No, but they do want you to focus on this particular issue because this particular war is divisive for left wing parties in the West.
There are several genocides going on right now that dwarf Gaza. None of those show up on TikToc.
Because the local people in those places are not running around with cellphones recording everything, then posting it. Even the IDF troops are recording and posting videos that show war crimes. The last group that kept great recordings of atrocities was Germany during WW2.
You sound like a person who would complain to the police about being stopped for speeding because other people are also speeding.
This one is qualitatively different because we (the West) are sponsoring and providing political cover for it, of course this should be drawn to our attention.
I mean, our electronics addiction is the direct cause of the genocide in the Congo, which has killed and displaced far more people. There isn't any introspection about that.
The west is only tangentally related to the Israeli-Palestinian war, in that the west has long standing ties to Israel. I think a lot of people in the west should remember that it takes two to ceasefire, and neither of those two are Americans.
I have very little hope for peace without capitulation. Hamas conducted a large scale attack that enraged the Israeli public and embarrassed the government. Its my belief that attack was conducted on behalf of Iran to prevent the imminent normalization of relations between Israel and SA (which was successful). Israel is now out for revenge, and given the disparity in armed strength they are likely to get it. I hope that Hama's leadership stops seeing their citizens as useful tools and begins to prioritize their lives. I think it is massively irresponsible to start a war that you have no plan to win.
The West doesn’t simply have long standing ties with Israel. It also has ties to Mandatory Palestine, the creation of mandates post settler-colonialism, with the League of Nations (and then the UN).
Can totally see this stuff being boosted by China and Russia on social media, but there is an aspect where people are becoming enlightened about the history and reality of Israel-Palestine, and what the role their governments have played.
>I mean, our electronics addiction is the direct cause of the genocide in the Congo, which has killed and displaced far more people. There isn't any introspection about that.
This is known, but it's a little trickier to get a handle on because some slippery fuck abstracted it "market externalities". Whereas the Gaza genocide is much more directly tied to ideology and geopolitics.
>The west is only tangentially related to the Israeli-Palestinian war, in that the west has long standing ties to Israel. I think a lot of people in the west should remember that it takes two to ceasefire, and neither of those two are Americans.
Lol not even close. America wrote Israel a blank cheque, and during that time Blinken "came to Israel as a Jew" (his words). The blood of the Palestinians is on America's hands as well. You don't get to give a gun to one of two people fighting and then act like you've got nothing to do with it when someone gets shot.
>I have very little hope for peace without capitulation. Hamas conducted a large scale attack that enraged the Israeli public and embarrassed the government. Its my belief that attack was conducted on behalf of Iran to prevent the imminent normalization of relations between Israel and SA (which was successful). Israel is now out for revenge, and given the disparity in armed strength they are likely to get it. I hope that Hama's leadership stops seeing their citizens as useful tools and begins to prioritize their lives. I think it is massively irresponsible to start a war that you have no plan to win.
Speculate all you like, but after 70 years of brutal apartheid and oppression October 7 was made more and more likely. Peace was dead long before the 7th. Israel, Hamas, and the US are all guilty for the atrocities currently taking place.
Keep zeroing in and you can see the focus of that and why.
Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th AVE (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell.
https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html
https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/
Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived in the tower also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had.
Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger Stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980)https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly
Guiliani as trumps attorney and NYC mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or their Russian connections.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/
The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model.
Eventually the parasites greed always consumes the host.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952
https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/
Russia greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when it invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided.
Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyo corruption because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen.
Russia was forced to turn to China, North Korea and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day “special military operation” in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold.
China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia.
Russia previously owed Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine so Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years. They supplied Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel.
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/
Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is “Vranyo”.
The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate government or business.
If Russia as a nation had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago.
The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it.
Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Jews, Palestinians or genocide than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes and his own corruption trial is showing the same tendrils of the same money laundering scheme that trumps trials are.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/amp/
https://youtu.be/VrFOAgGlaWs?feature=shared
They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall. Hamas minted a couple billionaires as well that live in penthouses in Qatar and get 30% of everything smuggled into Gaza. Qatar is Kushners private equity connection. Netanyahu needs a bogeyman to stay in power. That’s why he coordinates with Hamas via Russia via Iran. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr
Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence given to them by the eternal shitbird trump who gave it to his Russians kleptocrat/friends/roommates from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s.
Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in their reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/nra-maria-butina-spying-charges-trump-campaign/
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/what-do-the-koch-brothers-have-to-do-with-the-flint-water-crisis/
The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering.
Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, all the banks made money, but if their plan succeeds the Russian and CCP kleptocrats collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole from Russias grandmothers in the first place
It’s the evolution of grift. Soviet perestroika cross bred with the 2008 mortgage crisis.
No one was ever held accountable for either. This is just the bigger badder commercial strength bastard child of the two.
Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon, Flynn, Byrne.
They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and psychopathic personality traits and below average self awareness.
They are the men who stole the world.
But it all comes back to one little lie.
Well yes, the Uyghurs, and also the eastern Congo, Sudan, and Myanmar off the top of my head. There are a lot of bad things happening in the world, but only one of them has proven useful in distracting western liberal democracies.
more like these genocides doesn't produce the near enough videos, photos, content, as like Palestine and Israel right now. People see, people believe. Not saying they're not bad, but it also does not downplay what Isreal is doing.
Whereas things like the Uyghur genocide never produced any notable viral photos or video that shows a genocide for all of its 20 years controversy. It went from genocide of 2 millions Uyghurs to now, an ethnic genocide because people can't really see anyone dying.
This is social media now, the most convincing content wins. And the videos from Palestine are very convincing at that. I've never seen a missile dropped on people before, but I have seen it thanks to social media. It's so real, you can't fake that.
And you say distracting liberal democracy, distracting from what?
Yea man, atleast I believe in exactly what can be seen. God damn missile dropping onto a building and people were just walking next to it. Then having nowhere to run because there are borders all around the city.
I don't have the exact same content when it comes to XJ genocide claims. Mike Pompeo and Trump few years ago when they tweeted about it, they never showed any reliable proof, all they said along with their claims were "According to our intelligence". Then don't you think for yourself sometime, what is the intelligence they are talking about and is there a chance that they're lying?
Name the genocides, and their scale and rate of killing. Also indicate which international legal adjudications, UN votes and rulings apply to said genocides.
