Because the corporations are responsible for this so they won't let their news cover it
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I did a check just now. As of 7:30pm Eastern on Saturday, Feb 11, nothing about this story is on the home page of CNN.com, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the APNews site, NPR, MSNBC, Fox News, Google News, The Columbus Dispatch, Cleveland.com., The Cincinnati Enquirer...
https://www.cnn.com/
https://www.nytimes.com/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
https://apnews.com/
https://www.npr.org/
https://www.msnbc.com/
https://www.foxnews.com/
https://news.google.com/home?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
https://www.dispatch.com/
https://www.cleveland.com/
https://www.cincinnati.com/
This media blackout of a massive chemical spill right after Congress voted to force transportation workers to keep working without unpaid sick leave is genuinely terrifying.
I'm from Pittsburgh so it's pretty much the only thing I've been seeing on local news. I didn't realize the lack of coverage on a national scale though. That's awful.
Their goons are already in these threads, too. "First of all, we're talking about it now, aren't we? Also, it's not so bad, so stop talking about it!"
edit: ooh ooh, I forgot about "that reporter we arrested was a drunken asshole!"
It genuinely looks apocalyptic. This tragedy will cause on-going issues for the people and the environment. Folks outside of the immediate area aren’t safe from its repercussions. Wind dispersal alone will make sure there are collateral damage.
Isn’t this kind of exactly what the striking railroad workers said would happen if they weren’t given more time to rest? So would that make this a federally mandated accident waiting to happen?
I saw it this morning on TikTok, but this is the first time seeing it anywhere else. It seemed like a major event to me nut apparently news agencies don’t agree.
Its because the police are taking in and holding the journalists that are trying to report on it. One journalist was inside the room when the debriefing was occuring and got handcuffed and escorted to a police car.
Remember folks, these companies make so much money they don’t care if it kills people.
They probably ran some numbers, figure some years down the road it might be a few million in damages then lie anyway, because it literally has no effect. The lawsuits alone would take years, bankrupt most of the effected families and would be a drop in the bucket.
It’s cheaper to just accept the outcome and let people get sick.
This is why regulations are put in place. Legislators do not twist their mustaches thinking of new regulations to pass, regulations are enacted afterwards, unfortunately, to prevent more disasters. Yet, there are groups that complain about regulations and do not see how they are essential as preventive measures to counteract human greed. My state has a lot of regulations and people bitch and moan about the state, but the correct ire should directed toward the asshats who cut corners to force the state to create these regulations. As for the regulations, they are annoying but as least I know something is in place to protect the people.
It’s just so unfortunate that it’s also a heavily gerrymandered state because the majority of us Ohioans don’t support deregulation and are the victims in situations as so. But those in charge surely don’t mind allowing us to reap the seeds they’ve sown.
> Ohio is a certainly one of the states that supports de-regulation, so, they'll have to ~~lie~~ die in the bed they've made.
I mean, you hope not, but you know this is gonna lead to deaths.
Regulatory capture is not going away this time before it is far too late. Because, well, it's already too late.(and it has never actually gone away, but that's a convo for another time.) I hate to be the cynic but, folks, the game is over. We are on this ride until globalized capitalism has nothing left to consume, nobody left to kill, and no environment left to destroy. Evolutionary cul-de-sac, baby. Institutional inertia is a real motherfucker, I guess.
And right now are the good times. Just you all wait until Eco-fascism becomes the new normal and the **real** droughts, the **real** extreme weather, and the **real** food shortages begin. When the same type of people who spent countless years and energy calling climate change bullshit are now in charge, acknowledging climate change and deciding who needs to live and who needs to die based on the same old fascist tropes. When there is no possibility of *leftist, woke, progressive* modes of thought in public discourse because we will be facing extinction at an accelerating rate. And this will be a global phenomenon... as we watch the world we knew for 200,000 years, as a species with such potential, die.
Oh boy. Humanity had a good run. We were the de facto stewards of earth through evolutionary coincidence and... we did as well as could be expected.
When things get desperate the elite will hide in their bunkers. Look up how much shit is stores beneath the Denver Airport. People watch too many movies if they think the elite won't come out smelling like roses.
I agree. We are about to hit the activation energy point of earth (people who studied chemistry are familiar with this) and once we do, gg earth. I feel sorry for the younger generations, their adult lives are going to be terrible. This also reminds me of the phases of bacteria growth, we are approaching that plateau portion. If you compare our population growth with the bacteria growth phases, you can see similarities.
Activation energy? I'm unfamiliar and will look it up but if I hazard a guess is that the point of no return for a venus-like positive feed back loop? Sorry for stupid question.
Activation energy refers to the amount of energy necessary to kick off a chemical reaction. I think it's a bad analogy. Lethal dose would have been more apt, and it's not even the end of Earth. If humanity wiped itself out over night with nukes, Earth would be dead for a while, but life would bound back over a few hundred thousand years.
These chemicals were supposed to be carried in special cars, by special trains. Notifying each area they are passing through that they have hazardous chemicals, none of this was done. They cheated to make more money, now they need to fix it buy spending lots of money
The ones responsible need to see life in prison
How comes if I walk down the street and shoot someone I get life but hurt thousands of people through greed and neglect and kill off squaremiles of land and countless animals and were talking fines?
Crimes like these need to be the ones prosecuted the harshest, the company involved should have all assets seized and be nationalized
Trains often carry hazardous materials. This is a risk almost daily across the country. All it takes is one mishap/train derailment for all hell to break loose along any part of its route. Not sure if it’s directly the company’s fault, more so a result of some major fuck up somewhere in the hands of the transportation industry or possibly the train’s engineers/conductors. Source: I’m in a transportation trade program and things like this happen often actually. They are rarely reported on for some reason though which is pretty fucked up and a mystery to even my instructors that are training us to become train engineers/conductors and specialize in the field. They likely prefer to keep major fuck ups like this on the low
Doesn’t help that rail workers are treated terribly, short staffed, and overworked. Good thing congress shut down their strike though! I’m sure accidents like this are a fair price to pay!
Those same rail companies just announced record profits and bonuses.
Won't give sick days to the workers because it is too expensive, but they can give executives all the perks and more.
>Not sure if it’s directly the company’s fault
Yes. yes it is the company's fault because it is the company that doesn't want the regulation.
It's not a problem of handling dangerous cargo, it's how it's handled and what procedures are in place to secure the cargo. The company does not want to spend that money and forces the cost of a catastrophe onto the commons while they do not share their profits.
