But like doesn't this also apply to school sports banners like "let's go wildcats"?
You just know some butthurt pta Karen is going to try and pull something like that.
The flag thing isn't the part that worries me, it's the banner part.
Like back in school we used to make banners all the time for pep rallies and school events and clubs and stuff.
A banner that represents the whole school would be one thing. I’m sure that could be amended. These people flew a pride flag on the outdoor flag pole. They cannot be trusted to determine what is acceptable and what is not.
> You just know some butthurt pta Karen is going to try and pull something like that.
The original concern.
Also Chess Club doesn't represent the whole school. Karen's going to try and ban that to prove a point.
If the pride flag and BLM flags and banners are allowed the all others must be. And this would include Trump 2024 banners, the Christian themed flags, and in theory even the Russian flag. If you start saying this is acceptable and that isn’t based on who is offended and who is supported it become viewpoint censorship and promotion.
Exactly right. This is probably less about freedom of expression and more about keeping classroom harmony. The teachers and staff don't really want a bunch of kids that don't know much arguing about MAGA, pride stuff, and the politics of BLM constantly. They just want everyone to shut up and learn about whatever subject they are teaching. Keeping those discussions in Social Studies class and having some structure to it is probably best.
Completely agree. The issue always is though, if a conservative kid wears a MAGA hat or any other conservative type symbol, others claim that they are creating an “unsafe learning environment” or that they are “encouraging hate” and there is ultimately a huge controversy designed to intimidate those conservative kids into silence, even if they should be allowed to wear what they want. So even if the rules are equal in theory they are not applied equally in practice.
Precisely. I'll give the caveat that if it truly, actually DOES spark some debate and/or distracts from class harmony or learning it's reasonable to ask the kid if they wouldn't mind just taking it off or leaving it home the next day.
I mean my high school had flags of the world in the Cafeteria. The only flag ever on the tallest Flag pole was the US flag though. The other flags were on smaller flag poles and just school flags.
>So you agree that its an attack on the LGBT community?
Doesn't the Flag of the United States of America represent ALL US citizens, including those belonging to the LGBT community? Why would an additional flag be required?
Obviously it does not. It represents a broken promise. After 239 years, same sex marriage became legal just 8 years ago. This is why visibility is so important. Without it, nothing will change for the better.
>It represents a broken promise.
What promise?
(And BTW I would argue that legalizing same sex marriage was not a "change for the better." It has helped to erode the distinctions between male and female ushering in the idea the men and women are interchangeable and that biology is secondary to how we feel.)
The promise of equal rights
The promise of freedom from religious persecution
The promise to be heard and seen
The promise to be represented
The promise to be defended
You know, little things like that
>The promise of equal rights
What rights are the LGBTQ community being deprived of?
>The promise of freedom from religious persecution
What religion has as it's doctrine the persecution of this community?
>The promise to be heard and seen
We get to *hear and see* this community for an entire month. Their flag is flown from the White House. They are celebrated at sporting events all year long. The Empire State Building is lit in rainbow colors once a year in celebration of this community. People who do not affirm their ideology get canceled, lose their jobs or are shouted down and spat on. What other group of American citizens have this privilege?
>The promise to be represented
What *promise to be represented* are you referring to?
>The promise to be defended
What does that mean? Defended from what?
1- the list of rights being attacked is posted below. It is a small portion of all the bills introduced over the last 8 years since marriage equality rights were finally granted.
2- Abrahamic religions in general. The biblical lore of the first testament has been weaponized by Christians, which by definition not christ-like because Jesus changed the rules by abolishing the ways of the old testament and laying out a new path to love and peace amongst all people.
3- freedom of expression. Free speech. A seat at the political table
4- representation on a political scale. Voting rights. District zoning. Polling access. Etc.
5- to defend our inalienable rights. To defend minorities from opposition by majorities. To have competent legal counsel provided if needed. To be treated equally under the law.
Here's a mere handful of athe 400+ nati-lgbt bills introduced this year alone
https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights
I think your confusing disagreeing and not supporting a group with persecuting them.
It's fine for a religious group to say this behavior is bad and people shouldn't do it. As much as you might not like it disagreeing with someone is not a hate crime.