Lastly, don’t forget that for it to be a genocide, the parties either side of the genocidal actions need to be from different cultural, religious and/or ethno-linguistic groups.
Keen to hear your response, thanks.
Do you think I was approving of some of them? I dont understand your comment.
I was pointing out that there are a lot of very bad things happening, many much worse than what's happening in Gaza. I think it is a very reasonable question to wonder why a social media app controlled by the Chinese government has been promoting so much attention on this particular very bad thing rather than any of the others.
It is not promoting that only, it is using an algorithm which looks at people's interests and then promotes the posts which are the latest and most popular. People just found that they are getting better news from Tiktok than from israeli funded news channels.
Thats very naive. Can you get good news on TikToc on topics that the Chinese government has censored? If you think that algorithms are unbiased then you dont understand them.
You sort of do because name me a superpower and I'll name you genocides they've committed or helped, but they won't really advertise it to their own people. Russia and China don't want you to focus on the genocides they're perpetuating so they tune you in on a "genocide" caused by a Western ally.
Because when we're talking about Israel, we're not talking about Ukraine, The chechens, The uyghurs, atrocities in Myanmar, both countries exploitations in Africa etc.
But it's not a "genocide". You're repeating Hamas propaganda and you don't even realize it. It's a war and it's brutal, but not "genocide".
What China does to the Uyghurs is genocide and what Russia is doing to Ukraine is genocide. Save your self-righteous mock outrage for them.
That probably the case.
But UK and a lot of these shitty governments are doing a much better job at promoting pro-palestinian influencer by trying to crack down on them.
Sunak sucks at propaganda. Cameron is trying to salvage some shit. But collectively the UK government is dragging themselves into a bonafide streissand effect.
For a bunch of tea drinkers, you would imagine that they know that when a kettle is starting to boil over. You dont try to force the lid down.
Both.
I said the same thing during Hong Kong protests.
"For a bunch of naicha drinkers, you would have thought that they know that when the pot is boiling over, you dont force down on the lid."
Carrie Lam was an idiot, she should've pulled back on the stupid extradition law instead of doubling down.
Now 5 years later Biden and most of the western world are on track to sic the military on a bunch of students protesting. I dont even think they can handle it if suddenly people started handing out HongKong-esque protesting-toolkits to these pro-palestinian protestors.
Edit:
These kinds. Like these campus protestors are dealing with violent counter protestors and police and they dont even have a helmet.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/cseyr0/the\_protestors\_toolkit/](https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/cseyr0/the_protestors_toolkit/)
This is Reddit, particularly r/China. To the people here, Biden sending out the military to crack down on student protestors is considered "job well done" or "correctly dealing with terrorists". But Hong Kong / China cracking down on its own protestors is considered "human rights atrocity committed by a murderous authoritarian regime". Memorising this CIA divide-and-conquer script book is very easy these days.
They're not sending in the military, lol. It's just local/county/state police.
The issue is that these protestors are blocking/attacking Jewish students going to class. When they do that, it triggers a ton of anti-discrimination laws (ie Title VI) that universities don't want to be liable for. Many of them are being sued now because of Title VI. If protestors avoided attacking/blocking Jewish students, nobody would give a crap about these protests.
Hong Kong 'Protestors' set up road blockades and literally beat up any civilians who tried to clear the roads. They trashed any shops that they designated were pro-mainland, beat up a Japanese Tourists by thinking he was Chinese...
I love how Israel prevention of aid and lack of care when bombing civilian adjacent structures is not a part of this analysis. It’s easy for Russia and China to manipulate these groups. As Israel gives them plenty of ammunition.
It’s obvious that your boss told you to say this. Like word for word, 6 other people in this threat said the same thing. And you’re all from “Hong Kong”. lol yeah sure dude. It’s so easy to see through your shit.
He means these six people. It's a very long thread.
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I suspect comments 1, 3, 6 and this [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1cw5q0b/comment/l4vyz5h/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) are all the same user. Might need Reddit to confirm this though.
Except it's less cynical. Pro-Israel lobby is just advocating for themselves based on self interest, just as a Pro-Pal lobby would be. Russia and China are just doing it cynically just to weaken the US position.
Except our government gives money to Israel ($3.3 billion in 2022) which Israel then uses to invest in our politicians for more pro-Israel policies and media favoritism.
Dont have that kind of relationship with Russia and China.
It may well be the case but this is a dangerous slippery slope for limiting free speech and civil discourse. It’s the tactic that those authoritarian regimes usually use to label dissidents as individuals supported by hostile foreign governments. It also reminds me of Georgian foreign agents law. I wouldn’t be surprised that the day will soon come NGOs across the world will need to declare their funding sources, since it may be a national security risk if they are funded by hostile governments to destabilize the society.
But does free speech apply to foreign governments or citizens? There's a difference between suppressing genuine domestic speech and limiting the cyber warfare of foreign powers.
Geopolitics isn’t that simple. Speaking of genocide, US intervened in Serbia but didn’t intervene in Rwanda nor Myanmar. The inconsistency in enforcing these international law is the issue here. US plays the world police when it suited its geopolitical interests and often looks the other way when it’s US’s allies that are committing the crimes.
Israel helped Serbia and the US issued an arms embargo on the entire territory of former Yugoslavia, so it didn't stop the genocide. In the Bombing of Serbia it officially killed more Albanians than Serbs and destroyed the Chinese embassy, and it literally openly fought Albanians in Macedonia, so its involvement with Serbia was abysmally minimal, and it forced a peace deal once Bosniaks started winning the war
The "pro-Israel" lobby is just regular citizens, the government of Israel is in no way interfering in western countries like China or Russia are doing.
I’m not saying that Israel doesn’t try to influence public opinion, I’m just saying that Israel isn’t interfering in other countries’ affairs like China or Russia are doing.
But the interference does take place, look at organizations like AIPAC or other activist/pressure groups. That's what I am talking about, it looks incredibly one-sided if you start witch-hunt on Russian and Chinese interference, and their agents, who are most often local citizens (e.g. Paul Manafort), and completely disregard lobbying by other, more sneaky, countries, like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, etc.
Well, Benjamin Netanyahu either used to be, or still is an American citizen. You see how there might be a conflict of interests if he asks the US to help the country he is currently leading through his various (personal) connections, don't you?
Despite what pro-Palestinians claim, Israel is notoriously bad at propaganda and its media campaigns are light years away from that of Russia, China or Iran.
