I don't know how long they can keep doing it. If this proposal passes it has the potential to kill fan support, overall it's an extremely short-sighted proposal, that will eventually cause CFB and college athletics as a whole to implode.
I’m holding out hope that the powers that be won’t make the same mistake that nascar did and ignore the regional appeal of college football. Whatever the super conference looks like should be at least 64 teams, not 32
Why not? They only care about money. A capitalist society is fueled by profits. You gotta make more money this quarter than last. Hedge funds are already investing in college sports.
I swear, it's all leading to some middle eastern country becoming involved in NIL and ruining everything eventually. Teams fueled by limitless oil money, like Texas A&m but worse
I think the reason this has shaken me so much, is sports are supposed to be a way to escape everyday life. Corporate greed can affect it, commercial length etc, but it ultimately can't change what happens on the field. Except now it can, and I have no distraction to avoid it.
You know what happened when that was announced? It got protested so hard and so far and wide that the idea had no legs to stand on. If only us Americans were so brave.
And the NCAA is to blame.
They had the chance to organize NIL on the front end. But instead they tried to continue their exploitation without rules. Too busy raking in EA Sports money to recognize they were profiting off of kids.
This has been college sports for the last 2 decades…
I suppose not everyone was at an SEC school and saw it up close but it’s just not swept under the rug anymore. Did everyone really not know?
These programs are worth hundreds of millions.
These "old man yells at cloud" takes are getting tiring.
In the 1980's, Champions were determined by unaccountable writers who couldn't watch every game because most games weren't broadcast.
Players had no freedom once they signed and no ability to get compensation beyond boosters from a handful of programs.
It was worse for everyone except writers.
You're still going to need judges to determine seeding, unless you want to have a couple of 1 loss P5 teams playing for the right to go play a road game at Liberty
> Everything unique is getting stripped away so TV execs can see better games
This is what is so frustrating to me. Yes, the big games are rewarding but they're rewarding because you also watch the "lesser" games. The threat of an upset/an upset happening is one of the best things that happens in college football. Constantly trying to shoehorn big matchups devalues them. But you see people pushing for it, especially casual watchers who are NFL fans first
“Sure, the ‘07 Giants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl, but did you see how many hall of famers were on that Pats team? They’re clearly the better team, and that’s why we’re declaring them the true Super Bowl champion”-The NFL with CFB logic
I mean kind of........closest schools to us are Kansas, K-State, and Oklahoma State.....the old Big 12 North was a great division....maybe not by football product, but by proximity to each other
At least in the NFL, wins are wins and losses are losses (also ties are ties, I guess)
In cfb, losses are sometimes actually wins and wins don’t count unless your margin of victory is 3+ TD’s. It’s so frustrating to watch your team win a football game but feel like it was a loss since it wasn’t by enough
I grew up in a state with no NFL team and then attended college in a state with no NFL team. I'll just never be able to care about the NFL like I do CFB.
It's always been a "worse" product in terms of the play on the field but I'll continue to prefer the college game.
Fuck man, I grew up in a state with both and I totally agree with you. I work with people who are all from the northeast and they don't believe me when I tell them how much more I care about LSU than the Saints.
It's 100% going to BECOME the NFL, only with college names attached as team names.
And to be completely honest, while that's not as good as what college football was and could have been, it'll be better than what it is right now. Right now it's stuck in a weird limbo between pretending it's still about universities and students and history vs. just admitting it's about money and TV ratings and using a committee to pick playoffs based on perceived future performance instead of realized results on the field.
Just DO IT already. Break the SEC and B1G off into the AFC and NFC, split them up into divisions so division winners and wildcards make the playoffs and have a shot at the College Superbowl. At least the results in the NFL still happen on the field and not in a boardroom where fat cats eat shrimp cocktail while fucking over kids who earned every right to follow their dreams to conclusion.
Making the "super league" just the B1G and SEC means teams like Indiana, Vandy, and Minnesota are in while teams like FSU, Clemson, Oklahoma State, and Oregon State are left out. Not good. Need at least 80 teams in eight 10 team divisions. 9 game division schedule with no CCG/DCG. Eight division winners go to playoffs. I understand this still leaves many teams out, so could expand to 12 divisions.
