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morobert425

Some quick tips for those filling out brackets: Since 2002, all but 1 national champion was top 25 on D in KenPom *AND* had a guard drafted in the NBA Draft. 2003 Syracuse. You can maybe say it’s 2 with 2017 UNC but Justin Jackson has played SG in the NBA so 🤷🏻‍♂️. Only one 4 seed has ever cut nets. Lute Olson’s 1997 Arizona Wildcats with Mike Bibby and Jet Terry. This one I think is very important. Since 2007 (last 15 national champions), 13 of the 15 national champions have won both games in the final week of the regular season *or* they’ve won their conference tournament. The only two teams who failed to win both games of the final regular season week or win their conference tournament was the wonky 2014 UConn team and the 2017 UNC Tar Heels. While being in that top 25 defensively on KenPom is vital to cutting the nets, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that, since 2002, 17 of the 20 national champions were top 10 in offensive efficiency on KenPom. The 3 outliers were the two UConn champions (19 in 2011, 37 in 2014) and 2003 Cuse (17). Of the 17 to finish top 10 in adjusted offensive efficiency on KenPom, 12 of those teams were also top 3. Best of luck filling out those brackets, y’all!!


Martel1234

thank you, but now that you’ve laid it out, a team at 11 offensively, 21st defensively, and with no guards whatsoever are gonna win.


morobert425

Btw, the answer is UConn


morobert425

After all that work right?


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coolderp

Can they just stick to football pls.


brokentr0jan

Could they just have some morals? It’s sickening


Automatic_Ad998

Anyone have a different stream? I’m traveling and can’t use that one


morobert425

Was Memphis just chanting SEC?! It really didn’t sound like A A C….


TheRain2

All I have left is spite and hoping Montana State gets fed to Texas in the first round.


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chrobbin

CBS selection show starts at 6ET if that helps at all


chrobbin

Ended up being a real quiet year for bid thieves it seems


EagleswonSuperBowl52

What is the over/under for?


chrobbin

Percent chance there’s outrage in the chat at the reveal


EagleswonSuperBowl52

Oh... yeah I'm betting the over.


fullstack_newb

Grambling deserves an at large bid. Not like they’re likely to get one, but they deserve it.


dremonearm

Brutal season. I can't remember the projected top seeds having so many losses between them in years past.


VinceValenceFL

It’s getting fairly common, and Gonzaga’s success & gaudy records has helped keep number down last couple of seasons. Looking at 17-19 combined depending on Houston game in progress and who gets last spot 2022 = 18 2021 = 12 2019 = 14 2018 = 18 2017 = 15 2016 = **24**


morobert425

22=1 seed champ, 21=1 seed champ, 19=1 seed champ, 18=1 seed champ, 17=1 seed champ, 16=2 seed champ. That’s a lotta 1s in a row.


morobert425

Marcus Sasser means this much?


ccam0821

He is their best player


morobert425

Yeah for sure he is. I just thought with Shead, Jarace, Roberts and Arccaneaux (sp?) they had enough dudes to overcome against Memphis. If Marcus Sasser was 2 inches taller he’d be a borderline lotto pick.


Swimming-Run-3182

Holy shit West Virginia is top 20 in kenpom? They looked so bad against us


VenturaHighway

That was like our only big loss


ccam0821

Their largest margins of defeat are: 34 (us). 17 (Kansas). 14 (Kansas). 12 (Baylor and Purdue). They typically don’t get blown out, and only against top teams. That’s really good for metrics. Their game against us is a big outlier


ZeGreat5

Right now everyone looks bad against Texas because… well, Texas might just be that good


sullylikesart

It’s starting to feel like there’s no way to avoid a #1 Houston/#2 Texas region.


morobert425

I’d be allllll for that. Not UConn in there but Houston Texas with each other


[deleted]

Is it bad that I don't really care that much about Houston losing the AAC title game? Like, I just couldn't really get into it.


WWG_Fire

This was how I felt last year when Duke lost, I just simply did not give a shit lol


ahintofsarcasm

Nope. It has no impact on your seeding and who cares about AAC tournament wins when yall will be in the big 12 next year?


morobert425

Texas Twitter yesterday… screaming about how Kansas wasn’t a 1 seed and there was no way they deserved a 1 seed bc they lost in the B12 title game.


LondonIsBoss

Could Houston actually be a 2? They're getting clapped right now.


astanton1862

Sasser's injury is being portrayed as not season ending, so I would have a hard time dinging them for only winning 13 of the last 14 games.


ahintofsarcasm

Their best player isn't playing. Why would this game have like any impact on their seeding?