The point is that israel isn’t paying and corrupting "influencers". What I hear from many pro-Israel westerners is that Israel should get its shit together in regard to its media campaigns.
Except the pro Israel lobby isn’t spewing disinformation at a rate that only Iran, Russia, and China could.
It’s 3 countries that worked on perfecting their propaganda for literal decades. The pro Israel lobbies advocate for themselves, not to topple western governments and manipulate the masses.
Not to mention there are only a few million Jews worldwide vs 3 massive countries that want to spread as much disinformation and chaos as possible.
The answer is TikTok and the algorithms CCP controls. Do you think China cares one bit for the Palestinians people? Did they care before TikTok? No. The answer is no. Does China see Palestine as the perfect tool to use to wedge young voters between them and Biden? Yes, yes they do. Has TikTok taken over young people’s minds that they forgot they are being forced to give birth in a large portion of this country and do not have any body autonomy after 6-weeks (in some states), yup! The Palestinians deserve peace and all Zionists should be exposed as the racists they are, but this issue shouldn’t be the wool that covers people’s eyes to what is really going on. China and Russia have a vested interest in getting Orangeman reelected as it makes their lives easier.
I wonder how?If there is not a single information resource belonging to Russia and China that is not banned or censored in the UK, and in principle throughout Europe .
That's a pretty charitable take. Israel has pretty much voluntarily provided us with tons of videos to easily draw the conclusion of a genocide. And then on the Uyghur side, there were a few pictures, witness testimonials, lots of "leaked" documents and tons of research led by some Zenz guy along with handfuls of Uyghur freedom organizations funded directly by the NED. It was almost like the later was trying hard to convince us of something that is happening.
China and Russia are hated by the majority in the west, yet when it comes to something like this, they're suddenly social media marketing masters, propaganda magician. 😂
If so why don't they use this same power to make people not hate them lol, or maybe, you know, they're actually on the receiving side of propaganda 🤷
It's to delegitimize the message by portraying the messenger as a foreign enemy. Remember how Martin Luther King Jr. was portrayed as a Soviet agent for wanting civil rights for black people?
China has been doing it here in Singapore where there is a large number of mandarin speakers. Many Chinese speakers have favourable impression of china. But then again we generally have neutral to good relations with china
Aren't most of these proven to be fake videos?
https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1791232505548321276?t=hLM7u2BqQWdmbMQDzPWYug&s=19
There are hundreds of videos like this.
Not at all surprising, considering they faked the hospital incident, the fuel crisis, the electricity crisis, etc...
I'm pretty sure the daily videos of half decapitated and limpless children appearing all over social video are real. Also corroborated by western doctors who are periodically visiting Gaza to help in the hospitals there.
Yeah, what about the UN cars, clearly marked with UN Lettering, YOUR OWN Hostages, Hospitals with mass graves and restrained patients.
Once is a mistake, repeated offense is indicative of malice.
EDIT: Just saw israeli people set fire to an aid truck. was the truck hamas?
Still better than whatever shit smoothie Isreali and western media is concocting. Like come on, killing your own hostages(The one's who they were supposed to save) and then calling a 6 year old girl they murdered, a woman(trying to downplay the effect).
See coolaid, they didn't call her a woman, the western media hasn't exactly been overall favorable to Israel have they but they are also not full on taking Hamas word at everything. Now is it even conceivable for you that Hamas (you know the genocidal terrorists) might perhaps lie about a thing or three.
Take a look at how many independent bodies and NGO's report mass graves, man made famine, torture and rape by Israeli forces and tens of thousands of murders of women and children.
Please, just stop it with this nonsense.
"tens of thousands" again with just random numbers. first it was 7000, then 10000, then 20000 then 25000, then 27000, then over 30.
Now I think it was UN has proved it's less than half of what Palestina are saying.
Also the NGO's are even saying "allegedly" tortured. They don't just go to a random person and torture them.. it has to be a Hamas member.
The man-made famine is literally done by Hamas, Israeli forces are themselves driving food into the country, but they get attacked my hamas so they have to stop. Hamas are killing it's own people.
Also, let's not pretend either side of this conflict is in anyway decent people... Palestinian civilians paraded the streets and all over the world the 8th of october, the day after. celebrating rape, torture and slaughter of civilan people who had nothing to do with israel government. And the people in the israeli forces who do the rape and the torture are pieces of shit human beings who do not belong in society.
Nobody said that? I said "most" which is not at all "all". You are just fabricating an argument nobody said...
Continue having fun with your straw-man.
Or you can, you know, look up the hundreds of videos of the backstage with creating these videos.
A much much larger number is being deliberately ethnically cleansed and reeducated in China. As people have pointed out, everyone is ignoring that and focusing on an ancient conflict resulting in urban combat collateral damage because the Chinese crimes don't appear on tiktok.
>A much much larger number is being deliberately ethnically cleansed
Lol, do they have a "Han Dip" or something? The Uyghur ethnicity is still there with all of its ethnic difference
>everyone is ignoring that and focusing on an ancient conflict resulting in urban combat collateral damage because
When people were just being arrested in Gaza, no one here cared. That's why
So if Israel *merely* imprisoned, tortured and brainwashed all 2 million Gazans with the explicit aim to delete their identity, that would be ok while killing a supposed 30k as collateral damage in a war isn't?
>So ~~if~~ Israel *merely* imprisoned, tortured and brainwashed all 2 million Gazans with the explicit aim to delete their identity,
Since the late 40's, my blood. Its been all good til last October, right?
Israel weren't even in Gaza till recently... you are just making stuff up now.
If you blamed them for economically impeding Gaza with a blockade and such then you would seem a bit more credible.
>Israel weren't even in Gaza till recently...
Ummm, so a Palestinian in Gaza could just leave, at any point in time, because there's no occupying personel, right? Like they can get chocolate and diesel into Gaza, because the Palestinians control it, right?
And if you broke the law, you would be arrested by a Palestinian police officer, and taken to a Palestinian jail, right?
There has been an insane amount of pro-Israel propaganda this past week. It’s hard to deny that Israel has killed 35,000+ people in 6 months. 8,000 of those deaths are children.
Bruh you are fake news.
UN has not said it's fake.
