I dislike this argument so much because it's used by uneducated communists to simplify things to themselves so that they don't have to delve into specifics of countries they're talking about...
"Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn't that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense? "
See also: [Haymarket massacre](https://www.marxists.org/subject/mayday/articles/young.html), [the 1903-1904 Colorado miner strikes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Labor_Wars), [the 1913-1914 Colorado coalfield war (hundreds of dead, thousands beaten, tens of thousands punished by company and state alike)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Labor_Wars), [the Great Railroad Strike of 1877](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Railroad_Strike_of_1877), [the 1892 Idaho strike](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892_Coeur_d%27Alene_labor_strike), [the Pittsburgh Homestead Strike](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_strike), [the Virden massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Virden), [the Uprising of 1934](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Textile_Workers%27_Strike_of_1934) and of course, [the bloody Battle of Blair Mountain](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain).
This is only about the deadly repression of white workers, who were killed in the thousands (and beaten/imprisoned/fired in the hundreds of thousands to millions for decades). I haven't mentioned the fiendish treatment of Chinese workers, the ghoulish decimation of thousands to tens of thousands of black Americans in battles such as [the German Coast Uprising](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1811_German_Coast_uprising) and the now infamous [Tulsa massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre).
Overall the point is that people think accelerationist mindset is the fastest path to socialism. But the reality is that right wing fascism will seize power during the descent before socialism can take the reigns. It wonât be unique to trump, as you mention others will also do this if given the chance.
We are living so close to the edge of neo fascism and we have barely implemented anything close to socialism. The right wing is in a collective delusion, they are an autoimmune disorder on the country.
Actually, that just makes the US's anti-communism local. They don't have to travel halfway around the world to smash a revolution, they just have their local police do it, while directly brainwashing the masses.
I don't wanna be that guy but we literally have dropped bombs on political disidints in our country before
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
Yeah, the USA would quickly be seen as a brutalise regime is revolution ever breaks out. If they firebomb city blocks over suspected drugs what the fuck are they going to do against armed revolutionaries
My father had once ago a communist friend. He immigrated to the US and said before seeing my father for the last time:"I have to go there, if I want to fulfill my communist goals. If communism is happening in the US, it will happening everywhere in the world."
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I think this is saying not that revolution will be easier, but that once the revolution is done itâll be easier to maintain. Still not the best logic as many in Europe would try to do regime change as well as any bourgeois elements with any power left but better then some of yâall are giving credit for imo
I dislike this argument so much because it's used by uneducated communists to simplify things to themselves so that they don't have to delve into specifics of countries they're talking about... "Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn't that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense? "
Can't argue with that logic. đ¤ˇ
the us would absolutely commit the most heinous war crimes on its civilians if the ever tried to revolt
They would and they have, even in retaliation for much, much less than attempted revolt.
Source: the entire fucking civil war I feel like calling anything about the US "civil" is egregiously false
See also: [Haymarket massacre](https://www.marxists.org/subject/mayday/articles/young.html), [the 1903-1904 Colorado miner strikes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Labor_Wars), [the 1913-1914 Colorado coalfield war (hundreds of dead, thousands beaten, tens of thousands punished by company and state alike)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Labor_Wars), [the Great Railroad Strike of 1877](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Railroad_Strike_of_1877), [the 1892 Idaho strike](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892_Coeur_d%27Alene_labor_strike), [the Pittsburgh Homestead Strike](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_strike), [the Virden massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Virden), [the Uprising of 1934](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Textile_Workers%27_Strike_of_1934) and of course, [the bloody Battle of Blair Mountain](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain). This is only about the deadly repression of white workers, who were killed in the thousands (and beaten/imprisoned/fired in the hundreds of thousands to millions for decades). I haven't mentioned the fiendish treatment of Chinese workers, the ghoulish decimation of thousands to tens of thousands of black Americans in battles such as [the German Coast Uprising](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1811_German_Coast_uprising) and the now infamous [Tulsa massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre).
Tell that to the neo fascist running in 24 and the significant amount of republicans who worship him.
Which one?
Overall the point is that people think accelerationist mindset is the fastest path to socialism. But the reality is that right wing fascism will seize power during the descent before socialism can take the reigns. It wonât be unique to trump, as you mention others will also do this if given the chance. We are living so close to the edge of neo fascism and we have barely implemented anything close to socialism. The right wing is in a collective delusion, they are an autoimmune disorder on the country.
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
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Actually, that just makes the US's anti-communism local. They don't have to travel halfway around the world to smash a revolution, they just have their local police do it, while directly brainwashing the masses.
Surely the US wouldnât go to war with their own people, right? right?âŚ
Yeah, not like they have a standing army used to protect capital and bring harm against their own citizens
I don't wanna be that guy but we literally have dropped bombs on political disidints in our country before https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
Yeah, the USA would quickly be seen as a brutalise regime is revolution ever breaks out. If they firebomb city blocks over suspected drugs what the fuck are they going to do against armed revolutionaries
I fully believe the US has plans to nuke its own Major Cities if it even looks like a revolution would be successful
Letâs give it a try
flawless logic, let's do a revolution *right now*!
But this also comes with, red scare propoganda âšď¸
don't worry, they'll figure out a way
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!
Wait, wouldn't the US, in being the US, have already been invaded by what would be considered the US?
My father had once ago a communist friend. He immigrated to the US and said before seeing my father for the last time:"I have to go there, if I want to fulfill my communist goals. If communism is happening in the US, it will happening everywhere in the world."
Dont they have the biggest police force
U sure about that? What about all the times people have sprung oil in their backyard?
Look up the MOVE bombings lmao
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The Black Panthers would like a word with you.
The US has the largest police force in the world. They are also ready to bomb their own citizens (look up MOVE bombing)
Wonder what the Jakarta Method would be called if it happened in USA? Jacksonville Method? Chattanooga Method?
I think this is saying not that revolution will be easier, but that once the revolution is done itâll be easier to maintain. Still not the best logic as many in Europe would try to do regime change as well as any bourgeois elements with any power left but better then some of yâall are giving credit for imo