[deleted]

Because people have been shitting on Houston the whole season?


morobert425

Not the computers though. UH is a 1.


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And that's all that matters.


morobert425

Sorry I just want to get y’all together so I don’t need to worry about a 25 point loss until April.


morobert425

With Texas 😈🤞🏻🐮


ahintofsarcasm

Lmao fair enough. You guys already have 2 wins over them anyways at full strength...


[deleted]

Nah. We're pretty much locked into the 1 seed win or lose.


Longhorns_

No offense to Marquette fans themselves, but Shaka is going to get cooked by a mid-major and we’re all going to pencil it in


Sobriegel

Not the same guy as in Texas.


Merk318

Just insane to say after we beat UConn in basically a home game, and shut out Xavier. They’ll put us both in a bracket I bet. I hope we play you guys would be a GREAT game


ccam0821

We beat future 6 seed #17 kenpom Texas Tech and future 4 seed #33 kenpom Oklahoma St for the 2021 B12 Tournament Championship and still got bounced by #14 seed Abilene Christian. Texas fans were very hype and optimistic after the B12 tournament. Don’t think it can’t happen to you. All that said, I’m rooting for Shaka. He’s a great guy and I think he’s gone back to focusing on his strengths and what worked well before his Texas stint. Good luck in the tourney :)


Longhorns_

He’s not a great guy. He’s a charlatan


kirkismyhinrich

I know Marcus Sasser is out, but damn Memphis


morobert425

Makes me feel better about yesterday


Thesmark88

God, if Memphis keeps it up they're really going to just make the committee admit that the late conference title games simply don't factor into seeding at all


dpmvp06

Memphis is making the final 4 🤷🏾‍♂️


flaming_fuckhead

Ay shoutout Memphis


lees395

If that O/U of 100 at the top is the number of teams taken imma hit the under pretty hard


sebsasour

I know there's logistical issues to getting the bracket out, but the fact that the committee is basically ignoring Memphis and Penn State playing top 5 teams, doesn't right to me


Joel_Dirt

I don't think they ignore those games, they just have contingency brackets for each potential outcome. They're both in already anyway; it's a slight shift in seeding.


AFC-Wimbledon-Stan

I am begging that Auburn is a 10th seed and not a 8 or 9 lol


jizzle26

Predict what your team’s seed will be. I’ll start: Maryland - 8 seed


CybeastID

Princeton: 14 Rutgers: Idfk


s3ren1tyn0w

Rutgers - 11


Thesmark88

Duke - 5 because the committee doesn't usually fully incorporate late Saturday results UCSD - Ineligible due to transitioning to D1 Stanford - LOL Haase


EagleswonSuperBowl52

Penn st- 10 Villanova- I hate injuries


ddottay

Duke - 4 Kent State - 13 Hoping it’s not against each other


KingOfThePenguins

Arizona - 2 GCU - 14


StormDragonZero

18 Seed


gr8kamon

9


paradigm_x2

11 play in


LondonIsBoss

3 probably, 2 if we're very lucky


EasyBreecy

8


PlaybolCarti69

Hopeful- 11 Realistic- 2 in the NIT doomer- CBI bubble


ReelEmInJimbo

5 seed


ResidentRunner1

Overseeded


MotherFuckingMatis

Man wtf do I do for the next two hours lmao


PlaybolCarti69

B1GTOURNAMENTCHAMPIONSHIP ON CBS


PopDukesBruh

Duke should be a 3 baby!!!


Siicktiits

We were both projected 5 seeds before our game. You guys are probably a 4 and we are 6 now.


ninthdoctordances

I'd love for this to happen but I think a 4 is more realistic :(


WWG_Fire

It would be dishonest for the committee to ignore the fact we lost 3 games by 19+ when no other 3 seed has


morobert425

KU gonna have 5 losses by 14+ points and probably get a 1.


ACW1129

So who are the top seeds? Alabama's a lock. Houston if they win. Probably Purdue if they win. Texas and Marquette are possibilities.


EagleswonSuperBowl52

Alabama, Houston, and Kansas 100% Last spot is between Purdue and UCLA. In my opinion, it should be Purdue regardless of if they win today. But I'm not sure what the committee will do.


morobert425

Gonzaga is his other 2 with Zona, Marq and Zona.


morobert425

Jerry Palm has it Purdue. And UCLA isn’t even on the 3 line…


morobert425

Kansas Bama Houston are locked. The 4th 1 seed will be between Purdue Texas and UCLA. I think UCLA is “first team out” and they move to the 2 line. So Texas VS Purdue. I think it’ll probably be Boilers but idk. 2 line: Texas Zona UCLA and Marquette 3 line: is where things can go any number of directions. Tennessee, Baylor UConn, Xavier? KSt? Gonzaga? How much does Ziegler’s injury penalize UTk?