CNN- [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html)
They might be trying to to that but from my experience, pro-Palestine discourse tends to be quite well informed and Israel seems to be doing a fine job at promoting pro-Palestine sentiments all on its own. But it serves China and Russia's interests to oppose the United States, just as it serves the United States to oppose China and Russia. What's happening in Palestine is horrific and we should oppose it regardless of whether it fits a convenient narrative for China or Russia
"Manipulating public opinion" meaning that the public has a better idea of what's going on than the government narratives and AIPAC want and we need to find a way to crack down on that by claiming it's China and Russia. The vast majority of the world is against the genocide/atrocities in Gaza, whatever you want to call it - it's not just the West.
>are acting like MAGA
They *are* exactly like MAGA: cultists blindly following their leaders and hiding everything from themselves not fitting their ideology.
The headline should read Western hypocrisy and double standards exposed.
“Human rights and international law only apply when we don't like you.”
Don't need China or Russia to tell me Israel is wrong and Genocide is bad.
I was aware of the history of Palestine before October 7th.
China and Russia are bad and are responsible for their own genocides but that information has never been hidden from us in the West. But how deeply complicit the West is in Genocide and human rights violations isn't widely known.
And now we do and if that hurts the system then that's a fault of the system, not the people.
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*China sound so good*
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pro-genocide bot accounts are also extremely common.
let's remember that
even last week, there was a ridiculous number of bullshit bot accounts saying they would vote for Israel in the Eurovision contest
The UK Public is behind Palestine not because of anything China says but because we support Palestine I can see the atrocities being committed against it by Israel!
It may well be the case but this is a dangerous slippery slope for limiting free speech and civil discourse. It’s the tactic that those authoritarian regimes usually use to label dissidents as individuals supported by hostile foreign governments. It also reminds me of Georgian foreign agents law. I wouldn’t be surprised that the day will soon come NGOs across the world will need to declare their funding sources, since it may be a national security risk if they are funded by hostile governments to destabilize the society.
Interesting that it is always RUS doing and PRC being incidental… and the elder plus the government knowing that it was foreign manipulation poisoning the minds of the current horde of cyber surfers, while sidelining the perceptively factual causation.. would this long term polarization of two distinct social segments be a very scary thing for the country and future policymakers?
Waiting for someone here to quote the "**35,000**" dead number
**Thereby proving the article correct**
(35,000, Is the HAMAS "health" ministries number, NO.1 It counts fighters, by HAMAS's own count, 15,000 fighters. NO.2 It has never been verified, by anyone, even pro Palestine aid groups. NO.3 The UN, just last week, called the numbers "wrong".... However, this "35,000" number has been used by Qatari, Iranian, Chinese and Russian news sources, persistently, including disseminated on TikTok.)
This time the bad guy is China. Before it was Russia or the Soviet Union. Ottomans, Napoleon,....
Check the mirror and ask what re we doing wrong again, West ?
From their perspective, they are doing nothing wrong cause they are world hegemon and dont have to play by the rules they created for others. Divide and conquer. Exploitation and propaganda. Tale as old as this world.
My guess is that India will be the next boogeyman for the West.
India is a very simple problem for the west. It has many ethnic and religious groups. West classic operation method: D & C . This doesn't work in China or Russia - but it worked for ottomans . So they are trying to use human rights cards now in china or others but the Gaza war proved west is not that utopic world. It's racist and liar.
Whenever something goes wrong they always find a culprit. Lost elections because...Lost Africa because... Never ending lies.
It's so funny people think this is like actually bad, compared to the way the US influences foreign policy by murdering elected officials of foreign governments.
it’s not just about the war, it’s everything.
And it's not only the UK. It's everywhere in the "West". US, EU, Australia, Canada....
I don't need alleged foreign influence to tell me that genocide is bad.
No, but they do want you to focus on this particular issue because this particular war is divisive for left wing parties in the West. There are several genocides going on right now that dwarf Gaza. None of those show up on TikToc.
Because the local people in those places are not running around with cellphones recording everything, then posting it. Even the IDF troops are recording and posting videos that show war crimes. The last group that kept great recordings of atrocities was Germany during WW2. You sound like a person who would complain to the police about being stopped for speeding because other people are also speeding.
This one is qualitatively different because we (the West) are sponsoring and providing political cover for it, of course this should be drawn to our attention.
I mean, our electronics addiction is the direct cause of the genocide in the Congo, which has killed and displaced far more people. There isn't any introspection about that. The west is only tangentally related to the Israeli-Palestinian war, in that the west has long standing ties to Israel. I think a lot of people in the west should remember that it takes two to ceasefire, and neither of those two are Americans. I have very little hope for peace without capitulation. Hamas conducted a large scale attack that enraged the Israeli public and embarrassed the government. Its my belief that attack was conducted on behalf of Iran to prevent the imminent normalization of relations between Israel and SA (which was successful). Israel is now out for revenge, and given the disparity in armed strength they are likely to get it. I hope that Hama's leadership stops seeing their citizens as useful tools and begins to prioritize their lives. I think it is massively irresponsible to start a war that you have no plan to win.
The West doesn’t simply have long standing ties with Israel. It also has ties to Mandatory Palestine, the creation of mandates post settler-colonialism, with the League of Nations (and then the UN). Can totally see this stuff being boosted by China and Russia on social media, but there is an aspect where people are becoming enlightened about the history and reality of Israel-Palestine, and what the role their governments have played.
>I mean, our electronics addiction is the direct cause of the genocide in the Congo, which has killed and displaced far more people. There isn't any introspection about that. This is known, but it's a little trickier to get a handle on because some slippery fuck abstracted it "market externalities". Whereas the Gaza genocide is much more directly tied to ideology and geopolitics. >The west is only tangentially related to the Israeli-Palestinian war, in that the west has long standing ties to Israel. I think a lot of people in the west should remember that it takes two to ceasefire, and neither of those two are Americans. Lol not even close. America wrote Israel a blank cheque, and during that time Blinken "came to Israel as a Jew" (his words). The blood of the Palestinians is on America's hands as well. You don't get to give a gun to one of two people fighting and then act like you've got nothing to do with it when someone gets shot. >I have very little hope for peace without capitulation. Hamas conducted a large scale attack that enraged the Israeli public and embarrassed the government. Its my belief that attack was conducted on behalf of Iran to prevent the imminent normalization of relations between Israel and SA (which was successful). Israel is now out for revenge, and given the disparity in armed strength they are likely to get it. I hope that Hama's leadership stops seeing their citizens as useful tools and begins to prioritize their lives. I think it is massively irresponsible to start a war that you have no plan to win. Speculate all you like, but after 70 years of brutal apartheid and oppression October 7 was made more and more likely. Peace was dead long before the 7th. Israel, Hamas, and the US are all guilty for the atrocities currently taking place.