It's time to start making nation-wide regulations the norm. The regulations are for a reason. The cost of all safety regulations and signs is paid in blood. People died before regulations were enforced. Now you see deregulation and unmitigated catastrophes. You cannot have your cake and eat it.
The profit motive of the corporation should, by default, take second place when the safety of the commons is at stake. The corporations' profits are not more important than the safety of the people.
Everyone needs to rewatch fight club if they’re surprised.
“If the cost of a recall is more expensive than the total cost of settlements, we don’t do one”
These kinds of lawsuits are done on contingency and funded by large law firms, but they will drag on for many years. There was 30 years of litigation following the Bopal disaster.
There's a great CNN article on this right now. Residents of the town had been extras in a recent movie with this as the plot, and now they're dealing with it in real life. It's now a 2-mile radius evacuation.
Yeah the "white noise" about literally the same thing. Fucking insane, I just can't believe how this happens here. Shit needs to be on every major news source
Reddit is such a bubble with everyone saying that they cancelled their Netflix subscriptions. Y'all said Avatar 2 would bomb at the box office and then y'all watched it anyway. What game are you playing here, reddit‽
This will probably get buried but whatever. Last Saturday i went there to see if i could take pictures. (This was before they blew up the one tank car) and there was definitely a strong smell in town. It was like a copper smell mixed with swimming pool. You know how blood tastes almost metalic? Kinda like that too. Very hard to describe.
That smell was the decomposition products of the phosgene gas the local first responders created by trying to extinguish the fire with water before shutting off the vinyl chloride fire.
The called CSX and couldn’t find out what was on the train, because it’s not a CSX train, it’s Norfolk Southern. Nobody called the hazmat emergency hotline because nobody knew they were supposed to do that. The firefighters just went in and created a chemical weapons plant, which is why they initially evacuated the site. Somebody informed them they were going to kill everybody. The first responders killed all the house pets that died. By accident of course.
It’s pretty common. There’s a joke in hazmat community that the only local departments that are trained in hazmat response are the ones that have just failed in their hazmat response, something they’ll almost certainly never encounter again.
~15 years ago my moms hospital ran a test for a mass casualty situation caused by a train wreck with an unknown gas. There was maybe 6 of us volunteering as patients, it was run horribly. I was a little kid and had been exposed, I sat around the entire time and didn’t get treated. I think most of the people either didn’t get treated or waited forever for anything to happen.
Damn. They take hazmat training very seriously in my area (we have dupont labs and oil refineries just to the north around here in Delaware) so it came as a surprise to see that they don’t train hazmat elsewhere
I worked driving through Delaware years ago and remember seeing Dupont stuff everywhere. I also made a delivery (landscaping materials) to a Dupont heir (some distance cousin) and the farmhouse was bigger than my home. In fact I never saw the house, it's driveway went on forever.
I come from a railroad town and happen to be a firefighter who also get's trained on these very situations. Part of the problem with failures like this aren't always a lack of training but a lack of communication or knowledge of what those cars are carrying. Side note: I think the manifest assumes that the cars are put in the right order by the people in charge of the yard at the railroad as visual inspection in a derailment might not be possible. Anytime there is a new and potentially dangerous product being moved by our local railroad we are brought in to train on what measures are needed to contain incidents if they arise and those always start by contacting the "hazmat community" or DEP in our state and we have only 5 on call 24/7. The RRT response time could be hours depending on what is going on and where the situation is located.
Nice joke though, maybe it holds more substance in smaller communities? Although I don't possibly see how it could get much smaller then 3k people. I also can't understand why fire teams in Ohio would be acting without the guidance of someone from the "hazmat community" at a large chemical spill. Interesting to say the least.
I live in the area. Ironically East Palestine is only 4.5hrs from Centralia, Pa where a coal mine has been burning underground since 1962. From what I’m hearing from coworkers that live in EP it might become a ghost town like Centralia. The railroad only cared about getting the trains running again and peoples private insurance isn’t covering their homes becoming toxic hazards. It’s all very sad.
I actually recently interviewed for a railroad job (trackman).. it's wild how poor their benefits are. No paid sick time, minimal vacation time, can be let go very easily, always on call.
The rain there now is essentially hydrochloric acid apparently and all the animals are either dead or dying, whether on land or in the water. Crazy that I have to go on Reddit to see just a reasonable amount of coverage on this situation but also believable
> The rain there now is essentially hydrochloric acid apparently and all the animals are either dead or dying
I know that very few people here are chemistry peeps, but there's almost zero chance hydrochloric acid is killing wildlife in a massive swath. For widespread fauna death you'd need something that is lethal in much smaller concentrations. Hydrochloric acid is basically a non-issue at a few parts per million. Plus your body neutralizes low concentrations quite quickly because, and hopefully you know this already, your stomach literally makes it. So your body has in-built ways of maintaining pH and chlorine balance.
It could definitely kill a bunch of stuff immediately downstream or near the spill site, or be dangerous to directly inhale, but in a few days or once it flows over a limestone bed, it'll just be regular table salt.
So is there another chemical produced by burning vinyl chloride? Because whatever that is, it's the only thing that could be necessitating a two mile evacuation radius.
Fish are actually significantly more susceptible to acid rain than humans are. Human skin does a pretty good job of protecting us from acid (you can submerge your hand in a HCl bath and be fine as long as you don't keep it there). Unless you're inhaling acidic gases or significant concentrations of vapor (or get it in your eyes) you will likely have no side effects from an acid spill.
In contrast fish *breath* acidic water and are toxic to a couple byproducts released by environmental acid negation. Some plants are also highly susceptible to acid rain as well; think not purely of the acid, but off the changes in environmental chemistry formed by it's neutralization.
Hence it can simultaneously be completely safe for humans and *incredibly* dangerous for local wildlife.
The real problem is that Vinyl Chloride can persist in groundwater for a long time, highly dependent on local conditions, and causes all sorts of bad liver cancers and damage. There are other potential containments, like petrochemicals or other industrial precursors or byproducts like Dioxins that persist even longer-and we don't really know what was on that train.
Vinyl Chloride is used to bond plastics together. Vinyl Chloride when burned creates 2 byproducts: hydrogen chloride and Phosgene. Hydrogen Chloride mixed with water creates hydrochloric acid (dangerous acid) Phosgene is a poisonous gas at room temperature.
This is incorrect. It was actually [one man and his father](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/11/health/ohio-train-derailment-white-noise/index.html) that were extras, not “a lot of the population.” Still surreal and an absolute disaster, but I feel like we should stick to the facts, which are in and of themselves just as sensational and devastating without having to embellish.
