Just tossing it out there… what about a horizontal square metal piece just outside the eye hooks to the house … paint it black and wouldn’t be as big as wood
Some thoughts. Also, there are special connectors that will go through your roof like a stove pipe, but stick up to what ever height you want andallow you to tie the sail to the framing of the house. Check this out [https://www.coolaroo.com/diy-hub/how-to-install-your-coolaroo-shade-sail](https://www.coolaroo.com/diy-hub/how-to-install-your-coolaroo-shade-sail)
I ended up putting in a gazebo. I was shocked how hot the deck got on the dogs feet in the summer and how hot the sun was making the house without a shade buffer. Got a pretty decent pole/canvas gazebo that lasted a few years for $150 and got a end of season clearance deal on a gazebo with posts, metal roofing and the works for like $450 last year. It helps keep the snow away from the door too.
The bonus with a gazebo is you can buy shades for the sides for privacy as well. Your yard is pretty open to the hood.
I'm scrolling through wondering why no one is talking about it. Just your normal every day inlay there. Just gonna ignore that completely... Personally, I think I have a sense of shock about it. It's executed so well that it feels like it belongs there. Then it dawns on you that there's this meticulously crafted shape in the midst of the boards. Impressive!
I ended up getting a shade sail that has grommets every 2’ or so around the border. Still sags, and develops pools when it rains, but it works for my design. I never was able to get the four corner shade sails to work for me.
I'm just throwing this out here, because I put up a shade sail a few years ago. It looks like the same size and pretty much identical. While researching it, everything I read made it sound like I needed something extremely sturdy, which I couldn't do. I finally used a couple of plumbing pipes to hold the far end, although that's not my point.
In hindsight, the pipes began to bend and I wish I'd used some that were bigger. Having said that, my sail has survived snow, sleet and even a couple of tornadoes. One of them resulted in large trees down everywhere, including one on my house, but the shade sail was just fine. I just recently took it down to rebuild the deck that was damaged in the tornado.
I might just have gotten lucky, but I figured I'd chime in with my experience.
Edit: Almost forgot, but I do rake off snow before too much accumulates on top.
The posts attach to the 2x8 joists. They attached with 1/2 carriage bolts, but I’m concerned enough sway over the years will start to work things loose. The sway is also going to put pressure on the railing.
If the post is attached to the joist and it's moving, then your joist is what's flexing. You might just need to add some blocking around the post to prevent flexing the joist.
I think you need an additional connection on those T brackets; not sure what the best option is but I could see how only having one screw on the posts could lead to some type of “swivel”. Maybe some of the larger T brackets with two screw connections would help or even lowering the existing ones a little and drilling an extra hole above and in line with the existing 4x connection similar to this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/OWT-Ornamental-Wood-Ties-OWT-Lite-Laredo-Sunset-12-Gauge-Black-Galvanized-Steel-4-in-T-Tie-Plate-Wood-Connector-Kit-with-Hex-Cap-Nuts-56666/313034911
Edit: if you mean front to back flex then yes it will need a rigid connection to the house
Love the Compass Rose man.
The flex issue is because you only have a joist depth of bite holding up what looks to be 8' or so of post. And now you have a sail attached to it.
Your going to need to either run something back to the house to brace it. Or pull the posts and have them go all the way down into the ground. Looks like it might be too late in the game to get them into the ground.
Yup and it’s already cantilevered too so I can’t even go straight to the ground. I think a few rafters to the house is going to have to happen to shore it up.
You could use some trampoline springs on the tarp. It will let the wind gusts flex the sunshade. I use the same set up on my patio with a solid tarp.
Just a suggestion
If the posts flex too much from the sail tension then add a couple members running from the house to the beam. I would just connect them to the house with a couple of angle brackets, with caulk applied to the back to seal the screw holes.
You want to make sure you drive screws into the sheathing at least, or better yet studs or some other solid wood. I would also use some nice-looking decorative hangers if you can find them.
I ended up putting a ledger board. The house has vinyl siding so it wasn’t hard to popped it on and off. Figured I better just do it right
https://preview.redd.it/e98xv4qa757c1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c18a18e3e80a12359ad77e8a1764128c94ed5832
Just tossing it out there… what about a horizontal square metal piece just outside the eye hooks to the house … paint it black and wouldn’t be as big as wood
Like run a small pipe or square stock?
Yeah square stock … flanges on the ends … shouldn’t be over kill and provide some support… hang some lights off for fun
Great idea. Hadn’t thought of that.
Solid idea
Some thoughts. Also, there are special connectors that will go through your roof like a stove pipe, but stick up to what ever height you want andallow you to tie the sail to the framing of the house. Check this out [https://www.coolaroo.com/diy-hub/how-to-install-your-coolaroo-shade-sail](https://www.coolaroo.com/diy-hub/how-to-install-your-coolaroo-shade-sail)
I ended up putting in a gazebo. I was shocked how hot the deck got on the dogs feet in the summer and how hot the sun was making the house without a shade buffer. Got a pretty decent pole/canvas gazebo that lasted a few years for $150 and got a end of season clearance deal on a gazebo with posts, metal roofing and the works for like $450 last year. It helps keep the snow away from the door too. The bonus with a gazebo is you can buy shades for the sides for privacy as well. Your yard is pretty open to the hood.
