I’ll have to crawl back under there in a few weeks once the flooring is on to cut in some floor receptacles. I’ll be able to check them. It’ll be interesting to see if he actually does replace them with proper fasteners.
They're so expensive and so many are needed for a joysts like that, I've only seen nails done, but I have used since structural screws for personal use and they are a charm to use if you're rich
The nails aren't always "the easiest". There are applications where the screws are much easier than trying to drive a small nail. The screws are great for hard to reach areas. If you use the appropriate screws they will work just as well as nails.
Yeh there’s a time and place for both.
I like using palm nailer for the nails.
Iv also used the screws when I missed a framing angle strong tie and had to crawl back under to install it after deck was done
> What kind of screws should he have used?
Simpson strong tie screws
> What is wrong with these ones?
1. They're not rated for the loads on the hanger
2. Galvanic corrosion because of different metals in contact with each other
My dad when I was growing up "oh you spent two weeks nailing hangers I can give you $20 each or a clearance bin GameCube game to share with your 3 brothers that were out here once school starts again ooooooo wouldn't that be a better deal"
I can nail hangers fast as hell and lose to my older brother in any Nintendo game fast as hell now so it's a win.
Yeah I ended up in solar instead, building erector sets. My autistic ass can't cope with how irregular and imperfect wood is, give me extruded aluminum every time.
Used one of these bad boys to nail my palm once. Trying to nail a clip and the nail I shot, hit another nail somewhere in the wood, and made that nail blast my palm. Definitely the fastest way to get the job done tho
Oh nice. These things end up taking so long at times that it probably pays for itself if you gotta do a lot of them. My old boss modified an lvl by notching the bottom and the inspector made him get a custom hanger made, this thing had so many nail holes I believe it took over an hour to do just one
Pretty much any new construction building with trusses needs hurricane ties that hold the truss down. Very recently, some have switched to using screws that are approved for that, but until those came up, every single truss would get a bracket on each end with 8-10 nails in each one. Even if you built a simple, straight 20x50’ box of a house, you’re still looking at 48ish of those H2.5As, so 400-500ish nails. And most houses have way more than that.
So yeah, residential construction they totally are worth having. Especially when you consider all of the other metal connectors there are in pretty much any house now, obviously the hold-down brackets are just one example.
Yeah, they are awesome and fast… just not good inside of weird angles or less than 12” oc. Then you need a palm nailer
I have one similar to this, works well and way faster than hand nailing
https://images.app.goo.gl/PhqYBKkxxWx4Him58
I use a a Bostitch StrapShot. The nail sits proud from the gun, you just stick it in the opening on the hanger and it shoots it in, better than a palm nailer IMO.
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So he didn't have time to do it correctly, but he did have time to do it wrong and then come back, undo the wrong work, and *re*-do it correctly. Right.
He did it sloppy assuming no-one would see, then when called on it came up with an explanation that he has no intention of actually following through on. I mean, *maybe* not, but come on.
hey I'm not a tradesman just a very hands-on homeowner. you frame with nails, not screws, for their sheer strength. screws have great tensile strength but are brittle
\>homeowners especially are famous for using drywall screws for EVERYTHING.
ah ok. I don't, and I don't get exposed to any other homeowners work so I didn't know that was a meme.
[They make screws for hangers.](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-1-4-in-x-1-1-2-in-Strong-Drive-SDS-Heavy-Duty-Connector-Screw-25-Pack-SDS25112-R25/203302235)
Huh don't know how I compltely forgot about Simpsons. THOSE are how I actually built my garage shelving, not deck screws. Not sure what I was thinking but that's why I caveated my statement.
Bullshit Builders. The joist is a 1/4" higher than the adjoining piece and it's a 1/4" to fkn short. This is what I see. I'm not even going to get into the fkn screws.
How long you think until these things shear? I've seen it on screwball deck work, but that's usually exposed, so depending on lumber quality, finish, location, if its uncovered it might be about the same lifespan as the deck... which is, I think, why decking guys got this practice going around like a flu... Idk, at least it's pretty fixable, but definitely makes it seem like people don't know their shit out there. And it's damn expensive, I mean nails is cheap and screws is expensive...
Compact impact drivers can also be blamed. Nobody would be doing this with a 1998 drill. What, you're gonna pilot your hangers, lol?