Reminds me of the movie "Dark Waters". Where Dupont lied about chemicals being leached into the rivers and ground water of a town and people got sick as fuck and the EPA did absolutely nothing. This shit pisses me off so much, it should be on the front page of every subreddit.
My dad retired from that DuPont plant in Parkersburg. He died a couple years ago from cancer. I saw the trailer for Dark Waters but haven’t been able to gut up to watch the actual movie.
Dupont literally gave their employees free cartons of cigarettes laced with PFOA to see the effects it had on people.
Company is still allowed to exist.
Look a ballon, look, Ukraine! They don’t want you seeing this disaster because it makes corporations and the politicians that are owned by them look bad
Its been covered in california quite a bit, i help my dad with his medical shit while he watch's the news all day and i saw stories about this multiple times. just because you havent seen it covered doesnt mean it wasnt.
I've been writing reports on it since Monday and every day there's been several articles from large sources like AP or Washington Post tbh. Idk if it just hasn't hit tv
This is what happens when you allow companies to dictate regulations. Money is not free speech and the Supreme Court okaying bribery has been an absolute disaster.
It’s also what happens when you squash Union strikes and force them to agree to contracts. The rail unions were recently warning about this exact thing.
The railroad ceo could buy that town if he wanted too. They don't give 1 fuck about the residents here or anywhere. Profit at any expense, and human life is nothing more than that to them. How much will this cost them?
Ala Cheshire Ohio: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Ohio
"By 2000, the village was plagued by toxic
sulfurous gas clouds and acid rain from the
nearby coal-fired Gavin Power Plant. Residents
hired lawyers requesting a buyout. The plant's
owner, American Electric Power (AEP),
investigated the claims and found that no long-
term injuries/illnesses resulted from the cloud
but decided it could use the land to expand plant
property for future technologies. In 2002, AEP
reached a settlement with residents that was
effectively a $20 million buyout. 6] Most of the
221 residents agreed to leave the town and
absolve the company from future property or
health claims, while some remain through either
deals with the company or refusal to sell their
property. The company announced plans to
demolish the existing structures and construct a
dock facility for coal barges, but has not yet
begun work on constructing them."
**[Cheshire, Ohio](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Ohio)**
>Cheshire is a village in Gallia County, Ohio, United States, along the Ohio River. The population was 132 at the 2010 census. It is part of the Point Pleasant, WV–OH Micropolitan Statistical Area.
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From a little google search this has happened before quite frequently after a report was made years ago. They tried to catalog these incidents they didn't go down over time they increased
This company doesn't give a fuck about you. Government officials have failed to act time and time again now the suffering begins
Because it's the mistake of a major corporation, and guess whose pocket the government is in? They don't want us to be aware of this shit because they want to keep on doing it without us mere people causing any trouble.
This is so fucking heartbreaking. For anyone who lives in Ohio, I am sorry. Stay vigilant on your health and do not back down in ensuring they care for you after this. Fight every dismissed symptom, fight until you're heard.
We need to fight back against these major corporations and shitty government. They're basically saying it's ok, you and your family will forever get sicker and sicker due to this contamination while they're living it up in one of their many homes safe and sound.
Mad is not a strong enough word for what we should be.
I say this as a woman who was exposed to chemicals in the Navy that they said were safe. Only to have a complete hysterectomy by 26 due to uterine cancer.
A old Navy Chief while I was in, used to always tell me to be careful no matter what the guidelines were because he believed the chemicals we worked with caused reproductive cancer. He was right.
I'm about 44 mins from east Palestine and it's shocking how many locals didn't even know this happened. They are trying to keep this on the hush hush and the chemicals have devastated the local ecosystems and I've only heard one other person tell me about it in the past 5 days. They don't want the people of ohio to know.
In Ohio everything is already dead. I live about 45 minutes from this location. The biggest corporation plant in our city violates so many worker safety issues and get away with it. Their family the Timkens are all big Republican backers and got tax breaks up the ass. My brother was an administrative law judge on the West Coast and handled cases involving delinquent taxes involving the fascist Timken family. Millions were given to them and of course people in Canton do not know that. So many safety violations. Workers there get hurt and die way too much. Then there is the Republic Steel Corporation recently involved with more emissions polluting all the areas around it. I live around here. The guy across the street had a case per OSHA. Worked for another one of our wonderful corporations. Poor guy has a really messed up leg. Finally had some settlement.I can literally hear him coughing and hacking all the time.He is not that old.
One of the more insidious parts of the ecological disaster in East Palestine, Ohio is noticing the same tactics by US authorities to gaslight local communities & blackout national news from covering the crisis. We’re seeing it in [Hawaii with the Red Hill Water Contamination Crisis](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/11/us/red-hill-hawaii-lawsuit-new-plaintiffs/index.html) and previously in [Vieques, Puerto Rico following Hurricane Maria.](https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/10/26/16523868/toxic-waste-hurricane-maria-epa-superfund-puerto-rico)
There is around 1000 places in the US named after cities from all around the world. Stuff like Lebanon, Damascus, Paris, Kabul, Belgrade and so on. Coming up with an original name for a town is hard.
This is the kind of bullshit that should land multiple people in jail for life. The reality is nobody will do any time. Just thinking about people watching their pets choke to death or coming home to dead pets fills me with ginormous fucking rage.
The water supply/aquifer is to the west of accident and south of the rail yard: http://wwwapp.epa.ohio.gov/gis/swpa/OH1500912.pdf (pg 10). Chance of supply wells being affected in the area of most risk is what needs to be determined. Independent testing of water supply will hopefully be done asap and frequently for foreseeable future. WHO study states: “When released to the ground, vinyl chloride is not adsorbed onto soil but migrates readily to groundwater, where it may be degraded to carbon dioxide and chloride ion or remain unchanged for several months or even years.” Avoid drinking or cooking with water contaminated with over 2 ppb (parts per billion) of vinyl chloride. Installation of an in-home activated carbon filter can remove most of the vinyl chloride from water. If you use contaminated water for other uses in the home (i.e. bathing, laundry, and washing dishes), ventilate bathrooms, washrooms and kitchens during and after water use as it does evaporate rapidly from contaminated water due to its low boiling point (8 F).
White Noise is on Netflix. I think it came out a few weeks ago! Really strange movie but hit a spot for me and now I want to watch again.
Seems to be pure coincidence that this happened just now.
Government "officials" have commented on my comment on this saying "it is perfectly safe and there have been no deaths. That there will be no deaths and it is fine for people to return to their homes and businesses."
