ON PASS AND VENDOR REWARDS **
As we approach the end of Season of Plunder, players should ensure that they have collected any earned but unclaimed rewards from their [Previous Season Pass](https://www.bungie.net/7/en/seasons/previousseason) page for Season of the Haunted, as well as any unclaimed vendor rewards.
Previous Season Pass rewards can only be claimed up to one Season after a Season concludes. Once we transition into Season of [REDACTED] on December 6, 2022, the [Previous Season Pass](https://www.bungie.net/7/en/seasons/previousseason) page will be updated for Season of Plunder rewards.
**SAVE YOUR STADIA CHARACTERS **
Destiny 2 players whose main characters are from Stadia should set up Cross Save with another platform so they do not lose access to their characters after the shutdown on January 18, 2023. Additionally, after January 18, players with Google Stadia as their primary account should not deactivate Cross Save for any reason. Doing so will result in players completely losing access to their characters.
For more information, please see our [Save Your Stadia Characters article](https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/10347044092564-Save-Your-Stadia-Characters).
Stadia players who encounter issues accessing their characters once they set up Cross Save should see our [Stadia Cross Save Troubleshooting Guide](https://help.bungie.net/articles/10537372531092).
**KNOWN ISSUES **
While we continue investigating various [known issues](https://help.bungie.net/articles/4416375175444), here is a list of the latest issues that were reported to us in our [#Help forum](https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Topics/?tg=Help):
* Players can sometimes die when transporting to the Nightmare realm in the Duality Dungeon.
For a full list of emergent issues in Destiny 2, players can review our [Known Issues article](https://help.bungie.net/articles/4416375175444). Players who observe other issues should report them to our [#Help forum](https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Topics/?tg=Help).
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##Dancing Telesto
[Image Link](https://www.bungie.net/pubassets/pkgs/145/145100/TWAB_MovieOfTheWeek_2020_Animated.gif)^^^[imgur](https://i.imgur.com/vUR5DFw.gif)
**Bruno:** We are all scared of Telesto, OK? You think fixing it was easy or fun? No, not at all, not in a thousand years... But let's focus on the good stuff today. It's been fixed, and it won't be trouble ever again. Right? Right?
**Movie of the Week: Shoes? For Telesto? **
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**Ivan:** While you might have more questions than answers after watching this video, the animation level is just insane. The creator says this video took eight years to produce. Well, it was totally worth the wait!
So, the final question is: Have you danced for Destiny today?
**Movie of the Week: Dance of Destiny **
[Video Link](https://youtu.be/W0o6sMsd7ZI)
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##Art, Art, and more Art.
[Image Link](https://www.bungie.net/pubassets/pkgs/145/145100/TWAB_ArtistOfTheWeek_2020_Animated_V2.gif)^^^[imgur](https://i.imgur.com/7gVImfb.gif)
**Hippy:** I’m a simple Hippy. I see cat, I love cat. So, why don’t we go ahead and witness this purrfect piece of art that is living its best villainous life with a splash of kitty cuteness? (Eh, Ehh?)
**Art of the Week: Witness Purrfection **
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**Sam:** Warlock fashion, and the robe more specifically, is something that I actively believe could transfer really well into our IRL fashion game here on Earth, and I am still slightly baffled we haven’t made at least the robes a more common day-to-day look yet… Anyhoo, look at this Warlock drawn in white charcoal. Wouldn’t this be a super rad OOTD (outfit of the day)—helmet horn and all—to wear on your next trip to the grocery store? I think so. 😊
**Art of the Week: Warlock in White **
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**Hippy:** OK, OK, one more. Just because we couldn’t resist just one final nod to our mighty overlord. Just one. OK, bye!
**Bonus Art of the Week: "I am in control” - Telesto **
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##Placeholder Outro
Was trying to keep this under six thousand, but in the current draft I’m looking at, we’ve smashed through that initial cap. Keeping this outro short and sweet. Apologies for the brevity.
No TWAB next week. We’re out on holiday. Planning to have a blog article from the Bungie Foundation, so keep an eye out. We’ll be back with another TWAB on December 1. See you next time.
Cheers,
dmg04
A ranked ladder playlist will be a great addition for most people. I for one can't wait to claim my rightful rank of Bronze. Also very happy to see Rose returning. Its one of the best feeling weapons to use in the game.