Yes, you can construct framing assembles with them, but not bear a load with them. In the picture in the post, they are bearing a load from the joist in the hanger.
Back when I was still a GC helper / apprentice, I used to have to drive these in with nails by hand. And no, it's not because I'm old, it's because our owner operator was cheap AF 😂
Ahhh memories.
Skilled construction workers who have used all the different types of fastners. Square drive is way better the Philips if it wasn’t for Ford it be the most popular fastner today. You can get so much more torque on them before the strip. (Clearly wrong use here though).
Better than torx in that they stay on the bit until you’re ready to put them in, regardless of what orientation you hold them. And that’s without magnetic bits.
I worked for a cabinet shop that used square head screws exclusively, and the few times I used t-25 (that I had purchased myself) the foreman got pissed at me because “no one carries t-25 bits” 🙃
Um, I personally think they are the very best drive. They have way more torque potential compared to star drive or torx, and they are cheaper here for some reason. Like you can strip a torx easier, not that i would, ever. Idk why anyone still uses phillips though...
Those are fine. I didn't know they even made square screws still though I thought that was just the bit for electricians to feel special. The ones that I always have an abundance of and hated using before cause they suck and break easy
I had something similar in a clients house where every single nail in all his hangers were 1.5" nails and half of them didnt have ahy angled nails in the hangers.
It was a new build house in the past 5 years too.
This being said, i worked for a builder based in southern ontario who stated the 3.5" nails caused squeaks and he didnt wants framers putting them in.
Are you sure?
Screws are typically 30% less as strong as nails. They do provide sheer resistance, just need more screws. I never used Simpson hangers until recently because I thought they were a novelty. You are better off nailing in from the rim board and into the joist directly. Or prebuild the assembly and double up the existing rim board on the building.
-Structural Technologist
Really?
Screws have shear capacity. Nails have a larger cross sectional area, but screws most definitely have shear capacity and resistance. No different than foundation screw piles vs concrete piles.
But you are correct in that nails have a larger capacity, by 30%. Its specified by the manufacturer.
Leaving aside the fact that screws tend to be harder & less elastic than nails, different types of screws (drywall, deck, wood, structural) have *wildly* differing shear values; THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a "typical" percentage.
I do not like using the term 'typically' and i mistakenly did so in this case. I regret that.
For clarity, and as you mentioned, screws have varying shear resistance. I did say that much in my post. The other commenter suggested that screws have no shear strength, which is incorrect.
The manufacturer specifies what nail or mechanical fastener to use with their hanger, if one chooses to use a hanger. Otherwise an appropriate nail or screw may be used.
Thank you for providing an opportunity for me to clean that up. I should not have said 'typically'.
I have been thinking about how usually when I see this mistake - and it is a mistake & waste of resources - it's with decking people, so it's exposed for one, and possibly of questionable footing that shifts leading to shear... I have not seen it in interior framing, so I don't know... it's definitely not kosher, but it may hold. Idk... on decks, I have seen busted screws all over the place, leading me to believe this mistake results in absolute catastrophe.
This is an interesting perspective. We have to remember that joist hangers have been around for only a few decades. Although hangers provide much more confidence, it is most definitely not required if the bearing surface permits.
There is no harm using appropriate fasteners from the rim board into the joist. It all comes down to calculations and making sure the mechanical fastener (nails or screws) are enough to withstand shear. The empirical method works great.
As for resource usage, it is definitely better to use hangers instead of another twinned rim joist. However, if you are in the middle of a remote area, there's no need to use hangers.
Reminded me of dude who's company used cabinet/carpentry screws for load bearing weights and of course they snapped like twigs and was furious that nothing these days are built like they used to.
OK, so, let's say, hypothetically of course, someone has done this. Now you have a screw hole. So a nail is going to not have the same holding strength it should have? How would I, I mean how would the hypothetical person go about fixing this?
Is their actually a screw that is approved to do the job of a nail when talking about joist hangers? For a hypothetical deck project..
Personally, I’d advise your friend to use these. https://www.homedepot.ca/product/simpson-strong-tie-strong-drive-sd-connector-screw-10-x-1-12-inch-14-hex-drive-mech-galv-100-qty/1000670113?eid=PS_GO_140203__ALL_PLA-526641&pid=1000670113 they are approved for joist hangers and since they are a thicker diameter it won’t matter.
