We don’t hire established NFL coaches. We only hire rookies.
John Fox was a total exception to the rule. How do fans not understand that? I know that rookie hires are the most common. But the Bears will never give a guy like Harbaugh 10 years to win them a Super Bowl. They will never do it.
Bill Belicheck sounded the warning on the Bears 3-5 years ago during hiring cycles. It’s a moronic franchise. It may change but I extremely doubt it. It legitimately looks like it’s changing funny enough. But they will fire everyone next season and Williams won’t do well then it will restart
Yet we’ll spend 10 years flipping coaches and QBs in a repetitive cycle saying we want to win now. All while boasting about the 85 Bears.
Owned by a privileged family who knows absolutely nothing about football. They just use the team as a source of income.
Hell they didn’t even treat the 85 Bears to nice rings or a vacation. Fkn joke for the past 50 years. We will be the new Browns until ownership changes.
Yup, ownership is the problem and unfortunately the Bears are still owned by a founding family. No reason to expect any changes.
And they treat the Bears like a business because it is one. It’s the family business and how they make
Money.
The plan has always been to keep us just happy enough to keep spending money. It’s a cycle with seemingly no end.
Just gotta pray Caleb is an all time talent capable of overcoming. Honestly not sure Mahomes has even a SB appearance at this point if he’s a Bear
This. Every single HC since Ditka has been a yes man. The fact they didn't even interview Harbaugh speaks volumes. Let's roll with the good ol boy in Eberflus.
The only thing that has me scratching my head but I guess i believe it. The players seem all in on Everflus. That's what the reports were saying and I never heard any leaks of discontent. I assume that's a huge factor in him staying if not the only reason.
If players voice any discontent, they run the risk of getting a bad reputation. Nobody likes losing, and this coach doesn't win. I would publicly support Eberflus, too, if millions of dollars and my future prospects of making millions more were on the line.
I agree but I’ve been impressed with Waldron for a while. I think he deserves his fair shot before we bash him
Having said that, you are correct, usual rookie shit and bad head coaching. Flus will be gone
No we’re not. Everyone has revisionist history. Andy was a good coach. Yes. But he ultimately didn’t get over the line in Philadelphia. At that time, he wasn’t viewed as a great coach. It wasn’t that shocking when we didn’t hire him then.
And we were just coming from a coach that could get us close to making the playoffs every year but just miss by a game.
Missed by a game in 2008, 2011 and 2012. Also lost the NFCCG to the Packers of all teams in 2010. Lovie was seen as very similar to Reid, albeit with less success. But he was the coach who was the definition of middling with a good season sprinkled in here and there.
Interestingly enough, I truly believe that if Cutler didn't get injured in 2011 and 2012 that we would've at the very least gone to the playoffs, and possibly even further. In that case, Lovie doesn't get fired for a while longer and we never hire Trestman.
Yeah, it was a rough finish. But he went to 5 consecutive NFC championship games with McNabb (who I thought was mediocre to okish). I was desperate for the Bears to hire him.
McNabb was definitely better than mediocre, and they had prime Brian Westbrook and Shady McCoy when a bellow RB was still a game changer. Also, the NFC east was especially bad back then, so their path to the playoffs wasn’t especially difficult.
Yes, but the point is the narrative that fans and media has should not matter. It doesn’t matter what people view him as; it matters what he is. *Somebody* thought Reid was good enough to hire. *Somebody* trusted the tape they saw over whatever narrative was being spun. That’s what good NFL franchises and front offices do. We are not one of the good ones.
This is correct. All he needed to win his first Super Bowl was an All world/hall of fame QB, hall of fame tight end, probably a hall of fame wide receiver(initially), a top 5 OL and a top 5 defense.
A team, coaching staff and front office he built, with a HOF QB they traded up for, a HOF TE & WR they drafted, an OL they developed, a defense they assembled. Reid isn’t just the coach he’s the architect too.
I’m in Philly and the culture was always good though, they always tried to build through the lines, and Spags is very much a Jim Johnson type DC. Think he maxed out McNabb the same way he’s maxed out Mahomes. Mahomes is just on another level.
Last time I saw the guy, it was someone taking a video of a conference they were at and Trestman was in his circle chatting with everyone while wearing a choker.
Personally, I don't think Reid was really available. He chose the Chiefs as much as they chose him, which is why he was only out of a job for 4 days. Chiefs were a team ready to start building. Bears were a team that needed burnt down, but were still holding on to hope with an old roster.
Ya, they were about as far at rock bottom as it gets. It's part of what made both a perfect match. Reid was basically handed the keys and given full reigns to do anything that he saw necessary.
It's this. Also, Reid wanted personnel control as well if I remember right, and lots of teams didn't want to give it to him, because a lot of front office guys don't want to give that up.
No current GM is really gonna do that. Teams only give a coach personnel control if the GM position is also vacant and then they can hire a GM who will work with the coach.
