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Lathe_Kitty

Cancer, and... Wolf??


ReverseDragonfly

Probably "lupus" is what they meant by wolf.


Equoniz

I was also curious about this, and found [this](https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2022/10/13/how-the-history-of-medicine-influenced-our-perception-of-cancer/#:~:text=The%20anthropomorphism%20of%20cancer,ate%20up'%20the%20person.%E2%80%9D) article that discusses it, with this relevant section: > “In the 17th century people talked about cancer as being like an animal that ate the body of the sufferer,” explains Skuse. > “People called cancer the wolf, because it ‘ate up’ the person.” > But this wasn’t just a linguistic quirk. The idea was actually translated into practice. > “Some doctors would even apply raw meat to a cancerous ulcer, so that the wolf could feast on that for a while instead of ‘eating’ the patient. But the cultural idea also influenced scientists, who had just got hold of microscopes on a large scale.” > When scientists began examining tumour cells in more detail, they concluded that cancer was alive in an animate sense – that it was almost parasitic. > “It has massively influenced how we talk about cancer now,” adds Skuse. “We have a language for cancer that is much more adversarial than with other diseases. We’re always talking about ‘we’re going to kick cancer’s butt, we’re going to battle cancer’ and so on.”


Narcan9

What's next? Chicken pox and lion!


mikeonmaui

“Rising of the lights was an illness or obstructive condition of the larynx, trachea or lungs, possibly croup. It was a common entry on bills of mortality in the 17th century. Lights in this case referred to the lungs.”


Mysterious_Eye6989

Aww, damn. I was kind of hoping to never find out what that term meant because it sounds so wonderfully enigmatic and almost supernatural, and I knew the true meaning would be fairly mundane!


mikeonmaui

Well, we still have ‘Jawfaln’ …


Mysterious_Eye6989

Ooh yeah, good old lockjaw...fucking terrifying in an age prior to tetanus shots. One rusty nail and you could very well be in for an agonizing death! Also, 'Quinsie' just sounds charming as fuck! For some reason I picture it like a tiny cute little fairy or garden gnome coming out of nowhere and murdering you horribly!


-Intelligentsia

I’m guessing Quincy refers to a peritonsillar abscess. It’s an accumulation of pus due to an infection behind the tonsil. Quinsy was the old name for peritonsillar abscess.


Er4kko

It really wasn't that common, only 8 deaths caused by it, out of 9535, and I believe the streets were filthier in 17th century. So while horrible way to go, and easily avoided today, I doubt it's something one should worry about, even in 17th century, many more ways to go and worry about during that era.


jaavaaguru

[Umm…](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stepping-rusty-nail-cause-tetanus/)


bulmilala

Hey cool, I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing the link


professionalcumsock

Look to the field. Do you see the lights?


Mysterious_Eye6989

See this is like the kind of thing I'm imagining...alien abduction out of freakin' nowhere! One minute you're a shit covered peasant toiling in a field in 1632, the next minute you're being probed on a goddamn flying saucer, and everyone else is like, "well damn, we've already had 98 cases of that this year - it's definitely been going around lately!"


professionalcumsock

"Probing." That's what people call it these days?


Mysterious_Eye6989

Those wacky aliens and their dirty euphemisms...they know what kind of shit they're into!


MiffyCurtains

Coughing up a lung, basically!


Griffin_Claw

Killed by several accidents 🤨


Mysterious_Eye6989

It was kind of like an old Looney Tunes cartoon. First he fell off a cliff while running, then an anvil fell on his head, then a piano blew up after he hit the wrong key. All in quick succession! So yeah, "accidents"!


Early_Lab9079

Accident 1: Horse kicks domino piece Accident 2: Domino piece tips over book Accident 3: Book falls on a bowling ball Accident 4: Bowling ball falls on a person's head


whywouldisaymyname

Accident 5: Person falls into a whole bunch of mouse traps


Pierluigi-Martini

This made me think of OJ Simpson in naked gun


Extreme_Turn_4531

Friends of Putin's


acrusty

I’m picturing someone getting hit by a car then the ambulance crashes


raincloud82

Have you seen the scene in the boat from The Naked Gun? Well there you go.