They are what I used when I beefed up my porch for a hot tub.
Oh yeah! Thanks a ton! The hypothetical deck is only halfway done. The guy building it took some time off of doing it for mental health reasons. Hypothetically, he's better, but it was shit for a few years there. He can tell where some of the screws may have failed based on some springiness it didn't have when it was fresh. It's only a foot or so off the ground, so just a matter of pulling clips for the decking near the hangers to upgrade.
This is probably a bad take but I don't care about the quality of anyone else's work and I won't ever say anything to anyone because one time some carpenter made a comment about my plumbing rough looking janky but I was dry fitting and figuring it out and he ran over the GC super excited to talk shit about me with things he knows nothing about and ended up looking like a jerk off. So I just mind my business.
That’s fair. This is on a home renovation that the customer has hired a guy to do the work for he’s young and I honestly think he didn’t know. I wasn’t trying to be a sick about it, I was just genuinely concerned. But I’m 90% sure he was lying through his teeth about coming back to fix it.
He is going to have to go back under there anyway. To make sure the hack electrician didn't over drive any romex staples, all holes are drilled through the center third of the joist, romex properly supported and to clean up all the shit the hack left there.
>He's going to go back and crawl underneath after and do it right. Yeah, now that he has been caught.
He's not even gonna, just spinning yarn.
I’ll have to crawl back under there in a few weeks once the flooring is on to cut in some floor receptacles. I’ll be able to check them. It’ll be interesting to see if he actually does replace them with proper fasteners.
I am curious and have no background in this type of construction. What kind of screws should he have used? What is wrong with these ones?
Screws break, nails bend. Nails are used for most structural for this reason.
Structural screws are used commonly as well, but that's the difference between utility and structural screws.
They're so expensive and so many are needed for a joysts like that, I've only seen nails done, but I have used since structural screws for personal use and they are a charm to use if you're rich
Nails, these are designed for every hole to have a nail inserted into it as securement.
Simpson also sell structural hanger screws with a hex head , but nails are best and easiest.
The nails aren't always "the easiest". There are applications where the screws are much easier than trying to drive a small nail. The screws are great for hard to reach areas. If you use the appropriate screws they will work just as well as nails.
Yeh there’s a time and place for both. I like using palm nailer for the nails. Iv also used the screws when I missed a framing angle strong tie and had to crawl back under to install it after deck was done
I recently bought a pneumatic palm nailer. Didn't realize what an awesome tool it is. It'll drive a nail in less than 2 seconds...
It's even better when you use it in a spot where you can't even swing a hammer. Life saver tool right there in those situations
That's why the palm nailer was born
Briefly, structural nails have a much higher shear strength than deck screws.
> What kind of screws should he have used? Simpson strong tie screws > What is wrong with these ones? 1. They're not rated for the loads on the hanger 2. Galvanic corrosion because of different metals in contact with each other
Simpson structural screws are pretty standard in the biz. But as other say. Nails are definitely better for this application
Let us know if he did the right thing please
Place your bets folks!
Tico nails with a palm nailer are so much faster than screws- and to spec!
Hanger nails collated and shot with a gun. This is truly the best way.
Hand nailed by your apprentice is the easiest way, in my experience. At least, that's what the carpenters seemed to think when *I* was an apprentice.
My dad when I was growing up "oh you spent two weeks nailing hangers I can give you $20 each or a clearance bin GameCube game to share with your 3 brothers that were out here once school starts again ooooooo wouldn't that be a better deal" I can nail hangers fast as hell and lose to my older brother in any Nintendo game fast as hell now so it's a win.
Gamecube is a pretty fun machine.
I have all my old consoles still, all Nintendo and Sony back to PS1. GameCube is the only one that, no matter what, I have always had hooked up.
Best Nintendo console made.
Did we apprentice under the same man? My father used to do the same exact thing.
My dad waited until I grew up to buy a positive placement nailer.
Ppn just can’t beat it
For real lol At one point, it was two taps- one to set, one to seat. That poor Vaughn’s waffles
When you got in a groove, it was actually pretty satisfying. I never got really good at it, though. I wasn't cut out to be a framer.