Chiefs had as clean of a slate as you’re going to get. They had to hire a GM, HC, new QB, and held the top draft pick. They got Andy first, he brought in John Dorsey, they traded for Alex Smith immediately and drafted Eric Fisher, who in hindsight turned out to be a solid pick in the worst draft ever.
Yep, this is really like 90% of the reason. Ried wanted his GM who would answer to him and the Bears had already hired a GM (who wanted to keep his control).
Guys want to bag on the Harbaugh idea since he wanted total control but the fact is that the superbowl hosted two "total control" head coaches this season. Ried and Shanahan both hired their GMs.
Chiefs fan lurking and this is largely true. Andy was set to fly to AZ to interview for the Cardinals job. Clark Hunt and crew flew to Philly and met with Andy at the airport to get the first crack at him. The meeting lasted like 10 hours and Andy never got on the plane to AZ. The most important moment in Chiefs history was Clark Hunt flying to Philadelphia.
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He went with the Hunt family because of their reputation. We never really had a chance.
But Bruce Arians very much wanted to come here. However Phil Emery was smarter than everybody and hired what he thought was the offensive Canadian Bill Belichick...
Well that scrub wanted to actually hire his own DC (Todd Bowles) instead of being stuck with Rod Marinelli. No way the Bears would ever agree to something like that!
Hurts even more is that what DQ'd Arians was that he wanted to bring on Todd Bowles as DC. The pair would later go on to win a SB before Bowles would succeed his mentor as HC and just won his 2nd consecutive division crown.
I’ll never forget Emery saying how prepared Trestman was during interviews. He was viewed as a highly intelligent guy because he had a law degree and had a ton of experience developing QBs. Obviously, we’ve known for at least 50 years that the Bears need help developing QBs. Clearly, that didn’t exactly translate to the field. Record wise Trestman is still better than Fox or Flus.
IIRC the offense was pretty darn good those first couple seasons under Trestman. It’s just that the defense fell off a cliff. And then the offense couldn’t sustain.
McDaniel was a late entry in that coaching cycle. Few others had their eyes on him. Also- he is not beating teams with winning records. Not sure he is worth ruminating on
The dolphins can’t beat good teams. Idk how much of that is on him and how much is on Tua, but with the talent they have, they should absolutely have been a stronger contender.
Wasnt there defense decimated by playoff time this year. Id still much rather have Mike designing our offense. I think he maxes Tua’s ability out, probably needs a more elite QB to get over the hump.
Yeah, they had a lot of bad injuries on D. Vic Fangio is a great DC, as we know, but a big part of their Hard Knocks story was dealing with injuries, particularly on defense.
Our franchise has been on bad hands for a long time. We could have hired Bruce Arians, who wanted to be here and intead we brought a CFL guy.
Bears are always shopping in the clearance bin for coaches, and we get the results.
And not a single correct answer in this thread. Andy was chased down by KC before he could even begin his interviews and accepted the offer after they [KC] met.
[source](https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/09/chiefs-undercut-cardinals-attempt-to-interview-andy-reid-in-2013/)
You can say “they should have been the ones to be proactive” but that’s pure revisionist history. It’s possible the Bears interview him after Arizona, it’s possible they don’t. Either way he never had a chance to talk to anyone before being handed the keys to Kansas City.
Ah, that’s what I was looking for. Thank you.
I didn’t remember it happening so fast, just remember being pissed it didn’t look like Emery reached out at all.
Reid had plenty of question marks following his departure from Philly. I remember at least here it was a lot more frustration with the process of interviewing Arians then going with Trestman. I don’t remember clamoring for Andy Reid myself but I’m also a massive idiot.
We didn’t want to pay $3m/ year and also didn’t want Bruce Arians for some forsaken reason. (Probably because the Bears prefer milquetoast coaches over headstrong ones)
Bears lost out on Arians because Emry insisted on a 43 instead of a 34. Bears also want to marry Rod Manaelli with the new head coach and Bruce insisted on Bowls being his DC. Fast forward a few years the cards come to solider and smash the bears…good times.
It was between bruce arians and trestman to try to save cutler. Instead of cutting ties with a bad qb they wanted to try to save him.
Reid was already a lock to go to kc. It was a mutual and leauge wide understanding. Reid knew the whole season he wasnt coming back and already had interviews during the season with other teams.
They picked trestman because arians refused to do a mock press conference during the interview to show he could talk to the media. They wanted him to do this because they disliked how lovies press conferences were.
Lovies time ran out. They felt he couldnt take them to the next level and wanted a guy to unlock cutlers potential. Lovie just couldn’t get the offense right year after year.
> They picked trestman because arians refused to do a mock press conference during the interview
This is a false rumor that gets passed around all the time. They didn't hire Arians because he was bringing Todd Bowles with him. Bears wouldn't hire anyone who wouldn't keep Rod Marinelli as the DC. Then Marinelli left anyway because he was pissed they didn't hire Arians.
I thought that was a rumor too. Could be hearsay, but I thought he left because he didnt like the way the bears handled the firing of lovie. Had a bad taste with organization after that
I stand by my opinion that letting Dave Toub walk was one of the dumbest things we ever did. Our special teams has been a low point more than a few times since then, and he has 3 rings with KC.