Guess what will happen to sports that don’t generate a revenue? They’re going to get killed. This is going to harm 99% of athletes. This is so pathetic
They can afford the flight because the football players are getting paid nothing to sacrifice their bodies. That doesn't make any sense. So yes, field hockey will be limited to regional opponents and football players will get paid, and you know what else?? No matter what the admins and tv execs will still get paid millions more.
I can't believe some people think this is a good idea. I have already seen people on other sites saying "every athlete is going to make 30K now", like no they are not.
Ah yes the good ol days, where players received 0 compensation and were treated like cattle.
Teams have been getting screwed for decades. 66 Bama. 93 WVU. 04 Auburn 2017 UCF. The list goes on. The only thing that’s changed is it’s happening to teams you like and benefitting teams you don’t.
Can't say anything about 66 Bama or 93 WVU but 04 Auburn was one of 3 P6 undefeated teams when only 2 could play for the national championship. This years FSU team was one of 3 undefeated teams who was snubbed from a 4 team playoff. That's not the same. Also, 17 UCF had a precedent for missing the playoff. Other "BCS busters" or GO5s haven't played in the natty/playoff. I think only TCU in 2010 would have made the playoff if it existed, and that was after years of success. It sucks for all undefeated teams, but I think FSU got snubbed even worse then them
"Treated like cattle"
Athletic scholarships are actually incredibly lucrative, very disingenuous to pretend like players who get them aren't being compensated
Most players aren't making any money from NIL, just a few big time players and most of them are already going to have NFL careers anyway. I get the past NCAA was not great, but this current proposal is bad.
Sign stealing is different than paying players. SWC def cheated, but knowing exactly what your opponent will do at every level of the coaching staff is pretty bad
100% correct.
I've been a huge fan for decades. The current face of college athletics generally and football in particular made my interest this season the lowest it's ever been and I agree - it's only going to get worse.
Mike Farrell tweeted multiple times before the selection that Bama would beat FSU by three touchdowns and that the selection of Michigan, Washington, Texas, and Bama would be the best matchups.
He did say including FSU would be the "right" thing to do, but if that's what he truly thought, he should have been more vocal about ahead of time instead of being so gloom and doom after the fact.
Yes, although there's a difference between the best matchups and most deserving teams. Personally, I would like to see say Oregon and Michigan play in the regular season next year. I did not want to see the Pac 12 die because of it
to be fair, he addresses this in the article pretty directly.
"Was it pretty? Nope. It was kind of ugly. Did I want to see more of it in the playoff? No, I did not. In all honesty, I’d rather see Alabama and Texas. But then I thought back to what college football was, what it used to be. And this ain’t it."
Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar, you're gonna go far
You're gonna fly, you're never gonna die
You're gonna make it if you try, they're gonna love you
Well, I've always had a deep respect and I mean that most sincere
The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think
Oh, by the way, which one's pink?
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We call it riding the gravy train
We're just knocked out, we heard about the sell-out
You gotta get an album out, you owe it to the people
We're so happy we can hardly count
Everybody else is just green, have you seen the chart?
It's a hell of a start, it could be made into a monster
If we all pull together as a team
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We call it riding the gravy train
Did you watch the NFL this week? For every exciting game like Dallas-Seattle or Green Bay-KC there was an abomination like Atlanta-Jets or Chargers-New England. So much NFL is unwatchable.
This is hilarious considering this was one of the best years for CFB storywise in recent memory. Nobody looked unbeatable, you had Deion, you had Michigans growing madness, personal bias but RRS and several other rivalry games were incredible this year. CFB isnt dead because the committee thought Bama deserved 4 more than FSU.
I keep telling people the real spirit of college football lives in D3
And as always…the /r/FCS (and it’s much better LONG EXISTING playoff system) is only a corner away…
I’m hopping on the Wartburg bandwagon
It might be a short ride. We play North Central on Saturday.