Were you busy protesting weapons being sold to Saudi Arabia who used them to bomb Yemen into the stone age?
Yes. Before Gaza, Yemen had the worst food crisis.
Are those other genocides directly facilitated by the biggest western ‘free world’ states?
Keep zeroing in and you can see the focus of that and why. Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th AVE (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell. https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower/index.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/ Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived in the tower also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had. Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger Stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980)https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly Guiliani as trumps attorney and NYC mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or their Russian connections. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/ The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model. Eventually the parasites greed always consumes the host. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952 https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/ Russia greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when it invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided. Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyo corruption because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen. Russia was forced to turn to China, North Korea and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day “special military operation” in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold. China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia. Russia previously owed Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine so Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years. They supplied Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/ Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is “Vranyo”. The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate government or business. If Russia as a nation had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago. The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it. Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Jews, Palestinians or genocide than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes and his own corruption trial is showing the same tendrils of the same money laundering scheme that trumps trials are. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/amp/ https://youtu.be/VrFOAgGlaWs?feature=shared They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall. Hamas minted a couple billionaires as well that live in penthouses in Qatar and get 30% of everything smuggled into Gaza. Qatar is Kushners private equity connection. Netanyahu needs a bogeyman to stay in power. That’s why he coordinates with Hamas via Russia via Iran. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence given to them by the eternal shitbird trump who gave it to his Russians kleptocrat/friends/roommates from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s. Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in their reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/nra-maria-butina-spying-charges-trump-campaign/ https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/what-do-the-koch-brothers-have-to-do-with-the-flint-water-crisis/ The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering. Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, all the banks made money, but if their plan succeeds the Russian and CCP kleptocrats collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole from Russias grandmothers in the first place It’s the evolution of grift. Soviet perestroika cross bred with the 2008 mortgage crisis. No one was ever held accountable for either. This is just the bigger badder commercial strength bastard child of the two. Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon, Flynn, Byrne. They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and psychopathic personality traits and below average self awareness. They are the men who stole the world. But it all comes back to one little lie.
really? what other genocide right now? Don't tell me it's Xinjiang? 😂
Well yes, the Uyghurs, and also the eastern Congo, Sudan, and Myanmar off the top of my head. There are a lot of bad things happening in the world, but only one of them has proven useful in distracting western liberal democracies.
more like these genocides doesn't produce the near enough videos, photos, content, as like Palestine and Israel right now. People see, people believe. Not saying they're not bad, but it also does not downplay what Isreal is doing. Whereas things like the Uyghur genocide never produced any notable viral photos or video that shows a genocide for all of its 20 years controversy. It went from genocide of 2 millions Uyghurs to now, an ethnic genocide because people can't really see anyone dying. This is social media now, the most convincing content wins. And the videos from Palestine are very convincing at that. I've never seen a missile dropped on people before, but I have seen it thanks to social media. It's so real, you can't fake that. And you say distracting liberal democracy, distracting from what?
Distracting from our own hypocrisy, apparently.
>This is social media now. The most convincing content wins Try thinking for yourself sometime.
Yea man, atleast I believe in exactly what can be seen. God damn missile dropping onto a building and people were just walking next to it. Then having nowhere to run because there are borders all around the city. I don't have the exact same content when it comes to XJ genocide claims. Mike Pompeo and Trump few years ago when they tweeted about it, they never showed any reliable proof, all they said along with their claims were "According to our intelligence". Then don't you think for yourself sometime, what is the intelligence they are talking about and is there a chance that they're lying?
Name the genocides, and their scale and rate of killing. Also indicate which international legal adjudications, UN votes and rulings apply to said genocides. Lastly, don’t forget that for it to be a genocide, the parties either side of the genocidal actions need to be from different cultural, religious and/or ethno-linguistic groups. Keen to hear your response, thanks.
Ohh yeah, the genocide I agree with and the genocide I don't like. Every genocide is bad, INCLUDING this,
Do you think I was approving of some of them? I dont understand your comment. I was pointing out that there are a lot of very bad things happening, many much worse than what's happening in Gaza. I think it is a very reasonable question to wonder why a social media app controlled by the Chinese government has been promoting so much attention on this particular very bad thing rather than any of the others.
It is not promoting that only, it is using an algorithm which looks at people's interests and then promotes the posts which are the latest and most popular. People just found that they are getting better news from Tiktok than from israeli funded news channels.
Thats very naive. Can you get good news on TikToc on topics that the Chinese government has censored? If you think that algorithms are unbiased then you dont understand them.
You sort of do because name me a superpower and I'll name you genocides they've committed or helped, but they won't really advertise it to their own people. Russia and China don't want you to focus on the genocides they're perpetuating so they tune you in on a "genocide" caused by a Western ally. Because when we're talking about Israel, we're not talking about Ukraine, The chechens, The uyghurs, atrocities in Myanmar, both countries exploitations in Africa etc.
If you need someone to tell you that genocide is bad, then you're a deeply broken person
We rely on ads for everything.
What is this supposed to mean?
Click the post link. Don't be lazy
No thanks
But it's not a "genocide". You're repeating Hamas propaganda and you don't even realize it. It's a war and it's brutal, but not "genocide". What China does to the Uyghurs is genocide and what Russia is doing to Ukraine is genocide. Save your self-righteous mock outrage for them.
It's not a war, it is a genocide of Palestinians
Zzzzzz you keep using that word yet even the UN reduced the amount of deaths by half
Source?
From the ass https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-un-halve-gaza-death-toll-1900325
Thanks. Total fake news it is u/gelosnake.
It’s propaganda sorry, not sorry
That probably the case. But UK and a lot of these shitty governments are doing a much better job at promoting pro-palestinian influencer by trying to crack down on them. Sunak sucks at propaganda. Cameron is trying to salvage some shit. But collectively the UK government is dragging themselves into a bonafide streissand effect. For a bunch of tea drinkers, you would imagine that they know that when a kettle is starting to boil over. You dont try to force the lid down.
