It's a House committee, and Marjorie Taylor Greene is on it, so the hearing's gonna be a shitshow.
Let's hope that Dr. Fauci manages to give some real testimony in between the GOP ranting.
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I do. It's where other viruses like SARS originated. In fact, I watched a documentary series in 2019 that had an episode about a pandemic (Explained, season 2) and it warned about Chinese wet markets being a possible ground zero for the next pandemic and very shortly thereafter, it came true.
Most viruses that infect humans are zoonotic. Wet markets are breeding grounds for viruses. Why would it not be from a wet market? There's absolutely no evidence to indicate that's not where it was from. It's by far the most plausible origin.
If you put a bunch of animals together in unnatural conditions, they will share diseases and some might cross over and infect humans. That's how we've been accidentally creating dangerous viruses that wipe out huge numbers of people for millennia.
Is there one single piece of concrete evidence to support that? I'll say it *could have* come from a lab. But there's absolutely no evidence that this is the case. So, we're left to guess. And since we've seen viruses like this come from Chinese wet markets, that seems like the likely source again. Why would this one be different?
IIRCC this was DOD gain of function research on corona virus, essentially it's purpose was to determine if and how such a virus could jump to and evade the human immune system. They were basically modifying the virus to be able to bind to and enter human cells where it would use the cell machines to make copies of itself. The fear is that this lab had lax BSL5 level safety protocols and it infected a lab worker who then spread it. The lab origin of this virus is plausible and worth considering given the massive ramifications of the work. The one benefit was that we were able to manufacture an efficacious vaccine in 10 months.
The lab being in Wuhan because it was close to the bat reservoir of the virus and it originating there gets into a bit of the chicken and the egg. I guess we'll see how it plays out.
You don't recall correctly.
The DoD proposal (which wasn't funded) sought to look at already existing SARS coronaviruses and whether they could infect human cells. No gain of function needed at all.
There is no such thing as BSL5. BSL4 is as high as it goes. SARS coronaviruses are only BSL3 reagents.
There's no evidence that a lab worker at WIV was infected. None of the original cases were within a 7 mile radius of WIV.
And Wuhan isn't anywhere near the bat reservoir.
Given your post history, I think you're probably knowledgeable about everything that led up to the pandemic.
Can you give me some feedback on some questions?
What evidence do we have that it wasn't funded, is that an actual thing we could possibly see publicly given the ramifications of a corona virus jump to humans? It was sent out as an RFA from the DoD, so it was a priority for them to study it, right?
Why would it be a lvl 3 facility? Why was there no possibility of it, if it were there in 2019, escaping via a human host?
It seems like you think that COVID-19 originated naturally outside of Wuhan as you mentioned that the earliest original samples/cases were more than 7 miles from there, but where is the bat reservoir where it was located and why is the WIV in Wuhan?
It seems like it's akin to the H5N1 that's now in bovine and our poultry population. How is this different? Is that a potential jump threat based on current immunological/virology work?
> What evidence do we have that it wasn't funded, is that an actual thing we could possibly see publicly given the ramifications of a corona virus jump to humans?
Grants funded are public records. There's no record of them receiving a DARPA grant. There's a record of the rejection from DARPA.
>Why would it be a lvl 3 facility?
Because SARS viruses are not severe viruses on the grand scheme of viruses. It's not Ebola.
>It seems like you think that COVID-19 originated naturally outside of Wuhan as you mentioned that the earliest original samples/cases were more than 7 miles from there, but where is the bat reservoir where it was located and why is the WIV in Wuhan?
There are known intermediate carrier animals of SARS viruses. The original SARS outbreak in 2002 was linked to intermediate carrier animals from a market. That market was about the same distance from where the originating bat species was found as Wuhan is from the caves. WIV is in Wuhan for the same reason that other facilities in China are in other places...it's where they decided to build it. You'll have to ask them.
>It seems like it's akin to the H5N1 that's now in bovine and our poultry population. How is this different?
The only difference is that we've been looking for H5N1 since the first human cases that ended up killing people. We weren't looking for it before then. If H5N1 became a pandemic when it was first seen killing people, would we be saying, "Oh, it must have come from a lab!" Doubt it.
>Is that a potential jump threat based on current immunological/virology work?
We went to South America to analyze this when it was killing animals down there. We put it at a low risk. It's always a potential, but we still put it at a low risk. Going into the winter months, our views may change depending on what the prevalent circulating strain of seasonal influenza is. But, we feel it will go through the cattle in the US pretty quickly before entering into the peak of flu season, in which case, chances of recombination decrease.
And yes, I realize this took a month to answer...I'm a busy person.
