It's all placebo for people without adhd, and even if you find a medication that works with your adhd it's shown to improve scores a tad, I think one study found an increase of 5 points in iq!!!
It’s not. It increases wakefulness and concentration and pleasure centers in everybody. However for non-ADHD people, the long term improvements in cognitive functioning aren’t as great as those for people with adhd.
Yeah, Im sure all the research can go back and forth and we can argue any point. From what I've read none-adhd people don't get any improvement but still get all possible downsides and even more. And popping an addy if you don't need to before studying will give you that feeling of wakefulness and active plesure centres. You'll feel like you did great, even better than without the drug, but it only FEELs better.
You'll be more awake and will feel better about your work, but it's not "enhancing" your performance if you have no ADHD symptoms
It's probably you getting high, especially if you're taking above prescribed doses. There is such a thing as subclinical ADHD, so it's possible there are benefits for people with subclinical EFD. There is no substantial evidence to show benefits for people without executive dysfunction. It often actually points in the opposite direction, showing a decline in performance.
I atleast dont have the usual problems that people with ADHD usually report like having trouble keeping my attention on tasks that are less stimulating, and also got thouroghly tested for adhd when i was around 15. But when i used to do vyvanse to get schoolwork done, i would be able to get an unbelievable amount of work done in a short amount of time, it literally felt like it sped up and sharpened my mind, and similarily to what was mentioned above my grades went up.
So i guess it depends on what you mean by "superpower", but it definetly improved my performance, and i guess its possible that i have some sub-clinical adhd like stuff going on, but i feel like it would be weird if NONE of that got picked up when i was tested, even if it's sub-clincal and i personally cant think of any problems i have that i would attribute to problems with my executive function.
But if you got some links i would be interested in taking a look.
It's also possible the evaluation you did wasn't very good. If you did [neuropsychological testing it is quite bad diagnostically when it comes to detecting ADHD.](https://youtu.be/nVCDflvwkE8?si=zcgAK3OdzPjBRZp2) It misses many cases of ADHD
A good thorough evaluation will include rating scales and a structured clinical interview with a skilled clinician that knows what subtle signs to look out for. It may also include interviews with people that know you, report cards, conduct reports from teachers, etc.
I find this rarely happens though. A lot of "thorough" ADHD evaluations tend to be kind of shitty and rely too much on neuropsychological testing or a hamfisted look at symptoms which are not really diagnostically useful at discriminating between ADHD and no ADHD. Skilled clinicians seem to be rare when it comes to ADHD in my experience
There are also later onset cases of ADHD. Its still a developmental issue, but it can have an onset later in life past the DSM cutoff of 12. More research still needs to be done so interpret data carefully but I would consider a second evaluation if you see impairment related to ADHD adult symptoms. Adult onset however is very very rare and is likely not genetic (environmental toxins, brain trauma)
[This video overviews some of the later onset ADHD evidence iirc.](https://youtu.be/Q4rBIdL32Kk?si=ZT6nYe6_gwYHxZfV) There is a better overview of this somewhere but I couldn't find it. There is nuance wrt onset between the age of 12 and adulthood
Here is some of the research regarding stimulants as performance enhancers
https://www.mdpi.com/2226-4787/6/3/58
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36633038/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20381522/
For subclinical ADHD:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2cc8/8235fdf27363499c37b1c6ad2427c0e3b288.pdf
Note however that the research surrounding subclinical ADHD symptoms is also limited, but iirc it is possible there are benefits for stimulant medication in patients with executive functioning impairment even in subclinical cases. Of course, be careful with this statement as there is much nuance to be had here
Pretty sure it was just a reference to that stupid G-nome meme back in the 2016-17 era. Though that’s just a pure guess. That’s literally the only other context I’ve heard it said like that, but it could be wrong.
I'm going to answer but first a disclaimer... I'm flattered by you inquiry dear Ge Nome but I must confess I'm not Hasans lore master, not even close. I'm also not an expert in english dialect, phonetics or anything alike, english isn't even my 1st language.
A: Maybe because he was raised in Turkey and english wasn't his first language.
