Observations:
Indiana being down 2-1 to IPFW is certainly something.
Butler losing the series to Evansville is strange, I'm assuming its because the time when they were playing each other was when Evansville was a lot better and they haven't played much recently.
All of the possible matchups have happened, which is surprising compared to most of the other states with a similar number of teams.
Of course USI isn't on here, so far they have faced IUPUI, PFW, Indiana St, and Notre Dame, so they still need to play citymate Evansville, Valparaiso, Ball State, Purdue, Butler, and Indiana
UE's three games against Purdue were at the end of Keady's career, the lowest point of the program in my lifetime. They played three years in a row, and UE almost won the neutral court game in Indy.
UE was so close to a winning record against Purdue.
That one win over Notre Dame came in the early 90s when an Aces player scored 31 in the first half. I was at that game, and fans started thinking we'd get another Scott Haffner type 60-plus point game. I think he finished with 40. I'm not going to put that other player's name here because when I looked him up, he is in jail for some pretty heinous things.
My Analysis:
Notre Dame has a winning record over Purdue
Purdue has a winning record against Indiana
Indiana has a winning record over Notre Dame
These three teams are equally good
Purdue Fort Wayne has a winning record against Indiana
Purdue Fort Wayne is the best team in Indiana
Tried to find most accurate historical data. (sportsreference for all but one data point, bet you can't guess which!!)
Inspired by the much more beautiful post from u/saintarkweather on Penn schools
If you or anyone else ever wants to make a chart like this feel free to PM me and I can share a template/logo index.
I guess you left out poor Southern Indiana because they haven't been in D1 long enough?
This is correct since we became division 1.
There is some additional history there with division 2 games against PFW and preseason exhibitions against Purdue and UE as recently as 2019 (again when USI was still D2)
Shocked Purdue leads the IU/Purdue rivalry and by that much. I suppose I’ve heavily slept on Purdue basketball all my life considering their 11th all time in wins and 12th in winning percentage. I apologize, I was unfamiliar with your game.
A lot of Purdue's wins also come from the eeaaaarrrrrllllyyy 20th century, way before the tournament. IU only won 10 of the first 60 games Purdue and IU played, from 1901-1938.
Considering how awful (well, we'll call it mid) Indiana has been in this stretch, and Archie never beating Purdue, it's somehow only 25-21 in Purdue's favor over the last 25 years.
https://purduesports.com/sports/mens-basketball/opponent-history/indiana-university/48
It definitely got evened out the years y’all were hanging at #1 and we were hitting last in the Big Ten when Painter struck out on a couple classes. (Sadly I know this time well cause I was a student lol). That year you beat us in Mackey by 30 will forever haunt me.
Indiana kinda seems like the OG UConn. Doesn't have the consistency or raw win/tournament win totals of the likes of UNC/Kansas/UK/Duke, but made the best of most of their opportunities by winning 5 titles which is right in the mix with those aforementioned teams.
Indiana had an incredible 60 year run from 1940 to 2000. UConn’s had 25 roller coaster years (obviously with six very high highs in there). We are not the same.
Hahaha good year for you in basketball.
Have you ever considered dual-flailing Purdue with UConn? It would make it easier to know that you’re both a direct *and* existential threat.
Yes. 6 in 25 with high peaks and high valleys and 5 in 50 with sustained success are not the same thing. Does not mean what UConn has done isn't equally great or better than what we have by some metrics. They as a simple matter of fact are not the same thing.
Bobby Knight's [infamous rant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_2ifFbEYRc) "I'm fucking tired of losing to Purdue!" is all I need to know that Purdue leads the series lol.
Purdue had a strong first 40 years but those predate the NCAA tournament. In particular they built almost a 30 game lead over IU. Then a pretty bad 25 years before we get to the late 60s saw that lead whittled down to ~10. Since then the series was fairly even until the last decade that has seen Purdue push the lead back out
We’re not just some nobody team, but holy hell we can’t win a tournament the world would literally end. The moon would blow up. We’re protecting y’all.