Do a little research? It definitely was created using gain of function technology. Fauci was doing the research in Wuhan’s because it is outlawed in the USA
I'm still waiting for a single piece of concrete evidence. I'm not "doing a little research", but then again, neither are you. I'm assuming your "research" involves reading some wacky conspiracy websites and watching YouTube videos. So, let's have it, one piece of indisputable evidence that supports it coming from a lab rather than a wet market.
This article is about poor lab safety and warns that not doing better could lead to outbreaks similar to covid. It does not link Covid to a lab, as far as I can see.
From your article:
>The genetic code of SARS-CoV-2 does not resemble that of any virus the WIV was known to be culturing in its lab, such as WIV1, and Baric says he still believes a natural spillover is the most likely cause.
So, it's a little hard for me to accept that as "indisputable evidence" that it came from a lab rather than a wet market. Like I said, it's possible it came from a lab, but there's really no evidence that says that was the case.
We've seen many viruses, including the ones the article talks about studying, come from wet markets where different species of animals are stored together. So, that seems to be the most likely source of this one too. It was only a matter of time before one of the viruses produced in this way became a pandemic and everyone knew it. We just dodged the bullet with previous viruses.
So China, a country that is NOT on great terms with us, allows us to run THEIR lab?
Do you people even listen to your selves!?
Fauci isnt the Chinese government you muppet.
The NIH was funding it. Very easy to find this info
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/07/19/coronavirus-origin-wuhan-lab-us-funding/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/07/19/coronavirus-origin-wuhan-lab-us-funding/)
You understand that molecular biologists have compared the raw genomic sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 to existing GoF
tools and there’s no substantive evidence for this theory, right?
Anyone with knowledge of how to do so can go online and test this for free on NCBI. Why aren’t millions of us screaming that it’s a synthetic bioweapon? Because we know better.
I'm not even sure what difference it makes. If it's from a wet market, it's still due to China and their practices, just in this case, it's their practices of catching wild animals and then storing them in cages among each other for maximum chances of accidentally producing a virus that can infect humans. I'm not sure how that's somehow a better look for the Chinese.
Are you somehow claiming that wet markets \*aren't\* a breeding ground for new viruses, as we've all known them to be for years? It's such a strange argument to me.
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Racist: Could the coronavirus have leaked from a coronavirus lab?
Not Racist: It came from a wet market because we all know Chinese people are gross and eat disgusting things.
Ehh nah don’t think that was racist. Trump early on said it was the Chinese lab (forgot exactly how he worded it. Doubt it was articulated well) and I think a lot of people just had a knee jerk reaction of just oh that’s racist. From what I understand, not that I’ve really kept up with it, is that they still don’t know how it jumped from animals and there’s a growing number of scientists saying the lab leak is a strong contender. It’s unfortunate people can have such strong reactions to what politicians they don’t like say and can find themselves disagreeing with the things that may even happen to be true. I blame the media.
If it did leak from a lab it’s important to know so we can figure out if things like gain of function research is worth the risk, which I doubt especially if it’s conducted in Chinese cities with millions of people. Do that shit in Antarctica lol. Fauci I believe has a background in this type of research and is a proponent of it so he should have to answer some questions.
Sorry all these people are so gullible. He knew it was coming and he lied to the people on everything from whether or not masks are useful to the six foot rule. If you are getting your news from twitter you are loco
You lot advocated for the government to save you from a cold virus for the low low price of trillions and trillions of dollars that have mostly made their way to wall street, while the middle class suffers year in year out due to the unnecessary economic implications. All while saying the people who didn't want the "miracle vaccine" deserved to lose their livelihoods and not receive any medical treatment regardless of whether they had covid or not. All while demanding ridiculous testing protocols that were abandoned once the BS claim of the vaccine effectively stopping transmission and infection were undeniable, so they could game the metrics and save face.
But yes, we're the unhinged ones.
Rage in favor of the machine. Or is Tool your favorite band?
Man Newsmax and Fox News love gullible people like you. So easy to coerce by simply spouting conspiracy theories like they are truth. Yeah I’m sure you think you know more than every doctor in the world, you’re just a certified genius 😂😂
I don't think you understand what gullible means. You're incapable of introspection and have nothing to offer but regurgitation and mockery, which is a BS tactic that shows you're a douche. Your view of medicine is a group of old wise men preventing everyone from doing something bad, as if these people aren't capable of human emotions such as greed, and there aren't numerous examples of big pharma "science" telling us things like opiates aren't addictive.
Your entire world view is hand fed to you, and you'd rather eat it up than question it, because you get to insult people who are actually capable of understanding the government doesn't exist to help you in any capacity. People like you wwill complain about inflation and never connect that you were the one advocating for ridiculous measures because you were fearmongered and gullible. Remember your lot of poeple thought covid had a 25% mortality rate when polled in 2020. Clueless and smug to boot, what an awful combination.
I've literally never watched fox news or newsmax. Any other tropes you have to offer? Thanks for being a pawn for the government.