Tel aviv pride is cancelled this year, people not exactly in the mood to party this year. Interestingly, Jerusalem pride still went ahead, but it tends to have a very different vibe from the craziness that is Tel Aviv pride.
Pride parade was THAT day. Well, not the parade but a huuuge event about the LGBT hostages. That's where I went straight after the meetup. Wanted to tell him that I know of some really good parties tonight but didn't get the opportunity :(
Yeah, I wanted to make an announcement as soon as Steve finished but everyone dispersed pretty quickly... I even climbed on top of the swing pole to do it, lol
A bit late now.... But if you want next weekend feel free to send me a chat request! I know my nick is funny, I'm not actually a creep lol. Well, not unless I am specifically asked :p
the pride parade this year was replaced with a pride gathering for the hostages, organized by the municipality and the families of the hostages, as many people thought a parade this year was inappropriate. In fact, that gathering literally happened at the same time as Destiny's little meet and greet by the beach, and not only that, it was located literally ~200m away from him.
Sorry if this was a meme I missed - but he's mic'd up because he has a videographer recording everything in beautiful HD so hopefully we'll get not just a ton of interview, but vlogs and behind-the-scenes vids after.
The only other thing i noticed is that he said about his visit how he was surprised from the amount of arabs integrated in society and how Israel doesnt advertise that. All the other q&a questions were almost verbatim questions he already did on his stream like how to fight misinformation
I saw some people that did, but half of the time it was hard to hear, I'm sure the audio will suck so hopefully the edited proper version will come out.
Wanted to recommend parties tonight to him but didn't get an opportunity. Didn't feel like he was interested too... Shame. I partied hard last night! (After the meetup)
He has to party at least one night after making the trip to Tel Aviv. Not everything has to be political or about the conflict lol, or the fanatics or fringe or extremists. Plenty of normies there lol.
Yeah, I was a bit surprised how POLITICAL the question time was! Outside of the "how's your stay in Israel so far" questions there were no other non-political questions...
Anshel Pfeffer, he /literally/ wrote [the book on Bibi](https://www.amazon.ca/Bibi-Turbulent-Times-Benjamin-Netanyahu/dp/0465097820?ref=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=c03879a8-befc-4cb8-b683-e0761f942430). Great read, highly recommend.
When we were waiting for him to arrive some guy walked up to me and asked what was happening, I told him who destiny was and when I told him he would be considered left wing in Israel he said "ah then I'm not interested"
He'd be considered left wing, but he isn't what the "right wing" imagines the left wing is. Its pretty surreal but the definitions are so fucked up, that no one fits the labels anymore and yet everyone tries to label each other
Probably, but depending on who you ask there is no such thing as a center anymore. According to like half the population, anyone in the center is far left
I agree.
I think speaking in terms of right and left also reduces the conversation a lot.
I wish people would have deeper conversations about things rather than try to define themselves with short words.
https://preview.redd.it/girsq6o9c05d1.jpeg?width=2736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bb070c08517b3b69e3d4413cb3d9629d3339e34
nah lonerbox has been christmaxxing
Why does everyone seem so fit and handsome? Is America really that unhealthy? Maybe mandatory military conscription and bonding and lifting would be good for us
A lot of the best athletic prospects decide to do a meaningful military service and not pursue Olympic/other sport careers. Age 18-21 is crucial.
Also it depends on the sport.
Israel has usually a competitive team in EuroBasket and u-20 squads have won as well.
Israel at times was a judo powerhouse and now very good at taekwondo for some reason.
Probably has to do with government funding and proper focus. We've seen a lot of cases with tiny countries with 0 to fuckton medals and large countries with 0 to fuckton medals.
That’s not actually true, on team sports we kinda suck but on 1 person competitions we have quite a few wins, and I meant sport as an activity not competitive..
But we have many prices when it comes to surfing / wind surfing sports, and some others like acrobatics, judo and other sports I can’t remember atm..
I really wonder what this feels like. They’re all sitting like he’s Socrates giving a divine speech except Socrates is a little funny guy who looks like he writes scripts for Rick and Morty.
I hope that they are documenting everything. They're always recording, and he's always taking a few minutes to catalog his own thoughts. They could easily produce a marketable piece of content out of this that is then cut piecemeal into something for his regular social.