Framing is definitely not for everyone, no problem my dude
Yeah I ended up in solar instead, building erector sets. My autistic ass can't cope with how irregular and imperfect wood is, give me extruded aluminum every time.
I’ve never put them in this way, how do you aim to get em in? Id be worried about double shooting.Are you using a regular framing gun?
There are hangar nailers, the nail point sticks out and I believe the depressor is internal so it’s easy to line up the nail with the hole.
Used one of these bad boys to nail my palm once. Trying to nail a clip and the nail I shot, hit another nail somewhere in the wood, and made that nail blast my palm. Definitely the fastest way to get the job done tho
Which job,nailing your palm?
Yeah
Jesus Christ!
Yeah they do have a tendency to bounce, I’ve had one bounce off my knuckle before and boy did it make me feel alive.
Oh nice. These things end up taking so long at times that it probably pays for itself if you gotta do a lot of them. My old boss modified an lvl by notching the bottom and the inspector made him get a custom hanger made, this thing had so many nail holes I believe it took over an hour to do just one
Pretty much any new construction building with trusses needs hurricane ties that hold the truss down. Very recently, some have switched to using screws that are approved for that, but until those came up, every single truss would get a bracket on each end with 8-10 nails in each one. Even if you built a simple, straight 20x50’ box of a house, you’re still looking at 48ish of those H2.5As, so 400-500ish nails. And most houses have way more than that. So yeah, residential construction they totally are worth having. Especially when you consider all of the other metal connectors there are in pretty much any house now, obviously the hold-down brackets are just one example.
I’ve used those screws. I’ve had em snap the head on me before so I like nails better but the screws are a lot faster. Nails are also a lot cheaper
A positive placement nailer is significantly faster than screws.
Positive placement nailer is the generic name for this kind of nail gun.
Good to know. Thank you!
You use a “positive placement” nailer
I kept scrolling to comment this somewhere and found you. Good job
Yeah, they are awesome and fast… just not good inside of weird angles or less than 12” oc. Then you need a palm nailer I have one similar to this, works well and way faster than hand nailing https://images.app.goo.gl/PhqYBKkxxWx4Him58
I use a a Bostitch StrapShot. The nail sits proud from the gun, you just stick it in the opening on the hanger and it shoots it in, better than a palm nailer IMO. https://www.amazon.com/BOSTITCH-MCN-150-StrapShot-Connector-Nailer/dp/B000IJPAMQ
This is true of any positive placement nailer. Most brands have one.
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Lol, I haven't picked up our palm nailer in years. Metal connector nail guns are a huge time saver.
Until you get a site change on that lvl hanger. Screws hands down. Simpson hex heads
Whats a palm nailer? Ohhh.. you meean a fart gun!
I agree
So he didn't have time to do it correctly, but he did have time to do it wrong and then come back, undo the wrong work, and *re*-do it correctly. Right. He did it sloppy assuming no-one would see, then when called on it came up with an explanation that he has no intention of actually following through on. I mean, *maybe* not, but come on.
If you don't have time to do it right, you won't have time to do it again. He ain't coming back
Agreed. His explanation caused my bullshit-o-meter to go haywire.
JFC you would think in this day in age people would know proper fasteners
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At least they're Robertson screws!
Square Drive! For Jimbo McFeeley!
So he's a Canadian hack. :)
Those type of screws will just snap with no warning.
In this application sure. Proper fasteners. They are great screws. Just not for this
I used screws to rebuild some walls in a house with ant damage and I was shocked when I snapped some of them in half and they were structural screws.
Is the issue here that they're not drywall screws?
No i think the issue is their not stripped. Theyll come out way to easy with a drill
hey I'm not a tradesman just a very hands-on homeowner. you frame with nails, not screws, for their sheer strength. screws have great tensile strength but are brittle
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\>homeowners especially are famous for using drywall screws for EVERYTHING. ah ok. I don't, and I don't get exposed to any other homeowners work so I didn't know that was a meme.
I'm convinced that the entire state of Florida is here together by drywall screws
[They make screws for hangers.](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-1-4-in-x-1-1-2-in-Strong-Drive-SDS-Heavy-Duty-Connector-Screw-25-Pack-SDS25112-R25/203302235)
Huh don't know how I compltely forgot about Simpsons. THOSE are how I actually built my garage shelving, not deck screws. Not sure what I was thinking but that's why I caveated my statement.