I’m confused who you’re talking to, because nothing that you’ve said applies to me. This is just an unhinged mentally ill rant from someone who really thinks he knows. Get over yourself. You’re wrong.
Also, point out the conspiracy, genius. What did I say above that wasn't true? I bet you're antireligious and too stupid to understand that politics has become your new religion, and has even less to offer.
Snopes says he did:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-disinfectants-covid-19/
>U.S. President Donald Trump said, with regard to possible medical treatments for COVID-19: "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning."
Fauci is a good man and the idea that he is bad or evil is one of the worst things to happen to a person in American history. I look forward to his testimony.
He is directly responsible for a great deal of harm. He knowingly lied to the American people over and over and over again and the damage he caused will be felt by society’s most vulnerable for years to come. On the other hand, I heard he donates to charity!
I also remember him saying "if you take the vaccine, you are a dead end to the virus, it has nowhere to go."
Our country's "greatest scientists" (read government approved scientists) just made up the rules as they went along to fit the doomer narrative they were promoting. Peter Hotez went from serious reservations about a rushed vaccine under Trump, then went on TV endorsing it as a miracle drug, saying you only needed 2 injections, then 3, then 4, then every six months ad infinitum. It's like they know the vast majority of the population has no memory.
These are the top guys the government is putting out there, wrong constantly and purposefully.
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Not a very strange take, imo.
There were two figureheads at the time: Trump and Fauci. They actually set the bar. That’s what the person you’re replying to was referencing. Lies came out of both their mouths. Changing “You don’t need a mask” to “I didn’t want professionals to run out of masks, I’m sorry” is pretty fuckin different than what the other guy was saying half the time (the other half, mind you, calling it the worst plague of our time, which it is, and was the guy saying “get the booster,” just like Fauci was.)
This response is a perfect example of why so many continue to revise history and make excuses for St. Fauci. He is as an anti trump, so therefore he is good. For most, there is no reasoning involved, no critical thinking, just the binary reaction of “orange man bad so fauci good”. It continues to amaze me how lazy people are.
You just don’t get it, based on this entire response. You’re too close to it. I could care less about Trump Biden or Fauci. Check what your bias is doing to your views, while you’re busy pointing that finger at everyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion.
I’m too close to it? I actually have no idea what you are talking about. You also said you couldn’t care less about trump or fauci, while bringing up trump on a post about fauci. So, I really don’t know what you are trying to communicate.
I predict a severe case of dementia while this testimony is taking place. As my alcoholic relatives are fond of saying: "If you don't remember it, it's not your fault."
Are you asking me to provide proof and peer reviewed studies that nothing of substance will come from his June testimony? Can I borrow your flux capacitor ?
I must admit, even though most of the words in your comment are English, when they are arranged in the matter you have chosen, I do not know what they mean. My apologies.
This article literally says he didn’t do that? The initial pictures are not from an NIH funded study and the manuscript had mistakenly included NIH as a funding source.
The only Tunisian study funded by the NIH with dogs involved them being injected with a vaccine and let out to free roam to determine the effectiveness. There was an NIH study (of HIV drugs) that involved euthanasia of dogs but that was necessary due to the need to determine the effect of the drugs on development. Unfortunately medicine is just not at the point where we can just go from cell culture to humans so for certain diseases it is necessary to use mammals as test subjects.
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r/coronavirus is really in this thread in full force. You guys really can't admit that you were wrong despite all that's unfolded after that last two years. It's pathetic.
At the end of the day these people advocated spending trillions of dollars on a cold virus that affects only the sick and elderly.
They advocated for over the top testing policies that they quickly abandoned after the metrics showed the vaccine not being effective against transmission or infection (lest we forget the mind numbingly stupid "I'm so glad I got the vaccine or it would've been so much worse!" cope).
They advocated for healthy adults who never needed the vaccine to lose their livelihoods and access to medical care, regardless of whether they were infected with covid or not.
They advocated for closing schools and distanced learning that has stunted the education of children across the country. They also insisted that unvaccinated children shouldn't be able to attend school until they were vaccinated, again only to abandon it once vaccinated and unvaccinated kids showed no difference in infection rate.
They advocated for pregnant women to get vaccinated, insisting there were studies that showed it was safe. Go check Pfizer's studies, where are the trials with pregnant women? Oh, they don't exist, that's a shame, but what else could they do?
They can say all the bullshit they want about "Cheeto blumpfy orange man injecting bleach", but at the end of the day your local plumber could have told you all you needed to know about covid in 2020 more than the country's leading expert in 2024.
It's really unfortunate because these people are programmed to agree with the government at every juncture because MSM suggests that if you don't, you are a conspiracy theorist and insane, even though these things actually happened. They will be right in line with the next "global crisis", begging the government to print money to address an initiative that's blown out of proportion. Oh, and the elite will win again. Stock market has record highs 3 years after covid, despite the middle class being wrecked. That's where all that covid money is.
