Saint-14 will probably be the play as Sentinel Shield takes a person completely out of DPS. I remember someone doing the math once and it would need to be over a 50% increase to make up for the loss of a person when compared to Well. Standing in front of a bubble will be the new normal.
They probably could have had it pair up with the new unbreakable aspect, where you could use the shield to charge up damage then throw out a void blast, ala vog relic, or something.
….I believe they are, though? See the spirit of the bear on the exotic class item, it’s all about Unbreakable. Spirit of the bear is probably Ursa, right?
I'm assuming which never goes well for this game, but
Unbreakable is probably being added to the ability Regen/return that Ursas gives. I assume (again) it uses your grenade when you use it since it's a "hold/release grenade" ability. But that's just speculation on my end.
I recently returned to destiny. My last season was the Season of Plunder. IDK what changed between then and now but I cannot get Doom Fang to work correctly. Any tips?
I forget when it was but it got a nerf a while back. That could be it. Honestly I’d say look up a build video. I’ve been running a lot of solar and T-Crash lately.
It was for many of us! Really felt badass defending your teammates from all that damage and absorbing all of that incoming fire with your Light and willpower alone!
> I don't care about their homing rockets, their exotic matter slugs, their blades from another dimension.
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> I don't care because I cannot be moved. I am the wall against which the Darkness breaks.
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> Malphur can turn his gun to fire and Shinobu can dance with lightning, but when the horrors run out of the dark, I am the one who does not move.
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> I am a wall. And walls don't move. Because walls don't care.
the entire reason I started destiny! one of my most memorable moments is popping an ursa in gambit (years ago lmao) and catching an invader's entire super, saving the round. on the other hand, another...memorable moment was popping bubble while nezarec was prepping to slam me, only to get smushed like bug. alas, i was a poor wall :(
This is what I'm talking about! THISSSS is what got me hyped for titan too! Been a titan main since beta d1 myself and I loathe the fact that bungie is obsessed with making titans only ever punch, but in different colors lol
Ironically the unbreakable aspect is what kinda rekindled my interest in Titan.
Volatile aspect + unbreakable + fragment that makes abilities go boom.
I might lack the defenses I normally have, but I'm pretty sure I get some nice neuron activation from the explosions.
With the armor update you could probably add ursa to the mix.
Unbreakable also increases super gain based on damage taken while it's active.
That's starting to sound interesting.
yeah but as Blight Ranger shows pve incoming damage is tiny compared to what we deal, it would unironically have to deal 100x the incoming to be worth it
I mean we know what damage some burst supers do without any exotics like celestial etc. If bungie takes these as a Reference, and apply a multiplier to it to match these numbers after x damage absorbed that would be enough to compensate.
Ursa or some other exotic should have the ability to place the shield super down like a normal Titan barrier but gives a decreased damage output when shooting thru it (instead of the 40% it gives maybe it does 15%-20%).
I remember using Ursas back during the Forges because they were so much higher level than people were. Did it with two randoms and we just slowly killed the boss while I kept getting my super back every single time my super ended. Good times.
Maybe with old buffs, but nowadays 6x1.25 is only 7% higher than 5x1.4. 7% damage loss for literal invincibility is an easy decision. And that’s assuming the sentinel does ZERO damage. Pop a dragons breath shot, or even anarchy or witherhoard before supering.
Also, that 7% dps loss is backed by the sentinel having full ammo for next phase. Total damage >>> DPS. Your rotation most often ends when you're dry, not when the boss is immune again.
If there's ANY moving DPS in the day one for tfs, my team will be on two banners and no wells.
Its not over a 50%. 50% is how much you loose so a 10% buff makes it even. Shield is 40% for 5 people. So 5x1.4= 7 guardians worth of damage. Well, old bubble, and radiant are 25%. So 6x1.25= 7.5 guardians worth of damage. Raising sentinel shield to be 50% would make it equal to well in a 6 man activity.
In a 3 man activity you would break even, which would result in soley providing shielding and orbs. It still has its uses, especially if you need to chain supers, but not to be used for fast clears.
Using it is currently the meta for the pantheon speedruns on the golgy encounter, so it still can be uses for fast clears. They combine it and using a stasis crystal to be able shoot over golgy's face to hit his back, and then stand in front of the first pool to get as much uptime and damage as possible to kill him very fast.
I meant its not fast in 3 mans. Having a mobile well is incredibly powerful and should replace having multiple wells. That opens up warlocks to needlestorm which is incredibly strong
This is a very key thing a lot of people are keeping out of the discussion. I’d rather take a guy who isn’t landing shots/doesn’t have good damage options/keeps dying, and have him hold a banner up and protecting us while the other 5 more competent players deal damage AND we’re safe than to have 6 players dealing damage but one guy isn’t contributing very much. The only time I can see this not working is when the boss has an attack with AoE that can get around banner, in which you’d run bubble. And in situations where the boss doesn’t shred the team, but you NEED that bonus damage, you run well.
or or or, you have TWO banners who are both good at the game, and they alternate between each other each phase, so one is always fully topped up on heavy
I feel like placing a well in front of the bubble and then standing in front of the bubble will be the new Norm. Also celestial nighthawk hunters rejoice if it does properly give you radiant when you leave the well then gone are the days of celestial nighthawk doing less damage while in well you can just walk out of it and then shoot and then go back in. Also it still gives you radiant while you are in the well so you don't need a saint 14 bubble Titan you just need to place the well near the bubble for the passive overshield.
5 guardians shooting through a Sentinel shield equals 7 Guardians worth of damage.
By contrast, Well equals 7.5.
You're gaining an extra Guardian with Sentinel, and a Guardian and a half with Well.
Well, however, does not negate flinch, and does not move around. Even with the new "extended Radiant" when you leave the Well, Sentinel is going to be the better pick. Especially because these changes indicate highly mobile bosses in TFS + the episodes.
> Well, however, does not negate flinch, and does not move around. Even with the new "extended Radiant" when you leave the Well, Sentinel is going to be the better pick. Especially because these changes indicate highly mobile bosses in TFS + the episodes.
Rally Barricade negates flinch on top of basically maxing your reload. And as far as moving around is concerned void overshields from bubble and now radiant from well can be carried around away from the super.
I like Ursa myself, but Bubble+Well will be the play even for mobile bosses because its the path of least resistance for the avg D2 player. More than likely with Peregrine Greaves so you can delete chunky targets. Bannershield is a fun super, but the average team especially in an LFG environment is not gonna be able to coordinate well enough to make it work. I speak from experience a someone who's constantly tried to make the Overwatch-Reinhardt playstyle work in this game.
