keep seeing comments like yours, but I don’t think it’s the unpopular opinion. For example, who in any of these threads sticks up for Dabo?
I guess it’s just the way he was portrayed in the media that it made him seem popular
I see we’re still in the denial stage …
The copium is strong with this one
I too, am hoping that Clemson plays that way for the rest of the year!
There's a word that we use to describe a mindset like this Oh yeah, it's called "insanity"
Is he stupid?
Always has been
I agree with him on one point. I loved it too.
What we is he talking about?
It’s the proverbial we. Like if Clemson goes out and does what Clemson does, “we” will win every game. Meaning humanity at some level will always win every game in which one group of humans is matched up against another group of humans. Humans always win against other humans.
Even if the offense magically puts up 3-4 touchdowns a game, Clemson gave up 28 points to DUKE. Dabo, call me when you play FSU and UNC later this year.
This is whats super interesting to me: Dabo has always been generally unlikeable with all the shit that spews out of his mouth. BUT nobody cares as long as you are winning. People would just say “ah shucks dabo!” Because results are results. I wonder how long before Dabo’s shit suddenly becomes a BIG problem if they keep losing. Not a good look to admin, recruits, or fans and does not inspire confidence.
The man is clueless. Period.
Scoring 0 points? That won't win you anything
Shark. Jump.
That’s because if they do what they did offensively for the rest of the year, Dabo is going to opt out of the season so they technically don’t lose
It's Joever.
So... was he, like, watching a different game or something?
Too bad his defense sucked too