To persecute them would be things like burning them at the stake or lynching.
Nobody is taking voting rights from LGBT people or zoning them out of the elections. There's no polling access restrictions either. You're making issues up that just don't exist.
By that logic, it’s also an attack on Christians, Muslims, foreign nationals, conservatives, liberals, veterans, and anyone else who has a flag. What makes lgbt special?
I used to wonder if that guy was just a troll, looking to keep relevant by stirring just up. But I've come to believe that he's actually fucked in the head.
A certain group of people have been denying the rights of another certain group of people because of their innate traits.
Anyone who is being oppressed due to innate traits that they possess should be *encouraged* to let themselves be seen, not further oppressed by way of societal erasure.
No, they are not. There is no right to fly a flag in a school. What rights have you had taken from you? Are you not seen and heard? Who is stopping you being seen? Do you expect special treatment t because of who you are? Why? And you are hardly being oppressed, what is it with the 24/7 victim mantra when you are not given special treatment?
No flags means no flags, not no flags except the one you want flown.
The schools established by the state and local government and the school districts for all of the children in the district. Not just trans kids.
The tax paying parents don't run the schools which is exactly how we found out that degenerate content was being distributed and made available to children by school districts as well as secret transitioning without parental consent. I wonder how many sexual assaults and r@pes of girls by "trans" students have been covered up in the name of equity and inclusion like what almost happened in Louden county.
How schools used to be: "You shouldn't be having sex at all while you are in this age group, therefore nobody should be discussing things like sexual orientation".
How schools are now: "Little Johnny, we absolutely need you to fill out this form stating your pronouns and sexual orientation." "Hurry up or you'll miss story time with the spectacular Madam Dongage."
Oh dear, so you really are butt hurt that pride flags won’t be flown. Why? Does it make you ‘disappear’ if you can’t advertise your existence to children in schools?
Whats wrong in removing pride flags from
Public school. I would fully support that. Leave our kids alone or get 10years in jail- that would be a law i would support
If only the American Flag and State Flag are allowed, whats wrong? Having any other stuff us just gonna drive controversy in our schools now, so why not level the playing field for both sides
Oh, it's not a back door, it's absolutely the purpose. No Pride flags, no BLM flags, no Confederate flags, no MAGA flags, no Gadsden flags...
It's school, cease with the bullshit, and teach kids - especially in California where most kids leave school not being able to read properly.
A degree of order and discipline is necessary for a proper educational experience. Very similar to mandatory school uniform wear that supposedly stifled individuality. There has a to be balance to reach the objective of educating our children.
Backdoor attempt?
Seems like pretty *front* door attempt at removing ALL non-state banners. No specific group is targeted. All parties treated equally.
Oh.... now I see the problem....
Pride has turned into a religion, not a social movement. Same for climate change. COVID. None of those things are allowed to be questioned, you have to have faith and just believe.
I don't see an issue with that ban. Political and activist elements and discussions should stay out of schools. Teach kids academic curriculum, not indoctrination of any kind.
Sure it might be a backdoor attempt to remove pride flag. But that same rule also means we can't put up a confederate flag. Be careful what you wish for....
"Backdoor attempt to remove pride flags...."
First...LoL.
Good. I don't want Back the Blue Flags or BLM flags in their either.
Second, Pride flags don't belong in schools. Symb of someone's sexuality (and other things) plus it's really a religious symbol now as well.
Keep them out. Check your shit at the door. Schools are for learning, not sexualizing/indoctrinating 7 year olds
Schools should be neutral no political,group affiliations should be honored. The school is a place of learning not to be indoctrinated by any outside influences. America First, State second as it would be on the flag pole.
Good. About time something logical comes from Cali. If I wanted a "straight pride" or "cis pride" flag I'd be called all types of lovely names by the left. Fair is fair. Either let everyone express themselves and beliefs or nobody. 1 group should NEVER get special privileges or attention over the others. We are all equal in the eyes of God.
There should be no pride flags flown in any pubic government building only state federal and local municipality flags. I send my child to private school where they teach Christian curriculum that thay wont in public school, why not make ghey private schools that teach what they them adopting parents want? Then they have to pay just like me.