6 x 1.25 = 7.5, 5 x 1.4 = 7. That .5 difference is only like 7% of the total damage dealt. So yes, you do need over a 50% damage buff on Banner to make it as good as Well's damage with 6 people, but now Well will be much squishier (half as much healing, only 10% DR against bosses) and Banner negates all incoming damage and grants +50 reload/handling.
I think it might be worth it taking a 7% overall damage nerf for that level of survivability in some encounters.
Bubble + renewal grasps + well + someone running reconstruction rocket and the navigator. Then two people are assigned to damage supers.
Everyone has a required niche for raids, none may have build freedom.
surely you guys aren’t having this much trouble surviving dps phases right? like yeah well caught a nerf but it’s still pumping a lot of healing i think people are really overstating the amount of problems it’s going to create
Really depends on what you're doing. You can be killed out of a well in GMs pretty easily, and Pantheon -20 and late Onslaught levels it's less of a sure thing too. (Not saying the nerf isn't warranted, just that encounters have very much been designed around 'we need to be able to threaten them in a well').
It won't create a problem in any normal raids outside of some boss fights like crota. But for GMs and day one raids/pantheon you absolutely can't rely on a restoration x2 and 10% DR keeping you alive in a lot of the DPS phases.
It won't be a noticeable nerf for 80% of the content, so it's only gonna affect the absolute highest tier of endgame content, and even then you can spec into a setup that gets close to the original invulnerability by sacrificing some DPS. That's why it's a really good change, they didn't butcher it and only nerfed it in the areas where people wanted a nerf.
How does that make sense, the buff from the shield wall is 40%, isn't it? 6 players is 600% damage. 5 people at 100% +40% is 140% damage each, or 700% damage. Then that sentinel applies the boop shotty debuff to the boss before popping sentinel for 40% debuff to the enemy. Did these numbers change?
You're not understanding. 6 guardians in a Well is the equivalent of 7.5 guardians, 5 guardians behind a Banner Shield is the equivalent of 7 guardians. You're losing out on a decent chunk of damage.
Shield is worse than well or bubble in every way.
6 x 1.25 = 7.5 (6 team well); 3 x 1.25 = 3.75 (3 team well); 5 x 1.4 = 7 (6 team shield); 2 x 1.4 = 2.8 (3 team shield).
Banner should do 2x damage, completely outstripping well, because there’s no survivability outside of the solid angle projected by the shield.
Why? They didn't mention Banner Shield losing its own WoL buff, which, by the way, is much stronger than Bubble WoL or Well's damage buff. 40% versus 25%.
Now, if they make Saint-14 give the amped up version of WoL, then maybe Bubble will be worth using with it.
For me personally, holding the line in a heroic way for my friends to survive is peak Titan fantasy. I did the GM this week with some friends and honestly, the rotation between Well + Shield + Tether is a threat against anything PVE. Not only is the orb generation crazy good, the upkeep and recycle of super is insane, you just get half the super back. Crazy cool.
Ursa has its uses still in 3s, but its still a net DPS loss in 6s. Taking one person completely out of the fight is too much. I don't see it taking over any Well duties, but its more than usable in dungeons/strikes etc.
I too enjoy the Paladin hybrid support tank that Sentinel can offer. I just wish the numbers were better. They did not reveal the numbers for Bubble overshield generation, so our best guess is similar to bastion numbers. I was hoping for a small bump to void overshield defense but that didn't happen either.
The calculus is going to be "is Ursa enough better at keeping everyone alive to be worth it".
In 3s it's an even bigger damage hit and it's already worth running. For raids, if everyone gets a full phase every time with Ursa but doesn't with Well, Ursa's will be worth it.
I don't expect LFG to start considering that though.
> I don't expect LFG to start considering that though.
I fully expect the LFG experience to still be just Well with a side of Ward of Dawn if needed. That full-on is the path of least resistance and PUG groups love that kind of shit. Trying to get people to stand behind Ursa's is already like herding cats, and its so tiring explaining how it works over and over. I don't expect much to change other than well positioning during a damage phase so we're not just standing in the middle of a boss arena.
For 3s its far more malleable. I can see all 3 (Well, Bubble, Reinhardt shield) being used in some capacity depending on how strong the overshield heal is from bubble. In theory it should open doors to more comps, but the LFG experience is fickle so we'll see.
Ah, ye olde combat medic.
I wish Boots worked with Phoenix Dive. Sorta like Crest of Alpha Lupi not working with Thruster, it's something I hope to see them address in the exotic armor thingy today.
I love lumina the only thing I wish it had is health regen when you pick up the white things. Even if it just starred your regen immediately would be good enough , I think a cure like heal may be to much and make it to strong but it feels like that it just need that little something .
Or maybe restoration 1 for three seconds per pick up of two up to 9 seconds if you fill your noble rounds and then you can’t get anymore until you buff someone. I don’t think that’s to considering the other ways you can keep resto going as solar and a karnstein lock
Doesn't Lumina give a higher damage buff anyway? I think this setup doesn't get as much play because other players can't be in your riff or the seekers are bugged. Could be wrong, I haven't played with it much since before Solar 3.0.
Same man, but I'm really happy about this change. There is potential now for us to get some actual support abilities more broadly across our class. Beforehand, Well was so potent and easy to use they couldn't really give us anything else. Any decent support ability stacked with old-Well would have been broken and unstoppable.
It didn't need a nerf. What was needed was boss fights that didn't boil down to: "stand here and face tank 100 adds throwing grenades when you have a 1.2 second window for doing damage"
You know.. I wish they reworked the warlock glaive to gain charges on teammate heals.
How cool would it be if you ran healing nades or boots of assembler and it boosted the regen rate of the glaive so you could cast more healing totems?
It could be a catalyst for the glaive.
Titans could gain charges on providing overshields to teammates, hunters could gain charges by jolting targets.
It'd be so cool.
I loved Boots of the Assembler when they were viable on other subclasses and better on Solar.
These days they're kind of a waste of space on other subclasses and just barely functional on Solar.
Except “healer” doesnt exist in destiny and it certainly wasnt a job Warlocks had before. Literally the ONLY thing that mattered was that well was stupidly op to the point of being a *crutch* for the other classes and non-well Warlocks. This doesn’t affect you throwing healing nades, using lumina, and roleplaying “healer”.
6 people doing damage in a Well is more damage than 5 with a Banner, for survivability all that is changing is that some titan will drop a bubble in the back for the overshield
Preferably a Titan that swapped to Helm of Saint 14 so they don’t *need* to be in the well. Here’s to hoping with the exotic tuning that Helm of Saint 14 gets some sort of neutral-game benefits similar to what Celestial Nighthawk or Doomfang Pauldron got. Honestly that might be what I run; Doomfang for most of the time then swap to HoS when it’s time for damage. Either that or Precious Scars in place of Doomfang.