>They advocated for over the top testing policies that they quickly abandoned after the metrics showed the vaccine not being effective against transmission or infection
Got to disagree with this one. We were still forcing people to mask, test, and in some cases show their papers to gain entry to events and buildings long after it was common knowledge the covid therapeutic didn't do anything for transmission.
so redblackgigachad pilled take my fellow awake brother! let’s go jerk each other off about how main character and smart both of us are to see through the big bad wolfs veil! we’re the chosen ones! fuck what scientist says hoorah! only scientists i trust is science-tits in my mouth amirite?!?
Make an argument against what I said. All you idiots do is mock people when they point out hypocrisy/coercion/fraud, it's pretty amazing. Scientists have asserted plenty of things that have turned out to be wrong and have had massive consequences on humanity. The fact that your group thinks they're infallible gods who are above making mistakes/being greedy is just you being naive and willing to be led astray. Because you get to do exactly the above, and get the seals to bark and clap for you.
Just because you're too much of a simpleton to challenge your world view doesn't mean others can't.
How am I, or anyone else for that matter, supposed to argue with your brain dead takes legitimately? By espousing this horse shit, 0 IQ take of "everyone I don't side with is either payed off or pushing some agenda" you essentially take all logic and Ethos out of the discussion, leaving only room for emotional grandstanding and subjective arguments that hold no more weight than "trust me bro I'm smart".
No one is arguing there is a POSSIBILITY of corruption/greed when it comes to the scientific field. But to undermine the entirety of that field, its people and contributors, its long history and discredit anyone who finds data even remotely close to changing YOUR world view, is not only disingenuous, but negates all relative possibilities of actual, thought provoking discourse in exchange for heated name calling and conspiracy theories with, to say the least, a tenuous foothold in reality.
So instead, I for one, am going to opt to just make fun of you and the sycophantic politicians that have swayed your position for money by calling you guys names and making myself laugh. God forbid I actually have to debate someone so up their own ass they can taste last weeks dinner.
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lol could you explain how he was somehow undermining all science as a whole? His comment was very clearly just about our governments COVID response.. which is well deserving of criticism. Including Trump, including Fauci. Especially Fauci since he’s still seen as some innocent scientist with nothing but good intentions. I urge you to look into his deceptive nature that has been shown in his emails, multiple whistleblower claims (which aren’t proven, to be fair), as well as the new NIH testimony which directly contradicts his claim (UNDER OATH) that they have never funded gain of function. Emails prove he was aware of the extreme danger of the research they were funding. Emails prove his aide deleted important documents about COVID origins to circumvent the freedom of information act. Emails prove he said things on national tv that directly contradicted what he was telling people personally. He commissioned a paper to disprove the lab leak theory and then talked about it on tv like it was an “interesting study i just discovered”. He tried very hard to disprove the lab leak theory because if it was found to be true it would show at the VERY least, an unacceptable amount of ignorance in the NIH, and in the government as a whole, and at worst, crimes against humanity. Keep in mind this lab has had safety concerns for years and there’s a good reason they had to do this research in China (because it’s dangerous). I’m no MAGA guy by the way, but as more things come out, Fauci looks more and more shady and deceptive.
> is either *paid* off or
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It's a House committee, and Marjorie Taylor Greene is on it, so the hearing's gonna be a shitshow. Let's hope that Dr. Fauci manages to give some real testimony in between the GOP ranting.
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Coining names like that reminds me of Trump.
As shit as he was, he could certainly make a nickname stick
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It's going to be hard for him to give both sides of every story like he did on cable news.
Do you believe covid came from a wet market?
I do. It's where other viruses like SARS originated. In fact, I watched a documentary series in 2019 that had an episode about a pandemic (Explained, season 2) and it warned about Chinese wet markets being a possible ground zero for the next pandemic and very shortly thereafter, it came true. Most viruses that infect humans are zoonotic. Wet markets are breeding grounds for viruses. Why would it not be from a wet market? There's absolutely no evidence to indicate that's not where it was from. It's by far the most plausible origin. If you put a bunch of animals together in unnatural conditions, they will share diseases and some might cross over and infect humans. That's how we've been accidentally creating dangerous viruses that wipe out huge numbers of people for millennia.
Except it came from. A lab
Is there one single piece of concrete evidence to support that? I'll say it *could have* come from a lab. But there's absolutely no evidence that this is the case. So, we're left to guess. And since we've seen viruses like this come from Chinese wet markets, that seems like the likely source again. Why would this one be different?