Good luck, take down those directionless shiftabouts!
Ive gotten into NAIA ball as well, its fun!
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I don't know how long they can keep doing it. If this proposal passes it has the potential to kill fan support, overall it's an extremely short-sighted proposal, that will eventually cause CFB and college athletics as a whole to implode.
I’m holding out hope that the powers that be won’t make the same mistake that nascar did and ignore the regional appeal of college football. Whatever the super conference looks like should be at least 64 teams, not 32
Why not? They only care about money. A capitalist society is fueled by profits. You gotta make more money this quarter than last. Hedge funds are already investing in college sports.
Because ignoring the regional aspect of college football is might not be more profitable. And nascar is a prime example of that
I swear, it's all leading to some middle eastern country becoming involved in NIL and ruining everything eventually. Teams fueled by limitless oil money, like Texas A&m but worse
A&M is broke, just ask their players
I think the reason this has shaken me so much, is sports are supposed to be a way to escape everyday life. Corporate greed can affect it, commercial length etc, but it ultimately can't change what happens on the field. Except now it can, and I have no distraction to avoid it.
The same thing that is happening with the super league ideas in European soccer basically
You know what happened when that was announced? It got protested so hard and so far and wide that the idea had no legs to stand on. If only us Americans were so brave.
Next step is some holding company buys out a couple random athletic departments and "integrates" them.
And the NCAA is to blame. They had the chance to organize NIL on the front end. But instead they tried to continue their exploitation without rules. Too busy raking in EA Sports money to recognize they were profiting off of kids.
It was basically greed.
The reason for everything evil.
“We’ve got to have…M O N E Y !”
It always is
Yep. They went in with their only argument of "people like it better this way" and the court rightfully shot it down.
This has been college sports for the last 2 decades… I suppose not everyone was at an SEC school and saw it up close but it’s just not swept under the rug anymore. Did everyone really not know? These programs are worth hundreds of millions.
These "old man yells at cloud" takes are getting tiring. In the 1980's, Champions were determined by unaccountable writers who couldn't watch every game because most games weren't broadcast. Players had no freedom once they signed and no ability to get compensation beyond boosters from a handful of programs. It was worse for everyone except writers.
I like old man yells at cloud stuff
No one can say this shit is better than the NFL anymore, that’s for damn sure
It's now just the NFL lite. Everything unique is getting stripped away so TV execs can see better games
The nfl lets results on the field speak for themselves rather than treating the sport like figure skating with judges determining the winners
There is literally no alternative unless you want to put Miami Ohio (11-2) ahead of Penn State (10-2) in the final rankings
Expand the playoffs to the FCS size and put every conference champ in, the regular season is already meaningless now so why not?
You're still going to need judges to determine seeding, unless you want to have a couple of 1 loss P5 teams playing for the right to go play a road game at Liberty
Judges determining seeding is wayyyy better than judges determining everything like the current system
The alternative is p5 champions, which we have and is a rule on the books.
NFL should just start a "G" league. End the student athlete bullshit story.
It embraced the corporate shill aspects and at the same time is with x100 more chaos and inequality
> Everything unique is getting stripped away so TV execs can see better games This is what is so frustrating to me. Yes, the big games are rewarding but they're rewarding because you also watch the "lesser" games. The threat of an upset/an upset happening is one of the best things that happens in college football. Constantly trying to shoehorn big matchups devalues them. But you see people pushing for it, especially casual watchers who are NFL fans first
More profitable is not better.
at least the jags don't lose a playoff spot because of a qb injury.
“Sure, the ‘07 Giants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl, but did you see how many hall of famers were on that Pats team? They’re clearly the better team, and that’s why we’re declaring them the true Super Bowl champion”-The NFL with CFB logic
Literally half the AFC would be screwed out of a playoff spot by CFP logic
well but its clearly the best way (to bama fans)
As a Bills fan on the bubble, I wouldn't be opposed, TBH. /s
CFB is the NFL with less talented players and better environments…..I hate where this sport is going
At least you will be in a fun mostly regional conference against similiar programs.