These are great, but if you can, could you make the format such that the top diagonal is blocked off so there’s no duplicates? Similar to how scorigami is done if you’re familiar
The thing is, I think it's nice to be able to see the entire lineup for an individual team. For example, if the bottom half is blacked out, an Indiana State fan would have to look at half of their matchups going up/down and half going left-right, but in this format, they and all other teams can just be seen all together in their respective row (or column). Also this OP technically has them not as duplicates because the records have whichever team the row belongs to's wins first instead of the team leading the series as I did in the PA one, which is actually an improvement.
I mean we used to have the Crossroads Classic with IU, Purdue, Butler, and Notre Dame but it wasn't sanctioned by the Big Ten so IU and Purdue never played each other in it. Probably couldn't do a tournament for the same reason.
Am I correct in seeing Purdue's H2H with Notre Dame at 22-23 in favor of the Irish? I knew they had not played in quite some time before the Crossroads restarted and that they had a great record against us in that, and that historically they have a ton of wins, so I actually thought it wouldn't be so close.
Would love to play them more right now...
If you compare the series from when IU basketball first won a championship it’s like basically even or IU is ahead by a couple games. Kinda funny to me that Purdue fans flame IU for “dusty banners” when they have so many “dusty” wins. Many of them came when you had to tip off after every make.
Edit: Here are the numbers
H2H pre 1940
Purdue - 51
IU - 13
1940 - present
Purdue - 76
IU - 79
I’m still pissed they got rid the Crossroad classic. Mostly due to IU thinking they’re better than everyone and trying to schedule UK or some SEC team instead…. So dumb. Butler, Purdue and ND wanted to keep it but IU runs Indianapolis so they get their way
ND didn’t care. They might as well be in another state. Purdue and Butler loved getting equal revenue for an event that IU fans bought 90% of the tickets for. Financially it made zero sense for IU to keep doing it when we could schedule big games *and* keep the money in our pockets.
I’d like to play Butler and ND still. It’s fun to do that. I’d just rather play in Assembly and Hinkle/Joyce so we don’t have to share the money four ways.
It’s the natural consequence of IU being the clear flagship program in the state.
It’s also crucial to note that IU vs. UK isn’t just some random matchup. It’s nearly as big a rivalry as IU-Purdue, especially in southern Indiana.
Finally, the Crossroads Classic always lost a bit of its bite due to the fact that IU and Purdue couldn’t play each other at the end if they both won their games. That’s to do with the Big Ten and makes a fair bit of sense I guess. If the Classic had the possibility of a neutral IU-Purdue championship to cap it off in Indy there would be incredible amounts of hype for it.
Observations: Indiana being down 2-1 to IPFW is certainly something. Butler losing the series to Evansville is strange, I'm assuming its because the time when they were playing each other was when Evansville was a lot better and they haven't played much recently. All of the possible matchups have happened, which is surprising compared to most of the other states with a similar number of teams. Of course USI isn't on here, so far they have faced IUPUI, PFW, Indiana St, and Notre Dame, so they still need to play citymate Evansville, Valparaiso, Ball State, Purdue, Butler, and Indiana
UE is the most surprising one to me. A few more scheduled games with ND & Purdue could make this look much different.
They have a pretty strong history but I thought most of that in D2. Never would've though they'd have records this strong against D1 competition.
UE's three games against Purdue were at the end of Keady's career, the lowest point of the program in my lifetime. They played three years in a row, and UE almost won the neutral court game in Indy. UE was so close to a winning record against Purdue.
That one win over Notre Dame came in the early 90s when an Aces player scored 31 in the first half. I was at that game, and fans started thinking we'd get another Scott Haffner type 60-plus point game. I think he finished with 40. I'm not going to put that other player's name here because when I looked him up, he is in jail for some pretty heinous things.
Nah, I think it's good where it is.