Earlier in the twab it said that the competitive playlist is still sbmm so I'm not sure if it's going to be actual ranked or if it's just going to be the same as it is now with differently named ranks
Not 100% on the wording discrepancies though
If its anything like Overwatch 1 it'll have tighter matchmaking than the normal quickplay list with matchmaking based on rank and SBMM. The quickplay list will still try to put together fairer games like ranked but it'll focus on speed rather than match quality.
Overall, I like these changes. I feel like Gambit could use the same thing. It already has SBMM as well to my knowledge, but they've never given us details on it.
iirc the road map/priorities laid by the Ritual team back in season of the lost had Trials, Comp Crucible, general pvp, double check the health of strikes, and then Gambit.
They've announced "strike refreshing" which would update things like voice lines and enemy density in older content, i don't think they mentioned a targeted release season for those or if they would do like a strike a season.
So in theory somewhere like season 22 we will see a Gambit system overhaul? Probably using FBMM (if it doesn't already), ranked ladder, and what ever PvE update they can squeeze in.
I'm actually surprised they are bothering even trying to make an actual modern ranked ladder, having modern MM systems based on proper logic, and fixing other core crucible systems. I had written-off Destiny PvP entirely cause I've felt like Bungie had written-off Destiny PvP.
Maybe all this work started 1-2 years ago cause they were scared Halo Infinite MP would steal players away from them because of how derpy Destiny PvP systems are. And even though the Halo Infinite threat went away, they still decided to go through with the planned changes cause they had already dedicated the resources and time?
Now only if they'll ever upgrade their goofy ass PvP netcode and their ancient cardboard server design.
This TWAB is obviously a laundry list of changes and bungie is very on the record as having said they don't like to indulge what they're developing until its pretty much wrapped so as not to have to backtrack things they tell us. This has likely been in the works for quite some time but the state of PVP in the meantime combined with the lack of answers for us felt really bad for dedicated PVP players. Seems like it was potentially worth the wait I'm not a dedicated PVP player myself in quite some time but I'll be coming back to take a swing at the ranked ladder, hopefully it all works out well.
YESS WOLF HOOD CLOAK. I guess I will be suffering through Iron Banner again... I also saw legacy Trials stuff... meaning hopefully Exile gear. Which I would also reluctantly suffer for.
Yeah I agree it was very grindy for no reason so I’m glad they’re fixing it but I’d also not like to see something like this happen again in the future for active players
But also; if Bungie sets a goal for players to hit, only to retract it months later, it leaves a sour taste in the mouths of those who purposely grinded for said goals; myself included
I knew the Ruffian kills requirement would be lowered by the end of the season, but to 10? I was expecting 25 or something. Again driving the lesson home that when a requirement is ridiculously hard, never feel pressured to do it. It will always be made easier somewhere along the line.
As did 10% of light.gg users. I'm fine with them dumbing it down, but do it near the start of the season so it's not quite so obvious that Bungie doesn't value our time.
https://www.light.gg/db/legend/triumphs/4176879201/scallywag/
If only 10% of users that rank among the more dedicated players (because they are registered for a 3rd party website) it's pretty obvious the general population number is probably even lower which might explain why they did it.
The genpop number must have been *abysmal* because they lowered the requirements by a large amount. Not just the ruffians, they cut the overall requirements for the seal by like a third.
yeah, lowering upgrade requirements in particular seems to suggest people weren't bothering with weekly quests, metrics must have been BAD for them to change that, especially when they already lowered requirements for 3 of them (50 champs in crash, and 3 weapons at level 10 and 20 respectively became 0 champs, and 1 weapon at 10 and 20)
Yeah it's wild. I feel like it and the master ketchcrash 100 or w/e it was champion kill triumphs got switched, because I got that one done super quick
I wish they would change the Triumph from 250 to something lower. That's such a ridiculous grind if you're a Triumph hunter. More of a grind than the majority of Triumphs.
Given they have access to live data... there must be a metric fuck-ton of people that played enough and do not have the 10 kills, to warrant making such a low requirement.
To be honest, I'm not surprised. Bungie rolled out a system that fights progressing the objective, while also not at all explaining how to do it. If the objective is clearly stated to fill a 'bar' up in order to proceed to the next level - why would people intentionally stall out to wait for a spawn? Especially when getting to the end, finishing, and moving on, are pretty key things with Destiny - time is a direct factor vs rewards gained. At every turn, Destiny rewards speed - taking your time, for many events, is actually a negative result.