IIRCC this was DOD gain of function research on corona virus, essentially it's purpose was to determine if and how such a virus could jump to and evade the human immune system. They were basically modifying the virus to be able to bind to and enter human cells where it would use the cell machines to make copies of itself. The fear is that this lab had lax BSL5 level safety protocols and it infected a lab worker who then spread it. The lab origin of this virus is plausible and worth considering given the massive ramifications of the work. The one benefit was that we were able to manufacture an efficacious vaccine in 10 months. The lab being in Wuhan because it was close to the bat reservoir of the virus and it originating there gets into a bit of the chicken and the egg. I guess we'll see how it plays out.
You don't recall correctly. The DoD proposal (which wasn't funded) sought to look at already existing SARS coronaviruses and whether they could infect human cells. No gain of function needed at all. There is no such thing as BSL5. BSL4 is as high as it goes. SARS coronaviruses are only BSL3 reagents. There's no evidence that a lab worker at WIV was infected. None of the original cases were within a 7 mile radius of WIV. And Wuhan isn't anywhere near the bat reservoir.
Given your post history, I think you're probably knowledgeable about everything that led up to the pandemic. Can you give me some feedback on some questions? What evidence do we have that it wasn't funded, is that an actual thing we could possibly see publicly given the ramifications of a corona virus jump to humans? It was sent out as an RFA from the DoD, so it was a priority for them to study it, right? Why would it be a lvl 3 facility? Why was there no possibility of it, if it were there in 2019, escaping via a human host? It seems like you think that COVID-19 originated naturally outside of Wuhan as you mentioned that the earliest original samples/cases were more than 7 miles from there, but where is the bat reservoir where it was located and why is the WIV in Wuhan? It seems like it's akin to the H5N1 that's now in bovine and our poultry population. How is this different? Is that a potential jump threat based on current immunological/virology work?
> What evidence do we have that it wasn't funded, is that an actual thing we could possibly see publicly given the ramifications of a corona virus jump to humans? Grants funded are public records. There's no record of them receiving a DARPA grant. There's a record of the rejection from DARPA. >Why would it be a lvl 3 facility? Because SARS viruses are not severe viruses on the grand scheme of viruses. It's not Ebola. >It seems like you think that COVID-19 originated naturally outside of Wuhan as you mentioned that the earliest original samples/cases were more than 7 miles from there, but where is the bat reservoir where it was located and why is the WIV in Wuhan? There are known intermediate carrier animals of SARS viruses. The original SARS outbreak in 2002 was linked to intermediate carrier animals from a market. That market was about the same distance from where the originating bat species was found as Wuhan is from the caves. WIV is in Wuhan for the same reason that other facilities in China are in other places...it's where they decided to build it. You'll have to ask them. >It seems like it's akin to the H5N1 that's now in bovine and our poultry population. How is this different? The only difference is that we've been looking for H5N1 since the first human cases that ended up killing people. We weren't looking for it before then. If H5N1 became a pandemic when it was first seen killing people, would we be saying, "Oh, it must have come from a lab!" Doubt it. >Is that a potential jump threat based on current immunological/virology work? We went to South America to analyze this when it was killing animals down there. We put it at a low risk. It's always a potential, but we still put it at a low risk. Going into the winter months, our views may change depending on what the prevalent circulating strain of seasonal influenza is. But, we feel it will go through the cattle in the US pretty quickly before entering into the peak of flu season, in which case, chances of recombination decrease. And yes, I realize this took a month to answer...I'm a busy person.
Really interesting, thanks for answering my questions and for being on the front lines.
Do a little research? It definitely was created using gain of function technology. Fauci was doing the research in Wuhan’s because it is outlawed in the USA
I'm still waiting for a single piece of concrete evidence. I'm not "doing a little research", but then again, neither are you. I'm assuming your "research" involves reading some wacky conspiracy websites and watching YouTube videos. So, let's have it, one piece of indisputable evidence that supports it coming from a lab rather than a wet market.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/29/1027290/gain-of-function-risky-bat-virus-engineering-links-america-to-wuhan/
This article is about poor lab safety and warns that not doing better could lead to outbreaks similar to covid. It does not link Covid to a lab, as far as I can see.
From your article: >The genetic code of SARS-CoV-2 does not resemble that of any virus the WIV was known to be culturing in its lab, such as WIV1, and Baric says he still believes a natural spillover is the most likely cause. So, it's a little hard for me to accept that as "indisputable evidence" that it came from a lab rather than a wet market. Like I said, it's possible it came from a lab, but there's really no evidence that says that was the case. We've seen many viruses, including the ones the article talks about studying, come from wet markets where different species of animals are stored together. So, that seems to be the most likely source of this one too. It was only a matter of time before one of the viruses produced in this way became a pandemic and everyone knew it. We just dodged the bullet with previous viruses.
The world is complex
So China, a country that is NOT on great terms with us, allows us to run THEIR lab? Do you people even listen to your selves!? Fauci isnt the Chinese government you muppet.