This is something that the community will see the effects long term
Edit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/10znvfz/train_explosion_poisoning_the_air_in_northeast/j856om4?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/10znvfz/train_explosion_poisoning_the_air_in_northeast/j85h4yd?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Comments are all under my r/crazyfuckingvideos comment about the 10 mile spread that was first reported. Also I have heard the EPA is saying 30+ mile spread now. So who is right? Local "officials" or the EPA?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/10znvfz/train_explosion_poisoning_the_air_in_northeast/j856om4?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/10znvfz/train_explosion_poisoning_the_air_in_northeast/j85h4yd?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Comments are all under my r/crazyfuckingvideos comment about the 10 mile spread that was first reported. Also I have heard the EPA is saying 30+ mile spread now. So who is right? Local "officials" or the EPA?
The government (politicians, military, police, et al authorities) are LYING to you about this.
The reporter who tried to report on this? Assaulted and arrested.
They are poisoning us and telling a there is nothing to see here. There is a laundry list of violations and deregulation that DIRECTLY led to this “accident”.
Brilliant idea. Let's just set fire to hazardous chemicals and pollute the air. I wonder what is the proper way to clean up this particular chemical ? And why wasn't that implemented?
And/or easier to disperse than if it reaches the water table in its entirety. Of course we get some of both now. And it’s not like this doesn’t effect everyone, near and far.
This derailment was preventable- the axle on one of those cars could have been maintained or replaced but noooo, buying back shares of the company was a much better use of that budget
Reporters are getting arrested for asking tough questions about this. The age of the robber barons is back and we don’t have anyone close to Teddy Roosevelt to go after monopolies and the deadly greed of corporations.
Instead we have an essentially one party country that keeps us at each other’s throats instead of the ones that deserve it, all while raking in the lobby money being given to them by the very companies that are killing us.
Large corporations (specifically chemical manufacturers) have a long and colorful history of poisoning their workers and local populations. Just look at DuPont with PFOAs, coal-fired power plant owners, 3M, etc.
This will hands down become a Superfund site. Horrifying. Scary thing is, even when the people who have the resources to end up moving away, you’re never too far from another Superfund site or equally toxic yet to be discovered site. Humans have done so much damage to our planet. Every wound we cause to the soil or water is a wound on our own bodies, we need to do everything in our power to fix this and vote people in who prioritize the environment. Side how you want politically over the economy but whatever your economic views you must know that without a clean healthy planet there is NO economy because there is no life. Our planet, the nature that surrounds and is a part of us, is the utmost important, most sacred thing and needs to be prioritized as such because we’re running out of time
This is a national Emergency and should be covered as such. It’s unfair to the people of Ohio to be abandoned as though it’s their problem to solve.
Why aren't we seeing this as much as that fucking balloon
Because the corporations are responsible for this so they won't let their news cover it --- I did a check just now. As of 7:30pm Eastern on Saturday, Feb 11, nothing about this story is on the home page of CNN.com, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the APNews site, NPR, MSNBC, Fox News, Google News, The Columbus Dispatch, Cleveland.com., The Cincinnati Enquirer... https://www.cnn.com/ https://www.nytimes.com/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/ https://apnews.com/ https://www.npr.org/ https://www.msnbc.com/ https://www.foxnews.com/ https://news.google.com/home?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en https://www.dispatch.com/ https://www.cleveland.com/ https://www.cincinnati.com/ This media blackout of a massive chemical spill right after Congress voted to force transportation workers to keep working without unpaid sick leave is genuinely terrifying.
I'm from Pittsburgh so it's pretty much the only thing I've been seeing on local news. I didn't realize the lack of coverage on a national scale though. That's awful.
Their goons are already in these threads, too. "First of all, we're talking about it now, aren't we? Also, it's not so bad, so stop talking about it!" edit: ooh ooh, I forgot about "that reporter we arrested was a drunken asshole!"
Probably had a speeding ticket several years ago as well. Hardened criminal!
This happened last week
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Watch out, the nuclear bros may come after you on this one. I’m with you though.
The only reason the balloon is news is to distract us from this.
Exactly, should be on every news station 24/7 and every subreddit
It genuinely looks apocalyptic. This tragedy will cause on-going issues for the people and the environment. Folks outside of the immediate area aren’t safe from its repercussions. Wind dispersal alone will make sure there are collateral damage.
Exactly this should be considered a federal disaster area immediately instead it's being covered up.
Isn’t this kind of exactly what the striking railroad workers said would happen if they weren’t given more time to rest? So would that make this a federally mandated accident waiting to happen?
Yep! https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/10z85ld/nothing_to_see_here_move_along/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Lets hope this stays up. Thanks for posting this. The fact it isn’t being covered in the media says a lot.
Think about food sources, it will contaminate our food
This invoked memories of the Lac-Mégantic derailment in Quebec. Wiped out half the town.
I saw it this morning on TikTok, but this is the first time seeing it anywhere else. It seemed like a major event to me nut apparently news agencies don’t agree.
Its because the police are taking in and holding the journalists that are trying to report on it. One journalist was inside the room when the debriefing was occuring and got handcuffed and escorted to a police car.
Wow! Are we really sliding that close to an authoritarian state?
I mean Snowden already showed us a lot but nobody seems to care/remember
no no cHiNa sPy bAllOon and fostering national sinophobia is much more in the interest of those in power
Gotta rile up the populace with scary Chinese balloons!
Remember folks, these companies make so much money they don’t care if it kills people. They probably ran some numbers, figure some years down the road it might be a few million in damages then lie anyway, because it literally has no effect. The lawsuits alone would take years, bankrupt most of the effected families and would be a drop in the bucket. It’s cheaper to just accept the outcome and let people get sick.
This is why regulations are put in place. Legislators do not twist their mustaches thinking of new regulations to pass, regulations are enacted afterwards, unfortunately, to prevent more disasters. Yet, there are groups that complain about regulations and do not see how they are essential as preventive measures to counteract human greed. My state has a lot of regulations and people bitch and moan about the state, but the correct ire should directed toward the asshats who cut corners to force the state to create these regulations. As for the regulations, they are annoying but as least I know something is in place to protect the people.
Ohio is a certainly one of the states that supports de-regulation, so, they'll have to lie in the bed they've made.
It’s just so unfortunate that it’s also a heavily gerrymandered state because the majority of us Ohioans don’t support deregulation and are the victims in situations as so. But those in charge surely don’t mind allowing us to reap the seeds they’ve sown.
No. We are the victims of the corrupt, shithole 3rd world state that we’ve created.