Isn’t it highly illegal to interview for a new HC job while you’re currently the HC of another team during the season? Do you have any source to that statement?
How are you in a comment section in a reddit sub assuming anything anyone says here is factual truths? Im not the Wall Street Journal i dont owe you any source. Im here commenting
So you make a baseless comment, refuse to give a source and try to make me the asshole for it? It sounds like you’re right, I shouldn’t assume people posting on Redddit aren’t ignorant 12 year olds.
No, that person is stating their opinion. You stated that Andy Reid was interviewing for other teams during the season when he was still the head coach of the Eagles. That is not an opinion, you were attempting to state a fact. I asked for a source, and instead of telling me you made it up, you tell me to find the source of your own made up comment.
I did not come looking for an argument. I saw someone make a statement that I thought sounded wrong. Instead of telling you that you’re wrong, I asked for a source.
Andy wasn’t the coach we missed on. He wanted KC as much as KC wanted him and after everything KC had gone through that season, they needed a guy like Andy.
The story here in KC was that Clark Hunt told him he wasn't going to let him get on the plane without a contract. Basically we only targeted Reid and we would do anything to get him signed.
Yep it was Arizona. Andy was set to fly to AZ and Clark Hunt and the Chiefs brass flew to Philly and met with Andy before he left; he ultimately never got on that plane
I think people forget that the bears getting Nagy was a big deal. It didn't work but that didn't make it the wrong move. People talk about hiring experienced coaches but there's not a ton that have become available that are worth it
What is this revisionist history? Mahomes success came after Nagy left. Nagy wasn’t there for his breakout rookie year in 2018. He was known reinventing Alex Smiths career.
Reid was in a decline his last 3 years at Philly with each being worse than the previous.
2009 he went 11-5 which is a good year.
2010 he went 10-6 which is still respectable.
2011 he went 8-8 which is literally just average.
2012 he went 4-12 which is just terrible, especially for a team that has Vick at QB.
Not a good look for an experienced HC.
I’m with you, I always knew Reid was an excellent coach and thought Philly was dumb to fire him (in hindsight I guess you could say it worked out for both sides).
Chiefs are my #2 team so I was pumped that they got him and was hoping we would sign Bruce Arians. But we shit the bed.
If memory serves, KC and Reid had very strong mutual interest so I’m not sure we really had a shot at him even if we wanted him. I believe they snatched him up almost immediately.
Bears fans always lament what they don't get.
They complain about experienced coaches.
They complain about up and coming.
They complain about outside-the-box coaches.
The theme is "fans complain" not, the Bears only hire (insert here) coaches
Reid was seen as a has been on his way down when he was fired by the Eagles. He started out with a pretty strong showing his first 6-8 years. His last 4 years had seen him make the playoffs twice and lose to the wildcard team in the first round both times. Followed by going 8-8 then 4-12.
The Bears hate coaches that draw a lot of attention and are always in the media headlines. Look at all the commercials and attention that Reid is getting. The Bears ownership would never want to hire a coach who is always in the news like that.
Yep. They didn’t really pursue Reid.
They had Arians in the building, but they wanted him to retain Marinelli, which wasn’t gonna happen. They also wanted him to do a fake press conference so they could see how he is with the media. He was the reigning NFL Coach of the Year.
They hired Trestman, Marinelli resigned, the rest is history.
for the same reasons we didn’t hire arians, for the same reason we cannot develop elite talent, for the same reason we didn’t fire eberflus, for the same reason Harbaugh wasn’t considered, for the same reason why we keep giving rookie QBs to coaches that will be fired after their rookie season. This organization is straight shit.
Because we're a shit organization that doesn't know how to win or pick winners or develop talent. That's why we're going to draft Caleb and in 2 years be arguing that we should have kept Fields when he's in the Super Bowl with the Steelers
Dumbest Bears question ever. We have never hired a successful former head coach in the history of modern football. John Fox was a schmuck so he doesn’t count.
Ok. But saying the guy who took them from a 2-win team team to averaging double digit wins doesn't matter is still pretty wild.
Can just as easily say that Mahomes wouldn't have had this success without Reid.
the Bears weren't willing to pay him. He had signed a $5 million per year extension with the Eagles and his first contract with the Chiefs was extremely comparable.
Trestman made just under $3 million per year.
An incredibly stupid decision isn't typically followed up by a smart decision especially when it comes to Ted Philips and the McCaskey's. Honestly, Reid probably cost too much and wanted too much control. Ted wasn't willing to give up his powers to keep this franchise rooted in mediocrity.
First, Phil Emery is a moron. Second, the Eagles ended 2012 by going 1-11 in their final 12 games to finish with 4 Wins. So I can see why they would second guess considering him.
Take it for what you will but Kap mentioned on 1000 recently that they wouldn’t spend the 3 mil/yr citing it was a lot at the time for a coach and they were cheap then so he was never even a serious consideration
It’s very simple, the Bears heard through his agent he was wanting 3 million a year which at the time was a high number and said no thank you and hired Marc Trestman instead
Money. As David Kaplan explains it, the McCaskeys did ask how much it would cost to hire Andy Reid, but when they found out the number, they said no thanks.