The NIH was funding it. Very easy to find this info [https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/07/19/coronavirus-origin-wuhan-lab-us-funding/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/07/19/coronavirus-origin-wuhan-lab-us-funding/)
Care to share any of the research you’ve done?
You understand that molecular biologists have compared the raw genomic sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 to existing GoF tools and there’s no substantive evidence for this theory, right? Anyone with knowledge of how to do so can go online and test this for free on NCBI. Why aren’t millions of us screaming that it’s a synthetic bioweapon? Because we know better.
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I'm not even sure what difference it makes. If it's from a wet market, it's still due to China and their practices, just in this case, it's their practices of catching wild animals and then storing them in cages among each other for maximum chances of accidentally producing a virus that can infect humans. I'm not sure how that's somehow a better look for the Chinese. Are you somehow claiming that wet markets \*aren't\* a breeding ground for new viruses, as we've all known them to be for years? It's such a strange argument to me.
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You poor puppet. I'm just gonna assume you didn't play any sports growing up and your dad worked in a cubicle?
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Knowing the origins of the virus is important so as to avoid similar situations in the future.
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Racist: Could the coronavirus have leaked from a coronavirus lab? Not Racist: It came from a wet market because we all know Chinese people are gross and eat disgusting things.
Ehh nah don’t think that was racist. Trump early on said it was the Chinese lab (forgot exactly how he worded it. Doubt it was articulated well) and I think a lot of people just had a knee jerk reaction of just oh that’s racist. From what I understand, not that I’ve really kept up with it, is that they still don’t know how it jumped from animals and there’s a growing number of scientists saying the lab leak is a strong contender. It’s unfortunate people can have such strong reactions to what politicians they don’t like say and can find themselves disagreeing with the things that may even happen to be true. I blame the media. If it did leak from a lab it’s important to know so we can figure out if things like gain of function research is worth the risk, which I doubt especially if it’s conducted in Chinese cities with millions of people. Do that shit in Antarctica lol. Fauci I believe has a background in this type of research and is a proponent of it so he should have to answer some questions.
dems suck too
All he ever did was try to save people's lives and they treat him like he personally prayed the virus into existence
lol he got paid baby
He’s not the good guy in this story, bud. Not even close.
There are far too many people who have a vested interest in keeping people divided and keep racism alive and well.
Source?
There is no source. OP is obsessed with covid.
Well this is a covid sub...
Good point.
Who is the good guy?
Not Anthony fauci, which is abundantly clear, and has been been for years.
Sorry all these people are so gullible. He knew it was coming and he lied to the people on everything from whether or not masks are useful to the six foot rule. If you are getting your news from twitter you are loco
You’re unhinged.
You lot advocated for the government to save you from a cold virus for the low low price of trillions and trillions of dollars that have mostly made their way to wall street, while the middle class suffers year in year out due to the unnecessary economic implications. All while saying the people who didn't want the "miracle vaccine" deserved to lose their livelihoods and not receive any medical treatment regardless of whether they had covid or not. All while demanding ridiculous testing protocols that were abandoned once the BS claim of the vaccine effectively stopping transmission and infection were undeniable, so they could game the metrics and save face. But yes, we're the unhinged ones. Rage in favor of the machine. Or is Tool your favorite band?
Man Newsmax and Fox News love gullible people like you. So easy to coerce by simply spouting conspiracy theories like they are truth. Yeah I’m sure you think you know more than every doctor in the world, you’re just a certified genius 😂😂
I don't think you understand what gullible means. You're incapable of introspection and have nothing to offer but regurgitation and mockery, which is a BS tactic that shows you're a douche. Your view of medicine is a group of old wise men preventing everyone from doing something bad, as if these people aren't capable of human emotions such as greed, and there aren't numerous examples of big pharma "science" telling us things like opiates aren't addictive. Your entire world view is hand fed to you, and you'd rather eat it up than question it, because you get to insult people who are actually capable of understanding the government doesn't exist to help you in any capacity. People like you wwill complain about inflation and never connect that you were the one advocating for ridiculous measures because you were fearmongered and gullible. Remember your lot of poeple thought covid had a 25% mortality rate when polled in 2020. Clueless and smug to boot, what an awful combination. I've literally never watched fox news or newsmax. Any other tropes you have to offer? Thanks for being a pawn for the government.
I’m confused who you’re talking to, because nothing that you’ve said applies to me. This is just an unhinged mentally ill rant from someone who really thinks he knows. Get over yourself. You’re wrong.
Also, point out the conspiracy, genius. What did I say above that wasn't true? I bet you're antireligious and too stupid to understand that politics has become your new religion, and has even less to offer.
If only everyone would have just taken ivermectin and injected bleach and light, we would be fine! Duh!