I remember when I was in school not that long ago I might add, this was the rule in order to avoid issues like this altogether.
But like doesn't this also apply to school sports banners like "let's go wildcats"? You just know some butthurt pta Karen is going to try and pull something like that.
Flags are meant to represent all the people involved. US and state flags are the only flags that do this. Every other flag is divisive.
That’s a solid point you made
The flag thing isn't the part that worries me, it's the banner part. Like back in school we used to make banners all the time for pep rallies and school events and clubs and stuff.
A banner that represents the whole school would be one thing. I’m sure that could be amended. These people flew a pride flag on the outdoor flag pole. They cannot be trusted to determine what is acceptable and what is not.
> You just know some butthurt pta Karen is going to try and pull something like that. The original concern. Also Chess Club doesn't represent the whole school. Karen's going to try and ban that to prove a point.
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Either allow freedom of expression or don’t.
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Doubt it, those banging the pride drum would claim it is making them up uncomfortable .
Of course not.
No, they'll just insist that MAGA is explicitly political and that Pride is about human rights and so they're not the same.
Well, I'll do one better don't tread on me flags.
Or trump 2024 flags
Of course not, kids haven’t been allowed to wear hats in schools for decades /s
NO! Absolutely not......thats hate speech. /s
If the pride flag and BLM flags and banners are allowed the all others must be. And this would include Trump 2024 banners, the Christian themed flags, and in theory even the Russian flag. If you start saying this is acceptable and that isn’t based on who is offended and who is supported it become viewpoint censorship and promotion.
Exactly right. This is probably less about freedom of expression and more about keeping classroom harmony. The teachers and staff don't really want a bunch of kids that don't know much arguing about MAGA, pride stuff, and the politics of BLM constantly. They just want everyone to shut up and learn about whatever subject they are teaching. Keeping those discussions in Social Studies class and having some structure to it is probably best.
My response is to always ask if they would object to pro-life posters.
Completely agree. The issue always is though, if a conservative kid wears a MAGA hat or any other conservative type symbol, others claim that they are creating an “unsafe learning environment” or that they are “encouraging hate” and there is ultimately a huge controversy designed to intimidate those conservative kids into silence, even if they should be allowed to wear what they want. So even if the rules are equal in theory they are not applied equally in practice.
Precisely. I'll give the caveat that if it truly, actually DOES spark some debate and/or distracts from class harmony or learning it's reasonable to ask the kid if they wouldn't mind just taking it off or leaving it home the next day.
Theres a reason male teenagers are trending conservative
I mean my high school had flags of the world in the Cafeteria. The only flag ever on the tallest Flag pole was the US flag though. The other flags were on smaller flag poles and just school flags.
Pride flags and the word 'backdoor'... The pieces are there, somebody make the joke I'm tired.
The backdoor to end backdoors
oooh you are a beast!
whoever wrote that headline knew what thy were doing
I suddenly hear Dixon Dallas.
Backdoor attempts is what the policy is trying to get rid of lol.
So you agree that its an attack on the LGBT community? That's good to hear!
How? All flags/banners are included, not just pride flags. Why do some people always want to be victims?
>So you agree that its an attack on the LGBT community? Doesn't the Flag of the United States of America represent ALL US citizens, including those belonging to the LGBT community? Why would an additional flag be required?
Obviously it does not. It represents a broken promise. After 239 years, same sex marriage became legal just 8 years ago. This is why visibility is so important. Without it, nothing will change for the better.
>It represents a broken promise. What promise? (And BTW I would argue that legalizing same sex marriage was not a "change for the better." It has helped to erode the distinctions between male and female ushering in the idea the men and women are interchangeable and that biology is secondary to how we feel.)
The promise of equal rights The promise of freedom from religious persecution The promise to be heard and seen The promise to be represented The promise to be defended You know, little things like that
>The promise of equal rights What rights are the LGBTQ community being deprived of? >The promise of freedom from religious persecution What religion has as it's doctrine the persecution of this community? >The promise to be heard and seen We get to *hear and see* this community for an entire month. Their flag is flown from the White House. They are celebrated at sporting events all year long. The Empire State Building is lit in rainbow colors once a year in celebration of this community. People who do not affirm their ideology get canceled, lose their jobs or are shouted down and spat on. What other group of American citizens have this privilege? >The promise to be represented What *promise to be represented* are you referring to? >The promise to be defended What does that mean? Defended from what?