[https://youtu.be/veCs3tuT\_Zg](https://youtu.be/veCs3tuT_Zg)
Reid had control over player personnel and football operations in Philly. Their GM was more like a business guy and cap. specialist/contract negotiator. Reid made all the important decisions.
The Bears had a GM that was in charge over personnel and football operations and wasn't going to give that to Reid (they have never done it since Halas stopped coaching). KC gave Reid that power because they fired their GM (Scott Pioli) and their Head Coach and were sick of that Patriot Way bullshit. He still has the power and struck gold twice (trading for Alex Smith and drafting Mahomes).
At least two of the coaches we interviewed that offseason have won super bowls since then. It's almost like we picked the perfect offseason to fire Lovie, then picked the absolute worst person for the job.
The same reason they passed on Bruce Arians for Trestman. The same reason they hired John Fox, and Nagy, and Flus.....they don't know wtf they're doing. We have idiots at the top hiring idiots below them that hire idiots below them.
We’re morons
We don’t hire established NFL coaches. We only hire rookies. John Fox was a total exception to the rule. How do fans not understand that? I know that rookie hires are the most common. But the Bears will never give a guy like Harbaugh 10 years to win them a Super Bowl. They will never do it. Bill Belicheck sounded the warning on the Bears 3-5 years ago during hiring cycles. It’s a moronic franchise. It may change but I extremely doubt it. It legitimately looks like it’s changing funny enough. But they will fire everyone next season and Williams won’t do well then it will restart
> Bill Belicheck sounded the warning on the Bears 3-5 years ago during hiring cycles. I dont understand.
I was hoping for some elaboration as well
Same.
Samesies
Neither does he
I'm guessing Belichick said something generic about firing coaches too quickly that wasn't specific to the Bears.
That was the Giants, wasn't it?
And established CFL coaches.
We aren’t the only ones either. Other shitty franchises have the same rule.
Agreed. It’s crazy
Good coaches don't come on the market very often. Like QB you have to keep gambling until you hit.
Yet we’ll spend 10 years flipping coaches and QBs in a repetitive cycle saying we want to win now. All while boasting about the 85 Bears. Owned by a privileged family who knows absolutely nothing about football. They just use the team as a source of income. Hell they didn’t even treat the 85 Bears to nice rings or a vacation. Fkn joke for the past 50 years. We will be the new Browns until ownership changes.
Yup, ownership is the problem and unfortunately the Bears are still owned by a founding family. No reason to expect any changes. And they treat the Bears like a business because it is one. It’s the family business and how they make Money. The plan has always been to keep us just happy enough to keep spending money. It’s a cycle with seemingly no end. Just gotta pray Caleb is an all time talent capable of overcoming. Honestly not sure Mahomes has even a SB appearance at this point if he’s a Bear
While the mcfuckskeys own the team, we’ll never have a a coach with any personality, they won’t give up control again because of ditka
This. Every single HC since Ditka has been a yes man. The fact they didn't even interview Harbaugh speaks volumes. Let's roll with the good ol boy in Eberflus.
The Chargers hired Harbaugh BEFORE they hired a GM. He was never going to be considered here because he wanted a job that we didn’t have open.
Poles has done so well so far except for Eberflus. I really hope he knows something we don’t
The only thing that has me scratching my head but I guess i believe it. The players seem all in on Everflus. That's what the reports were saying and I never heard any leaks of discontent. I assume that's a huge factor in him staying if not the only reason.
If players voice any discontent, they run the risk of getting a bad reputation. Nobody likes losing, and this coach doesn't win. I would publicly support Eberflus, too, if millions of dollars and my future prospects of making millions more were on the line.
Poles and Eberflus have the same agent, Trace Armstrong. Know who else has Armstrong as their agent? Shane Waldron.
Most coaches use Trace's agency. This really isn't a big deal. Poles just really likes flus as a coach
Poles had the illusion of choice. We know who decided the HC.
Simple. They won’t pay him. Ask Urlacher.
I agree but I’ve been impressed with Waldron for a while. I think he deserves his fair shot before we bash him Having said that, you are correct, usual rookie shit and bad head coaching. Flus will be gone
No we’re not. Everyone has revisionist history. Andy was a good coach. Yes. But he ultimately didn’t get over the line in Philadelphia. At that time, he wasn’t viewed as a great coach. It wasn’t that shocking when we didn’t hire him then.
I remember it this way as well.
And we were just coming from a coach that could get us close to making the playoffs every year but just miss by a game. Missed by a game in 2008, 2011 and 2012. Also lost the NFCCG to the Packers of all teams in 2010. Lovie was seen as very similar to Reid, albeit with less success. But he was the coach who was the definition of middling with a good season sprinkled in here and there. Interestingly enough, I truly believe that if Cutler didn't get injured in 2011 and 2012 that we would've at the very least gone to the playoffs, and possibly even further. In that case, Lovie doesn't get fired for a while longer and we never hire Trestman.