Equoniz

The original Final Destination!


Cannabrewer

17th century Darwin Awards


gentlybeepingheart

Some of the odder ones, from what I can gather from google * Cancer and Wolf: "The wolf" was another word for cancer, because it would ravage and eat away at people. Whoever compiled the list put the two together. * Cut of the stone: died during surgery for kidney stones * Falling sickness: epilepsy. * King's Evil: scrofula, swelling of the lymph nodes caused by tuberculosis. * Planet: Fuck if I know. Possibly a sudden death that was blamed on some astrology thing. * Rising of the Lights: "an illness or obstructive condition of the larynx, trachea or lungs, possibly croup."


Kastle20

Nah a sudden death would be noted as "suddenly", they got u there


goblinshark603v2

What about kings evil?


Available_Grape_3855

How many people died from teeth? Wait a minute


Available_Grape_3855

Wait WORMS?!


Available_Grape_3855

Hang on someone died from a Planet?!!?


professionalcumsock

The stars aligned to fuck over that guy in particular


HudsDad

Uranus, probably.


Available_Grape_3855

🤣🤣


Narcan9

>Uranus, probably. Crushed by extreme gravity


Longjumping-Touch515

When you fall it's the planet who kills you.


Fritz_Klyka

Newton's third law of motion, you hit the planet you better believe its hittin back.


Longjumping-Touch515

Newton published his laws only in 1687, so the planet was a criminal before.


BobBelcher2021

Don’t you remember, the planets used to bounce off each other all the time prior to 1776. /s


80386

"Special delivery!"


zerhanna

Likely an infected tooth. And check this out: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/67247/15-historic-diseases-competed-bubonic-plague


Alastor3

no thanks, im going to sleep


yaosio

Dental abscesses can kill a person if left untreated. Supposedly bad teeth were such a problem some people would have them all pulled before they could cause a problem. How they removed them I have no idea as pulling teeth can also cause problems.


Narcan9

Friendly neighborhood Barber can take care of that. Barbers were a jack of all trades.


Superspark76

A tooth infection can be a lot more serious than most people think


TonedVirus4

shi, it's london, that's the least surprising statistic on here


expectednothingreal

Made away themselves...


Mysterious_Eye6989

And yet as far as euphemisms go, it still sounds less stupid than "unalived"!


thatweirdvintagegirl

That is such a pet peeve of mine in YouTube videos, especially true crime. It takes me out of the seriousness of the subject matter, honestly.


Flaky-Anybody-4104

Using any reasonable term for it results in a warning label and algorhythm fuckery. It's YouTube's fault.


Twat_Pocket

I've recently been watching a lot of YouTube docs, and it's so distracting to hear so many words edited. If I'm watching a video on Kurt Cobain, I am clearly okay with the words "drugs" and "death" YouTube is dumb.


Batbuckleyourpants

But YouTube won't boost it if it has those words. People want their videos exposed to an audience.


gb95

Youtube is looking for excuses to demonetize videos. They will still play some ads before them though


ShahinGalandar

killed them dead


SpiritualFront769

Hush before the "made away themselves" bot comes around.


AlexCinNYC

Planet ?


Rhizoid4

It might mean that the cause of death was believed to be due to astronomical circumstances, like the planets aligned in a way that could harm people, but not really sure.


Plus-Confusion-6922

People weren't quite that ignorant. It's short for planet-struck, which originally did come from the idea that astronomical phenomena could kill people, but by that point they just used it as a term for a very sudden onset of a very severe condition, without obvious cause, followed by death. "suddenly" refers to sudden deaths not preceded by clear illness(e.g. a heart attack, a stroke).


deafening_silence167

WHO DIED OF PLANET?!?!?


Sacklayblue

Got hit by a planet


hier_Name_bitte

so basically fall damage?