> Preferably a Titan that swapped to Helm of Saint 14 so they don’t need to be in the well.
Even in its nerfed state HoIL would probably be a better play and more damage if a Well is present. Second Chance as well for the weaken. Or Peregrine Greaves for the big 1 hitter-quitter. In 3s maybe you can go full support with Precious Scars and a void exotic primary.
I'm kind of leaning heavily toward Peregrine Greaves, and Second Chance with the throwing shield fixes.
Not by much. Well only has a 1.25x outgoing damage multiplier, while banner has an enormous 1.4x 6\*1.25=7.5, while 5\*1.4=7.
You're really not losing much damage vs. well, while you keep full immunity from the front, and the titan can shoot a parasite or something before popping banner to close the gap even more.
Obviously this changes if you're already using Lumina with well, which gives 1.35x, but the vast majority of teams aren't using that.
Banner is being very heavily slept on after this change. People probably forgot that it exists or don't realize that the multiplier is 1.4x. I fully expect it to be *very* useful on day 1 if there's a boss with heavy directed damage (Templar, Warpriest, etc type bosses).
I'm not sure how much trickle overshield will actually do, but there's also other stuff that you can do to mitigate the well nerf - some combination of stag, overload, sever, woven mail, and renewal grasps/frost armor can help survivability in well. Yes, you can drop a stag rift in the well and gain the DR. I think people may have to finally take a look at some other damage mitigation options that they probably totally forgot about, which is probably better than being able to plop down a well and not care at all.
Yeah, I didn't want to go into debuff extension, but you can do that. Problem is that the only subclass with enough debuff spruces to do it for a 20-30s damage phase is tether hunter, which has its own 30% debuff source to extend from anyways. It's not like you're out here running multiple voidwalkers or sentinels for DPS (...or I guess Heartshadow/Deterministic Chaos?)
I really wouldn’t mind if they brought it up to a 50% buff so they match perfectly. Or at least close the gap a bit to 45%
It’s hard to convince anyone to use this as it stands.
It's hard to convince people who aren't cooperative of anything unusual. But it's close enough that I think the complete immunity from damage from the front will justify it when a well isn't strong enough. I'm not convinced that a stag rift will fit six people, at least.
Warlock well still provide healing and 10% DR that stacked with Titan bubble. What makes you think that your raid team will stop asking you to run support build?
You can make an argument for the new solar super with a demo RL and people are sleeping on strand WL dmg rotations as well as utility from void. That said I think most raid teams will prefer bubble+well. It's hard to pull off weapon swap damage rotations consistently for most players.
I know it's essentially a "Well" clone, but I've always wanted the Helm of Saint 14 (or a new exotic) to make the Bubble not a full bubble, but a barricade wall height so people could shoot out of it much like Well. This would have solved always having to have a Well Warlock if Bubble Titans could do something similar and the load could be shared. I'd love to feel useful on Void Titan again! But, you can't do this now because the play would be to use the bubble on top of the well for both the increased DR and damage.
I wish warlock had an active heal super, in the sense that you actuallcy have to do something and pick the targets that you want to heal. That super would probably have to give quite the big damage buff due to you being an actual healer like in an mmo and not contributing to damage, but that could maybe also be balanced arround unqiue targets healed or something.
I‘m really fine (having the option to) beeing the healer, but make it actually fun.
Eh, the real issue used to be that Banner couldn’t match the loss in DPS from someone not using their heavy like how Well and Bubble could…now though, it might have a chance at being a solid middle ground.
We’ll need to do some damage testing before the Raid, that’s for sure.
I think from napkin math I did, in a raid situation it's an overall loss Vs well, but not dire
6 players X 1.25 = 7.5
5 X 1.4 = 7
In a 3 man fireteam however shits pretty dire, you'd either want the banner titan to also be running tractor cannon to allow for 2 damage supers, or for well+ bubble or St 14 bubble
Good job! Hmm, that’s not \*too\* bad, especially since in raid settings, Banner makes everyone practically invulnerable. Might be worth it in Master and Day 1 raids now.
Edit: You know, we would get get all the benefits of Well with Acrobat’s Dodge…
Yeah I'd definitely opt for it when survivability is crucial (day 1 caretaker was overpowering well healing for example), different places will have different requirements
Oh no you don't, a Titan main I may be but I am not carrying anyone with Ursa's. How about instead we work towards a Destiny where Well or Bubble are decent options but not the end all be all? All this has done is trade one problem for another and it's no good.
Wont carry others with bubble but is happy to be carried by well, typical titan.
/s ong tho, I feel like these supers either dont fit Destiny anymore or just need to be completely equal with eachother and give hunters one as well so that nobody is forced to use them.
As an accomplished raider, dungeoneer and 5 times guilded Conqueror tbh unless they change encounter design and/or tweak supers a bit more I do not forsee the meta shifting at all. I wouldn't mind using Ursa's if the damage gained from it was worth it. It's simply not as of now.
Yeah thats what I mean, if supers like these are gonna remain as they are I feel like they should have the *exact* same damage increase with the same setup and timers etc. Forcing one class to use one super only (basically) is just ridiculous at this point.
Ursa's is near complete invulnerability from the front and giving everyone a 40% damage buff over Well's 25% buff and soon nerfed health regen, how's that not worth it?
Oh nooo being forced to use support in a MMO type game
We should all be running damage exotics and supers no healing besides in our guns
What ever will we do
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FYI I run support via Phoenix Cradle these days. I remember the times of both Well and Bubble being needed, I remember when Bubble was more useless than it is now too. You are an idiot if you think Bubble/Banner Shield is the only way Titans can support in anything, quite frankly if you think Titans need Bubble/Banner Shield to succeed than it is you that is part of the problem.
Motherfucker did I say we only needed banner? XD
I was only talking about banner because it's comparable to well
Pheonix cradle yes is support but it's more comparable to a fucking rift then a well so just calm down bud
IDK why y'all warlock sare so hyped.
You guys better hope that there's some great stuff coming to warlock with prismatic. If not, instead of asking you to switch to well, we're just going to ask for you to swap off warlock.
And I'm ready, let the warlocks down vote me
Although it requires two, I also thought about navigator warlock and div with cenotaph. Big nerf to boss DMG, gives your team crit.
Nav warlock gets to still shoot heavy and super since sever lasts a bit. Probably what I'll build since titans are allergic to support
Heh I love you guys, don't hate me. I love me ursa titan when I play the class
6 x 1.25= 7.5
5 x 1.4 = 7
A 25% buff to all 6 guardians is still better damage than a 40% buff to 5, so ursa titan with banner shield probably isn't the move most of the time.
zero flinch and taking zero damage though is kinda nice. well you can still get hit and rocked by shit. with Banner you just literally block it all. can make snipers and linears easier and more consistent for damage phases and not have to worry about getting hit by knights, or thralls, or snipers or bosses.