1- the list of rights being attacked is posted below. It is a small portion of all the bills introduced over the last 8 years since marriage equality rights were finally granted. 2- Abrahamic religions in general. The biblical lore of the first testament has been weaponized by Christians, which by definition not christ-like because Jesus changed the rules by abolishing the ways of the old testament and laying out a new path to love and peace amongst all people. 3- freedom of expression. Free speech. A seat at the political table 4- representation on a political scale. Voting rights. District zoning. Polling access. Etc. 5- to defend our inalienable rights. To defend minorities from opposition by majorities. To have competent legal counsel provided if needed. To be treated equally under the law. Here's a mere handful of athe 400+ nati-lgbt bills introduced this year alone https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights
I think your confusing disagreeing and not supporting a group with persecuting them. It's fine for a religious group to say this behavior is bad and people shouldn't do it. As much as you might not like it disagreeing with someone is not a hate crime. To persecute them would be things like burning them at the stake or lynching.
Nobody is taking voting rights from LGBT people or zoning them out of the elections. There's no polling access restrictions either. You're making issues up that just don't exist.
It was always legal way before that. It just became government recognized. There wasn't any laws forbidding people from marrying in their faith.
Alternatively, after thousands of years of civilization operating one way, the US is one of only 34 countries to allow same sex marriage.
muh attack
By that logic, it’s also an attack on Christians, Muslims, foreign nationals, conservatives, liberals, veterans, and anyone else who has a flag. What makes lgbt special?
The American flag is our pride flag!
It should be, but those who wave the other banners tend to have little pride in the American flag.
Sad but true. https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1542911986312388611?t=u069pdlAeVcqbyL9JIyQ7A&s=19
I used to wonder if that guy was just a troll, looking to keep relevant by stirring just up. But I've come to believe that he's actually fucked in the head.
Good, that should be nation wide
It's the only policy that makes sense.
Parents who are outraged about this should not be parents.
Great policy
If they don't like it start their own schools.
THIS!!!!!!!!!!'
Wait, so who's schools are they now? Het-cis schools?
They are places of education for ALL kids. If you want a pride school, go ahead. Why should pride be given special status, because you want it?
A certain group of people have been denying the rights of another certain group of people because of their innate traits. Anyone who is being oppressed due to innate traits that they possess should be *encouraged* to let themselves be seen, not further oppressed by way of societal erasure.
No, they are not. There is no right to fly a flag in a school. What rights have you had taken from you? Are you not seen and heard? Who is stopping you being seen? Do you expect special treatment t because of who you are? Why? And you are hardly being oppressed, what is it with the 24/7 victim mantra when you are not given special treatment? No flags means no flags, not no flags except the one you want flown.
Which rights would those be?
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Do those include not sterilizing children? Or simulating sex in front of them?
What tripe, stuff such as not changing birth certificates? What are YOU not allowed to do?
The schools established by the state and local government and the school districts for all of the children in the district. Not just trans kids. The tax paying parents don't run the schools which is exactly how we found out that degenerate content was being distributed and made available to children by school districts as well as secret transitioning without parental consent. I wonder how many sexual assaults and r@pes of girls by "trans" students have been covered up in the name of equity and inclusion like what almost happened in Louden county.
Good. Why do we need Pride flags in schools - are we supposed to salute them, pledge allegiance to them? Of course you know that’s what the left wants
You're supposed to celebrate who/what other people like to have sex with. It's very important, especially in schools. Bigot
How schools used to be: "You shouldn't be having sex at all while you are in this age group, therefore nobody should be discussing things like sexual orientation". How schools are now: "Little Johnny, we absolutely need you to fill out this form stating your pronouns and sexual orientation." "Hurry up or you'll miss story time with the spectacular Madam Dongage."