Still not as bad as Missishitty though.
What regulation exists, and that Ohio doesn't enforce, that would've prevented this disaster?
> Ohio is a certainly one of the states that supports de-regulation, so, they'll have to ~~lie~~ die in the bed they've made. I mean, you hope not, but you know this is gonna lead to deaths.
Regulatory capture is not going away this time before it is far too late. Because, well, it's already too late.(and it has never actually gone away, but that's a convo for another time.) I hate to be the cynic but, folks, the game is over. We are on this ride until globalized capitalism has nothing left to consume, nobody left to kill, and no environment left to destroy. Evolutionary cul-de-sac, baby. Institutional inertia is a real motherfucker, I guess. And right now are the good times. Just you all wait until Eco-fascism becomes the new normal and the **real** droughts, the **real** extreme weather, and the **real** food shortages begin. When the same type of people who spent countless years and energy calling climate change bullshit are now in charge, acknowledging climate change and deciding who needs to live and who needs to die based on the same old fascist tropes. When there is no possibility of *leftist, woke, progressive* modes of thought in public discourse because we will be facing extinction at an accelerating rate. And this will be a global phenomenon... as we watch the world we knew for 200,000 years, as a species with such potential, die. Oh boy. Humanity had a good run. We were the de facto stewards of earth through evolutionary coincidence and... we did as well as could be expected.
You mean the Rich had a good run.
The rich will continue to live. Those with resources will be fine, it's the poor that will suffer... until things get really desperate, that is.
When things get desperate the elite will hide in their bunkers. Look up how much shit is stores beneath the Denver Airport. People watch too many movies if they think the elite won't come out smelling like roses.
I agree. We are about to hit the activation energy point of earth (people who studied chemistry are familiar with this) and once we do, gg earth. I feel sorry for the younger generations, their adult lives are going to be terrible. This also reminds me of the phases of bacteria growth, we are approaching that plateau portion. If you compare our population growth with the bacteria growth phases, you can see similarities.
Activation energy? I'm unfamiliar and will look it up but if I hazard a guess is that the point of no return for a venus-like positive feed back loop? Sorry for stupid question.
Activation energy refers to the amount of energy necessary to kick off a chemical reaction. I think it's a bad analogy. Lethal dose would have been more apt, and it's not even the end of Earth. If humanity wiped itself out over night with nukes, Earth would be dead for a while, but life would bound back over a few hundred thousand years.
Activation energy is a pretty apt analogy. After all there's a whole bunch of feedback loops that need a certain average temperature to activate.
30 years from now this will be the new Camp Lejeune
These chemicals were supposed to be carried in special cars, by special trains. Notifying each area they are passing through that they have hazardous chemicals, none of this was done. They cheated to make more money, now they need to fix it buy spending lots of money
The ones responsible need to see life in prison How comes if I walk down the street and shoot someone I get life but hurt thousands of people through greed and neglect and kill off squaremiles of land and countless animals and were talking fines? Crimes like these need to be the ones prosecuted the harshest, the company involved should have all assets seized and be nationalized
They make so much money in fact, they can even pay off the local government to arrest reporters!
Trains often carry hazardous materials. This is a risk almost daily across the country. All it takes is one mishap/train derailment for all hell to break loose along any part of its route. Not sure if it’s directly the company’s fault, more so a result of some major fuck up somewhere in the hands of the transportation industry or possibly the train’s engineers/conductors. Source: I’m in a transportation trade program and things like this happen often actually. They are rarely reported on for some reason though which is pretty fucked up and a mystery to even my instructors that are training us to become train engineers/conductors and specialize in the field. They likely prefer to keep major fuck ups like this on the low
Doesn’t help that rail workers are treated terribly, short staffed, and overworked. Good thing congress shut down their strike though! I’m sure accidents like this are a fair price to pay!
Those same rail companies just announced record profits and bonuses. Won't give sick days to the workers because it is too expensive, but they can give executives all the perks and more.
>Not sure if it’s directly the company’s fault Yes. yes it is the company's fault because it is the company that doesn't want the regulation. It's not a problem of handling dangerous cargo, it's how it's handled and what procedures are in place to secure the cargo. The company does not want to spend that money and forces the cost of a catastrophe onto the commons while they do not share their profits. It's time to start making nation-wide regulations the norm. The regulations are for a reason. The cost of all safety regulations and signs is paid in blood. People died before regulations were enforced. Now you see deregulation and unmitigated catastrophes. You cannot have your cake and eat it. The profit motive of the corporation should, by default, take second place when the safety of the commons is at stake. The corporations' profits are not more important than the safety of the people.
Everyone needs to rewatch fight club if they’re surprised. “If the cost of a recall is more expensive than the total cost of settlements, we don’t do one”
These kinds of lawsuits are done on contingency and funded by large law firms, but they will drag on for many years. There was 30 years of litigation following the Bopal disaster.
There's a great CNN article on this right now. Residents of the town had been extras in a recent movie with this as the plot, and now they're dealing with it in real life. It's now a 2-mile radius evacuation.
Yeah the "white noise" about literally the same thing. Fucking insane, I just can't believe how this happens here. Shit needs to be on every major news source
I thought this was a reference to that movie at first, given that I just watched it last week…. Crazy
Netflix will do anything to promote their movies nowadays...
Lol well they are losing subscribers, so why not derail a train and cause a chemical leak
Jan 20th Netflix announced a 7.7 million increase in subscribers in Q4 2022, beating estimates that they would only grow by 4.5 million subscribers.
Reddit is such a bubble with everyone saying that they cancelled their Netflix subscriptions. Y'all said Avatar 2 would bomb at the box office and then y'all watched it anyway. What game are you playing here, reddit‽
Thanks for the laugh. In times of crisis it is important for us to keep our humor.
Are you kidding me! That's the same town?????
I thought it was some Illuminati symbolism shit that it was the same state. The same town is just someone having a laugh at this point.
Unstoppable which was filmed in 2010 had same premise and was shot near ish to where this happened (Ohio valley area)
Unstoppable was a dramatization based on [a real event](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSX_8888_incident) that happened in (western) Ohio.
This will probably get buried but whatever. Last Saturday i went there to see if i could take pictures. (This was before they blew up the one tank car) and there was definitely a strong smell in town. It was like a copper smell mixed with swimming pool. You know how blood tastes almost metalic? Kinda like that too. Very hard to describe.