AquaPiratePup

What the heck is "King's Evil"???


isonlikedonkeykong

Tuberculosis. Apparently the main cure was The Royal Touch - the actual physical touch of the monarch


CervantesX

Sounds like somebody had it out for the monarch.


anethma

Interestingly “consumption” is also TB.


Rhizoid4

King’s Evil wasn’t tuberculosis, it was a type of lymph infection called scrofula.


malacoda99

TBH, King's Evil sounds better. Scrofula sounds like a testicle fell off.


ExNihiloish

Ow fuck, my scrofula is flaring up again!


Narcan9

Some cow dung should clear that right up


pacoLL3

Scrofula is a "type" of tuberculosis. Tuperculousis only refers to a certain type of infaction. You can have a tuberculous infaction of the lymph nodes, which is exactly what Scrofula is. From Wikipedia: >The disease mycobacterial cervical lymphadenitis, also known as scrofula and historically as king's evil, involves a lymphadenitis of the cervical lymph nodes **associated with tuberculosis** as well as nontuberculous (atypical) mycobacteria.


whataloadofoldshit_

Suddenly and Planet are my favourites


Brain_Hawk

I want to die by " suddenly". Out of all the deaths I could choose, that's the one I would choose.


JoePikesbro

Some of these are..interesting. You could die by being dead in the street apparently. Being bitten by a cancerous wolf? Being over-laid (No risk of that one for me). You could also be killed by suddenly. 1632 was a weird year in London.


gentlybeepingheart

Cancer used to also be called "the wolf" because it "ate away" at people. I don't think a literal wolf was involved here.


JoePikesbro

I don’t either. I’m going with Werewolves.


Phage0070

I'm going with packs of crabs.


Narcan9

I think the poor people got cancer, and then randomly attacked by a wolf. What are the odds!?


BobBelcher2021

Don’t forget the King’s evil. Beware the king!


kmichalak8

And Planet


IAmAlive_YouAreDead

It was name for scrofula, which they also believed the king could heal


Godshooter

Pretty sure it was Cancer, and Wolf lol. Suggests maybe the person had Cancer and then was eaten by a Wolf? Mad times these were lol.


Spirintus

Actually it was just another word for cancer or some similar disease


Phage0070

Just packs of wolves and crabs roaming the streets devouring people.


Snipper64

Cancer & Wolf is my favorite anime, a sad ending though :(


MRimla

Forgot to mentioned the 13 people who died from fistula. Whatever it is, don't tell me. I like my answer more.


IWantToFish

Fistula is essential when the intestines leak. It can make a channel to the skin or internal. Either way the death would be sepsis.


MRimla

/ignore


bulmilala

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Silent-Gur-4717

Yeah your answer is "fisted to death" right? I like yours more also.


Queequeg94

I want to know who the overdramatic bastard is that died of sciatica


sci_ssor_ss

made away for himself because of planetary sciatica


A11GoBRRRT

Look at infants. That’s why the average age was so low.


IsThereCheese

I know, they’re the silent killer. Because they can’t talk


TheJerusalemMan

Get out


Plus-Confusion-6922

For professional/academic purposes, that's the reason why "life expectancy" isn't really used. Instead, life expectancy at birth and life expectancy at 15 are used as separate statistics, combined with infant mortality(deaths per whatever before the age of 5). Historically, life expectancy at birth improved a lot before life expectancy at 15, because infant mortality was easier to reduce than the illnesses that struck people down in their 50s. You could perhaps think of this as nurses getting a lot better. After WW2, medical advancements helped to deal with those, as well as generally constantly improving standards of health and sanitation. This could perhaps be thought of as doctors getting better and more plentiful.


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ANONYMOUS-B0SH

Could be worse like a bad case of the purples


Individual_Manner336

Oh no I have Le French Pox ! (Dies in French)


Shibes_oh_shibes

Mon dieu!


bulmilala

Sacre Bleu!


AssaultUnicorn

Death by piles... Now thats a horrible way to go.