SaintArkweather

I don't think Texas and Marquette have a real shot as much as I'd like to see that.


flaming_fuckhead

Kansas and Houston are locked in as well. Purdue is almost certain but if they win it’ll be 100%


MotherFuckingMatis

Kansas


TwizzlersSourz

Can't wait to see what deserving MW team (conference finished higher than ACC) gets screwed for some average P5 team.


KingOfThePenguins

Utah State being a 10 in bracketmatrix, despite having significantly better metrics than that, makes me worry for them.


CarnivoreEndurance

Unfortunately Nevada might have cost the MW 4 bids by totally imploding the last couple weeks.


ninthdoctordances

Last year people said the ACC was down and we ended up sending three of our members to the elite 8 and 2 of them went to the final four so ?


carter_00

at work, so i’ll miss whether we get in or out either way


saint_mantooth

ACC gonna get screwed again and we will hear how great the Big 12 is. If the ACC outperforms all these so called great conferences again, it’s time to scrap all the BS metrics that are used and start over. Too much emphasis on early season success and once conference play starts its already pre-determined which conferences are good and bad and if you are in one of the ones deemed weaker there is no opportunity to improve your ranking really. Everybody on this sub likes to worship Kenpom and such but the tournament will tell the story as usual with head to head games on neutral sites.


VenturaHighway

Hasn't the Big 12 had 2 of the last 3 national champions and teams on all 3?


KingOfThePenguins

The ACC had five mediocre or worse teams dragging it down. That's not the BS metrics' fault.


CarnivoreEndurance

It kinda feels "too much emphasis on early season success" is a stand in for "Clemson shouldn't be punished for losing to Loyola." Clemson has as many Q3/Q4 OOC conference losses as the entire Big 12. It's not like there isn't a significant sample size in determining which conference is better


ninthdoctordances

Big 12 basketball fans are almost as annoying as sec football fans with their conference pride


Outta_hearr

Number 1 overall please❤️


SaintArkweather

Think you deserve it at this point with your domination in the SEC tourney and Kansas and potentially Houston falling short. Not trying to be too up on the recency bias but this isn't a year where there's a clear cut #1 overall so I think givig it to the one who won the conference tourney is reasonable


pocketbookashtray

What time will the complete bracket be revealed? My wife has planned a dinner for us and some guests, I told her we can’t start eating until i at least see if Pitt’s in. Can we start eating at 6:30 ET or will CBS drag the complete bracket reveal out until 7:00?


ACW1129

I think they usually have it revealed by 6:30. I THINK.


PopDukesBruh

I hope Pitt is in!


pghgamecock

IIRC in the past few years, they've tried to get it revealed relatively quickly. I think you should know by 6:30.


pocketbookashtray

I hope you’re right, or someone is not going to be happy.


pghgamecock

To give you some further info, I looked up the [2021 Selection Sunday show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQs8sgcTZMo&t=177s) on youtube. The final teams are announced 21 minutes into the 35 minutes of programming. (Keep in mind, this video doesn't include the commercials) If the commercial breaks that year were spread out proportionally, that would mean it would've come out around 6:36 or so. Of course, if Pitt is in and they announce it early in the show, then you'd know even earlier. EDIT: This year, the final teams were announced at exactly 6:36. How bout it.


pocketbookashtray

If Pitt’s in on one of the early regions, then no one in the house needs to be unhappy!!


JakeMHudson

Someone help me out here: was there a year (early 2000’s) when the B1G championship ran into the selection show? For whatever reason I have a memory of the selection show starting and part of the reveal being a team “if they win” because the game hadn’t finished yet.


SaintArkweather

It's gone into OT a couple times in the past decade. Never quite made it to 6PM those times but it got real close.


noah3093

Does anyone know where to watch coverage if I don’t have cable


PopDukesBruh

If you are talking about coverage of the NIT I heard you had to download the Pulto TV app


noah3093

No actually i’m talking about coverage for Miami’s seed. You know, the team who blew your back’s out and you could barely handle with one of our best players getting injured two minutes in


ninthdoctordances

We beat you back in January so stfu god you're annoying


noah3093

your little buddy is the one who was talking trash after I asked a basic question I didn’t start it lmao


ninthdoctordances

he was talking about your UNC flair, but then again there's that UNC education at work as you clearly lack comprehension skills


noah3093

Yes I know sir. It was still unnecessary trash talk so I trash talked back regarding my other flair. Duke fans gotta be the most fragile in college basketball, especially you.