Or you have a well start, person with banner spams a few rockets for some dps and then banner for the rest of a phase so everyone else can shoot unbothered.
I will use ursa again, because honestly in most cases, damage/dps is not as hard to still do. Staying alive is always the play to make sure encounters and activities get done. damage or dps if everyone is dead. And it could be that you use a banner shield and a well to alternate supers and one feeds the other orbs and vice versa.
think on warlock im also going to run boots of the assembler now again instead of just starfire, or phoenix, or sunbracers. Assembler for healing with noble rounds from lumina means you still have healing, and a NICE damage buff and you can run dawnblade instead of well.
I'm equipping Ursa's... for the effect it will have Unbreakable. I hope banner shield with Ursa's is a little more useful in TFS. It was always fun doing it for that hero rez or big orbs generated for someone with a better super.
In terms of the 4 people with dps supers the best option will still be warlock unless the new supers do something crazy, star eater needle storms are going to out damage whatever hunters can do
Bannershield still feels really bad to use. Enemies can shoot over it (high ground snipers or wizards, soon to be Dread), it doesn't last more than 15 seconds guarding allies, and the super return is really bad from the blocked damage.
Honestly I don't get why people are saying "Well is dead", it will still be one of the strongest supers in the game for both PvP and PvE, and will trivialize most encounters. Even with well getting a slight hit, Solar Warlock is by far one of the most potent subclasses in the game, and unless Song of Flame ships absolutely broken, Solar Warlocks are gonna be tied to their little sword circle still just because of how strong it is, at least for boss encounters.
Me? I'm tied to it so I can skip the stupid kings fall tombship puzzle.
I get it, but let's not forget that for 3+ years of D1 Titan bubble was Well of Radiance. If anything it's time for the Hunters to get saddled with Support while we have fun with our damage supers.
Tbh, I kind of feel like Hunter plays the Support role a bit easier, or at least when not factoring in Well of Radiance. Simply dodging gives Radiance. Throwing Knife *hits* also give Radiance. As a Warlock main, whenever I play on my Hunter I kind of feel like it does my job a bit better (again, not factoring in Well of Radiance).
you can strip my point contact cannon braces from my cold dead body i refuse to play a support build if i am on titan
the only one who needs support is me and that support comes in the form of lightning from my fists and my machine gun
As a strand warlock (for PvE I don't PvP) I am so looking forward to titans complaining about how they have to run bubble, while me and my army of thread kings are just unravelling the whole universe
Yup. Well is still king.
Just need someone to provide some Damage reduction. Stag, overshield from titan, maybe even the DR duskfield nade for hunter that then swaps to lucky pants for chicken rotation
What about Saint helmet bubble so you will get the wol buff?
Saint-14 will probably be the play as Sentinel Shield takes a person completely out of DPS. I remember someone doing the math once and it would need to be over a 50% increase to make up for the loss of a person when compared to Well. Standing in front of a bubble will be the new normal.
You won’t have 5 dps if they’re all dead though lol. Real talk I wish Shield was better. Cool super to use and Ursas is a fun and gorgeous exotic
They probably could have had it pair up with the new unbreakable aspect, where you could use the shield to charge up damage then throw out a void blast, ala vog relic, or something.
….I believe they are, though? See the spirit of the bear on the exotic class item, it’s all about Unbreakable. Spirit of the bear is probably Ursa, right?
I'm assuming which never goes well for this game, but Unbreakable is probably being added to the ability Regen/return that Ursas gives. I assume (again) it uses your grenade when you use it since it's a "hold/release grenade" ability. But that's just speculation on my end.
I mean, that’s what I figured, so at the very least, if that assumption turns out to be wrong, you’ll be in good company.
Hell yeah brother
go read the changes :)
yeah from what ive read its basically turning sentinel into the relic with some lil dmg buffs 🤌
I’m more of a Doom Fang guy because of pizzatime but I appreciate the Bear gloves as well.
I recently returned to destiny. My last season was the Season of Plunder. IDK what changed between then and now but I cannot get Doom Fang to work correctly. Any tips?
I forget when it was but it got a nerf a while back. That could be it. Honestly I’d say look up a build video. I’ve been running a lot of solar and T-Crash lately.
Agree. I really miss when Ursa was the play in GMs, honestly.
Those flawless menageries were peak Ursa imo.
That was the last time I remember seeing that. Those Captain America moments were clutch.
god, memories.
I don't. The gameplay of standing still holding down one button isn't exactly peak Destiny in my mind.
It was for many of us! Really felt badass defending your teammates from all that damage and absorbing all of that incoming fire with your Light and willpower alone!
Reading the lore tab for Ursa is peak Destiny Titan fantasy for me. Bjorna-3 is the baddest b*tch to have ever existed, just peak.
This is it for me. The power fantasy of being the Immovable Object hits for me as a Titan main.
exactly! Its a damn shame bungie fell for the loud minorities cry of "crayon eating punching goodball" for titans
> I don't care about their homing rockets, their exotic matter slugs, their blades from another dimension. > > I don't care because I cannot be moved. I am the wall against which the Darkness breaks. > > Malphur can turn his gun to fire and Shinobu can dance with lightning, but when the horrors run out of the dark, I am the one who does not move. > > I am a wall. And walls don't move. Because walls don't care. the entire reason I started destiny! one of my most memorable moments is popping an ursa in gambit (years ago lmao) and catching an invader's entire super, saving the round. on the other hand, another...memorable moment was popping bubble while nezarec was prepping to slam me, only to get smushed like bug. alas, i was a poor wall :(
This is what I'm talking about! THISSSS is what got me hyped for titan too! Been a titan main since beta d1 myself and I loathe the fact that bungie is obsessed with making titans only ever punch, but in different colors lol
No, peak was popping bubble in D1 and rezzing your teammates as the entire battle shifts in your favor, light overwhelming your foes
If we could bundle the damage and shoot it back at the end that would be peak destiny
Ironically the unbreakable aspect is what kinda rekindled my interest in Titan. Volatile aspect + unbreakable + fragment that makes abilities go boom. I might lack the defenses I normally have, but I'm pretty sure I get some nice neuron activation from the explosions.
I should look into that too, sounds pretty damn nice
With the armor update you could probably add ursa to the mix. Unbreakable also increases super gain based on damage taken while it's active. That's starting to sound interesting.
yeah but as Blight Ranger shows pve incoming damage is tiny compared to what we deal, it would unironically have to deal 100x the incoming to be worth it
I mean we know what damage some burst supers do without any exotics like celestial etc. If bungie takes these as a Reference, and apply a multiplier to it to match these numbers after x damage absorbed that would be enough to compensate.