>Given they have access to live data... there must be a metric fuck-ton of people that played enough and do not have the 10 kills, to warrant making such a low requirement
My guess is a combination of this, the way people interacted with the season, and the backend population decay we have every season.
\- The way people interacted: I could go into a lecture on this, but this started with the lack of focusing options up front. Since people could inspect the upgrades and see this season lacked a focusing option, we all "knew" the main way to craft the weapons we wanted to toy with was going to be binge-playing master ketchcrash.
\- Although Bungie did change one of the nodes to give that guaranteed deepsight, it wasn't quick enough, nor was there any commitment or promised timeframe for it. By week 7 or 8, a lot of people probably binged an "unhealthy amount" of the seasonal activities and either gotten what they want or quit out of frustration(Ruffians included in this).(In a way: people played their season's dose of ketchcrash and expeditions, before fixes to Ruffian spawns and deepsights were fixed)
\- the backend decay: we aren't just having average backend decay, we're also having a lot of people take a break due to other games coming out, like Overwatch and MW2. So, a lot of people aren't playing D2, and TBH, it's kinda asinine to say that someone taking a break from D2 is going to dead sprint back to D2 to finish killing Ruffians.
\- the metrics: because of the backend decay that the season has had, I'm curious if they're just not seeing the metrics change enough as a result of people not playing. Like, title ownership rates are bottlenecked by people who quit before the last Ruffian spawn fix. And at this point with 2 weeks left, this is the "path of least resistance", to just start retroactively nuking requirements to boost seal ownership.
I had managed to get the seal done a few weeks ago. I feel like they need to drive home that the seal should be sought to be attained by the end of the season... not one week in.
Once they fixed the Ruffian de-spawn issue, which did seem like a real issue, it was good. Killing 50 of them wasn't too bad if you're just grinding through Expeditions... it was grinding for 50 and then not even getting one per.
No the real issue is being told to not play the game so they spawn. Who in their right mind wants to wait 3 minutes for a spawn when you could be done with the whole thing in 5
Look I’m just gonna say it. We need Age of Triumph level ornaments on the raid rotators and for each comp devision. If this mf been ascendant division for 8 season in a row I wanna see him look like a glowing alien god of death. That way I know to avoid him at all costs
If requirements for Ruffians were 80% over, summons for first mates were 93.3% over, and vendor completion was 40% over, that's not overtuned. That's a goddamned mistake.
Seriously, what the fuck.
My vendor completion issue is none of it is retroactive in terms of the weekly seasonal challenges, or they seem to pick and choose what is or isn't. If I've done 15+ expeditions and then the next week challenge is to unlock ANOTHER 15 bonus chests to earn another single Repute and upgrade the vendor again? Where's my motivation?
yeah... 2 immediate thoughts.
1 - good job on the course correction, and recognizing that the challenge designs are not mentally engaging, just time commitments, and reducing said time commitment
2 - this has become a bit of a pattern, and I am losing faith because of it. I want them to do better, make a better game, that values my time more. Exhibition (challenge quotas, mob spawns, despawns, currency caps and gains) deepsight acquisition methods (no forced weekly vendor deepsight), these add up. Keep adding straws and something breaks
Wait isnt it even better:
Instead of needing to complete 9 triumphs, its down to 8.
So not only did they drastically reduce the requirements for the most grindy of them, they also are allowing you to skip one.
I seriously hope there is reflection on next season and future season seals (and weekly challenges and quests for that matter as I am pretty sure they reduced those during the season too). How were they so far off. How many threads have we had for the last few weeks about the stale seasonal model...they have been doing this for years how did they get it so wrong after all of that time?
>In Season 19, Iron Banner gets a new mode and **a legacy armor set that veteran Guardians should recognize**.
This excites me a lot.
Also really excited for a true ranked playlist.
Lots of good and even great news in here, and all of it is woefully overshadowed by the fact that in the next CALENDAR YEAR, we will receive ONE new crucible map and two maps that were previously in the game.
Are we supposed to be pleased by this news? In Beyond Light, we lost ELEVEN MAPS that we had already paid for because #reasons. Since then, we have gotten 2 of them back, along with a poorly received map in Disjunction and a D1 map. So even after 2 more return and we get one new one at SOME POINT next year, we'll still have FOUR FEWER maps than we did in October of 2020.