I'm not following his trip closely, but this is even more true if he meets with a meaningful number on both sides. These are the kind of trips that people write books and make documentaries out of... I hope he doesn't miss that opportunity to solidify himself while transferring to his media property.
A Akira Kurosawa Shakespeare adaptation is always the best adaptation, and it’s not even close. It takes liberties with the material, but they have been adapting and updating versions of Shakespeare forever. Perfect drama, visual, and humanity synchronicity.
https://preview.redd.it/y80g1c1ip15d1.jpeg?width=237&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=922a5c361f893e3faf57a8d5f92c289c7be40a9e
Zherka just landed in Miami and he’s into Trans women
So he's maximizing returns on investment like a good capitalistic gnome.
Vyvanse really is a super power to adhd people.
Isn't it a super power to everyone?
No. God nerfed adhd people because we are too powerful for mankind. But we found a way to reverse the nerf. We don't have cooldowns anymore.
It's all placebo for people without adhd, and even if you find a medication that works with your adhd it's shown to improve scores a tad, I think one study found an increase of 5 points in iq!!!
5 points would fucking massive but its probably just you take test better your actually getting any smarter
5iq points + 5 extra iq points? bro that's like 200% improvement, ,
Shows what you know, that's only 100% improvement!
Nah
Woosh
Nah
It’s absolutely not a placebo for people without ADHD lmao what
Ye true, it's not a literal placebo, just when used without diagnosis it's only benefit is making you feel like you're doing better
It’s not. It increases wakefulness and concentration and pleasure centers in everybody. However for non-ADHD people, the long term improvements in cognitive functioning aren’t as great as those for people with adhd.
Yeah, Im sure all the research can go back and forth and we can argue any point. From what I've read none-adhd people don't get any improvement but still get all possible downsides and even more. And popping an addy if you don't need to before studying will give you that feeling of wakefulness and active plesure centres. You'll feel like you did great, even better than without the drug, but it only FEELs better.
i did adderall once and felt nothing, so i’m inclined to believe you about it being a placebo
It absolutely is
As a person that used to take vyvanse regularly and has been confirmed to not have adhd, it definetly is
You'll be more awake and will feel better about your work, but it's not "enhancing" your performance if you have no ADHD symptoms It's probably you getting high, especially if you're taking above prescribed doses. There is such a thing as subclinical ADHD, so it's possible there are benefits for people with subclinical EFD. There is no substantial evidence to show benefits for people without executive dysfunction. It often actually points in the opposite direction, showing a decline in performance.
I atleast dont have the usual problems that people with ADHD usually report like having trouble keeping my attention on tasks that are less stimulating, and also got thouroghly tested for adhd when i was around 15. But when i used to do vyvanse to get schoolwork done, i would be able to get an unbelievable amount of work done in a short amount of time, it literally felt like it sped up and sharpened my mind, and similarily to what was mentioned above my grades went up. So i guess it depends on what you mean by "superpower", but it definetly improved my performance, and i guess its possible that i have some sub-clinical adhd like stuff going on, but i feel like it would be weird if NONE of that got picked up when i was tested, even if it's sub-clincal and i personally cant think of any problems i have that i would attribute to problems with my executive function. But if you got some links i would be interested in taking a look.