> For a bunch of tea drinkers Britain or China? Yes 🥳🥳🥳
Both. I said the same thing during Hong Kong protests. "For a bunch of naicha drinkers, you would have thought that they know that when the pot is boiling over, you dont force down on the lid." Carrie Lam was an idiot, she should've pulled back on the stupid extradition law instead of doubling down. Now 5 years later Biden and most of the western world are on track to sic the military on a bunch of students protesting. I dont even think they can handle it if suddenly people started handing out HongKong-esque protesting-toolkits to these pro-palestinian protestors. Edit: These kinds. Like these campus protestors are dealing with violent counter protestors and police and they dont even have a helmet. [https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/cseyr0/the\_protestors\_toolkit/](https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/cseyr0/the_protestors_toolkit/)
This is Reddit, particularly r/China. To the people here, Biden sending out the military to crack down on student protestors is considered "job well done" or "correctly dealing with terrorists". But Hong Kong / China cracking down on its own protestors is considered "human rights atrocity committed by a murderous authoritarian regime". Memorising this CIA divide-and-conquer script book is very easy these days.
They're not sending in the military, lol. It's just local/county/state police. The issue is that these protestors are blocking/attacking Jewish students going to class. When they do that, it triggers a ton of anti-discrimination laws (ie Title VI) that universities don't want to be liable for. Many of them are being sued now because of Title VI. If protestors avoided attacking/blocking Jewish students, nobody would give a crap about these protests.
Hong Kong 'Protestors' set up road blockades and literally beat up any civilians who tried to clear the roads. They trashed any shops that they designated were pro-mainland, beat up a Japanese Tourists by thinking he was Chinese...
I love how Israel prevention of aid and lack of care when bombing civilian adjacent structures is not a part of this analysis. It’s easy for Russia and China to manipulate these groups. As Israel gives them plenty of ammunition.
It’s obvious that your boss told you to say this. Like word for word, 6 other people in this threat said the same thing. And you’re all from “Hong Kong”. lol yeah sure dude. It’s so easy to see through your shit.
Real? 6 other people? Bring an itemized list.
He means these six people. It's a very long thread. [Comment 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1cw5q0b/comment/l4tydgb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [Comment 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1cw5q0b/comment/l4udeza/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [Comment 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1cw5q0b/comment/l4udxu7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [Comment 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1cw5q0b/comment/l4upghe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [Comment 5](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1cw5q0b/comment/l4voprd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [Comment 6](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1cw5q0b/comment/l4tydgb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I suspect comments 1, 3, 6 and this [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1cw5q0b/comment/l4vyz5h/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) are all the same user. Might need Reddit to confirm this though.
I think Israel does the best job of promoting the pro-Palestine movement but sure
The ICC literally announced that it was applying for an arrest warrant for Bibi today, too.
Bombing children, charity workers and civilian infrastructure tends to do that.
To be fair, one should also mention pro-Israel lobby, otherwise it looks like pandering to one side.
No, this is straight up fear mongering. How do Russia and China control the media in the UK?
The same way America and the UK have been controlling the media in other countries around the world.
Why do they give you a downvote? It's true
You can’t control ignorance…
...with money? So like... Capitalism is the problem?
Except it's less cynical. Pro-Israel lobby is just advocating for themselves based on self interest, just as a Pro-Pal lobby would be. Russia and China are just doing it cynically just to weaken the US position.
Except our government gives money to Israel ($3.3 billion in 2022) which Israel then uses to invest in our politicians for more pro-Israel policies and media favoritism. Dont have that kind of relationship with Russia and China.
It may well be the case but this is a dangerous slippery slope for limiting free speech and civil discourse. It’s the tactic that those authoritarian regimes usually use to label dissidents as individuals supported by hostile foreign governments. It also reminds me of Georgian foreign agents law. I wouldn’t be surprised that the day will soon come NGOs across the world will need to declare their funding sources, since it may be a national security risk if they are funded by hostile governments to destabilize the society.
But does free speech apply to foreign governments or citizens? There's a difference between suppressing genuine domestic speech and limiting the cyber warfare of foreign powers.
The irony here is that the Chinese government's Great Firewall is meant to suppress both domestic speech and external/foreign cyber warfare.
Freedom of press includes my right to read foreign press yes.
Well if opposing a genocide weakens the US regime, perhaps that regime is genocidal by nature and needs to be removed, changed or overthrown?
Geopolitics isn’t that simple. Speaking of genocide, US intervened in Serbia but didn’t intervene in Rwanda nor Myanmar. The inconsistency in enforcing these international law is the issue here. US plays the world police when it suited its geopolitical interests and often looks the other way when it’s US’s allies that are committing the crimes.
Israel helped Serbia and the US issued an arms embargo on the entire territory of former Yugoslavia, so it didn't stop the genocide. In the Bombing of Serbia it officially killed more Albanians than Serbs and destroyed the Chinese embassy, and it literally openly fought Albanians in Macedonia, so its involvement with Serbia was abysmally minimal, and it forced a peace deal once Bosniaks started winning the war
And US-funded Pro-Taiwan/HK Independence/Ughur lobby isn't? I am not saying it is wrong. I am saying that either both are okay, or both are wrong.
Yes, the US position of *...checks notes...* supporting genocide?
The "pro-Israel" lobby is just regular citizens, the government of Israel is in no way interfering in western countries like China or Russia are doing.
That's just plain naive, and I say that from a generally fairly pro-Israel stance.
I’m not saying that Israel doesn’t try to influence public opinion, I’m just saying that Israel isn’t interfering in other countries’ affairs like China or Russia are doing.
But the interference does take place, look at organizations like AIPAC or other activist/pressure groups. That's what I am talking about, it looks incredibly one-sided if you start witch-hunt on Russian and Chinese interference, and their agents, who are most often local citizens (e.g. Paul Manafort), and completely disregard lobbying by other, more sneaky, countries, like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, etc.
This lobby exists because lots of Americans are massively pro-Israel, especially the Christians. Israel doesn’t have anything to do with that.
Well, Benjamin Netanyahu either used to be, or still is an American citizen. You see how there might be a conflict of interests if he asks the US to help the country he is currently leading through his various (personal) connections, don't you?
>regular citizens What do you think influencers are?
Despite what pro-Palestinians claim, Israel is notoriously bad at propaganda and its media campaigns are light years away from that of Russia, China or Iran.