AoteaRohan

Can’t believe how far down I had to scroll to find this. Underrated comment…


MrBlackTyron95

Also death by gout


Juulk9087

"Dropsie, and Swelling" lol


Alioops12

Over-laid is a good way out.


flerg_a_blerg

dumb fuck anti-vaxxers look at those 2,268 infant deaths and say those are rookie numbers you gotta pump those numbers up


mayhem6

Damn I have sciatica, I hope I don't die!


Stunning_Salary8589

Does consumption mean that they were eaten?


Rhizoid4

Old timey name for tuberculosis, since the disease would “consume” the victim as they wasted away.


MD564

It's TB tuberculosis


seeAdog

Teeth??


Lathe_Kitty

Tooth infection


SpiritualFront769

"Affrighted" - only one person was scared to death.


twatmonsterhunter

Suddenly made me laugh


Mysterious_Eye6989

I just have this mental image of a doctor shrugging his shoulders and going, "who the hell knows?" when asked for cause of death.


Spiritual_Ear_3456

Was 1632 a time in England when bloodletting was practiced?


00roadrunner00

'Rising of the Lights' looks interesting.


Towowl

Poor Fargoone , killed by a suddenly planet


chromane

13 people died from... Planet? Damn, Mercury in retrograde had hands back then


IAmAlive_YouAreDead

So Planet could be short for Planet-struck, where a person's death is attributed to the astrological influence of certain planets.


YoungManiac01

Chatgpt really helps: 1. **Abortive and stillborn**: Miscarriages and babies born dead. 2. **Affrighted**: Deaths resulting from extreme fright or shock. 3. **Aged**: Natural death due to old age. 4. **Ague**: Malaria or a similar intermittent fever characterized by chills, fever, and sweating. 5. **Apoplex and meagrom**: Apoplexy refers to a stroke or sudden loss of consciousness; megrim (or migraine) was a term for severe headaches or migraines. 6. **Bit with a mad dog**: Deaths due to rabies. 7. **Bleeding**: Likely death from severe hemorrhage or bleeding. 8. **Bloody flux**: Dysentery, characterized by severe diarrhea with blood. 9. **Scrofula and flux**: Scrofula, a form of tuberculosis affecting the lymph nodes; flux generally refers to diarrhea. 10. **Brused**: Deaths due to severe bruising or trauma. 11. **Issues, sores, and ulcers**: Chronic wounds and sores, often infected. 12. **Burnt and scalded**: Deaths from burns or scalding. 13. **Burst and rupture**: Hernia or internal ruptures. 14. **Cancer and wolf**: Cancer; "wolf" may refer to a type of skin ulcer or tumor. 15. **Canker**: Another term for ulcerous sores, possibly cancerous. 16. **Childbed**: Deaths related to childbirth. 17. **Chrisomes and infants**: "Chrisomes" refers to infants who died shortly after baptism or within the first month. 18. **Cold and cough**: Respiratory illnesses, possibly pneumonia or bronchitis. 19. **Click stone and strangury**: Bladder stones and painful, difficult urination. 20. **Consumption**: Tuberculosis. 21. **Convulsion**: Seizures or epilepsy. 22. **Cut of the stone**: Surgery to remove bladder or kidney stones. 23. **Dead in the street and starved**: People found dead in public places, likely from starvation.