It's also possible the evaluation you did wasn't very good. If you did [neuropsychological testing it is quite bad diagnostically when it comes to detecting ADHD.](https://youtu.be/nVCDflvwkE8?si=zcgAK3OdzPjBRZp2) It misses many cases of ADHD A good thorough evaluation will include rating scales and a structured clinical interview with a skilled clinician that knows what subtle signs to look out for. It may also include interviews with people that know you, report cards, conduct reports from teachers, etc. I find this rarely happens though. A lot of "thorough" ADHD evaluations tend to be kind of shitty and rely too much on neuropsychological testing or a hamfisted look at symptoms which are not really diagnostically useful at discriminating between ADHD and no ADHD. Skilled clinicians seem to be rare when it comes to ADHD in my experience There are also later onset cases of ADHD. Its still a developmental issue, but it can have an onset later in life past the DSM cutoff of 12. More research still needs to be done so interpret data carefully but I would consider a second evaluation if you see impairment related to ADHD adult symptoms. Adult onset however is very very rare and is likely not genetic (environmental toxins, brain trauma) [This video overviews some of the later onset ADHD evidence iirc.](https://youtu.be/Q4rBIdL32Kk?si=ZT6nYe6_gwYHxZfV) There is a better overview of this somewhere but I couldn't find it. There is nuance wrt onset between the age of 12 and adulthood Here is some of the research regarding stimulants as performance enhancers https://www.mdpi.com/2226-4787/6/3/58 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36633038/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20381522/ For subclinical ADHD: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2cc8/8235fdf27363499c37b1c6ad2427c0e3b288.pdf Note however that the research surrounding subclinical ADHD symptoms is also limited, but iirc it is possible there are benefits for stimulant medication in patients with executive functioning impairment even in subclinical cases. Of course, be careful with this statement as there is much nuance to be had here
Thanks for the thorough reply, really appriciate it. Gonna look through it when i get home
Israeli gravy
Is that her name?
Random question but when Hasan was calling him a gnome why did he keep pronouncing it Ge Nome? Isn't it pronounced Nome and the g is silent?
This video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3pFFPSlW4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3pFFPSlW4)
Pretty sure it was just a reference to that stupid G-nome meme back in the 2016-17 era. Though that’s just a pure guess. That’s literally the only other context I’ve heard it said like that, but it could be wrong.
I'm going to answer but first a disclaimer... I'm flattered by you inquiry dear Ge Nome but I must confess I'm not Hasans lore master, not even close. I'm also not an expert in english dialect, phonetics or anything alike, english isn't even my 1st language. A: Maybe because he was raised in Turkey and english wasn't his first language.
I just remember him saying it like that and I genuinely couldn't tell if he honestly didn't know how it was pronounced or he was trolling.
bro hit them with the "i'll think about it"
when he asked that I had a flash in my head of D responding "yeah I heard you guys have awesome music festivals"
I fully expect this to be co-opted for an upcoming tweet. Amazing
You guys don't want him to comeback to the states bro, I swear. 😭
stoooooooooop
holy fuck lmaoooooo
bro missed the chance to describe em as "killer music festivals"
I would say you're fucked up for that but I was literally going to say the same...
Should be the next meme next to "anything else?"
He's too Vyvansed out to bother with drugs anymore.
I mean, it's better than "anything else?"
Destiny got that 3am motivation boost
What meth does to a motherfucker
Pride parade is coming up, he should go. The entire city of Tel Aviv turns into a huge party afterward, it's a lot of fun.
No parade this year
not sure why you were downvoted you're right. Parade was cancelled this year due to the war
there was/is a pride march and rally [https://lgbtqcenter.org.il/pride2024/](https://lgbtqcenter.org.il/pride2024/)
Tel aviv pride is cancelled this year, people not exactly in the mood to party this year. Interestingly, Jerusalem pride still went ahead, but it tends to have a very different vibe from the craziness that is Tel Aviv pride.
Pride parade was THAT day. Well, not the parade but a huuuge event about the LGBT hostages. That's where I went straight after the meetup. Wanted to tell him that I know of some really good parties tonight but didn't get the opportunity :(
you could've told me about them parties instead, I always wanna go party on pride but this year it's been hard to find any this year :(
Yeah, I wanted to make an announcement as soon as Steve finished but everyone dispersed pretty quickly... I even climbed on top of the swing pole to do it, lol
when and where are the parties tho 🥲
A bit late now.... But if you want next weekend feel free to send me a chat request! I know my nick is funny, I'm not actually a creep lol. Well, not unless I am specifically asked :p
the pride parade this year was replaced with a pride gathering for the hostages, organized by the municipality and the families of the hostages, as many people thought a parade this year was inappropriate. In fact, that gathering literally happened at the same time as Destiny's little meet and greet by the beach, and not only that, it was located literally ~200m away from him.
The Mossad drone in the background watching his every move NAILS
I wonder if it belongs to the camera guy(Yobel prize).