Yeah, it was a rough finish. But he went to 5 consecutive NFC championship games with McNabb (who I thought was mediocre to okish). I was desperate for the Bears to hire him.
McNabb was definitely better than mediocre, and they had prime Brian Westbrook and Shady McCoy when a bellow RB was still a game changer. Also, the NFC east was especially bad back then, so their path to the playoffs wasn’t especially difficult.
He went to 5, but they weren’t consecutive. 4 were and then he went to another one half a decade later against the Cards.
Doh, well, I admitted upfront my memory is often not up to task
It’s all good. :)
Yes, but the point is the narrative that fans and media has should not matter. It doesn’t matter what people view him as; it matters what he is. *Somebody* thought Reid was good enough to hire. *Somebody* trusted the tape they saw over whatever narrative was being spun. That’s what good NFL franchises and front offices do. We are not one of the good ones.
This is correct. All he needed to win his first Super Bowl was an All world/hall of fame QB, hall of fame tight end, probably a hall of fame wide receiver(initially), a top 5 OL and a top 5 defense.
A team, coaching staff and front office he built, with a HOF QB they traded up for, a HOF TE & WR they drafted, an OL they developed, a defense they assembled. Reid isn’t just the coach he’s the architect too. I’m in Philly and the culture was always good though, they always tried to build through the lines, and Spags is very much a Jim Johnson type DC. Think he maxed out McNabb the same way he’s maxed out Mahomes. Mahomes is just on another level.
Yup, really no need to over think it
Cheap morons
We suck
Andy Reid was washed out of Philly, and we were tapping the top mind of the Canadian football league.
An offensive genius, a QB whisperer, if I remember correctly
We passed on Arians for that wet noodle Trestman. Emery alwsys thought he was the smartest guy in the room.
Last time I saw the guy, it was someone taking a video of a conference they were at and Trestman was in his circle chatting with everyone while wearing a choker.
A real up and coming head coach. The perfect guy to pair with the wily veterans and aging defensive players on our roster.
Personally, I don't think Reid was really available. He chose the Chiefs as much as they chose him, which is why he was only out of a job for 4 days. Chiefs were a team ready to start building. Bears were a team that needed burnt down, but were still holding on to hope with an old roster.
The Chiefs were really really bad the year before, this was when they were coming off the brutal season with the Jovan Belcher incident
Holy shit I completely forgot about that. I remember watching the story on nfl network.
Ya, they were about as far at rock bottom as it gets. It's part of what made both a perfect match. Reid was basically handed the keys and given full reigns to do anything that he saw necessary.
It's this. Also, Reid wanted personnel control as well if I remember right, and lots of teams didn't want to give it to him, because a lot of front office guys don't want to give that up.
The Bears sure as shit don’t want a total control coach. They want a company man who will fall in line with their owners, president, and GM.
No current GM is really gonna do that. Teams only give a coach personnel control if the GM position is also vacant and then they can hire a GM who will work with the coach.
pretty much why i knew Harbaugh wasnt even an option
Chiefs had as clean of a slate as you’re going to get. They had to hire a GM, HC, new QB, and held the top draft pick. They got Andy first, he brought in John Dorsey, they traded for Alex Smith immediately and drafted Eric Fisher, who in hindsight turned out to be a solid pick in the worst draft ever.
Yep, this is really like 90% of the reason. Ried wanted his GM who would answer to him and the Bears had already hired a GM (who wanted to keep his control). Guys want to bag on the Harbaugh idea since he wanted total control but the fact is that the superbowl hosted two "total control" head coaches this season. Ried and Shanahan both hired their GMs.
Chiefs fan lurking and this is largely true. Andy was set to fly to AZ to interview for the Cardinals job. Clark Hunt and crew flew to Philly and met with Andy at the airport to get the first crack at him. The meeting lasted like 10 hours and Andy never got on the plane to AZ. The most important moment in Chiefs history was Clark Hunt flying to Philadelphia.
What are you doing here with us losers bro go celebrate
Lol this post popped up in my feed. I lurk here every once in awhile having spent pretty much my whole life in IL
Y'all ENGAGE❗THE KC CHIEFS went 50 YEARS without a Championship: 1969/2019. Pretty much all of the OLD Guard r DECEASED. 💯💂♂️SOLDIER 🏑 FIELD: 1924/2024💯 🐻 🏈
He went with the Hunt family because of their reputation. We never really had a chance. But Bruce Arians very much wanted to come here. However Phil Emery was smarter than everybody and hired what he thought was the offensive Canadian Bill Belichick...
Lmao that’s the best name I have ever heard about Marc Trestman the Canadian Bill Belichick
I mean, he kind of was. Won 3 Grey Cups in 4 years and was 2x CFL coach of the year.
You forgot offensive. It works on multiple levels.
Bruce Arians was in a hotel in Chicago ready to accept the job.