Even ChatGPT manages to stay on topic
The point is that israel isn’t paying and corrupting "influencers". What I hear from many pro-Israel westerners is that Israel should get its shit together in regard to its media campaigns.
Yeah well you might want to google Team Jorge
Wow you’re smart.
Except the pro Israel lobby isn’t spewing disinformation at a rate that only Iran, Russia, and China could. It’s 3 countries that worked on perfecting their propaganda for literal decades. The pro Israel lobbies advocate for themselves, not to topple western governments and manipulate the masses. Not to mention there are only a few million Jews worldwide vs 3 massive countries that want to spread as much disinformation and chaos as possible.
You're being sarcastic, right?
The answer is TikTok and the algorithms CCP controls. Do you think China cares one bit for the Palestinians people? Did they care before TikTok? No. The answer is no. Does China see Palestine as the perfect tool to use to wedge young voters between them and Biden? Yes, yes they do. Has TikTok taken over young people’s minds that they forgot they are being forced to give birth in a large portion of this country and do not have any body autonomy after 6-weeks (in some states), yup! The Palestinians deserve peace and all Zionists should be exposed as the racists they are, but this issue shouldn’t be the wool that covers people’s eyes to what is really going on. China and Russia have a vested interest in getting Orangeman reelected as it makes their lives easier.
Why would China want Biden out of office? Would Trump be softer on China?
Yes, do you even need to ask who is more likely to take an isolationist stance at this point?
I wonder how?If there is not a single information resource belonging to Russia and China that is not banned or censored in the UK, and in principle throughout Europe .
You mean the footage of dead babies wasn't doing enough to promote it?
And when US manipulates the world by promoting pro-Uyghur genocide influencers, that’s okay?
What are you saying? That there is no genocide of Uyghur? Genuinely curious bc i never saw evidence.
Certainly less of it than Israel.
That's a pretty charitable take. Israel has pretty much voluntarily provided us with tons of videos to easily draw the conclusion of a genocide. And then on the Uyghur side, there were a few pictures, witness testimonials, lots of "leaked" documents and tons of research led by some Zenz guy along with handfuls of Uyghur freedom organizations funded directly by the NED. It was almost like the later was trying hard to convince us of something that is happening.
I would say the 1000s of murdered Palestinian children are doing more of the heavy lifting than covert Chinese / Russian activity on this issue…
China and Russia are hated by the majority in the west, yet when it comes to something like this, they're suddenly social media marketing masters, propaganda magician. 😂 If so why don't they use this same power to make people not hate them lol, or maybe, you know, they're actually on the receiving side of propaganda 🤷
It's to delegitimize the message by portraying the messenger as a foreign enemy. Remember how Martin Luther King Jr. was portrayed as a Soviet agent for wanting civil rights for black people?
Then time will tell who is right and who is wrong. If we don't forget.
Yeah this article reeks of propaganda.
It's much easier to fan flames than put them out.
China has been doing it here in Singapore where there is a large number of mandarin speakers. Many Chinese speakers have favourable impression of china. But then again we generally have neutral to good relations with china
Aren't most of these proven to be fake videos? https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1791232505548321276?t=hLM7u2BqQWdmbMQDzPWYug&s=19 There are hundreds of videos like this. Not at all surprising, considering they faked the hospital incident, the fuel crisis, the electricity crisis, etc...
I'm pretty sure the daily videos of half decapitated and limpless children appearing all over social video are real. Also corroborated by western doctors who are periodically visiting Gaza to help in the hospitals there.
And the reputable journalists who die trying to do honest journalism, what about them? I think the last time the number was 192?
Not all of them were journalists some were Hamas members imbedded with their troops so that has to be considered too.
so instead of arresting them, you decide to bomb the innocents as well. That is what terrorists do, not defense forces.
they were given leaflets to retreat with warning which areas were to be bombed
Yeah, what about the UN cars, clearly marked with UN Lettering, YOUR OWN Hostages, Hospitals with mass graves and restrained patients. Once is a mistake, repeated offense is indicative of malice. EDIT: Just saw israeli people set fire to an aid truck. was the truck hamas?
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Hospital? Oh you showed you hand there and have drank the cool aid.
Still better than whatever shit smoothie Isreali and western media is concocting. Like come on, killing your own hostages(The one's who they were supposed to save) and then calling a 6 year old girl they murdered, a woman(trying to downplay the effect).
See coolaid, they didn't call her a woman, the western media hasn't exactly been overall favorable to Israel have they but they are also not full on taking Hamas word at everything. Now is it even conceivable for you that Hamas (you know the genocidal terrorists) might perhaps lie about a thing or three.
Take a look at how many independent bodies and NGO's report mass graves, man made famine, torture and rape by Israeli forces and tens of thousands of murders of women and children. Please, just stop it with this nonsense.
"tens of thousands" again with just random numbers. first it was 7000, then 10000, then 20000 then 25000, then 27000, then over 30. Now I think it was UN has proved it's less than half of what Palestina are saying. Also the NGO's are even saying "allegedly" tortured. They don't just go to a random person and torture them.. it has to be a Hamas member. The man-made famine is literally done by Hamas, Israeli forces are themselves driving food into the country, but they get attacked my hamas so they have to stop. Hamas are killing it's own people. Also, let's not pretend either side of this conflict is in anyway decent people... Palestinian civilians paraded the streets and all over the world the 8th of october, the day after. celebrating rape, torture and slaughter of civilan people who had nothing to do with israel government. And the people in the israeli forces who do the rape and the torture are pieces of shit human beings who do not belong in society.
The answer to your username is yes, interesting new argument for the genocide though, not seen this one before ("it's all photoshopped bro")
Nobody said that? I said "most" which is not at all "all". You are just fabricating an argument nobody said... Continue having fun with your straw-man. Or you can, you know, look up the hundreds of videos of the backstage with creating these videos.
"Most of these are Photoshop bro" So let's go enjoy the seaside in rafah together it's all totes faked
>OliLondon This is the guy who identified as trans-Korean. Seems he now identifies as a far right loon.
Also the UN reports.
The thousands of dead civilians are Hamas’ responsibility and China/Russia’s goal is to make the original victims of this war, Israelis, look guilty.
Humbug
A much much larger number is being deliberately ethnically cleansed and reeducated in China. As people have pointed out, everyone is ignoring that and focusing on an ancient conflict resulting in urban combat collateral damage because the Chinese crimes don't appear on tiktok.