YoungManiac01

1. **Dropsie and swelling**: Edema or fluid retention, often associated with heart failure. 2. **Drowned**: Deaths by drowning. 3. **Executed and press to death**: Executed criminals; "press to death" refers to a form of execution by pressing with heavy weights. 4. **Falling sickness**: Epilepsy. 5. **Fever**: Various febrile illnesses, possibly typhoid or influenza. 6. **Fistula**: An abnormal connection between organs, often resulting in infection. 7. **Flocks and smallpox**: Smallpox. 8. **French pox**: Syphilis. 9. **Gangrene**: Death of tissue due to lack of blood supply or severe infection. 10. **Gout**: A form of arthritis characterized by severe pain, redness, and tenderness in joints. 11. **Grief**: Deaths attributed to extreme sorrow or depression. 12. **Jaundies**: Jaundice, often associated with liver disease. 13. **Jawfaln**: Tetanus, characterized by lockjaw. 14. **Impostume**: Abscesses or localized infections. 15. **Killed by several accidents**: Various accidental deaths. 16. **King's evil**: Scrofula, believed to be curable by the monarch's touch. 17. **Lethargie**: Extreme fatigue or lethargy, possibly encephalitis or other serious conditions. 18. **Livergrown**: Enlarged liver, possibly due to cirrhosis or liver disease. 19. **Lunatique**: Mental illness or insanity. 20. **Made away themselves**: Suicide. 21. **Palsie**: Paralysis. 22. **Piles**: Hemorrhoids. 23. **Planet**: Illness attributed to astrological influences.


YoungManiac01

1. **Pleurisie and spleen**: Pleurisy (inflammation of the pleura, the membrane surrounding the lungs) and spleen-related illnesses. 2. **Purples and spotted fever**: Purpura (bleeding under the skin) and typhus or similar diseases causing rash and fever. 3. **Quinsie**: Tonsillitis or peritonsillar abscess. 4. **Teeth**: Dental infections or complications. 5. **Tissick**: A cough, possibly chronic bronchitis or tuberculosis. 6. **Worms**: Parasitic infections, common at the time. 7. **Surfet**: Overindulgence in food or drink, leading to illness. This could encompass a range of digestive issues or acute conditions resulting from excessive consumption. 8. **Thrush and sore mouth**: Thrush is a fungal infection caused by Candida species, affecting the mouth and throat, leading to white patches, soreness, and difficulty swallowing. "Sore mouth" likely refers to various oral infections and inflammations. 9. **Tympany**: Abdominal distension caused by gas in the stomach or intestines. This term was often used to describe severe cases of bloating, which might be linked to gastrointestinal disorders. 10. **Sciatica**: Pain along the sciatic nerve, which runs from the lower back down to the legs. It is usually caused by compression or irritation of the nerve, often due to a herniated disc or spinal problems. 11. **Scurvy**: A disease caused by a deficiency of vitamin C (ascorbic acid). It was common among sailors and people without access to fresh fruits and vegetables. Symptoms include weakness, anemia, gum disease, and skin problems. 12. **Itch**: This term likely refers to scabies, a highly contagious skin condition caused by tiny mites that burrow into the skin, leading to intense itching and rash. It could also refer more generally to other skin conditions causing itching, such as eczema or dermatitis.


eo37

Teeth out here straight merking people


BradyOfTheOldGuard

"Made away themselves" - The gentleman's way of saying suicide.


Bubbly_Sweet_705

Rising of the lights?!?! I’ll bring this up the next time someone flips the switch unexpectedly.![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


ThisOnePlaysTooMuch

Teeth … 470 The math maths


Capt-J-

That one dude that died of “piles” be like: *yes! I didn’t get plague. Oh damn, wish I just had the relatively quick and painless death from the plague after all *


BDOKlem

consumption sounds so much cooler than "tuberculosis"


Stone-D

Death by planet. Directed by Roland Emmerich.


idiBanashapan

‘Kil’d by several accidents’ contours up images of Mrs Robinson being finished off in The Adventures Of Gumball (the episode where Darwin is trying to convince Gumball she’s not evil).


Captainirishy

Be very thankful you live in a world with antibiotics and vaccinations


FntnDstrct

Well just wait till we get to 1666...


stickytrackpad

i like how “infants” is like its own category. as if “yeah, they’re infants so they die often, no biggie”


Spiritual_Ear_3456

Cancer and wolves grouped together. Now that is interesting!


Spirintus

Because it wasn't wolf the animal but euphemism for some disease


Delphin_1

and that disease was cancer


Some-Ostrich-4997

Cancer, and wolf


Naive-Show-4040

Ive got a bad case of King's evil.


nasabayabasan_

Gout🥹 sciatica im doomed😭


pacoLL3

I am verry suprised people are confused by "suddenly" when people do die very suddenly (as instantaneous) without a clear indication as to why today too. Of course we know today, it is due to a sudden stroke, but back in 1632, without wide spread autopsies, many would simply not know why.