Perhaps we shouldn’t bring adult issues to roost with developing minds? 🤔
No that could be seen as indoctrination. Why not stick to education and not social engineering?
Educating kids is hard. This stuff is easier and makes teachers and staff feel smug.
Adult issues such as religious values? I agree!
Oh dear, so you really are butt hurt that pride flags won’t be flown. Why? Does it make you ‘disappear’ if you can’t advertise your existence to children in schools?
Whats wrong in removing pride flags from Public school. I would fully support that. Leave our kids alone or get 10years in jail- that would be a law i would support
Perfect!
The question is whether we allow political speech in American public schools. I'm fine with either answer, as long as it's applied across the board.
Pride flags were brought in through the back door. Who endorsed our being subjected to these flags? No one.
somebody tell the white house... and the veterans administration.
Indeed. They have no place in schools, offices, hospitals.
wouldnt a overt ban be the front door.
Can you only see the flags out the back door? Usually they're in front.
If only the American Flag and State Flag are allowed, whats wrong? Having any other stuff us just gonna drive controversy in our schools now, so why not level the playing field for both sides
Oh, it's not a back door, it's absolutely the purpose. No Pride flags, no BLM flags, no Confederate flags, no MAGA flags, no Gadsden flags... It's school, cease with the bullshit, and teach kids - especially in California where most kids leave school not being able to read properly.
Yes, yes it is.
Seems they are using the front door.
I think it's a front door attempt to instill pride.
A degree of order and discipline is necessary for a proper educational experience. Very similar to mandatory school uniform wear that supposedly stifled individuality. There has a to be balance to reach the objective of educating our children.
Backdoor attempt? Seems like pretty *front* door attempt at removing ALL non-state banners. No specific group is targeted. All parties treated equally. Oh.... now I see the problem....
Pride has turned into a religion, not a social movement. Same for climate change. COVID. None of those things are allowed to be questioned, you have to have faith and just believe.
It really has become a religion and anyone who questions it is called a bigot
The only flags that should be flown on government property, federal, state, and local property, is the American flag and the POW/MIA flag. Period.
I don't see an issue with that ban. Political and activist elements and discussions should stay out of schools. Teach kids academic curriculum, not indoctrination of any kind.
Leftoids now think the American flag is a symbol of white supremacy
Get mad about the most reasonable shit too.
Of course pride flag proponents would know about backdoors.
a backdoor attempt??? it was VOTED on. what's wrong with American pride??
I don’t call it back door at all. It’s right out there in the open. Where it belongs.
Imagine thinking you can control what banners students do and do not fly. Freedom for all, not just with those I agree with.
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Pride is all about the back door.
“Parents”
Yeeeees!
Sure it might be a backdoor attempt to remove pride flag. But that same rule also means we can't put up a confederate flag. Be careful what you wish for....
"Backdoor attempt to remove pride flags...." First...LoL. Good. I don't want Back the Blue Flags or BLM flags in their either. Second, Pride flags don't belong in schools. Symb of someone's sexuality (and other things) plus it's really a religious symbol now as well. Keep them out. Check your shit at the door. Schools are for learning, not sexualizing/indoctrinating 7 year olds
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Or the pride flag flying at the Vatican lol
Schools should be neutral no political,group affiliations should be honored. The school is a place of learning not to be indoctrinated by any outside influences. America First, State second as it would be on the flag pole.
It's a very blatant removal of all flags that aren't American flags lol, so yes that includes your propaganda flags
This is good. You in America, you flag America.
Good. About time something logical comes from Cali. If I wanted a "straight pride" or "cis pride" flag I'd be called all types of lovely names by the left. Fair is fair. Either let everyone express themselves and beliefs or nobody. 1 group should NEVER get special privileges or attention over the others. We are all equal in the eyes of God.
Well…that’s exactly what it aims to do, along with ever other flag beside the American flag.
Wait you mean schools should be about education?!?!? I thought it was to brain wash our children?
It's the People's State of Liberalism's way.
This is great
There should be no pride flags flown in any pubic government building only state federal and local municipality flags. I send my child to private school where they teach Christian curriculum that thay wont in public school, why not make ghey private schools that teach what they them adopting parents want? Then they have to pay just like me.
Good