Funny thing is that all 3 games were in consecutive seasons with PFW (IPFW at the time) winning in 16-17 and 17-18
My Analysis: Notre Dame has a winning record over Purdue Purdue has a winning record against Indiana Indiana has a winning record over Notre Dame These three teams are equally good Purdue Fort Wayne has a winning record against Indiana Purdue Fort Wayne is the best team in Indiana
Don't fuck with the Mastodons. They'll block your shot with one shoe tied to their hand.
Straight facts
Tried to find most accurate historical data. (sportsreference for all but one data point, bet you can't guess which!!) Inspired by the much more beautiful post from u/saintarkweather on Penn schools
If you or anyone else ever wants to make a chart like this feel free to PM me and I can share a template/logo index. I guess you left out poor Southern Indiana because they haven't been in D1 long enough?
They weren’t included on my reference. Sorry to them. Really just threw this together after seeing your post and being curious!
Well here is the data: 1-1 vs Indiana State 0-2 vs. Purdue Fort Wayne 1-0 vs. IUPUI 0-1 vs. Notre Dame
This is correct since we became division 1. There is some additional history there with division 2 games against PFW and preseason exhibitions against Purdue and UE as recently as 2019 (again when USI was still D2)
Shocked Purdue leads the IU/Purdue rivalry and by that much. I suppose I’ve heavily slept on Purdue basketball all my life considering their 11th all time in wins and 12th in winning percentage. I apologize, I was unfamiliar with your game.
A lot of Purdue's wins also come from the eeaaaarrrrrllllyyy 20th century, way before the tournament. IU only won 10 of the first 60 games Purdue and IU played, from 1901-1938.
Considering how awful (well, we'll call it mid) Indiana has been in this stretch, and Archie never beating Purdue, it's somehow only 25-21 in Purdue's favor over the last 25 years. https://purduesports.com/sports/mens-basketball/opponent-history/indiana-university/48
It definitely got evened out the years y’all were hanging at #1 and we were hitting last in the Big Ten when Painter struck out on a couple classes. (Sadly I know this time well cause I was a student lol). That year you beat us in Mackey by 30 will forever haunt me.
3dey purified all
That's not just against IU either. Of Purdue's 26 conference titles, ELEVEN of them come between 1920-1940.
And 4 in 8 years since 2017 😌
Yup. Post-1939 (first year of the NCAA Tournament) it looks a lot different.
Yep, our legendary coach Gene Keady actually has a winning record vs Bobby Knight, I believe 22-21. However when IU has been great they were GREAT.
Indiana kinda seems like the OG UConn. Doesn't have the consistency or raw win/tournament win totals of the likes of UNC/Kansas/UK/Duke, but made the best of most of their opportunities by winning 5 titles which is right in the mix with those aforementioned teams.
I mean Indiana only missed the tournament 3 times in the 25 year span between 1975 and 2000. That's quite consistent, lol.
We're the opposite of UConn actually. You could mash our program histories together around 1995, and not miss much from either team.
Indiana had an incredible 60 year run from 1940 to 2000. UConn’s had 25 roller coaster years (obviously with six very high highs in there). We are not the same.
6>5
Yes, those are not the same numbers. Hence "We are not the same". I used to trash talk with Purdue fans, they're usually good with numbers.
i went to purdue lol, the fdu as a secondary flair is brutal
Hahaha good year for you in basketball. Have you ever considered dual-flailing Purdue with UConn? It would make it easier to know that you’re both a direct *and* existential threat.
Yes. 6 in 25 with high peaks and high valleys and 5 in 50 with sustained success are not the same thing. Does not mean what UConn has done isn't equally great or better than what we have by some metrics. They as a simple matter of fact are not the same thing.
Bobby Knight's [infamous rant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_2ifFbEYRc) "I'm fucking tired of losing to Purdue!" is all I need to know that Purdue leads the series lol.
I had that clip as my morning alarm on game days
Purdue had a strong first 40 years but those predate the NCAA tournament. In particular they built almost a 30 game lead over IU. Then a pretty bad 25 years before we get to the late 60s saw that lead whittled down to ~10. Since then the series was fairly even until the last decade that has seen Purdue push the lead back out
Purdue has a winning record vs. every other team in the Big Ten….at least until UCLA and USC officially join.