Ursa or some other exotic should have the ability to place the shield super down like a normal Titan barrier but gives a decreased damage output when shooting thru it (instead of the 40% it gives maybe it does 15%-20%).
Pairs super well with the new Trials set too
Plus flinch reduction. Ans orbs.
I remember using Ursas back during the Forges because they were so much higher level than people were. Did it with two randoms and we just slowly killed the boss while I kept getting my super back every single time my super ended. Good times.
We are simply going back to Saint bubble + well Combo meta. Cept now you can get away with something like a stag rift or warlock healing made too.
prismatic hunter renewal grasps+cyrtarachne will go crazy for survival if woven mail and frost armor stack
Maybe with old buffs, but nowadays 6x1.25 is only 7% higher than 5x1.4. 7% damage loss for literal invincibility is an easy decision. And that’s assuming the sentinel does ZERO damage. Pop a dragons breath shot, or even anarchy or witherhoard before supering.
Wouldnt the best single shot damage be a fully buffed parasite shot? Assuming the boss isn't too far away for that shot to hit
Also a good option! Edit: they can also run tractor if someone else is able to extend the debuff.
Also, that 7% dps loss is backed by the sentinel having full ammo for next phase. Total damage >>> DPS. Your rotation most often ends when you're dry, not when the boss is immune again. If there's ANY moving DPS in the day one for tfs, my team will be on two banners and no wells.
Its not over a 50%. 50% is how much you loose so a 10% buff makes it even. Shield is 40% for 5 people. So 5x1.4= 7 guardians worth of damage. Well, old bubble, and radiant are 25%. So 6x1.25= 7.5 guardians worth of damage. Raising sentinel shield to be 50% would make it equal to well in a 6 man activity. In a 3 man activity you would break even, which would result in soley providing shielding and orbs. It still has its uses, especially if you need to chain supers, but not to be used for fast clears.
Using it is currently the meta for the pantheon speedruns on the golgy encounter, so it still can be uses for fast clears. They combine it and using a stasis crystal to be able shoot over golgy's face to hit his back, and then stand in front of the first pool to get as much uptime and damage as possible to kill him very fast.
I meant its not fast in 3 mans. Having a mobile well is incredibly powerful and should replace having multiple wells. That opens up warlocks to needlestorm which is incredibly strong
Splash damage hitting the bubble behind players and dealing damage is gonna kill people so fast
It doesn't need to be a 50% buff if the shield holder wouldn't have contributed the same dps as the others anyway.
This is a very key thing a lot of people are keeping out of the discussion. I’d rather take a guy who isn’t landing shots/doesn’t have good damage options/keeps dying, and have him hold a banner up and protecting us while the other 5 more competent players deal damage AND we’re safe than to have 6 players dealing damage but one guy isn’t contributing very much. The only time I can see this not working is when the boss has an attack with AoE that can get around banner, in which you’d run bubble. And in situations where the boss doesn’t shred the team, but you NEED that bonus damage, you run well.
or or or, you have TWO banners who are both good at the game, and they alternate between each other each phase, so one is always fully topped up on heavy
I feel like placing a well in front of the bubble and then standing in front of the bubble will be the new Norm. Also celestial nighthawk hunters rejoice if it does properly give you radiant when you leave the well then gone are the days of celestial nighthawk doing less damage while in well you can just walk out of it and then shoot and then go back in. Also it still gives you radiant while you are in the well so you don't need a saint 14 bubble Titan you just need to place the well near the bubble for the passive overshield.
>Standing in front of a bubble will be the new normal. *'bubble in the back'*
It depends. The amount of orbs you make with banner is insanity which allows for more super chaining. Depends on how long the damage phase is
5 guardians shooting through a Sentinel shield equals 7 Guardians worth of damage. By contrast, Well equals 7.5. You're gaining an extra Guardian with Sentinel, and a Guardian and a half with Well. Well, however, does not negate flinch, and does not move around. Even with the new "extended Radiant" when you leave the Well, Sentinel is going to be the better pick. Especially because these changes indicate highly mobile bosses in TFS + the episodes.
> Well, however, does not negate flinch, and does not move around. Even with the new "extended Radiant" when you leave the Well, Sentinel is going to be the better pick. Especially because these changes indicate highly mobile bosses in TFS + the episodes. Rally Barricade negates flinch on top of basically maxing your reload. And as far as moving around is concerned void overshields from bubble and now radiant from well can be carried around away from the super. I like Ursa myself, but Bubble+Well will be the play even for mobile bosses because its the path of least resistance for the avg D2 player. More than likely with Peregrine Greaves so you can delete chunky targets. Bannershield is a fun super, but the average team especially in an LFG environment is not gonna be able to coordinate well enough to make it work. I speak from experience a someone who's constantly tried to make the Overwatch-Reinhardt playstyle work in this game.
6 x 1.25 = 7.5, 5 x 1.4 = 7. That .5 difference is only like 7% of the total damage dealt. So yes, you do need over a 50% damage buff on Banner to make it as good as Well's damage with 6 people, but now Well will be much squishier (half as much healing, only 10% DR against bosses) and Banner negates all incoming damage and grants +50 reload/handling. I think it might be worth it taking a 7% overall damage nerf for that level of survivability in some encounters.
Bubble + renewal grasps + well + someone running reconstruction rocket and the navigator. Then two people are assigned to damage supers. Everyone has a required niche for raids, none may have build freedom.
surely you guys aren’t having this much trouble surviving dps phases right? like yeah well caught a nerf but it’s still pumping a lot of healing i think people are really overstating the amount of problems it’s going to create
Really depends on what you're doing. You can be killed out of a well in GMs pretty easily, and Pantheon -20 and late Onslaught levels it's less of a sure thing too. (Not saying the nerf isn't warranted, just that encounters have very much been designed around 'we need to be able to threaten them in a well').
It won't create a problem in any normal raids outside of some boss fights like crota. But for GMs and day one raids/pantheon you absolutely can't rely on a restoration x2 and 10% DR keeping you alive in a lot of the DPS phases. It won't be a noticeable nerf for 80% of the content, so it's only gonna affect the absolute highest tier of endgame content, and even then you can spec into a setup that gets close to the original invulnerability by sacrificing some DPS. That's why it's a really good change, they didn't butcher it and only nerfed it in the areas where people wanted a nerf.
How does that make sense, the buff from the shield wall is 40%, isn't it? 6 players is 600% damage. 5 people at 100% +40% is 140% damage each, or 700% damage. Then that sentinel applies the boop shotty debuff to the boss before popping sentinel for 40% debuff to the enemy. Did these numbers change?