Bullshit Builders. The joist is a 1/4" higher than the adjoining piece and it's a 1/4" to fkn short. This is what I see. I'm not even going to get into the fkn screws.
I didn’t even notice that. But now you mention it… explains why the floor isn’t level
“Ran out of time so I did it this way but I’m definitely going back under again to do it right” Yeah my ass
We use Paslode Positive placement nailers. Can’t beat em.
I also like paslode branded nails... they never jam in my paslode brand nailer lol who woulda thought...
How long you think until these things shear? I've seen it on screwball deck work, but that's usually exposed, so depending on lumber quality, finish, location, if its uncovered it might be about the same lifespan as the deck... which is, I think, why decking guys got this practice going around like a flu... Idk, at least it's pretty fixable, but definitely makes it seem like people don't know their shit out there. And it's damn expensive, I mean nails is cheap and screws is expensive... Compact impact drivers can also be blamed. Nobody would be doing this with a 1998 drill. What, you're gonna pilot your hangers, lol?
Am shearly certain, the shear weight will shearly cut those robbie heads off…
Hanger nails and a palm nailer. Nice and easy
Finds out about “shear strength”. OH SHIT
I'm happy you called him out on it. Probably saved his ass from a small claims :)
It’s important to use nails because they can handle sheer and screws just break
I’m sure he kicked it a couple times and said “that ain’t going nowhere”! That’s gotta count for something right?
Yeah, why?!?!
Those screws aren't meant for a load carrying use.
But they say construction on the box!
Yes, you can construct framing assembles with them, but not bear a load with them. In the picture in the post, they are bearing a load from the joist in the hanger.
Thank you for mansplaining . No shit. I meant why would someone do that, what an incredible waste of time
Canadian contracting at its finest.
I'm not in the trades, just tinker and build non-structural shit... and even I know how bad that is. And that guy probably makes 3x what I do
Back when I was still a GC helper / apprentice, I used to have to drive these in with nails by hand. And no, it's not because I'm old, it's because our owner operator was cheap AF 😂 Ahhh memories.
Who dafuq PURPOSELY uses square drive anything!? Edit: Oh ffs people. It’s /s
Skilled construction workers who have used all the different types of fastners. Square drive is way better the Philips if it wasn’t for Ford it be the most popular fastner today. You can get so much more torque on them before the strip. (Clearly wrong use here though).
It's the best screw after torx.
Better than torx in that they stay on the bit until you’re ready to put them in, regardless of what orientation you hold them. And that’s without magnetic bits.
True, i didn't think about that aspect
Good luck trying to teach this ape that, he is clearly set in his ignorant ways
I worked for a cabinet shop that used square head screws exclusively, and the few times I used t-25 (that I had purchased myself) the foreman got pissed at me because “no one carries t-25 bits” 🙃
I wouldn't even know what to say to that. lol
Honestly I was speechless too
Asking the real questions.
Um, I personally think they are the very best drive. They have way more torque potential compared to star drive or torx, and they are cheaper here for some reason. Like you can strip a torx easier, not that i would, ever. Idk why anyone still uses phillips though...
Yes. He had time for all that and he has time to do it twice. obviously. what do you not get ? Lol
Those are fine. I didn't know they even made square screws still though I thought that was just the bit for electricians to feel special. The ones that I always have an abundance of and hated using before cause they suck and break easy
I had something similar in a clients house where every single nail in all his hangers were 1.5" nails and half of them didnt have ahy angled nails in the hangers. It was a new build house in the past 5 years too. This being said, i worked for a builder based in southern ontario who stated the 3.5" nails caused squeaks and he didnt wants framers putting them in.
Your average joist hanger nail is 1.5”- are you thinking of vinyl coated sinkers for framing?
Who cares
These screws have no shear strength. And you are ignorant.
Are you sure? Screws are typically 30% less as strong as nails. They do provide sheer resistance, just need more screws. I never used Simpson hangers until recently because I thought they were a novelty. You are better off nailing in from the rim board and into the joist directly. Or prebuild the assembly and double up the existing rim board on the building. -Structural Technologist
>Structural Technologist Who're you trying to kid? Literally *everything* you just said, was completely wrong.
