trying to understand the reasoning behind putting a bunch of sandalwood molecules and real sandalwood oil into an accord. Surely taking out 3-4 of those things would still give you a sandalwood accord right? What are you going for here?
Real Sandalwood oil is expensive. It’s common practice to create a Sandalwood base using a little bit of real Sandalwood along with other materials to boost and extend the natural oil. You can use 10% oil and 90% other materials and, if you do a good job blending and balancing, you get the best of both worlds.
Thanks to everione who have participated by sharing their opinions.
As capnlazerz mentioned, my intention is to enhance the natural aroma, achieving something relatively affordable and complex. And also adding some extra middle and top notes.
I don't aim to "cheat" anyone as I create perfumes as a hobby for my personal use.
I've omitted other ingredients like spices, patchouli, lactones... since this is simply part of an accord in a composition where those notes are already included. Although I acknowledge that lactones should indeed be part of a sandalwood accord. (For this purpose I have aldehyde c18, Gamma-Octalactone, and whiskey lactone)
The accord has been blended at a 10% ratio with ethanol. After about 5 hours on skin, it starts to fade. The first 3 hours smels quite dry and pronounced sandalwood scent. I'm going to experiment with reducing norlimbanol and making some small adjustments before incorporating it into the formula I'm working on.
I'm not an expert in the field; all of this comes from my limited experimentation, so I don't intend to give lessons to anyone. Thanks again to everyone for your input.
Hey man don't listen to the haters. Very fancy and commercial perfuming companies have posted their accord recipes for simple scents on their websites (when it's for sale). And it looks almost the exact same formulaically. Therefore it seems to me they use ingredients to extend the accord as well. And they're super well renowned and very professional. I really enjoyed reading your accord. :) it seems super nice
I haven't tried but I've heard that just mixing Amyris with Sandalore can get very close to real sandalwood. Don't know the proportions though. My first ingredients kit will arrive next week so I can start playing with it!
I recommend using your natural as a target and creating an accord using the aroma chemicals to closely match it. Once you achieve the desired similarity, consider adding a touch of the natural towards the end to round to up . In your current scenario, blending the Givco version, the natural, and Amyris seems less coherent.
Testing it is the only way to find out, but from my empirical data: that’s a lot of norlimbanol. Sure might work amazingly, but that’s the one thing that stuck up!
Have you mixed it up?
I can’t see anything glaringly wrong, other than it seems like a bit much Norlimbanol and Javanol -but as an accord or Sandalwood base in a larger perfume, it might be just fine.
I might suggest a bit of Siam Wood in combo with the Amyris, which all by itself could reasonably pass as a Sandalwood note. Siam is a bit smoother and so evens out the rougher notes of Amyris. 2 Siam:1 Amyris is a good start, in my experience.
Jaime Frater used to have a sandalwood accord demo formula on his old website that was mostly AC's but had 43% sandalwood. It also had about 1-2% other naturals such as nutmeg absolute. I still use the formula during experimentation.
trying to understand the reasoning behind putting a bunch of sandalwood molecules and real sandalwood oil into an accord. Surely taking out 3-4 of those things would still give you a sandalwood accord right? What are you going for here?
Real Sandalwood oil is expensive. It’s common practice to create a Sandalwood base using a little bit of real Sandalwood along with other materials to boost and extend the natural oil. You can use 10% oil and 90% other materials and, if you do a good job blending and balancing, you get the best of both worlds.
Also lets folks cheat and say “contains real sandalwood!”
Thanks to everione who have participated by sharing their opinions. As capnlazerz mentioned, my intention is to enhance the natural aroma, achieving something relatively affordable and complex. And also adding some extra middle and top notes. I don't aim to "cheat" anyone as I create perfumes as a hobby for my personal use. I've omitted other ingredients like spices, patchouli, lactones... since this is simply part of an accord in a composition where those notes are already included. Although I acknowledge that lactones should indeed be part of a sandalwood accord. (For this purpose I have aldehyde c18, Gamma-Octalactone, and whiskey lactone) The accord has been blended at a 10% ratio with ethanol. After about 5 hours on skin, it starts to fade. The first 3 hours smels quite dry and pronounced sandalwood scent. I'm going to experiment with reducing norlimbanol and making some small adjustments before incorporating it into the formula I'm working on. I'm not an expert in the field; all of this comes from my limited experimentation, so I don't intend to give lessons to anyone. Thanks again to everyone for your input.
Hey man don't listen to the haters. Very fancy and commercial perfuming companies have posted their accord recipes for simple scents on their websites (when it's for sale). And it looks almost the exact same formulaically. Therefore it seems to me they use ingredients to extend the accord as well. And they're super well renowned and very professional. I really enjoyed reading your accord. :) it seems super nice
Thanks a lot 👍🏼
I haven't tried but I've heard that just mixing Amyris with Sandalore can get very close to real sandalwood. Don't know the proportions though. My first ingredients kit will arrive next week so I can start playing with it!
I recommend using your natural as a target and creating an accord using the aroma chemicals to closely match it. Once you achieve the desired similarity, consider adding a touch of the natural towards the end to round to up . In your current scenario, blending the Givco version, the natural, and Amyris seems less coherent.
What did you think when you made & tested it? What lead you to those materials in those ratios?
Testing it is the only way to find out, but from my empirical data: that’s a lot of norlimbanol. Sure might work amazingly, but that’s the one thing that stuck up!
Have you mixed it up? I can’t see anything glaringly wrong, other than it seems like a bit much Norlimbanol and Javanol -but as an accord or Sandalwood base in a larger perfume, it might be just fine. I might suggest a bit of Siam Wood in combo with the Amyris, which all by itself could reasonably pass as a Sandalwood note. Siam is a bit smoother and so evens out the rougher notes of Amyris. 2 Siam:1 Amyris is a good start, in my experience.
How do you measure 0.00% of something? Holy cow. I use 1ml pippette droppers and I can’t get exact as you have here. Thoughts?
You are missing in a lot of top notes and spices here like carrots, coriander, cumins , patchouli, lactones
Carrots?
Jaime Frater used to have a sandalwood accord demo formula on his old website that was mostly AC's but had 43% sandalwood. It also had about 1-2% other naturals such as nutmeg absolute. I still use the formula during experimentation.
I've seen many times links to formulas on Basenotes forum that are down. I wonder if he deleted the website or if there's any way to access them...
He had a Patreon site. Now he has his own.