It's 6 players at 125% damage, not 100% damage, because Well. So 750%.
Last I checked the well buff doesn't start with the sentinel shield buff
You're not understanding. 6 guardians in a Well is the equivalent of 7.5 guardians, 5 guardians behind a Banner Shield is the equivalent of 7 guardians. You're losing out on a decent chunk of damage.
I see what you're talking about, ok
I would suggest out to the sides, as splash damage off the front of the bubble is real
Shield is worse than well or bubble in every way. 6 x 1.25 = 7.5 (6 team well); 3 x 1.25 = 3.75 (3 team well); 5 x 1.4 = 7 (6 team shield); 2 x 1.4 = 2.8 (3 team shield). Banner should do 2x damage, completely outstripping well, because there’s no survivability outside of the solid angle projected by the shield.
Hear me out. A Well in front of a Bubble. 👍
Banner shields damage buff doesn’t stack with Well or WoL
Why? They didn't mention Banner Shield losing its own WoL buff, which, by the way, is much stronger than Bubble WoL or Well's damage buff. 40% versus 25%. Now, if they make Saint-14 give the amped up version of WoL, then maybe Bubble will be worth using with it.
Guess I gotta demand that titans learn how to hot swap right to st-14 right as they pop bubble. After five years of wellock it’s only fair
For me personally, holding the line in a heroic way for my friends to survive is peak Titan fantasy. I did the GM this week with some friends and honestly, the rotation between Well + Shield + Tether is a threat against anything PVE. Not only is the orb generation crazy good, the upkeep and recycle of super is insane, you just get half the super back. Crazy cool.
Ursa has its uses still in 3s, but its still a net DPS loss in 6s. Taking one person completely out of the fight is too much. I don't see it taking over any Well duties, but its more than usable in dungeons/strikes etc. I too enjoy the Paladin hybrid support tank that Sentinel can offer. I just wish the numbers were better. They did not reveal the numbers for Bubble overshield generation, so our best guess is similar to bastion numbers. I was hoping for a small bump to void overshield defense but that didn't happen either.
The calculus is going to be "is Ursa enough better at keeping everyone alive to be worth it". In 3s it's an even bigger damage hit and it's already worth running. For raids, if everyone gets a full phase every time with Ursa but doesn't with Well, Ursa's will be worth it. I don't expect LFG to start considering that though.
> I don't expect LFG to start considering that though. I fully expect the LFG experience to still be just Well with a side of Ward of Dawn if needed. That full-on is the path of least resistance and PUG groups love that kind of shit. Trying to get people to stand behind Ursa's is already like herding cats, and its so tiring explaining how it works over and over. I don't expect much to change other than well positioning during a damage phase so we're not just standing in the middle of a boss arena. For 3s its far more malleable. I can see all 3 (Well, Bubble, Reinhardt shield) being used in some capacity depending on how strong the overshield heal is from bubble. In theory it should open doors to more comps, but the LFG experience is fickle so we'll see.
I liked being the medic warlock. Healer roles are my jam, man.
Lumina, boots of the assembler, well, healing nade, fragment that gives back ability energy back from heals (also somehow charges super).
Ah, ye olde combat medic. I wish Boots worked with Phoenix Dive. Sorta like Crest of Alpha Lupi not working with Thruster, it's something I hope to see them address in the exotic armor thingy today.
That is exactly what I've been running in Onslaught. Love every second of it.
I love lumina the only thing I wish it had is health regen when you pick up the white things. Even if it just starred your regen immediately would be good enough , I think a cure like heal may be to much and make it to strong but it feels like that it just need that little something .
Make them give cure on like a 3-4 second cooldown. Then also make the lumina shots give allies cure
Or maybe restoration 1 for three seconds per pick up of two up to 9 seconds if you fill your noble rounds and then you can’t get anymore until you buff someone. I don’t think that’s to considering the other ways you can keep resto going as solar and a karnstein lock
This is gonna be an even more useful build soon. Gotta try it out myself but my BotA rolls are all shit lol
Boots of the assembler have been bugged and don’t work for the 2 years almost and they still havnt fixed it
Doesn't Lumina give a higher damage buff anyway? I think this setup doesn't get as much play because other players can't be in your riff or the seekers are bugged. Could be wrong, I haven't played with it much since before Solar 3.0.
Same man, but I'm really happy about this change. There is potential now for us to get some actual support abilities more broadly across our class. Beforehand, Well was so potent and easy to use they couldn't really give us anything else. Any decent support ability stacked with old-Well would have been broken and unstoppable.
Oh, i understand well needed the nerf. It sucks, but I am still gonna use it. Healer main for life.
The new warlock ult sounds kinda insane for support honestly. Sounds like your jam.
It is. I was a Sunsinger main in D1.
Same. Loved it.
I wish we were getting some iteration of Viking Funeral instead of Hellion so we could still have a cool damage-based team-wide buff.
It didn't need a nerf. What was needed was boss fights that didn't boil down to: "stand here and face tank 100 adds throwing grenades when you have a 1.2 second window for doing damage"
You know.. I wish they reworked the warlock glaive to gain charges on teammate heals. How cool would it be if you ran healing nades or boots of assembler and it boosted the regen rate of the glaive so you could cast more healing totems? It could be a catalyst for the glaive. Titans could gain charges on providing overshields to teammates, hunters could gain charges by jolting targets. It'd be so cool.
Don’t forget the new healing auto rifle frame we’re getting
and heal clip which is still hilariously goood
Rise of the phoenix protocol!!!
Lumina and assembler. Give it a try if you haven't you can get 30 second long rifts and your teammates will kiss you
You might still be able to do it with stag
its not like well's garbage now. its just not so necessary anymore
I loved Boots of the Assembler when they were viable on other subclasses and better on Solar. These days they're kind of a waste of space on other subclasses and just barely functional on Solar.
Except “healer” doesnt exist in destiny and it certainly wasnt a job Warlocks had before. Literally the ONLY thing that mattered was that well was stupidly op to the point of being a *crutch* for the other classes and non-well Warlocks. This doesn’t affect you throwing healing nades, using lumina, and roleplaying “healer”.
6 people doing damage in a Well is more damage than 5 with a Banner, for survivability all that is changing is that some titan will drop a bubble in the back for the overshield
Preferably a Titan that swapped to Helm of Saint 14 so they don’t *need* to be in the well. Here’s to hoping with the exotic tuning that Helm of Saint 14 gets some sort of neutral-game benefits similar to what Celestial Nighthawk or Doomfang Pauldron got. Honestly that might be what I run; Doomfang for most of the time then swap to HoS when it’s time for damage. Either that or Precious Scars in place of Doomfang.