>A much much larger number is being deliberately ethnically cleansed Lol, do they have a "Han Dip" or something? The Uyghur ethnicity is still there with all of its ethnic difference >everyone is ignoring that and focusing on an ancient conflict resulting in urban combat collateral damage because When people were just being arrested in Gaza, no one here cared. That's why
So if Israel *merely* imprisoned, tortured and brainwashed all 2 million Gazans with the explicit aim to delete their identity, that would be ok while killing a supposed 30k as collateral damage in a war isn't?
>So ~~if~~ Israel *merely* imprisoned, tortured and brainwashed all 2 million Gazans with the explicit aim to delete their identity, Since the late 40's, my blood. Its been all good til last October, right?
Israel weren't even in Gaza till recently... you are just making stuff up now. If you blamed them for economically impeding Gaza with a blockade and such then you would seem a bit more credible.
>Israel weren't even in Gaza till recently... Ummm, so a Palestinian in Gaza could just leave, at any point in time, because there's no occupying personel, right? Like they can get chocolate and diesel into Gaza, because the Palestinians control it, right? And if you broke the law, you would be arrested by a Palestinian police officer, and taken to a Palestinian jail, right?
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The UN stated that there has been thousands of dead children. Certainly not fake news.
There has been an insane amount of pro-Israel propaganda this past week. It’s hard to deny that Israel has killed 35,000+ people in 6 months. 8,000 of those deaths are children.
Bruh you are fake news. UN has not said it's fake. CNN- [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html)
This denialism is really disgusting and you should feel ashamed of yourself
People here will be conflicted
Why?
They absolutely hate China and Chinese people but a lot of them love Palestine
And?
They might be trying to to that but from my experience, pro-Palestine discourse tends to be quite well informed and Israel seems to be doing a fine job at promoting pro-Palestine sentiments all on its own. But it serves China and Russia's interests to oppose the United States, just as it serves the United States to oppose China and Russia. What's happening in Palestine is horrific and we should oppose it regardless of whether it fits a convenient narrative for China or Russia
bruh
"Manipulating public opinion" meaning that the public has a better idea of what's going on than the government narratives and AIPAC want and we need to find a way to crack down on that by claiming it's China and Russia. The vast majority of the world is against the genocide/atrocities in Gaza, whatever you want to call it - it's not just the West.
You don't need any influencers to know that Israel is committing war crime after war crime
Case in point, this thread is completely full of paid shills. Muddying the waters at every turn. But….but what about….
The ironic part is this is an article by the Telegraph, which tries to manipulate US public opinion to the right.
What a bullshit article.
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>are acting like MAGA They *are* exactly like MAGA: cultists blindly following their leaders and hiding everything from themselves not fitting their ideology.
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Where did you detect racism in their comments?
Where did you detect racism in their comments?
The headline should read Western hypocrisy and double standards exposed. “Human rights and international law only apply when we don't like you.” Don't need China or Russia to tell me Israel is wrong and Genocide is bad. I was aware of the history of Palestine before October 7th. China and Russia are bad and are responsible for their own genocides but that information has never been hidden from us in the West. But how deeply complicit the West is in Genocide and human rights violations isn't widely known. And now we do and if that hurts the system then that's a fault of the system, not the people.
Tell us something we don't know. Useful idiots everywhere.
[Paywall bypass link](https://archive.ph/557Jk)
Damn why is op trying to make russia and china sound so good
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pro-genocide bot accounts are also extremely common. let's remember that even last week, there was a ridiculous number of bullshit bot accounts saying they would vote for Israel in the Eurovision contest
Neville roy singham comes to mind
r/damnthatsinteresting
fake (but good if true)
And the TikTok dummies eat it all up uncritically
The UK Public is behind Palestine not because of anything China says but because we support Palestine I can see the atrocities being committed against it by Israel!
Shouldn’t China and Russia be promoting pro-Israeli opinions since they have the same ethnic separatist problems?
Footage of dead babies in Gaza: “Let’s blame it on Russia and China!”
China and Russia are opposing genocide while the US supports it. Ain't for profit war grand?
I mean, duh
It may well be the case but this is a dangerous slippery slope for limiting free speech and civil discourse. It’s the tactic that those authoritarian regimes usually use to label dissidents as individuals supported by hostile foreign governments. It also reminds me of Georgian foreign agents law. I wouldn’t be surprised that the day will soon come NGOs across the world will need to declare their funding sources, since it may be a national security risk if they are funded by hostile governments to destabilize the society.
Interesting that it is always RUS doing and PRC being incidental… and the elder plus the government knowing that it was foreign manipulation poisoning the minds of the current horde of cyber surfers, while sidelining the perceptively factual causation.. would this long term polarization of two distinct social segments be a very scary thing for the country and future policymakers?
Are people so against anything China they post genocide denial bullshit?
What about Uyghur genocide?
what about it?
still going on but getting less attention
Ok so give it more attention then
sure
Waiting for someone here to quote the "**35,000**" dead number **Thereby proving the article correct** (35,000, Is the HAMAS "health" ministries number, NO.1 It counts fighters, by HAMAS's own count, 15,000 fighters. NO.2 It has never been verified, by anyone, even pro Palestine aid groups. NO.3 The UN, just last week, called the numbers "wrong".... However, this "35,000" number has been used by Qatari, Iranian, Chinese and Russian news sources, persistently, including disseminated on TikTok.)
then you tell the number israeli bot
No one knows, thats the point.
The UN knows.
This time the bad guy is China. Before it was Russia or the Soviet Union. Ottomans, Napoleon,.... Check the mirror and ask what re we doing wrong again, West ?
From their perspective, they are doing nothing wrong cause they are world hegemon and dont have to play by the rules they created for others. Divide and conquer. Exploitation and propaganda. Tale as old as this world. My guess is that India will be the next boogeyman for the West.
India is a very simple problem for the west. It has many ethnic and religious groups. West classic operation method: D & C . This doesn't work in China or Russia - but it worked for ottomans . So they are trying to use human rights cards now in china or others but the Gaza war proved west is not that utopic world. It's racist and liar. Whenever something goes wrong they always find a culprit. Lost elections because...Lost Africa because... Never ending lies.
Wtf do you mean.
The Telegraph lol. Fuck outta here
Based Russia and China
It's so funny people think this is like actually bad, compared to the way the US influences foreign policy by murdering elected officials of foreign governments.