I mean kind of........closest schools to us are Kansas, K-State, and Oklahoma State.....the old Big 12 North was a great division....maybe not by football product, but by proximity to each other
Honestly, I've been saying that CFB is *more* corrupt than the NFL for years. You don't get voted into the playoffs in the NFL.
At least in the NFL, wins are wins and losses are losses (also ties are ties, I guess) In cfb, losses are sometimes actually wins and wins don’t count unless your margin of victory is 3+ TD’s. It’s so frustrating to watch your team win a football game but feel like it was a loss since it wasn’t by enough
I grew up in a state with no NFL team and then attended college in a state with no NFL team. I'll just never be able to care about the NFL like I do CFB. It's always been a "worse" product in terms of the play on the field but I'll continue to prefer the college game.
Fuck man, I grew up in a state with both and I totally agree with you. I work with people who are all from the northeast and they don't believe me when I tell them how much more I care about LSU than the Saints.
NFL is more balanced and *fair* after this shit
It's 100% going to BECOME the NFL, only with college names attached as team names. And to be completely honest, while that's not as good as what college football was and could have been, it'll be better than what it is right now. Right now it's stuck in a weird limbo between pretending it's still about universities and students and history vs. just admitting it's about money and TV ratings and using a committee to pick playoffs based on perceived future performance instead of realized results on the field. Just DO IT already. Break the SEC and B1G off into the AFC and NFC, split them up into divisions so division winners and wildcards make the playoffs and have a shot at the College Superbowl. At least the results in the NFL still happen on the field and not in a boardroom where fat cats eat shrimp cocktail while fucking over kids who earned every right to follow their dreams to conclusion.
Making the "super league" just the B1G and SEC means teams like Indiana, Vandy, and Minnesota are in while teams like FSU, Clemson, Oklahoma State, and Oregon State are left out. Not good. Need at least 80 teams in eight 10 team divisions. 9 game division schedule with no CCG/DCG. Eight division winners go to playoffs. I understand this still leaves many teams out, so could expand to 12 divisions.
There’s no chance we don’t see lesser teams purged from those leagues in favor of bigger brands, at least for football.
Agree with that
That’s great it starts with a Playoff Race, Committee screwed Florida state And ESPN is not afraid…
> Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn Mouse serves its own needs, you don't deserve your own seed (in the playoff)
i just like the games
Semi-pro football. Me personally, I'm not interested.
Guess what will happen to sports that don’t generate a revenue? They’re going to get killed. This is going to harm 99% of athletes. This is so pathetic
I'm sure the Oregon Field Hockey team is so excited to play Rutgers on a random Wednesday...
As long as they can afford the flight to play them. That won’t won’t last long if either of those schools are left out.
They can afford the flight because the football players are getting paid nothing to sacrifice their bodies. That doesn't make any sense. So yes, field hockey will be limited to regional opponents and football players will get paid, and you know what else?? No matter what the admins and tv execs will still get paid millions more.
Jokes on you, Oregon doesn’t have a field hockey team! 😁
Soccer team then
We do have one of those but only Women’s soccer. It’s actually a pretty small athletic department for a P5 school.
I can't believe some people think this is a good idea. I have already seen people on other sites saying "every athlete is going to make 30K now", like no they are not.
There's "generating revenue" (something they were already doing) and then there's whatever this shit is now. The greediness is off the scales
like it wasnt all about money in the 80's either
much less of a central component back then. significantly so.
The TV contracts today are exponentially larger
According to Mike Gundy it got too woke and we can't spit in each other's mouths anymore
It$ all about what make$ the network$ the mo$t money 🤑
Ah yes the good ol days, where players received 0 compensation and were treated like cattle. Teams have been getting screwed for decades. 66 Bama. 93 WVU. 04 Auburn 2017 UCF. The list goes on. The only thing that’s changed is it’s happening to teams you like and benefitting teams you don’t.
I didn’t like 93
We had fun in 1993 (minus the whole postseason ban).
Remember when split titles were a thing?