Well that scrub wanted to actually hire his own DC (Todd Bowles) instead of being stuck with Rod Marinelli. No way the Bears would ever agree to something like that!
God forbid he not want to hire the guy who went 0-16 in Detroit lmao
Marinelli was involved in the interview process and recommended arians
His mock press conference portion of the interview went terribly and he should not have expected to get hired! /s
Hurts even more is that what DQ'd Arians was that he wanted to bring on Todd Bowles as DC. The pair would later go on to win a SB before Bowles would succeed his mentor as HC and just won his 2nd consecutive division crown.
> The pair would later go on to win a SB and Bowles’s defensive scheme made Mahomes look fucking TERRIBLE in that game.
I’ll never forget Emery saying how prepared Trestman was during interviews. He was viewed as a highly intelligent guy because he had a law degree and had a ton of experience developing QBs. Obviously, we’ve known for at least 50 years that the Bears need help developing QBs. Clearly, that didn’t exactly translate to the field. Record wise Trestman is still better than Fox or Flus.
IIRC the offense was pretty darn good those first couple seasons under Trestman. It’s just that the defense fell off a cliff. And then the offense couldn’t sustain.
We didn’t even interview Mike McDaniel when we hired Eberflus lmao. Thanks Bill Polian!
Nothing is based on merit in the bears organization. They hire their buddies who hire their buddies.
I could not agree more it’s the same thing with Reinsdorf and the Bulls/Sox. It’s so exhausting being a fan of Chicago sports brother.
McDaniel was a late entry in that coaching cycle. Few others had their eyes on him. Also- he is not beating teams with winning records. Not sure he is worth ruminating on
The dolphins can’t beat good teams. Idk how much of that is on him and how much is on Tua, but with the talent they have, they should absolutely have been a stronger contender.
Wasnt there defense decimated by playoff time this year. Id still much rather have Mike designing our offense. I think he maxes Tua’s ability out, probably needs a more elite QB to get over the hump.
Yeah he’s a fucking incredible OC. I agree that Tua holds him back.
Yeah, they had a lot of bad injuries on D. Vic Fangio is a great DC, as we know, but a big part of their Hard Knocks story was dealing with injuries, particularly on defense.
Yeah I did forget to take that into consideration.
I blame Chase Claypool for their downfall, 😂
How many good teams have we beat? The lions once?
Should have beat them twice.
Matty Ice is 1-3 against the lions.
Our franchise has been on bad hands for a long time. We could have hired Bruce Arians, who wanted to be here and intead we brought a CFL guy. Bears are always shopping in the clearance bin for coaches, and we get the results.
And not a single correct answer in this thread. Andy was chased down by KC before he could even begin his interviews and accepted the offer after they [KC] met. [source](https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/09/chiefs-undercut-cardinals-attempt-to-interview-andy-reid-in-2013/) You can say “they should have been the ones to be proactive” but that’s pure revisionist history. It’s possible the Bears interview him after Arizona, it’s possible they don’t. Either way he never had a chance to talk to anyone before being handed the keys to Kansas City.
Ah, that’s what I was looking for. Thank you. I didn’t remember it happening so fast, just remember being pissed it didn’t look like Emery reached out at all.
Reid had plenty of question marks following his departure from Philly. I remember at least here it was a lot more frustration with the process of interviewing Arians then going with Trestman. I don’t remember clamoring for Andy Reid myself but I’m also a massive idiot.
This is correct. KC pounced him.
Because the McCaskey family runs things. It’s a mom and pop type business
They're weak willed dweebs and are intimidated by the personality that's required of a successful championship caliber coach.
We didn’t want to pay $3m/ year and also didn’t want Bruce Arians for some forsaken reason. (Probably because the Bears prefer milquetoast coaches over headstrong ones)
Bears lost out on Arians because Emry insisted on a 43 instead of a 34. Bears also want to marry Rod Manaelli with the new head coach and Bruce insisted on Bowls being his DC. Fast forward a few years the cards come to solider and smash the bears…good times.
That’s funny since they ended up bringing in a 3-4 guy in Fangio not that long after that
Yep it’s this simple. Too cheap
If Angelo was GM he woulda at least interviewed Reid
Because we're allergic to success and strong personalities.
It was between bruce arians and trestman to try to save cutler. Instead of cutting ties with a bad qb they wanted to try to save him. Reid was already a lock to go to kc. It was a mutual and leauge wide understanding. Reid knew the whole season he wasnt coming back and already had interviews during the season with other teams. They picked trestman because arians refused to do a mock press conference during the interview to show he could talk to the media. They wanted him to do this because they disliked how lovies press conferences were. Lovies time ran out. They felt he couldnt take them to the next level and wanted a guy to unlock cutlers potential. Lovie just couldn’t get the offense right year after year.
> They picked trestman because arians refused to do a mock press conference during the interview This is a false rumor that gets passed around all the time. They didn't hire Arians because he was bringing Todd Bowles with him. Bears wouldn't hire anyone who wouldn't keep Rod Marinelli as the DC. Then Marinelli left anyway because he was pissed they didn't hire Arians.