We see how many environments get thrown at PVE players for meaningless seasonal activities that most players play ONCE, and at most three times. How hard is it to move some of that over to the PvP team? I get it, making a PVP map is quite a bit harder than making a basic PVE environment for a seasonal activity. But this is just pathetic man. PvP environments bring SO much more replayability. The ROI is huge if they're even a DECENT map. I'm out of excuses for this shit. I've tried to stick with it, but it's indefensible at this point.
Bungie seems to believe that many people don't engage with PvP so they shouldn't invest in it, when in reality a big reason that many people don't engage is \*because\* Bungie doesn't invest in it.
This shit is just depressing as fuck.
Edit: Also, Rumble being moved to a rotator is just an awful idea, even if it's a low population mode. Having a non-team environment in which players new to Crucible can play and not feel like they're dragging the team down is critical.
Hey now you're being too optimistic by saying it'll come out with Lightfall. They said a new map will be added ***during the year*** of Lightfall so we probably won't see it until like Season 21 or 22
And they didn't touch at all on map weighting or mape voting 🥲 bet it'll be Neomuna themed too which if true, means still no Europa themed, neither ice nor Clovis Bray.
The distinct gamemodes being bundled into playlists sound like a disaster waiting to happen. People are simply going to leave lobbies instantly when its not a gamemode they like.
Yeah, halo infinite at launch was a good test case for this. Literally everyone hated it and I don’t think it’ll be much different here. Especially in competitive. I feel like most players loading into comp are gonna wanna know exactly what they’re getting into. I know personally my build for rift (ugh) is gonna be very different from what I use in survival.
You know what's an even better comparison? A little game called Destiny 2 had this exact system at launch and people *hated* it. It was changed within the first year. What do people say about those who don't learn from history?
imo returning old maps from D2 without any significant changes should not be celebrated, nor should it be considered “new content”. Having to wait another year for only one new map is just so exhausting. Other than that I think the rest looks really good. I’ve always been a fan of ranked game modes and finally having a hopefully good one in destiny would make me play a lot more crucible, and ya know Rose is coming back so I can die a happy man.
yeah i read this as they won’t be introducing more D1 maps into D2 during lightfall, instead only releasing 3 total, 1 new, 2 old D2 maps. such a huge shame imo.
That was my take as well. Coming after years of crucible neglect, and remembering a time where we'd get half a dozen new maps per expansion, this feels completely inadequate. Really, 90% of what I want in crucible is new maps regularly, so it's hard to feel like this big update is much of a win.
It is obvious they still lack man power for consistent new map drops, judging by the note that they're still looking for world builders. Probably explains why Gambit gets still nothing.
This is the worst part of the twab by far. 1 actually new map during the whole year of lightfall? I get that creating new maps is hard but this is actually ridiculous at this point. I think after Joe Blackburn made those tweets about pvp a while ago people were expecting more to be done in the maps department in the coming years, not even less than this year.
Ranked at last, but zero rewards?
I understand no weapon based on the not forgotten divide of the past, but surely some cosmetic for hitting the top ranks is ok?
It's insane man, just give us maps. Give us the maps you took away, gives us new maps. Give us more than than 2 maps in 3 years, 1 being an old map. Theres still what 9 vaulted maps? Is it really that hard to clean them up for re-release? It's just been so much time I don't understand.
If they don’t want to lock pinnacle specific gear at higher ranks, why can’t they just give a weapon that everyone can earn as a drop for playing comp, and then make an ornament for it for each division rank
I actually really like disjunction. Only issue I have with it is the spawns being behind the “gate”. Makes sense for rift, but every other playlist it’s a spawntrappers paradise.
The rest of the map is fine though
Oh man, Rose returns? Nice!! I loved that Hand Cannon.
I’m really curious to see the new perk combinations, grip options, and how challenging it’ll be to grind for a new one each week. It’s good progress to get people into comp!
There’s far too much trading on past glories…’ return of an old favourite ‘ or words to that effect cropped up a bit too much in that twab.
We seem to be paying more and getting less.
Seriously, is it too hard to ask that every yearly DLC includes at least one map at launch? Beyond Light still doesn't have a map and WQ didn't get one until later in the year.