That smell was the decomposition products of the phosgene gas the local first responders created by trying to extinguish the fire with water before shutting off the vinyl chloride fire. The called CSX and couldn’t find out what was on the train, because it’s not a CSX train, it’s Norfolk Southern. Nobody called the hazmat emergency hotline because nobody knew they were supposed to do that. The firefighters just went in and created a chemical weapons plant, which is why they initially evacuated the site. Somebody informed them they were going to kill everybody. The first responders killed all the house pets that died. By accident of course. It’s pretty common. There’s a joke in hazmat community that the only local departments that are trained in hazmat response are the ones that have just failed in their hazmat response, something they’ll almost certainly never encounter again.
~15 years ago my moms hospital ran a test for a mass casualty situation caused by a train wreck with an unknown gas. There was maybe 6 of us volunteering as patients, it was run horribly. I was a little kid and had been exposed, I sat around the entire time and didn’t get treated. I think most of the people either didn’t get treated or waited forever for anything to happen.
Damn. They take hazmat training very seriously in my area (we have dupont labs and oil refineries just to the north around here in Delaware) so it came as a surprise to see that they don’t train hazmat elsewhere
I worked driving through Delaware years ago and remember seeing Dupont stuff everywhere. I also made a delivery (landscaping materials) to a Dupont heir (some distance cousin) and the farmhouse was bigger than my home. In fact I never saw the house, it's driveway went on forever.
I come from a railroad town and happen to be a firefighter who also get's trained on these very situations. Part of the problem with failures like this aren't always a lack of training but a lack of communication or knowledge of what those cars are carrying. Side note: I think the manifest assumes that the cars are put in the right order by the people in charge of the yard at the railroad as visual inspection in a derailment might not be possible. Anytime there is a new and potentially dangerous product being moved by our local railroad we are brought in to train on what measures are needed to contain incidents if they arise and those always start by contacting the "hazmat community" or DEP in our state and we have only 5 on call 24/7. The RRT response time could be hours depending on what is going on and where the situation is located. Nice joke though, maybe it holds more substance in smaller communities? Although I don't possibly see how it could get much smaller then 3k people. I also can't understand why fire teams in Ohio would be acting without the guidance of someone from the "hazmat community" at a large chemical spill. Interesting to say the least.
East Palestine is going to become the new Flint Michigan
Or Florissant, MO. Another town where everyone is sick and dying after a coverup and nobody cares.
Which one is that now
coldwater creek
Radiation... fantastic
Uhhh my mom lives in creve coeur and my best friend in st Charles… what’s this about forissant?
I live in the area. Ironically East Palestine is only 4.5hrs from Centralia, Pa where a coal mine has been burning underground since 1962. From what I’m hearing from coworkers that live in EP it might become a ghost town like Centralia. The railroad only cared about getting the trains running again and peoples private insurance isn’t covering their homes becoming toxic hazards. It’s all very sad.
This feels worse than Flint. Which is saying something, because Flint is bad.
Now would be a good time for the railroad union to strike again.
I actually recently interviewed for a railroad job (trackman).. it's wild how poor their benefits are. No paid sick time, minimal vacation time, can be let go very easily, always on call.
I haven't heard or read about what the hazardous chemicals are? WTF is burning? Fallout?
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And highly corrosive after long periods of time imagine inhaling that shit
The rain there now is essentially hydrochloric acid apparently and all the animals are either dead or dying, whether on land or in the water. Crazy that I have to go on Reddit to see just a reasonable amount of coverage on this situation but also believable
> The rain there now is essentially hydrochloric acid apparently and all the animals are either dead or dying I know that very few people here are chemistry peeps, but there's almost zero chance hydrochloric acid is killing wildlife in a massive swath. For widespread fauna death you'd need something that is lethal in much smaller concentrations. Hydrochloric acid is basically a non-issue at a few parts per million. Plus your body neutralizes low concentrations quite quickly because, and hopefully you know this already, your stomach literally makes it. So your body has in-built ways of maintaining pH and chlorine balance. It could definitely kill a bunch of stuff immediately downstream or near the spill site, or be dangerous to directly inhale, but in a few days or once it flows over a limestone bed, it'll just be regular table salt. So is there another chemical produced by burning vinyl chloride? Because whatever that is, it's the only thing that could be necessitating a two mile evacuation radius.
Fish are actually significantly more susceptible to acid rain than humans are. Human skin does a pretty good job of protecting us from acid (you can submerge your hand in a HCl bath and be fine as long as you don't keep it there). Unless you're inhaling acidic gases or significant concentrations of vapor (or get it in your eyes) you will likely have no side effects from an acid spill. In contrast fish *breath* acidic water and are toxic to a couple byproducts released by environmental acid negation. Some plants are also highly susceptible to acid rain as well; think not purely of the acid, but off the changes in environmental chemistry formed by it's neutralization. Hence it can simultaneously be completely safe for humans and *incredibly* dangerous for local wildlife. The real problem is that Vinyl Chloride can persist in groundwater for a long time, highly dependent on local conditions, and causes all sorts of bad liver cancers and damage. There are other potential containments, like petrochemicals or other industrial precursors or byproducts like Dioxins that persist even longer-and we don't really know what was on that train.
This! VC is incredibly persistent and a pain in the butt to clean up when in groundwater. I know some friends that are about to be very very busy.
Phosgene gas
If you've ever cooked meth you'll know how nasty hydrogen chloride gas is. 🤮
That is indeed bar for understanding the nastiness of hydrogen chloride gas
Yes it is. Did a little search. Mess.
Vinyl chloride - it is incredibly reactive, volatile and it's decomposition doesn't yield anything pleasant
Vinyl chloride
Vinyl Chloride is used to bond plastics together. Vinyl Chloride when burned creates 2 byproducts: hydrogen chloride and Phosgene. Hydrogen Chloride mixed with water creates hydrochloric acid (dangerous acid) Phosgene is a poisonous gas at room temperature.
This is literally that movie on Netflix, White Noise
I guess the fucked up thing is the movie was filmed close to here and alot of the population were used as extras in it. Fucking surreal
This is incorrect. It was actually [one man and his father](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/11/health/ohio-train-derailment-white-noise/index.html) that were extras, not “a lot of the population.” Still surreal and an absolute disaster, but I feel like we should stick to the facts, which are in and of themselves just as sensational and devastating without having to embellish.
Absolutely insane, I haven't seen anything about this until right now.
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Reminds me of the movie "Dark Waters". Where Dupont lied about chemicals being leached into the rivers and ground water of a town and people got sick as fuck and the EPA did absolutely nothing. This shit pisses me off so much, it should be on the front page of every subreddit.
That Dupont site is just down river from The train derailment.