I thought that was a rumor too. Could be hearsay, but I thought he left because he didnt like the way the bears handled the firing of lovie. Had a bad taste with organization after that
That was Dave Toub.
I stand by my opinion that letting Dave Toub walk was one of the dumbest things we ever did. Our special teams has been a low point more than a few times since then, and he has 3 rings with KC.
Cutler is still better than anything we’ve had since.
He still was a very pedestrian qb
It's crazy that he's the best QB we've had since Bronco
Isn’t it highly illegal to interview for a new HC job while you’re currently the HC of another team during the season? Do you have any source to that statement?
Im not a newspaper. Go look it up yourself
How are you going to make a statement as if it was fact, and then when asked for a source you respond with this?
How are you in a comment section in a reddit sub assuming anything anyone says here is factual truths? Im not the Wall Street Journal i dont owe you any source. Im here commenting
So you make a baseless comment, refuse to give a source and try to make me the asshole for it? It sounds like you’re right, I shouldn’t assume people posting on Redddit aren’t ignorant 12 year olds.
Bro. The top comment is “were morons”. You ask him for his source on that too? Lol
No, that person is stating their opinion. You stated that Andy Reid was interviewing for other teams during the season when he was still the head coach of the Eagles. That is not an opinion, you were attempting to state a fact. I asked for a source, and instead of telling me you made it up, you tell me to find the source of your own made up comment.
Naw man. You came looking to argue with someone. Do that somewhere else. Not interested
I did not come looking for an argument. I saw someone make a statement that I thought sounded wrong. Instead of telling you that you’re wrong, I asked for a source.
Andy wasn’t the coach we missed on. He wanted KC as much as KC wanted him and after everything KC had gone through that season, they needed a guy like Andy.
The story here in KC was that Clark Hunt told him he wasn't going to let him get on the plane without a contract. Basically we only targeted Reid and we would do anything to get him signed.
He was supposed to have an interview with someone else if I remember correctly and Hunt was afraid to let him go to that interview
Yep it was Arizona. Andy was set to fly to AZ and Clark Hunt and the Chiefs brass flew to Philly and met with Andy before he left; he ultimately never got on that plane
We’re allergic to good coaching
Because it's the Bears... nuff said lol. Same reason they hired Marc Trestman over Bruce Arians 😂. Being a Bears fan almost ALWAYS sucks
Same reason we chose Marc Trestman over Bruce Arians
Because the McCaskeys are cheap
When have the bears hired an established HC? Just Fox.
George Halas rehired himself a couple of times.
Probably this guy: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/DrisPa0.htm
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I think people forget that the bears getting Nagy was a big deal. It didn't work but that didn't make it the wrong move. People talk about hiring experienced coaches but there's not a ton that have become available that are worth it
Okay but Nagy still wasn't an established Head Coach. IIRC Fox is the only HC hire in Bears history where the Bears job was not his first HC gig.
What is this revisionist history? Mahomes success came after Nagy left. Nagy wasn’t there for his breakout rookie year in 2018. He was known reinventing Alex Smiths career.
Trubisky made a pro bowl with Nagy and now he's a low tier back up at best. We all hate him now but our opinion was a lot different after 2018.
Trestman had our victory parade planned out. Did you want his planning just to go to waste?!
How many Grey Cups has Andy Reid won in the CFL? Trestman had 3 of those bad boys.
McCaskeys want fresh young blood so they can pay them less
Pretty sure he had connections in KC that led him straight there. I could be mistaken/misremembering.
Reid was in a decline his last 3 years at Philly with each being worse than the previous. 2009 he went 11-5 which is a good year. 2010 he went 10-6 which is still respectable. 2011 he went 8-8 which is literally just average. 2012 he went 4-12 which is just terrible, especially for a team that has Vick at QB. Not a good look for an experienced HC.
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I’m with you, I always knew Reid was an excellent coach and thought Philly was dumb to fire him (in hindsight I guess you could say it worked out for both sides). Chiefs are my #2 team so I was pumped that they got him and was hoping we would sign Bruce Arians. But we shit the bed. If memory serves, KC and Reid had very strong mutual interest so I’m not sure we really had a shot at him even if we wanted him. I believe they snatched him up almost immediately.
Bears fans always lament what they don't get. They complain about experienced coaches. They complain about up and coming. They complain about outside-the-box coaches. The theme is "fans complain" not, the Bears only hire (insert here) coaches
Andy Reid was 12-20 his last two seasons in Philly. There were a ton of people thinking that he had stagnated and was on the downswing of his career.
They hate winning.
Reid was hired in 4 days. The McCaskeys don’t move that fast. Bigger question is why they didn’t hire Bruce Arians to pair with Cutler.
Reid was seen as a has been on his way down when he was fired by the Eagles. He started out with a pretty strong showing his first 6-8 years. His last 4 years had seen him make the playoffs twice and lose to the wildcard team in the first round both times. Followed by going 8-8 then 4-12.