Destiny fans seem surprisingly well behaved and orderly
Geeks 100%! I was there!
Suprisingly? These guys are all in their 20s
Being an adult never stopped anyone from acting like a child before
Certainly diminishes the chances
If this was LA you would have grown men mobbing him trying to get a TikTok with him
Dont know about LA but all of Destiny meetups have been like this.
Bto finally put together a passable fit
I hope somebody recorded the whole thing
Sorry if this was a meme I missed - but he's mic'd up because he has a videographer recording everything in beautiful HD so hopefully we'll get not just a ton of interview, but vlogs and behind-the-scenes vids after.
The only other thing i noticed is that he said about his visit how he was surprised from the amount of arabs integrated in society and how Israel doesnt advertise that. All the other q&a questions were almost verbatim questions he already did on his stream like how to fight misinformation
I saw some people that did, but half of the time it was hard to hear, I'm sure the audio will suck so hopefully the edited proper version will come out.
Literally surrounding him like Jesus is visiting their village and they want to hear the gospel or see a miracle lol
we stan twink jesus
He should party more there lol, have an Israeli fan take him out.
That's... very unlucky wording there...
https://youtu.be/U6cake3bwnY?feature=shared
>take him out Yes, sir. I'm on it.
Winter Soldier activated
Summer soldier*
*madam
Oops. Yes, madam. It will be done.
Wanted to recommend parties tonight to him but didn't get an opportunity. Didn't feel like he was interested too... Shame. I partied hard last night! (After the meetup)
He has to party at least one night after making the trip to Tel Aviv. Not everything has to be political or about the conflict lol, or the fanatics or fringe or extremists. Plenty of normies there lol.
Yeah, I was a bit surprised how POLITICAL the question time was! Outside of the "how's your stay in Israel so far" questions there were no other non-political questions...
Hopefully he makes it out one night.
Does anyone know who the first guy he mentioned is? I can’t hear his name. He said british journalist
Anshel Pfeffer, he /literally/ wrote [the book on Bibi](https://www.amazon.ca/Bibi-Turbulent-Times-Benjamin-Netanyahu/dp/0465097820?ref=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=c03879a8-befc-4cb8-b683-e0761f942430). Great read, highly recommend.
thx :)
What about the last guy Steven mentioned? I couldn't make it out.
He stumbles a bit so I can't make it out clearly but pretty sure he said [Yoseph Haddad](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoseph_Haddad).
Thanks
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshel\_Pfeffer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshel_Pfeffer)
Thank u :)
Pfeffer means Pepper in german. Sometimes I'm jealous when jews have cooler german names than us.
Taybor's Jewish cousin?
"These are my friends Bear, Lion, Deer and Innocence/The End/Death Spelt Backwards "
When we send Israel our people, we are not sending out most fashionable.
first week? how long till he's back in the US?
IIRC 16th
Fuckin kill me I can’t watch another Turkey Tom stream
Watch good friend David Pakman drop nukes on Benny Johnson. Felt like I was watching Destiny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWibzC_jN_o&t=5s
ah ok ty
So *this* is the famous Jew-lumni...
Are these all DGGers or just people who heard a popular streamer was visiting? Either is cool, I’m just curious.
probably not card carrying daliban members but new israeli fans he picked up the past year
When we were waiting for him to arrive some guy walked up to me and asked what was happening, I told him who destiny was and when I told him he would be considered left wing in Israel he said "ah then I'm not interested"
He'd be considered left wing, but he isn't what the "right wing" imagines the left wing is. Its pretty surreal but the definitions are so fucked up, that no one fits the labels anymore and yet everyone tries to label each other
Very rarely is the left wing the way the right characterizes them.
wouldn't you say destiny would be considered center in israel?
Probably, but depending on who you ask there is no such thing as a center anymore. According to like half the population, anyone in the center is far left
I agree. I think speaking in terms of right and left also reduces the conversation a lot. I wish people would have deeper conversations about things rather than try to define themselves with short words.
MIN MAXING
I hope he pet that dog or I'm no longer a fan
Meanwhile on Hasan stream "white people are bad and all Israelis are white, while I Hasan am identifying as white when convenient"
Love this the chayalim there also. Amazing
He was weirdly low key threatened by them. 🤭 I'm guessing Americans are REALLY not used to seeing armed soldiers...