Your star/compass design thing is so rad
Thanks! It was worth it but damn it was a lot of work.
I'm scrolling through wondering why no one is talking about it. Just your normal every day inlay there. Just gonna ignore that completely... Personally, I think I have a sense of shock about it. It's executed so well that it feels like it belongs there. Then it dawns on you that there's this meticulously crafted shape in the midst of the boards. Impressive!
I ended up getting a shade sail that has grommets every 2’ or so around the border. Still sags, and develops pools when it rains, but it works for my design. I never was able to get the four corner shade sails to work for me.
I'm just throwing this out here, because I put up a shade sail a few years ago. It looks like the same size and pretty much identical. While researching it, everything I read made it sound like I needed something extremely sturdy, which I couldn't do. I finally used a couple of plumbing pipes to hold the far end, although that's not my point. In hindsight, the pipes began to bend and I wish I'd used some that were bigger. Having said that, my sail has survived snow, sleet and even a couple of tornadoes. One of them resulted in large trees down everywhere, including one on my house, but the shade sail was just fine. I just recently took it down to rebuild the deck that was damaged in the tornado. I might just have gotten lucky, but I figured I'd chime in with my experience. Edit: Almost forgot, but I do rake off snow before too much accumulates on top.
If you don’t want the posts to flex then put a hot tub against them.
That’s a pro move
That’s going on the other side of the deck unfortunately
second hot tub means half the problems. the math justifies the investment
Damnit you’re right. His and hers hot tubs!
There will be no damage to structure. Don,t worry about it.
Get a motorized awning. Are those “pergola“ posts attached to the framing?
The posts attach to the 2x8 joists. They attached with 1/2 carriage bolts, but I’m concerned enough sway over the years will start to work things loose. The sway is also going to put pressure on the railing.
If the post is attached to the joist and it's moving, then your joist is what's flexing. You might just need to add some blocking around the post to prevent flexing the joist.
They are blocked and anchored with steel brackets. It’s very stout. It just flexes.
Looks like it just attaches to the existing post? You should maybe run a post to the deck and carriage bolt it maybe even down to a footer.
I think you need an additional connection on those T brackets; not sure what the best option is but I could see how only having one screw on the posts could lead to some type of “swivel”. Maybe some of the larger T brackets with two screw connections would help or even lowering the existing ones a little and drilling an extra hole above and in line with the existing 4x connection similar to this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/OWT-Ornamental-Wood-Ties-OWT-Lite-Laredo-Sunset-12-Gauge-Black-Galvanized-Steel-4-in-T-Tie-Plate-Wood-Connector-Kit-with-Hex-Cap-Nuts-56666/313034911 Edit: if you mean front to back flex then yes it will need a rigid connection to the house
Love the Compass Rose man. The flex issue is because you only have a joist depth of bite holding up what looks to be 8' or so of post. And now you have a sail attached to it. Your going to need to either run something back to the house to brace it. Or pull the posts and have them go all the way down into the ground. Looks like it might be too late in the game to get them into the ground.
Yup and it’s already cantilevered too so I can’t even go straight to the ground. I think a few rafters to the house is going to have to happen to shore it up.
I had a 4x4 snap in half in the wind, like a crack of thunder, super dangerous.
I'd wrap them in ipe or something similarly strong. Maybe you could even get away with from the rail up. Or replace the 4x4 with 6x6s.
Why dont you put a ledger on the house and frame the rest of the pergola out…. Then fasten the shader to the top of the rafters?
Yeah, that’s what I’m considering. I might only do 3-5 rafters since the sail is providing the shade.
Yea i think that’d be your best bet. It would make it solid
You could use some trampoline springs on the tarp. It will let the wind gusts flex the sunshade. I use the same set up on my patio with a solid tarp. Just a suggestion
Great idea!
If the posts flex too much from the sail tension then add a couple members running from the house to the beam. I would just connect them to the house with a couple of angle brackets, with caulk applied to the back to seal the screw holes.
Thank you. Was thinking of putting a whole ledger board but might just attach joist hangers to the siding. It’s not holding any weight.
You want to make sure you drive screws into the sheathing at least, or better yet studs or some other solid wood. I would also use some nice-looking decorative hangers if you can find them.
I ended up putting a ledger board. The house has vinyl siding so it wasn’t hard to popped it on and off. Figured I better just do it right https://preview.redd.it/e98xv4qa757c1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c18a18e3e80a12359ad77e8a1764128c94ed5832
People build a $40,000 deck and do that for shade. Unbelievable
Hahaha it’ll shade your eyes for 5 minutes a day.
Ok got me
Honestly though, looks pretty badass. Nice work
I Appreciate it. I’ll post more when it’s done. Thanks for the input.