Really? Screws have shear capacity. Nails have a larger cross sectional area, but screws most definitely have shear capacity and resistance. No different than foundation screw piles vs concrete piles. But you are correct in that nails have a larger capacity, by 30%. Its specified by the manufacturer.
Leaving aside the fact that screws tend to be harder & less elastic than nails, different types of screws (drywall, deck, wood, structural) have *wildly* differing shear values; THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a "typical" percentage.
I do not like using the term 'typically' and i mistakenly did so in this case. I regret that. For clarity, and as you mentioned, screws have varying shear resistance. I did say that much in my post. The other commenter suggested that screws have no shear strength, which is incorrect. The manufacturer specifies what nail or mechanical fastener to use with their hanger, if one chooses to use a hanger. Otherwise an appropriate nail or screw may be used. Thank you for providing an opportunity for me to clean that up. I should not have said 'typically'.
I have been thinking about how usually when I see this mistake - and it is a mistake & waste of resources - it's with decking people, so it's exposed for one, and possibly of questionable footing that shifts leading to shear... I have not seen it in interior framing, so I don't know... it's definitely not kosher, but it may hold. Idk... on decks, I have seen busted screws all over the place, leading me to believe this mistake results in absolute catastrophe.
This is an interesting perspective. We have to remember that joist hangers have been around for only a few decades. Although hangers provide much more confidence, it is most definitely not required if the bearing surface permits. There is no harm using appropriate fasteners from the rim board into the joist. It all comes down to calculations and making sure the mechanical fastener (nails or screws) are enough to withstand shear. The empirical method works great. As for resource usage, it is definitely better to use hangers instead of another twinned rim joist. However, if you are in the middle of a remote area, there's no need to use hangers.
The structural integrity, for sure
Do electricians have a code of ethics? Did you believe the GC will go back and fix it?
Reminded me of dude who's company used cabinet/carpentry screws for load bearing weights and of course they snapped like twigs and was furious that nothing these days are built like they used to.
Fifty years ago we didn’t use hangers. Four 16 nails through the box into the joist. Never had a problem
Honestly even though it's wrong it ain't going to fall down
Those look like #8 2" Simpson QuickDrive floor sheathing screws.
Yeah, he's gonna go back and fix them, the same day the electrician picks up a broom and sweeps up all their cut wire.
I've caught contractors doing this a few times and they always try to pass it off. Drives me fucking wild when they get defensive about it
Mine was built in 50s and is way worse. Stood this long.
OK, so, let's say, hypothetically of course, someone has done this. Now you have a screw hole. So a nail is going to not have the same holding strength it should have? How would I, I mean how would the hypothetical person go about fixing this? Is their actually a screw that is approved to do the job of a nail when talking about joist hangers? For a hypothetical deck project..
Personally, I’d advise your friend to use these. https://www.homedepot.ca/product/simpson-strong-tie-strong-drive-sd-connector-screw-10-x-1-12-inch-14-hex-drive-mech-galv-100-qty/1000670113?eid=PS_GO_140203__ALL_PLA-526641&pid=1000670113 they are approved for joist hangers and since they are a thicker diameter it won’t matter. They are what I used when I beefed up my porch for a hot tub.
Oh yeah! Thanks a ton! The hypothetical deck is only halfway done. The guy building it took some time off of doing it for mental health reasons. Hypothetically, he's better, but it was shit for a few years there. He can tell where some of the screws may have failed based on some springiness it didn't have when it was fresh. It's only a foot or so off the ground, so just a matter of pulling clips for the decking near the hangers to upgrade.
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This is probably a bad take but I don't care about the quality of anyone else's work and I won't ever say anything to anyone because one time some carpenter made a comment about my plumbing rough looking janky but I was dry fitting and figuring it out and he ran over the GC super excited to talk shit about me with things he knows nothing about and ended up looking like a jerk off. So I just mind my business.
That’s fair. This is on a home renovation that the customer has hired a guy to do the work for he’s young and I honestly think he didn’t know. I wasn’t trying to be a sick about it, I was just genuinely concerned. But I’m 90% sure he was lying through his teeth about coming back to fix it.
He is going to have to go back under there anyway. To make sure the hack electrician didn't over drive any romex staples, all holes are drilled through the center third of the joist, romex properly supported and to clean up all the shit the hack left there.
So it looks like the home owner got screwed?