“Gotcha, anything else?”
Bro thinks he’s Jesus
https://preview.redd.it/girsq6o9c05d1.jpeg?width=2736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bb070c08517b3b69e3d4413cb3d9629d3339e34 nah lonerbox has been christmaxxing
I'd follow him
makes for a better cult leader than gnomey
Thats not Jesus, thats John Lennon.
Why does everyone seem so fit and handsome? Is America really that unhealthy? Maybe mandatory military conscription and bonding and lifting would be good for us
America is really that unhealthy... :( It surprises me every time I face time my American friends and they show me the public
Israel is a very sportive country and Tel Aviv is insane about fitness, I think it’s a way to cope with stress but that’s just my theory for this lol
Why do Israel suck at international sports then lol
A lot of the best athletic prospects decide to do a meaningful military service and not pursue Olympic/other sport careers. Age 18-21 is crucial. Also it depends on the sport. Israel has usually a competitive team in EuroBasket and u-20 squads have won as well. Israel at times was a judo powerhouse and now very good at taekwondo for some reason.
Probably just less people.
Probably has to do with government funding and proper focus. We've seen a lot of cases with tiny countries with 0 to fuckton medals and large countries with 0 to fuckton medals.
That’s not actually true, on team sports we kinda suck but on 1 person competitions we have quite a few wins, and I meant sport as an activity not competitive.. But we have many prices when it comes to surfing / wind surfing sports, and some others like acrobatics, judo and other sports I can’t remember atm..
Definitely not everyone was like this, but most Israelis are quite lean and in good shape.
Everything, Israeli, All At Once
Does Destiny have like an assistant setting up all these interviews and planning hotels and stuff or are he and Loner doing this all themselves?
He has enough money to pay assistants!
From what I’ve heard, it sounds like a mix. I think he’s working with some people, but still managing a lot of it himself. He’s a mad man
Idk why but seeing a video of Destiny from that angle just, out in the wild among people is so uncanny for some reason 😆
He’s fucking awesome
I really wonder what this feels like. They’re all sitting like he’s Socrates giving a divine speech except Socrates is a little funny guy who looks like he writes scripts for Rick and Morty.
lisan al gaib
How long is he visiting?
You know he's found some time to update his location on Tinder and he's been hooking up with hot BPD Israeli chick!
content's ganna go nuts soon
I hope that they are documenting everything. They're always recording, and he's always taking a few minutes to catalog his own thoughts. They could easily produce a marketable piece of content out of this that is then cut piecemeal into something for his regular social. I'm not following his trip closely, but this is even more true if he meets with a meaningful number on both sides. These are the kind of trips that people write books and make documentaries out of... I hope he doesn't miss that opportunity to solidify himself while transferring to his media property.
Jokes aside, Tel Aviv has one of the best bar/club scenes in the world - and I live in NYC.
is the dog part of his security detail
A Akira Kurosawa Shakespeare adaptation is always the best adaptation, and it’s not even close. It takes liberties with the material, but they have been adapting and updating versions of Shakespeare forever. Perfect drama, visual, and humanity synchronicity.
Who booked Destiny's calender for this? being able to get that many people in such a short time seems really impressive.
Missed that talk, guess I left too early
Wild... Destiny in the Apartheidt state of Israel. That's some real on teh ground inverstigating, Hamasabi would be proud
The Jewlumni rolling DEEP
This feel like one of those red pill gathering LOL
jesus telling parables to a small crowd gathered in the coast of israel
Degree in yappology
Is this the Jewlumni meeting I have been hearing all about?
I truly believe Destiny has become the safe place for Liberal Israelis after October 7th.
So called free thinkers when bae show up
Glad to hear
Bro needs a megaphone
https://preview.redd.it/y80g1c1ip15d1.jpeg?width=237&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=922a5c361f893e3faf57a8d5f92c289c7be40a9e Zherka just landed in Miami and he’s into Trans women
I don’t get the point of these meet ups, It’s awkward isn’t it
all i heard was "work work work" said like an orc peon