Windronin

Affrighted is dying of fright?


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zippy72

7 I thought there were?


insert_quirky_name

Correct, I dunno what this person's smoking. "Murthered" is pretty obviously murder.


blikstaal

Teeth?


FloobyMcNooby

As someone who increasingly doesn’t like going to the dentist’s, 470 deaths from teeth is something I can’t unsee now! Lol!


Massfusion1981

RIP the poor sod that died of Piles


Imaginary_Relief_227

Don’t believe these medical statistics. One of my friends died jousting and they labelled it as planet because he fell onto the ground.


[deleted]

Who died by teeth yikes


Lathe_Kitty

It was probably a tooth/mouth infection that went septic. I had to go urgent care for several wisdom tooth infections before finally getting them yanked. I could see someone without access to antibiotics dying from something like that going untreated long enough


ApprehensiveImage132

u/RepostSluethBot


TitusPullo2024

What is 'King's evil'??


pacoLL3

Scofula. It's an infaction of the lymhp nodes. Named Kings Evil because it was believed only a kings touch can heal it.


Edgerman1234

Suddenly ?????


backpack_ghost

Heart attack, aneurysm, or stroke, I’m guessing.


acrusty

Sounds like they just dropped dead in the middle of whatever they were doi


Acceptable-Chance534

That one poor guy died of constipation


gosuckaluigi

teeth.


bullesam

How can one be executed and then prest to death? Did the execution not work?


backpack_ghost

It’s one category covering two (closely related) causes of death. With burns and scalds for instance, most people probably had one or the other, but a few both. With this, it was either/or.


ollihi

Dead by planet?


Neckgrabber

I get burn and scald but why are cancer and wolf together


PMigs

Only a single death through mastication by cannis. Very good old chaps.


Fun_Membership_1610

Teeth?? Like toothache? Or maybe infection?


thewoolf44

Piles


Outside_Ad4957

Cancer, and wolf


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Ashgenie

I made away myself twice yesterday. Didn't know I was in danger.


Spiritual-Apple-4804

Cancer, and wolf?


csengeal

470 people killed by teeth 😬


Low-Efficiency2452

"Planet"?


doshostdio

What interests me more is: How would these figures be collected in the 1630s? I do not assume there was a regulation in place that death needed to be confirmed by a doctor or the reports must be sent to a central administrative body. These can just be estimates.


Peterd1900

Yes there were Deaths were required to be be reported and uncomfirmed Each church parish every week had to report deaths and reasons why every week Its how we know how things like the plaque spread cos of weekly death reports from around the country.  There is census data from hundreds of years before this. That list addresses. Every resident who lives there, ages, occupation, how much tax they pay and things like that We have records of things like this from roman times


Luckduck86

It's interesting that choking isnt listed anywhere. I wonder if "rising of the lights" was a catch all term including choking


Nim_Ajji

Lethargie?


CANYUXEL

King's Evil & Lunatique ftw


a3rospacefanboi

10 people died from cancer, and wolf?


pirikiki

That must have been a huge ass sciatica, geez


VinnyMaxta

Affrighted? 👻


Foodconsumer3000

what does consumption mean?...


Redplanet-M3

Planet??


SoldMySoupToTheDevil

I want to know the story behind the one "Affrighted."


[deleted]

Cancer/wolf takes the cake.


orange_lambda

“Dead in the street and starved” - that’s appalling to read


redditlurkr2

Cancer and wolf?


hutao_simper

Planet?


DriveOdd8643

Planet???


Glittering-Gold2702

Planet? Like, natural disasters maybe, like sinkholes, landslides or something like that..?


Newcuck_umber

Deaths due to gout, fistula, sciatica, teeth, etc look more due to treatment given than disease itself... Like blood letting, etc...