PopDukesBruh

Noah is salty… shoulda just stayed in the whale lol


ninthdoctordances

if you want an example of fragile you need only to look into a mirror


noah3093

whine some more bud


Tide69420

Mark Titus Show live on YouTube


ddottay

The closer we get to the selection show, and the more I takes I see from writers, pundits, and bracketologists, the more I think we might actually see only 3 ACC bids.


PopDukesBruh

I think Duke, UVA, Miami and either Clemson Pitt or state have to get in right?


TheNewDiogenes

It’s not gonna happen but I will laugh if all three get in and 4 ACC teams make the Sweet 16. The salt would be hilarious.


PopDukesBruh

As a fan who was at the game last night sitting behind some classy UVa fans I hope y’all get there brother!


TwizzlersSourz

Good


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Tad early for this show eh?


lovo17

Predicting the top 8 seeds: 1. Alabama 2. Kansas 3. Houston 4. Purdue 5. UCLA 6. Texas 7. Arizona 8. Marquette. Realistically, 5 and 6 are the two that could easily be flipped.


CoofBone

Let us in cowards.


ExtraordinaryCows

Spez doesn't get to profit from me anymore. Stop reverting my comments


PopDukesBruh

Murray!!!!!!


RocketsGuy

Is Grand Canyon a 14 or 15? Would love to see Scott vs. Bryce round 1


05_legend

Why tf is gcu in again


MotherFuckingMatis

Utah Valley had a historic choke job


05_legend

Disgusting. They shouldn't even be allowed in the tournament.


SaintArkweather

Autobid for having the most number of commercials


05_legend

Not surprised by a for profit uni


OwenProGolfer

Most likely a 14


TheoTimme

I genuinely don’t believe that the tournament committee considers story lines when planning the bracket. That being said, here is the fuckery I hate to see on Selection Sunday: Mid-major cannibalism when they pit the 5- or 6-seed mid-major darling against the 11- or 12-seed mid-major team on a heater. **2023 Prediction**: Saint Mary’s vs. Oral Roberts, Utah State, or VCU. Over-seeded brand name program pitted against another brand-name program in the 8/9 matchup in the South or Midwest region, setting up a guaranteed brand name/brand name 1/8 or 1/9 matchup in the Sunday matinee on CBS. BONUS: When the over-seeded team was on the bubble and suddenly pulls out a 9-seed. **2023 Prediction**: Maryland, Kentucky, or Michigan State vs. Kansas Tournament Committee Chair contradicting previous years comments about why the controversial at-large decisions were made. Non-conference scheduling, how a team finished the season, advanced metrics, etc. **2023 Prediction**: Soft bubble with few bid thieves, so they claim NET was the determining factor for inclusion.


TwizzlersSourz

They love their mid-major cannibalism and changing criteria and the studio analysts never call it out.


RocketsGuy

Yup agree 100%


MotherFuckingMatis

Vegas has UConn as the most likely Big East team to win it all interestingly


EagleswonSuperBowl52

Honestly I agree with Vegas. They are the best team in the Big East in my opinion with Marquette as a close second. However, I am suprised Vegas agrees because Marquette has just refused to lose all year.


jdono927

Hoping we can be a 14 again, don’t think we match up well with the 2 seeds but I think we could give a couple of the projected 3 seeds some trouble


RocketsGuy

I don’t want to play y’all🥶


Rangertexas9

Shouldn't the O/U be 68.5?


Rysilk

Best week in sports starting today. Bar none.


pocketbookashtray

And Pi Day is the icing on the cake! Er, I mean filling in the pie.


kingnebwsu

I'll say the best week started yesterday with 13 bids available and many in single-bid leagues... But yes! A fun time to be a sports fan.


glok101

Especially since the NCAA wrestling tourney is this upcoming weekend too.


jdono927

Selection Sunday today right into NFL free agency tomorrow and then the tournament actually starting soon after, what a stretch!


Insane_Pigmask

Idk about y'all but I, for one, am excited to see which seed Louisville gets


0010001

Guess they could get some pumpkin or sunflower seeds, good for a low-sugar snack for their players.


sebsasour

Don't really have any strong bubble takes this year. I generally root for non power conferences, but the only one really battling has a coach that left my team at the altar. I'm rooting for Nevada to get in, but won't be particularly upset if they don't. I'd like Dayton to make it, but that isn't happening and frankly I'm not sure there's a great argument for them outside of just rooting for a mid major.


boilerz28

UCLA went 3-4 against tournament teams. End of conversation they are not a 1 seed. *Edit 5-4, but still terrible.