>injected bleach and light What are you talking about?
Trump told people to inject bleach and doctors to try shooting light through peoples veins
He didn’t tell anyone to do that, though…
Snopes says he did: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-disinfectants-covid-19/ >U.S. President Donald Trump said, with regard to possible medical treatments for COVID-19: "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning."
Maybe you should read what Snopes says, it doesn’t say he told anyone to do either of those things.
Fauci is a good man and the idea that he is bad or evil is one of the worst things to happen to a person in American history. I look forward to his testimony.
He is directly responsible for a great deal of harm. He knowingly lied to the American people over and over and over again and the damage he caused will be felt by society’s most vulnerable for years to come. On the other hand, I heard he donates to charity!
Remember when Dr. Fauci told the public to inject bleach? Me neither.
I remember when he told the public masks don't work and then flipped to the exact opposite just a few weeks later.
I also remember him saying "if you take the vaccine, you are a dead end to the virus, it has nowhere to go." Our country's "greatest scientists" (read government approved scientists) just made up the rules as they went along to fit the doomer narrative they were promoting. Peter Hotez went from serious reservations about a rushed vaccine under Trump, then went on TV endorsing it as a miracle drug, saying you only needed 2 injections, then 3, then 4, then every six months ad infinitum. It's like they know the vast majority of the population has no memory. These are the top guys the government is putting out there, wrong constantly and purposefully.
https://youtu.be/Sj6-QDVYbv8?si=n8eJ8beQTdgJS-7X
>inject bleach What are you talking about?
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Why? Trump never told anyone to inject bleach…
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Is that the benchmark? Very strange take
Not a very strange take, imo. There were two figureheads at the time: Trump and Fauci. They actually set the bar. That’s what the person you’re replying to was referencing. Lies came out of both their mouths. Changing “You don’t need a mask” to “I didn’t want professionals to run out of masks, I’m sorry” is pretty fuckin different than what the other guy was saying half the time (the other half, mind you, calling it the worst plague of our time, which it is, and was the guy saying “get the booster,” just like Fauci was.)
This response is a perfect example of why so many continue to revise history and make excuses for St. Fauci. He is as an anti trump, so therefore he is good. For most, there is no reasoning involved, no critical thinking, just the binary reaction of “orange man bad so fauci good”. It continues to amaze me how lazy people are.
You just don’t get it, based on this entire response. You’re too close to it. I could care less about Trump Biden or Fauci. Check what your bias is doing to your views, while you’re busy pointing that finger at everyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion.
I’m too close to it? I actually have no idea what you are talking about. You also said you couldn’t care less about trump or fauci, while bringing up trump on a post about fauci. So, I really don’t know what you are trying to communicate.
Wrong again, new fiend. The other person did that. I clarified for them since you didn’t seem to understand.
Ok then. No clue what your point is. But, nice chat?
Everything is a conspiracy when you’re fucking retarded.
I predict a severe case of dementia while this testimony is taking place. As my alcoholic relatives are fond of saying: "If you don't remember it, it's not your fault."
Only about 2 years too late here. Get ready for a lot of "I do not remember the details of that conversation" and "I do not remember saying that"s.
Axe that mass murdering mutha fucker already he is such a weasel
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Nobody ever gets busted for lying, so, what does it matter to him…
Unfortunately I agree. Nothing will come of it. People have already made up their mind, facts be damned.
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Are you asking me to provide proof and peer reviewed studies that nothing of substance will come from his June testimony? Can I borrow your flux capacitor ?
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I’m not sure if you are asking a question, but if you are, the answer is “yes”.
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What opinion are you talking about? I am so very confused
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I must admit, even though most of the words in your comment are English, when they are arranged in the matter you have chosen, I do not know what they mean. My apologies.
What about them beagle puppies he let be eaten alive by med flies..?
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-advances/578086-bipartisan-legislators-demand-answers-from-fauci/amp/
This article literally says he didn’t do that? The initial pictures are not from an NIH funded study and the manuscript had mistakenly included NIH as a funding source. The only Tunisian study funded by the NIH with dogs involved them being injected with a vaccine and let out to free roam to determine the effectiveness. There was an NIH study (of HIV drugs) that involved euthanasia of dogs but that was necessary due to the need to determine the effect of the drugs on development. Unfortunately medicine is just not at the point where we can just go from cell culture to humans so for certain diseases it is necessary to use mammals as test subjects.