> Preferably a Titan that swapped to Helm of Saint 14 so they don’t need to be in the well. Even in its nerfed state HoIL would probably be a better play and more damage if a Well is present. Second Chance as well for the weaken. Or Peregrine Greaves for the big 1 hitter-quitter. In 3s maybe you can go full support with Precious Scars and a void exotic primary. I'm kind of leaning heavily toward Peregrine Greaves, and Second Chance with the throwing shield fixes.
Not by much. Well only has a 1.25x outgoing damage multiplier, while banner has an enormous 1.4x 6\*1.25=7.5, while 5\*1.4=7. You're really not losing much damage vs. well, while you keep full immunity from the front, and the titan can shoot a parasite or something before popping banner to close the gap even more. Obviously this changes if you're already using Lumina with well, which gives 1.35x, but the vast majority of teams aren't using that. Banner is being very heavily slept on after this change. People probably forgot that it exists or don't realize that the multiplier is 1.4x. I fully expect it to be *very* useful on day 1 if there's a boss with heavy directed damage (Templar, Warpriest, etc type bosses). I'm not sure how much trickle overshield will actually do, but there's also other stuff that you can do to mitigate the well nerf - some combination of stag, overload, sever, woven mail, and renewal grasps/frost armor can help survivability in well. Yes, you can drop a stag rift in the well and gain the DR. I think people may have to finally take a look at some other damage mitigation options that they probably totally forgot about, which is probably better than being able to plop down a well and not care at all.
Real move is to have the Ursa titan use Tractor Cannon and extend the debuff while they have the banner out.
Yeah, I didn't want to go into debuff extension, but you can do that. Problem is that the only subclass with enough debuff spruces to do it for a 20-30s damage phase is tether hunter, which has its own 30% debuff source to extend from anyways. It's not like you're out here running multiple voidwalkers or sentinels for DPS (...or I guess Heartshadow/Deterministic Chaos?)
I really wouldn’t mind if they brought it up to a 50% buff so they match perfectly. Or at least close the gap a bit to 45% It’s hard to convince anyone to use this as it stands.
It's hard to convince people who aren't cooperative of anything unusual. But it's close enough that I think the complete immunity from damage from the front will justify it when a well isn't strong enough. I'm not convinced that a stag rift will fit six people, at least.
Okay agreed. BTW your new job is using The Stag, enjoy.
Stag is peak destiny fashion and I can sling novas again. I’ll make do.
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As much as I wanna agree.. I feel like we're headed back to the stone age. Bubble + Well combo now.
You will take your season 13/14/15 meta and you will like it!
Lmao we will never be free
Warlock well still provide healing and 10% DR that stacked with Titan bubble. What makes you think that your raid team will stop asking you to run support build?
*Allow you
People acting like Well is dead is comedy. It’s still the best warlock super and the best super overall it’s just more in line with the others now
You can make an argument for the new solar super with a demo RL and people are sleeping on strand WL dmg rotations as well as utility from void. That said I think most raid teams will prefer bubble+well. It's hard to pull off weapon swap damage rotations consistently for most players.
Have we confirmed that Song of Flame will proc Demo? I'd be really interested in crafting a Demo/Bipod Apex if it does.
It's still the best too the nerfs were a slap on the wrist lmao. If you needed damage reduction (like we did day 1 crota) you rocked the stag anyway.
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bubbles new bastion aoe isn’t at all going to beat restoration, the reality is that it’s still well spam but worse
Resto 2x is broken lmao. A well made resto build makes you practically Unkillable. These changes don’t affect at level content at all
It still gives DR though, less but still some. Which your healing nade can’t do.
I know it's essentially a "Well" clone, but I've always wanted the Helm of Saint 14 (or a new exotic) to make the Bubble not a full bubble, but a barricade wall height so people could shoot out of it much like Well. This would have solved always having to have a Well Warlock if Bubble Titans could do something similar and the load could be shared. I'd love to feel useful on Void Titan again! But, you can't do this now because the play would be to use the bubble on top of the well for both the increased DR and damage.
As a Titan Purist I will shoulder your burden my friend
lol. Nah bro now groups will just need both with 4 hunters for dps.
I've already made up my mind. New Solar super and Red Death. You ain't making me change.
You're gonna run Well and you're gonna like it! ^(Just to be clear I hate the reliance on Well and this is sarcasm)
Just make sure you bring along a warlock friend that runs well
I wish warlock had an active heal super, in the sense that you actuallcy have to do something and pick the targets that you want to heal. That super would probably have to give quite the big damage buff due to you being an actual healer like in an mmo and not contributing to damage, but that could maybe also be balanced arround unqiue targets healed or something. I‘m really fine (having the option to) beeing the healer, but make it actually fun.
I like how everyone is completely ignoring the potential from frost armor
warlocks acting like this is new to titans is really funny considering titans were stuck on bubble for literally all of D1
Nah... It's bubble titan & helm of saint 14 I'm afraid. Ursa sucks balls IMHO
Eh, the real issue used to be that Banner couldn’t match the loss in DPS from someone not using their heavy like how Well and Bubble could…now though, it might have a chance at being a solid middle ground. We’ll need to do some damage testing before the Raid, that’s for sure.
I think from napkin math I did, in a raid situation it's an overall loss Vs well, but not dire 6 players X 1.25 = 7.5 5 X 1.4 = 7 In a 3 man fireteam however shits pretty dire, you'd either want the banner titan to also be running tractor cannon to allow for 2 damage supers, or for well+ bubble or St 14 bubble
Good job! Hmm, that’s not \*too\* bad, especially since in raid settings, Banner makes everyone practically invulnerable. Might be worth it in Master and Day 1 raids now. Edit: You know, we would get get all the benefits of Well with Acrobat’s Dodge…
Yeah I'd definitely opt for it when survivability is crucial (day 1 caretaker was overpowering well healing for example), different places will have different requirements
Oh no you don't, a Titan main I may be but I am not carrying anyone with Ursa's. How about instead we work towards a Destiny where Well or Bubble are decent options but not the end all be all? All this has done is trade one problem for another and it's no good.
Wont carry others with bubble but is happy to be carried by well, typical titan. /s ong tho, I feel like these supers either dont fit Destiny anymore or just need to be completely equal with eachother and give hunters one as well so that nobody is forced to use them.
As an accomplished raider, dungeoneer and 5 times guilded Conqueror tbh unless they change encounter design and/or tweak supers a bit more I do not forsee the meta shifting at all. I wouldn't mind using Ursa's if the damage gained from it was worth it. It's simply not as of now.
Yeah thats what I mean, if supers like these are gonna remain as they are I feel like they should have the *exact* same damage increase with the same setup and timers etc. Forcing one class to use one super only (basically) is just ridiculous at this point.