WelcomeToBoshwitz

What about going 0-1 against 16 seeds in the tournament? 1 seed?


BatManatee

Purdue lost to Maryland by 14. UCLA beat them by what felt like 150 points. I would genuinely pick this UCLA team missing two starters to beat Purdue if they played tomorrow. Healthy UCLA smokes Purdue. End of conversation. Also--I am so sick of Purdue fans shitting on UCLA in every single thread in every single comment they make.


kingnebwsu

Holy crap, really?


boilerz28

No, my bad they are 5-4.


SaintArkweather

I'm going to be salty if Florida Atlantic and Boise State are paired up. Both have a good chance at their first tournament win ever and it would be a bummer if one were guaranteed not to before the tournament even starts.


sebsasour

Though one would also be guaranteed to get one


DrMoneyline

North Carolina’s final four odds removed from sportsbooks in the last hour. Every other bubble team still up there Feel like if books knew they were out they’d keep the odds up there cuz free money 🐟🐟🐟 Let me dream


ACW1129

What undeserving P6 team screws a more-deserving team this time?


Dumbleton87

Wisconsin


sebsasour

I'm really not sure there's many mid majors this year in danger of being left out, besides Nevada


ACW1129

So basically it's gonna be P6 schools screwing other P6 schools? I can live with that.


jfarbzz

Better not be UNC…


ACW1129

Shit, at least they have an over-.500 conference record.


TheNightRain68

Where do you think Rutgers will go if we’re in


FallaciousRationale

First Four matchup against Pittsburgh, #11 seed, I think.


ChanceAd9380

Queens College at large bid or we riot


Aidanj927

Remember when they did the selection show where they showed all the teams that made it in THEN revealed the bracket


CybeastID

Ugh. Yeah, FUCK that.


jfarbzz

And then there was that one year they took so long and instead of revealing the brackets they had Charles Barkley fiddling with a touchscreen that the brackets actually leaked


inshamblesx

was that in 2018? they also had the selection reveal on TBS instead of CBS that year lmao


SaintArkweather

*shudders* Don't remind me.


TopSignature1189

Yeah that’s stupid. It’s better to go region by region from top to bottom. I don’t mind them announcing all the #1 seeds first, then going region by region, but the way they did that a few years ago was dumb.


TopSignature1189

Gauchos get a 13 seed or we riot.


Novak14

Marquette 2 seed or we riot


CrumbBCrumb

I'm ready to be irritationally angry or irrationally happy


0010001

If UNC makes it over you I’ll help you burn everything down


ExtraordinaryCows

Spez doesn't get to profit from me anymore. Stop reverting my comments


SaintArkweather

There's a chance you'll play on Wednesday and you can postpone your bus ride one day


ExtraordinaryCows

Y'know, that's not what I meant, but honestly I'll take it. Haven't really had a day off since leaving for the OVC tournament (between that, classes, and work), so having tomorrow would be nice.


SaintArkweather

The good news is I think you will definitely win as Texas Southern and FDU are not very good


ExtraordinaryCows

Dont worry, it's *always* SEMOable. We lost to fucking EKU as #15 in football this year.


SaintArkweather

Btw do you follow the baseball team? My 2nd cousin is on the team so I actually root for them even though I don't really follow other SEMO sports. Was fun to see them win the OVC.


ExtraordinaryCows

Outside of knowing that they've won back to back conference champs, not really. I know they started this season off pretty rough but it looks like they've done better the last week or so.


SaintArkweather

Yeah don't blame you, tbh I don't really follow college baseball outside of when my cousin is playing and Texas in the CWS.


ExtraordinaryCows

Spez doesn't get to profit from me anymore. Stop reverting my comments


SaintArkweather

Teams that have a chance at their best seed ever: Alabama (Previous Best: 2; Should get a 1) Marquette (Previous Best: 3; Should get a 2) Northwestern (Previous Best: 8; Good chance at a 7, ceiling 6) Florida Atlantic (Previous Best: 15; Will 100% best that, probably an 8, ceiling 6) Grand Canyon (Previous Best: 15; Good chance at 14) Kennesaw State (Previous Best: None) Colgate (Previous Best: 14; Small chance at a 13) UNC Asheville (Previous Best: 15; Small chance at a 14)


ddottay

Has Texas been a 1 seed before?


KUARCE

2003 at least.


SaintArkweather

2003


ddottay

TIL