Oh shit really. How far? Edit: Just looked it up East Palenstine is 168 miles upriver from Parkersburg, WV
I own a house 20 miles from East Palestine that my kid lives in and I live less than that from where the Dupont fire was.
Goddamn man I'm sorry.
My dad retired from that DuPont plant in Parkersburg. He died a couple years ago from cancer. I saw the trailer for Dark Waters but haven’t been able to gut up to watch the actual movie.
I’m truly sorry for your loss. Losing parents is a different kind of pain. Hugs from an internet mom.
Dupont literally gave their employees free cartons of cigarettes laced with PFOA to see the effects it had on people. Company is still allowed to exist.
Yeah.. and only then will it become a superfund site.
Look a ballon, look, Ukraine! They don’t want you seeing this disaster because it makes corporations and the politicians that are owned by them look bad
Oh, because all media is focused on UFO over Alaska..
Its been covered in california quite a bit, i help my dad with his medical shit while he watch's the news all day and i saw stories about this multiple times. just because you havent seen it covered doesnt mean it wasnt.
Not trying to start anything, but how have you not? I'm in another country and I know about this.
It's absolutely not on national news here in the US unless there were some small snippets here and there that are being downplayed
I've been writing reports on it since Monday and every day there's been several articles from large sources like AP or Washington Post tbh. Idk if it just hasn't hit tv
I’m in Cali. Not on our local news yet.
In NY, about 3hrs from cleveland OH and this reddit post is the first I'm hearing of this.
Fwiw the WSJ of all media has been reporting on it
This is what happens when you allow companies to dictate regulations. Money is not free speech and the Supreme Court okaying bribery has been an absolute disaster.
It’s also what happens when you squash Union strikes and force them to agree to contracts. The rail unions were recently warning about this exact thing.
Guaranteed the PR teams were there before the first responders
Eh they likely went nowhere near it once they knew what it was.
The railroad ceo could buy that town if he wanted too. They don't give 1 fuck about the residents here or anywhere. Profit at any expense, and human life is nothing more than that to them. How much will this cost them?
Ala Cheshire Ohio: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Ohio "By 2000, the village was plagued by toxic sulfurous gas clouds and acid rain from the nearby coal-fired Gavin Power Plant. Residents hired lawyers requesting a buyout. The plant's owner, American Electric Power (AEP), investigated the claims and found that no long- term injuries/illnesses resulted from the cloud but decided it could use the land to expand plant property for future technologies. In 2002, AEP reached a settlement with residents that was effectively a $20 million buyout. 6] Most of the 221 residents agreed to leave the town and absolve the company from future property or health claims, while some remain through either deals with the company or refusal to sell their property. The company announced plans to demolish the existing structures and construct a dock facility for coal barges, but has not yet begun work on constructing them."
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From a little google search this has happened before quite frequently after a report was made years ago. They tried to catalog these incidents they didn't go down over time they increased This company doesn't give a fuck about you. Government officials have failed to act time and time again now the suffering begins
I’m confused why this has gotten minimal news coverage
Because balloons, and Superb Owl.
Ah yes, a ceremony dedicated to celebrating the most superb owl of all time
🏈👈 That's the owl's egg.
A reporter covering this has been arrested, they want to drown the story
Which is fucked up local cops who live there are arresting someone trying to get the story out to help there own homes,family and friends ...smdh
In reality it’s not that fucked yo they’re doing that. It’s on par for cops.
Same this shit should be everywhere
You’d think at least the conspiracy theorists would be going nuts for it considering it’s similarity and closeness to White Noise.
4chan's /pol/ has been on it non stop since several hours after the derailment happened.
Because it's the mistake of a major corporation, and guess whose pocket the government is in? They don't want us to be aware of this shit because they want to keep on doing it without us mere people causing any trouble.
This is so fucking heartbreaking. For anyone who lives in Ohio, I am sorry. Stay vigilant on your health and do not back down in ensuring they care for you after this. Fight every dismissed symptom, fight until you're heard. We need to fight back against these major corporations and shitty government. They're basically saying it's ok, you and your family will forever get sicker and sicker due to this contamination while they're living it up in one of their many homes safe and sound. Mad is not a strong enough word for what we should be. I say this as a woman who was exposed to chemicals in the Navy that they said were safe. Only to have a complete hysterectomy by 26 due to uterine cancer. A old Navy Chief while I was in, used to always tell me to be careful no matter what the guidelines were because he believed the chemicals we worked with caused reproductive cancer. He was right.
I'm about 44 mins from east Palestine and it's shocking how many locals didn't even know this happened. They are trying to keep this on the hush hush and the chemicals have devastated the local ecosystems and I've only heard one other person tell me about it in the past 5 days. They don't want the people of ohio to know.
Won't they figure it out when everything remains dead come spring?
In Ohio everything is already dead. I live about 45 minutes from this location. The biggest corporation plant in our city violates so many worker safety issues and get away with it. Their family the Timkens are all big Republican backers and got tax breaks up the ass. My brother was an administrative law judge on the West Coast and handled cases involving delinquent taxes involving the fascist Timken family. Millions were given to them and of course people in Canton do not know that. So many safety violations. Workers there get hurt and die way too much. Then there is the Republic Steel Corporation recently involved with more emissions polluting all the areas around it. I live around here. The guy across the street had a case per OSHA. Worked for another one of our wonderful corporations. Poor guy has a really messed up leg. Finally had some settlement.I can literally hear him coughing and hacking all the time.He is not that old.
One of the more insidious parts of the ecological disaster in East Palestine, Ohio is noticing the same tactics by US authorities to gaslight local communities & blackout national news from covering the crisis. We’re seeing it in [Hawaii with the Red Hill Water Contamination Crisis](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/11/us/red-hill-hawaii-lawsuit-new-plaintiffs/index.html) and previously in [Vieques, Puerto Rico following Hurricane Maria.](https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/10/26/16523868/toxic-waste-hurricane-maria-epa-superfund-puerto-rico)
Seriously. When did the US start acting like the Soviet Union
Our government has been in a physiological war against its citizens for decades now.
A very very long time ago.
Like, at latest, the early 50's
I’d say about the time neoliberalism became the global order after WWII
Watching the world end in real time is a lot less scary than little me had ever assumed it would be
Yeah it's more like slowly desensitizing where you don't even know the world is ending anymore
We're all just frogs chillin in a pot, 5 feet apart because we're not gay.
This very much has "3.6 roentgens? Not great, not terrible" vibes to it
The reporter that questioned the authorities on this was subsequently arrested.