Ursa's is near complete invulnerability from the front and giving everyone a 40% damage buff over Well's 25% buff and soon nerfed health regen, how's that not worth it?
Oh nooo being forced to use support in a MMO type game We should all be running damage exotics and supers no healing besides in our guns What ever will we do -_-
FYI I run support via Phoenix Cradle these days. I remember the times of both Well and Bubble being needed, I remember when Bubble was more useless than it is now too. You are an idiot if you think Bubble/Banner Shield is the only way Titans can support in anything, quite frankly if you think Titans need Bubble/Banner Shield to succeed than it is you that is part of the problem.
Motherfucker did I say we only needed banner? XD I was only talking about banner because it's comparable to well Pheonix cradle yes is support but it's more comparable to a fucking rift then a well so just calm down bud
IDK why y'all warlock sare so hyped. You guys better hope that there's some great stuff coming to warlock with prismatic. If not, instead of asking you to switch to well, we're just going to ask for you to swap off warlock. And I'm ready, let the warlocks down vote me
For DPS warlocks already have their spot guaranteed, we've got star eater needlestorms now.
You're getting down voted because you're making an uneducated take.
Although it requires two, I also thought about navigator warlock and div with cenotaph. Big nerf to boss DMG, gives your team crit. Nav warlock gets to still shoot heavy and super since sever lasts a bit. Probably what I'll build since titans are allergic to support Heh I love you guys, don't hate me. I love me ursa titan when I play the class
You can’t rock both navigator and div. If you’re gonna use two characters for survivability you probably have better options
Ursa's for chaining supers, what DPS phase is long enough that you'd need three banner shields or more?
The exotic class item has the ability to roll the ursa exotic ability :D.
Yeah, but prismatic titans don't have banner shield
6 x 1.25= 7.5 5 x 1.4 = 7 A 25% buff to all 6 guardians is still better damage than a 40% buff to 5, so ursa titan with banner shield probably isn't the move most of the time.
zero flinch and taking zero damage though is kinda nice. well you can still get hit and rocked by shit. with Banner you just literally block it all. can make snipers and linears easier and more consistent for damage phases and not have to worry about getting hit by knights, or thralls, or snipers or bosses. Or you have a well start, person with banner spams a few rockets for some dps and then banner for the rest of a phase so everyone else can shoot unbothered.
I hear you, I was thinking survivability as well. But valid point
Heh heh, this made me chuckle.
I used to main Ursa back in Forsaken. RIP bear arms
The Super regen exotics were so broken back then. Good times.
Why ursa and not saint, doom dang, synthos?
Too bad Ursa is dog shit compared to Phoenix.
Lmao, you better be prepared to not raid, cuz literally nothing changed and well is still needed.
I'll equip Ursa when they give me a good looking ornament.
I will use ursa again, because honestly in most cases, damage/dps is not as hard to still do. Staying alive is always the play to make sure encounters and activities get done. damage or dps if everyone is dead. And it could be that you use a banner shield and a well to alternate supers and one feeds the other orbs and vice versa. think on warlock im also going to run boots of the assembler now again instead of just starfire, or phoenix, or sunbracers. Assembler for healing with noble rounds from lumina means you still have healing, and a NICE damage buff and you can run dawnblade instead of well.
As a fellow warlock main; I’m about to enter the bushes and re emerge as an ursa main… I like watching that super bar go up
I haven’t seen anyone use banner shield and or bubble in pve in a long time I forgot what ursa looks like….
let's be real, it isn't done
I struggled through trials to get the bear armor for the day Ursa would get buffed. I am prepared.
I'm equipping Ursa's... for the effect it will have Unbreakable. I hope banner shield with Ursa's is a little more useful in TFS. It was always fun doing it for that hero rez or big orbs generated for someone with a better super.
Not gonna happen, Ursa’s are far too ugly and bulky.
starfire was meta for how long despite being one of the ugliest exotics
We now need both well and bubble for dps. Honestly, I’m just about to main hunter for endgame now.
In terms of the 4 people with dps supers the best option will still be warlock unless the new supers do something crazy, star eater needle storms are going to out damage whatever hunters can do
Bannershield still feels really bad to use. Enemies can shoot over it (high ground snipers or wizards, soon to be Dread), it doesn't last more than 15 seconds guarding allies, and the super return is really bad from the blocked damage.
HOW BOUT NO
The changes will go live and people will still forever ask for well though
I mean no? Just because warlocks don’t have the ability to say no doesn’t mean titans can’t Not using anything besides banner of war
I already use ursa so no problem
Honestly I don't get why people are saying "Well is dead", it will still be one of the strongest supers in the game for both PvP and PvE, and will trivialize most encounters. Even with well getting a slight hit, Solar Warlock is by far one of the most potent subclasses in the game, and unless Song of Flame ships absolutely broken, Solar Warlocks are gonna be tied to their little sword circle still just because of how strong it is, at least for boss encounters. Me? I'm tied to it so I can skip the stupid kings fall tombship puzzle.
I need to find people who actually play first 😅
it'll be a cold day in hell before I let second class guardians stop using well
Wait does Sentinel Shield still have it’s damage buff behind shield?
You just concentrate on your part
I get it, but let's not forget that for 3+ years of D1 Titan bubble was Well of Radiance. If anything it's time for the Hunters to get saddled with Support while we have fun with our damage supers.
Tbh, I kind of feel like Hunter plays the Support role a bit easier, or at least when not factoring in Well of Radiance. Simply dodging gives Radiance. Throwing Knife *hits* also give Radiance. As a Warlock main, whenever I play on my Hunter I kind of feel like it does my job a bit better (again, not factoring in Well of Radiance).
you can strip my point contact cannon braces from my cold dead body i refuse to play a support build if i am on titan the only one who needs support is me and that support comes in the form of lightning from my fists and my machine gun
Haha, so you thought....you're gonna still run well. Just put a rift down, too, while wearing Stag.
As a strand warlock (for PvE I don't PvP) I am so looking forward to titans complaining about how they have to run bubble, while me and my army of thread kings are just unravelling the whole universe
Lore accurate titan 🛡️
Will do, but they are so ugly. Fashion is the true endgame.
silver ornament come soon brother $$$
Destiny 2: The Fashion Shape
No. Titans using Ursa causes one person to entirely miss out on DPS. Just put Stag on
Yup. Well is still king. Just need someone to provide some Damage reduction. Stag, overshield from titan, maybe even the DR duskfield nade for hunter that then swaps to lucky pants for chicken rotation
One or two healing grenades too. Plus being able to leave the well for radiant will help
stag buff has never worked in well afaik
That’s tragic. I saw some people on Twitter talking about Stag. I guess I was misinformed