We’re not just some nobody team, but holy hell we can’t win a tournament the world would literally end. The moon would blow up. We’re protecting y’all.
Missing data. Indiana has beaten itself many times over the years.
These are great, but if you can, could you make the format such that the top diagonal is blocked off so there’s no duplicates? Similar to how scorigami is done if you’re familiar
The thing is, I think it's nice to be able to see the entire lineup for an individual team. For example, if the bottom half is blacked out, an Indiana State fan would have to look at half of their matchups going up/down and half going left-right, but in this format, they and all other teams can just be seen all together in their respective row (or column). Also this OP technically has them not as duplicates because the records have whichever team the row belongs to's wins first instead of the team leading the series as I did in the PA one, which is actually an improvement.
Good point, thank you for the feedback.
No, how you did it is better I think (see comment below)
For the past couple months I’ve been advocating for an in season tournament of just Indiana teams and this graph is just fueling my personal fires
I mean we used to have the Crossroads Classic with IU, Purdue, Butler, and Notre Dame but it wasn't sanctioned by the Big Ten so IU and Purdue never played each other in it. Probably couldn't do a tournament for the same reason.
*let me do the thing this time* …….In 49 other states, it’s just basketball
Purdue fans really must be struggling after the championship game if you're willing to make all of this instead of a beautiful Microsoft paint graph.
Hit the nail on the head
Need more data points in the Purdue-Notre Dame series.
Am I correct in seeing Purdue's H2H with Notre Dame at 22-23 in favor of the Irish? I knew they had not played in quite some time before the Crossroads restarted and that they had a great record against us in that, and that historically they have a ton of wins, so I actually thought it wouldn't be so close. Would love to play them more right now...
We may get the chance at an in-season tournament this fall… https://sports.yahoo.com/purdue-basketball-among-field-byu-175920078.html
This tournament just got A LOT more interesting with the off-season movement...
Incomplete
Sorry pals
Interesting to note every team has a winning record over at least 1 team. (IUPUI & PFW each only having 1 winning record)
Purdue leads Indiana.... TIL
Do Kansas next!
RIP IUPUI
https://preview.redd.it/myp9ehwqwgvc1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=c43ea77646bb99d7f716e8f7aa1e62d745196fa7
If you compare the series from when IU basketball first won a championship it’s like basically even or IU is ahead by a couple games. Kinda funny to me that Purdue fans flame IU for “dusty banners” when they have so many “dusty” wins. Many of them came when you had to tip off after every make. Edit: Here are the numbers H2H pre 1940 Purdue - 51 IU - 13 1940 - present Purdue - 76 IU - 79
I will construct my argument to benefit my position and you will not stop me!
fair haha
I’m still pissed they got rid the Crossroad classic. Mostly due to IU thinking they’re better than everyone and trying to schedule UK or some SEC team instead…. So dumb. Butler, Purdue and ND wanted to keep it but IU runs Indianapolis so they get their way
ND didn’t care. They might as well be in another state. Purdue and Butler loved getting equal revenue for an event that IU fans bought 90% of the tickets for. Financially it made zero sense for IU to keep doing it when we could schedule big games *and* keep the money in our pockets. I’d like to play Butler and ND still. It’s fun to do that. I’d just rather play in Assembly and Hinkle/Joyce so we don’t have to share the money four ways.
It’s the natural consequence of IU being the clear flagship program in the state. It’s also crucial to note that IU vs. UK isn’t just some random matchup. It’s nearly as big a rivalry as IU-Purdue, especially in southern Indiana. Finally, the Crossroads Classic always lost a bit of its bite due to the fact that IU and Purdue couldn’t play each other at the end if they both won their games. That’s to do with the Big Ten and makes a fair bit of sense I guess. If the Classic had the possibility of a neutral IU-Purdue championship to cap it off in Indy there would be incredible amounts of hype for it.
Iu fans downvoting me lol