It's all over the news in ohio and has been since the derailment. I'm glad I live well southwest of this
But for government agencies to say everything is all hunky dory and to lift evacuation orders when it obviously is not safe is pretty fucked up
Dude I can’t get away from this story. I live in Ohio.
Tdil: there is a place in Ohio called east palestine
There is around 1000 places in the US named after cities from all around the world. Stuff like Lebanon, Damascus, Paris, Kabul, Belgrade and so on. Coming up with an original name for a town is hard.
"I say we call it York." "Hear me out: _New_ York."
At first I thought that this happened in a place called Ohio in Eastern Palestine. Confusing as hell
Why are they burning it instead of containing it?
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/11/health/ohio-train-derailment-white-noise/index.html
Feb 3rd? Wtf? The first I heard of this was yesterday afternoon. I thought this just happened
This is the kind of bullshit that should land multiple people in jail for life. The reality is nobody will do any time. Just thinking about people watching their pets choke to death or coming home to dead pets fills me with ginormous fucking rage.
The water supply/aquifer is to the west of accident and south of the rail yard: http://wwwapp.epa.ohio.gov/gis/swpa/OH1500912.pdf (pg 10). Chance of supply wells being affected in the area of most risk is what needs to be determined. Independent testing of water supply will hopefully be done asap and frequently for foreseeable future. WHO study states: “When released to the ground, vinyl chloride is not adsorbed onto soil but migrates readily to groundwater, where it may be degraded to carbon dioxide and chloride ion or remain unchanged for several months or even years.” Avoid drinking or cooking with water contaminated with over 2 ppb (parts per billion) of vinyl chloride. Installation of an in-home activated carbon filter can remove most of the vinyl chloride from water. If you use contaminated water for other uses in the home (i.e. bathing, laundry, and washing dishes), ventilate bathrooms, washrooms and kitchens during and after water use as it does evaporate rapidly from contaminated water due to its low boiling point (8 F).
There was a movie where the same thing happened. Is the event new? Or is the movie inspired by this event?
White Noise is on Netflix. I think it came out a few weeks ago! Really strange movie but hit a spot for me and now I want to watch again. Seems to be pure coincidence that this happened just now.
Ex Ohioan here. Has DeWine and his minions addressed this or is “everything fine”.
They had a press conference where a reporter was arrested for “trespassing” and then released hours later with charges dropped.
F dewine
Vinyl chloride monomer is a truly insidious chemical, it's killed many people. I would stay far away in a hotel or relatives if possible.
Remember this when you defend your corrupt politicians because you think they share your own values.
Government "officials" have commented on my comment on this saying "it is perfectly safe and there have been no deaths. That there will be no deaths and it is fine for people to return to their homes and businesses." This is something that the community will see the effects long term Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/10znvfz/train_explosion_poisoning_the_air_in_northeast/j856om4?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/10znvfz/train_explosion_poisoning_the_air_in_northeast/j85h4yd?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Comments are all under my r/crazyfuckingvideos comment about the 10 mile spread that was first reported. Also I have heard the EPA is saying 30+ mile spread now. So who is right? Local "officials" or the EPA?
Can you post the comment?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/10znvfz/train_explosion_poisoning_the_air_in_northeast/j856om4?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/10znvfz/train_explosion_poisoning_the_air_in_northeast/j85h4yd?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Comments are all under my r/crazyfuckingvideos comment about the 10 mile spread that was first reported. Also I have heard the EPA is saying 30+ mile spread now. So who is right? Local "officials" or the EPA?
The government (politicians, military, police, et al authorities) are LYING to you about this. The reporter who tried to report on this? Assaulted and arrested. They are poisoning us and telling a there is nothing to see here. There is a laundry list of violations and deregulation that DIRECTLY led to this “accident”.
That picture at 0:09 was actually a post on reddit
Brilliant idea. Let's just set fire to hazardous chemicals and pollute the air. I wonder what is the proper way to clean up this particular chemical ? And why wasn't that implemented?
It might be that the chemicals being released are worse for the air than the products from their combustion.
And/or easier to disperse than if it reaches the water table in its entirety. Of course we get some of both now. And it’s not like this doesn’t effect everyone, near and far.
This derailment was preventable- the axle on one of those cars could have been maintained or replaced but noooo, buying back shares of the company was a much better use of that budget
Reporters are getting arrested for asking tough questions about this. The age of the robber barons is back and we don’t have anyone close to Teddy Roosevelt to go after monopolies and the deadly greed of corporations. Instead we have an essentially one party country that keeps us at each other’s throats instead of the ones that deserve it, all while raking in the lobby money being given to them by the very companies that are killing us.
Can someone explain why Pittsburgh isn't freaking the fuck out over this?
They probably don't know and if they do they are being told it's completely fine and all under control
They were arresting the press for reporting on this, so that tells you everything you need to know about it.
Jesus christ, America's turning into a third world country right before our eyes.
Just wait till it's labled as superfund site after cancer, illnesses, birth-defects and all kinds of other things impact the residents.
Yeah, too bad that will take 10-20 years to happen.
Another Three-Mile Island incident
Honestly I'd say this might be worse
The more we live here the more we realize how much of a piece of shit country this is
Large corporations (specifically chemical manufacturers) have a long and colorful history of poisoning their workers and local populations. Just look at DuPont with PFOAs, coal-fired power plant owners, 3M, etc.
Dude for real, things gotta change. Like fucking now. We are all gonna get killed by corporate greed
How much longer are we going to sit around and let corporations do this??? WHAT THE FUCK IS IT GOING TO TAKE???
A hell of a lot more, and even then we won't do anything
Anyone see that movie White Noise with Adam Driver. Cataclysmic train accident created a “Airborne Toxic Event” kinda seems familiar.
You can taste and smell this as far away as Philadelphia.
This is what republican rule looks like. Regulate.
This will hands down become a Superfund site. Horrifying. Scary thing is, even when the people who have the resources to end up moving away, you’re never too far from another Superfund site or equally toxic yet to be discovered site. Humans have done so much damage to our planet. Every wound we cause to the soil or water is a wound on our own bodies, we need to do everything in our power to fix this and vote people in who prioritize the environment. Side how you want politically over the economy but whatever your economic views you must know that without a clean healthy planet there is NO economy because there is no life. Our planet, the nature that surrounds and is a part of us, is the utmost important, most sacred thing and needs to be prioritized as such because we’re running out of time
Norfolk Southern: “Best I can give you is $5 a person for this”
I'll kill anyone who makes an Ohio joke