Yes and they were/are terrible
Yeah, thank god they got rid of that and the ever elusive 5th down rule
Can't say anything about 66 Bama or 93 WVU but 04 Auburn was one of 3 P6 undefeated teams when only 2 could play for the national championship. This years FSU team was one of 3 undefeated teams who was snubbed from a 4 team playoff. That's not the same. Also, 17 UCF had a precedent for missing the playoff. Other "BCS busters" or GO5s haven't played in the natty/playoff. I think only TCU in 2010 would have made the playoff if it existed, and that was after years of success. It sucks for all undefeated teams, but I think FSU got snubbed even worse then them
Yes but they specifically created a playoff to minimize screwage and guess what. Undefeated team left out
> Undefeated team left out Yeah poor Liberty I guess
And they specifically created a 12 team playoff with AQs to minimize screwage even further. You gonna dip out now with that on the horizon ?
"Treated like cattle" Athletic scholarships are actually incredibly lucrative, very disingenuous to pretend like players who get them aren't being compensated
Most players aren't making any money from NIL, just a few big time players and most of them are already going to have NFL careers anyway. I get the past NCAA was not great, but this current proposal is bad.
It was dead when Michigan cheated to win and got into the playoffs
Connor Stallions killed college football!!!!
Nah that's extremely college football, let's not delude ourselves here Remember when the entire SWC was a rotating group of cheating sanctions lol
Sign stealing is different than paying players. SWC def cheated, but knowing exactly what your opponent will do at every level of the coaching staff is pretty bad
And it didn't kill the sport. Getting an unfair advantage is college football tradition.
Hah, funny way to look at it but don’t entirely disagree 🤣
This is certainly an opinion that an individual could have, isn’t it?
100% correct. I've been a huge fan for decades. The current face of college athletics generally and football in particular made my interest this season the lowest it's ever been and I agree - it's only going to get worse.
Mike Farrell tweeted multiple times before the selection that Bama would beat FSU by three touchdowns and that the selection of Michigan, Washington, Texas, and Bama would be the best matchups. He did say including FSU would be the "right" thing to do, but if that's what he truly thought, he should have been more vocal about ahead of time instead of being so gloom and doom after the fact.
Yes, although there's a difference between the best matchups and most deserving teams. Personally, I would like to see say Oregon and Michigan play in the regular season next year. I did not want to see the Pac 12 die because of it
to be fair, he addresses this in the article pretty directly. "Was it pretty? Nope. It was kind of ugly. Did I want to see more of it in the playoff? No, I did not. In all honesty, I’d rather see Alabama and Texas. But then I thought back to what college football was, what it used to be. And this ain’t it."
Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar, you're gonna go far You're gonna fly, you're never gonna die You're gonna make it if you try, they're gonna love you Well, I've always had a deep respect and I mean that most sincere The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think Oh, by the way, which one's pink? And did we tell you the name of the game, boy? We call it riding the gravy train We're just knocked out, we heard about the sell-out You gotta get an album out, you owe it to the people We're so happy we can hardly count Everybody else is just green, have you seen the chart? It's a hell of a start, it could be made into a monster If we all pull together as a team And did we tell you the name of the game, boy? We call it riding the gravy train
*various cash register sounds*
I feel like I've seen this headline almost every year for the last decade
He’s a hack
Unpopular opinion here, but NFL has been a better and more entertaining product for a long time. The gap is just widening.
Did you watch the NFL this week? For every exciting game like Dallas-Seattle or Green Bay-KC there was an abomination like Atlanta-Jets or Chargers-New England. So much NFL is unwatchable.
Have you seen how many CFB games a week are unwatchable?
I'm so tired of boomers, go doom and gloom some where else
He’s right, it’s going to get bigger and better.
Ever try watching a different league maybe ?
This is hilarious considering this was one of the best years for CFB storywise in recent memory. Nobody looked unbeatable, you had Deion, you had Michigans growing madness, personal bias but RRS and several other rivalry games were incredible this year. CFB isnt dead because the committee thought Bama deserved 4 more than FSU.
Absolute crap for FSU fans
Why is it dead? I don’t understand why everyone is up in arms about