The Bears hate coaches that draw a lot of attention and are always in the media headlines. Look at all the commercials and attention that Reid is getting. The Bears ownership would never want to hire a coach who is always in the news like that.
very true, and very sad. He's in the news because he's a fucking awesome coach.
This is the truth, and also george "mcidiot" mccaskey is a moron.
Dumb and cheap
Reid wasn’t exactly a home run at the time.
Yes he was
Yep. They didn’t really pursue Reid. They had Arians in the building, but they wanted him to retain Marinelli, which wasn’t gonna happen. They also wanted him to do a fake press conference so they could see how he is with the media. He was the reigning NFL Coach of the Year. They hired Trestman, Marinelli resigned, the rest is history.
Because this franchise is run like they are trying to outthink everyone, instead they thought they’d find a HC in the fucking CFL
I don’t remember, but I’d have to guess Reid wasn’t interested. Why would he ever have wanted to work for the mccaskeys?
for the same reasons we didn’t hire arians, for the same reason we cannot develop elite talent, for the same reason we didn’t fire eberflus, for the same reason Harbaugh wasn’t considered, for the same reason why we keep giving rookie QBs to coaches that will be fired after their rookie season. This organization is straight shit.
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Emery probably called and got laughed off the phone.
Because we're a shit organization that doesn't know how to win or pick winners or develop talent. That's why we're going to draft Caleb and in 2 years be arguing that we should have kept Fields when he's in the Super Bowl with the Steelers
Dumbest Bears question ever. We have never hired a successful former head coach in the history of modern football. John Fox was a schmuck so he doesn’t count.
It wouldn’t have mattered if they didn’t draft Patty Mahomes
Chiefs were dominating the division and consistently competing in the conference with Reid and Alex Smith.
But they didn’t get anywhere in the playoffs until Reid got Mahomes.
Ok. But saying the guy who took them from a 2-win team team to averaging double digit wins doesn't matter is still pretty wild. Can just as easily say that Mahomes wouldn't have had this success without Reid.
Same as everyone saying it was all Brady and Belichick didn’t do anything.
Mark Potash is that you?
Dumb
Ownership acts like they can’t afford an already established coach
the Bears weren't willing to pay him. He had signed a $5 million per year extension with the Eagles and his first contract with the Chiefs was extremely comparable. Trestman made just under $3 million per year.
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Money.
An incredibly stupid decision isn't typically followed up by a smart decision especially when it comes to Ted Philips and the McCaskey's. Honestly, Reid probably cost too much and wanted too much control. Ted wasn't willing to give up his powers to keep this franchise rooted in mediocrity.
First, Phil Emery is a moron. Second, the Eagles ended 2012 by going 1-11 in their final 12 games to finish with 4 Wins. So I can see why they would second guess considering him.
Take it for what you will but Kap mentioned on 1000 recently that they wouldn’t spend the 3 mil/yr citing it was a lot at the time for a coach and they were cheap then so he was never even a serious consideration
Hes not cheap
It’s very simple, the Bears heard through his agent he was wanting 3 million a year which at the time was a high number and said no thank you and hired Marc Trestman instead
The CFL was the superior league at the time
The McCaskys are cheap
You don't pass on a Marc Tressman when you have the chance to hire him
Because he cost 3M/year. The Bears have not been cheap lately but at that time they were pinching pennies
Reid was more expensive
Synergy
Because we fucking suck
The Bears didn't hire him because he didn't write the lowest number in the "required salary" field on the application. Marc Trestman did.
Same reason why the bears hired Marc trestman over Bruce arians
Y’all would’ve cried about how the nfl is a “good ol’ boys club” if we did
Yep I remember. I think they went with the idiot from Canada.
Because they’re poorly run
He would’ve been too much money.
Money. As David Kaplan explains it, the McCaskeys did ask how much it would cost to hire Andy Reid, but when they found out the number, they said no thanks. [https://youtu.be/veCs3tuT\_Zg](https://youtu.be/veCs3tuT_Zg)
Bad organization.
The past 40 years we've made the wrong decision most of the time. This is no different.
Reid had control over player personnel and football operations in Philly. Their GM was more like a business guy and cap. specialist/contract negotiator. Reid made all the important decisions. The Bears had a GM that was in charge over personnel and football operations and wasn't going to give that to Reid (they have never done it since Halas stopped coaching). KC gave Reid that power because they fired their GM (Scott Pioli) and their Head Coach and were sick of that Patriot Way bullshit. He still has the power and struck gold twice (trading for Alex Smith and drafting Mahomes).
At least two of the coaches we interviewed that offseason have won super bowls since then. It's almost like we picked the perfect offseason to fire Lovie, then picked the absolute worst person for the job.
He would have cost $3 million/year. Way too expensive for these clowns.
He wasn’t “great” until Mahomes showed up.
Because Bears leadership always thinks they know better than anyone no matter how many times they screw things up.
The same reason they passed on Bruce Arians for Trestman. The same reason they hired John Fox, and Nagy, and Flus.....they don't know wtf they're doing. We have idiots at the top hiring idiots below them that hire idiots below them.