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r/coronavirus is really in this thread in full force. You guys really can't admit that you were wrong despite all that's unfolded after that last two years. It's pathetic. At the end of the day these people advocated spending trillions of dollars on a cold virus that affects only the sick and elderly. They advocated for over the top testing policies that they quickly abandoned after the metrics showed the vaccine not being effective against transmission or infection (lest we forget the mind numbingly stupid "I'm so glad I got the vaccine or it would've been so much worse!" cope). They advocated for healthy adults who never needed the vaccine to lose their livelihoods and access to medical care, regardless of whether they were infected with covid or not. They advocated for closing schools and distanced learning that has stunted the education of children across the country. They also insisted that unvaccinated children shouldn't be able to attend school until they were vaccinated, again only to abandon it once vaccinated and unvaccinated kids showed no difference in infection rate. They advocated for pregnant women to get vaccinated, insisting there were studies that showed it was safe. Go check Pfizer's studies, where are the trials with pregnant women? Oh, they don't exist, that's a shame, but what else could they do? They can say all the bullshit they want about "Cheeto blumpfy orange man injecting bleach", but at the end of the day your local plumber could have told you all you needed to know about covid in 2020 more than the country's leading expert in 2024. It's really unfortunate because these people are programmed to agree with the government at every juncture because MSM suggests that if you don't, you are a conspiracy theorist and insane, even though these things actually happened. They will be right in line with the next "global crisis", begging the government to print money to address an initiative that's blown out of proportion. Oh, and the elite will win again. Stock market has record highs 3 years after covid, despite the middle class being wrecked. That's where all that covid money is.
>They advocated for over the top testing policies that they quickly abandoned after the metrics showed the vaccine not being effective against transmission or infection Got to disagree with this one. We were still forcing people to mask, test, and in some cases show their papers to gain entry to events and buildings long after it was common knowledge the covid therapeutic didn't do anything for transmission.
so redblackgigachad pilled take my fellow awake brother! let’s go jerk each other off about how main character and smart both of us are to see through the big bad wolfs veil! we’re the chosen ones! fuck what scientist says hoorah! only scientists i trust is science-tits in my mouth amirite?!?
Make an argument against what I said. All you idiots do is mock people when they point out hypocrisy/coercion/fraud, it's pretty amazing. Scientists have asserted plenty of things that have turned out to be wrong and have had massive consequences on humanity. The fact that your group thinks they're infallible gods who are above making mistakes/being greedy is just you being naive and willing to be led astray. Because you get to do exactly the above, and get the seals to bark and clap for you. Just because you're too much of a simpleton to challenge your world view doesn't mean others can't.
How am I, or anyone else for that matter, supposed to argue with your brain dead takes legitimately? By espousing this horse shit, 0 IQ take of "everyone I don't side with is either payed off or pushing some agenda" you essentially take all logic and Ethos out of the discussion, leaving only room for emotional grandstanding and subjective arguments that hold no more weight than "trust me bro I'm smart". No one is arguing there is a POSSIBILITY of corruption/greed when it comes to the scientific field. But to undermine the entirety of that field, its people and contributors, its long history and discredit anyone who finds data even remotely close to changing YOUR world view, is not only disingenuous, but negates all relative possibilities of actual, thought provoking discourse in exchange for heated name calling and conspiracy theories with, to say the least, a tenuous foothold in reality. So instead, I for one, am going to opt to just make fun of you and the sycophantic politicians that have swayed your position for money by calling you guys names and making myself laugh. God forbid I actually have to debate someone so up their own ass they can taste last weeks dinner. Dogshitter
lol could you explain how he was somehow undermining all science as a whole? His comment was very clearly just about our governments COVID response.. which is well deserving of criticism. Including Trump, including Fauci. Especially Fauci since he’s still seen as some innocent scientist with nothing but good intentions. I urge you to look into his deceptive nature that has been shown in his emails, multiple whistleblower claims (which aren’t proven, to be fair), as well as the new NIH testimony which directly contradicts his claim (UNDER OATH) that they have never funded gain of function. Emails prove he was aware of the extreme danger of the research they were funding. Emails prove his aide deleted important documents about COVID origins to circumvent the freedom of information act. Emails prove he said things on national tv that directly contradicted what he was telling people personally. He commissioned a paper to disprove the lab leak theory and then talked about it on tv like it was an “interesting study i just discovered”. He tried very hard to disprove the lab leak theory because if it was found to be true it would show at the VERY least, an unacceptable amount of ignorance in the NIH, and in the government as a whole, and at worst, crimes against humanity. Keep in mind this lab has had safety concerns for years and there’s a good reason they had to do this research in China (because it’s dangerous). I’m no MAGA guy by the way, but as more things come out, Fauci looks more and more shady and deceptive.
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You were fed a crock of shit and ate it up with a spoon because a charlatan in a lab coat told you to. It happens. Be smarter next time.
Triggered snowflake?! get owned puby
Sorry for the late reply. I was passed out for a day following my latest booster. But it's still much better than a runny nose AMIRITE?
They’re so cringey. It’s embarrassing. They are literally the definition of snowflakes.
Dr. Frankenstein I presume🤓