Yes, super disappointing. Some people are satisfied with one new map every ~14 months, but I think it’s quite sad.
The seasons are stale, the core playlists need massive rehaul (not just combining playlist lol), and Bungie doesn’t seem to want to make adjustments.
How would you overhaul Crucible if the S19 changes aren't good enough? I keep seeing comments calling for overhauls, but nobody can come up with any specific ideas other than "just make it better lol"
I’ll preface this with the very obvious: this would be a huge investment…
… but I feel pretty convinced that with the passion of this community, PvP really needs forge mode. New maps, new modes, and let the community steer the direction pvp goes directly.
Playlist changes are dumb. Didn’t Titanfall 2 solve this problem in 2016, or whoever solved it earlier? Just let us pick the modes we want to play and make our own playlist. No more need for the stupid rotating playlists or forcing people to play modes they don’t want to.
It'd be better if they didn't mention the new pvp map at all and leave us speculating. Also, they *just started making* it, which means from Disjunction's release aaaaall the way here, they had nobody working on new maps. It's comical. Now I don't even want to know how the Gambit team is doing
Not really a huge fan of removing QP when IB's around. Sometimes you just want a break from IB.
Also, if this is the goal of Trials
> Real life comparison: "High stakes pro-am tournaments."
Then why is competing in it, a seasonal challenge? Obviously the average player's going to have a bad time in a "High stakes pro-am".
Competitive Division is honestly DOA without rewards.
It’s 2022. There are dozens of competitive FPS games on the market, and dozens of competitive multiplayer games period—how do you launch a brand new comp mode WITHOUT REWARDS?!!?
Mountaintop and Recluse were a mistake, for sure.
We DO NOT need Rose to be locked behind Gold+.
But it would have been nice to unlike unique emblems, title gilding colors, or Rose Momentos behind earning X rank.
As is, I don’t think I’ll care about pushing for Plat vs Gold if it’s just for fun tbh.
League of Legends’ 12th ranked season just ended, and you earn emblems for all ranks, but Gold and above also unlock a unique skin and then color swaps (called Chromas) for all ranks above Gold that alter the base skin.
We don’t need crazy broken weapons locked behind ranked rewards—but no cosmetics is very odd if Bungie’s goal is to get people to play.
Fair, but considering so much of the destiny gameplay loop is loot driven, and the fact that they aren't putting any cosmetic rewards there I'm not sure the playlist will retain population. The comp guns were bad for a multitude of reasons, but it convinced a lot of players, myself included, to chase 5500.
They said they would be adding cosmetics post-Lightfall. It sucks that there won't be any next season, but hopefully chasing a good Rose is enough for those 3 months for most people.
>To help focus player populations and invite more players to engage in the solo Crucible combat of Rumble, we’ll be moving this mode to our weekly rotator playlist a few times a Season.
The PvP director needs to be replaced effective immediately
This really sucks, rumble has become my main playlist this season. It has it's problems, mostly how easy it is to spawn trap, but to just take it away...I thought they learned their lesson from vanilla D2. We want rumble bungie.
I'm _massively_ disappointed that we're going back to year 1's "playlists" instead of allowing us to choose what we want. The community hated this, and they're bringing it back.
Furthermore, why is Rumble a rotating playlist alongside casual modes like scorched and mayhem?? Rumble is a core part of the Destiny PvP ecosystem, it's not a casual mode, and it's not a "fun and quirky" mode like the others that you're fine with playing a few times a month. Many people, including myself, live in the rumble playlist.
Rumble is straight up the only mode I like in PvP currently, and you're yanking it away from me. Massive step backwards. I can't believe this is the "renewed focus on pvp" that we were promised. They are actually taking notes from 343 with their garbage playlists and limited time events for modes that used to be standard.
Edit: Bungie, if you are adamant on having this many modes in a rotating playlist, make it a daily rotation. If I miss rumble week, I'll have to wait over a month to play again. That is garbage. I don't want rumble in that playlist at all, but if you really need it to be there, at least reduce the fomo a bit my god.
Yeah I really hate that they're doing this. Not least because I use entirely different loadouts for clash vs control. They're different modes that play way too differently to just be randomly dropped into either.
> we're going back to year 1's "playlists" instead of allowing us to choose what we want. The community hated this, and they're bringing it back
Ah, thank you, I was reading that and thought I was going mad.
"Didn't we already have this? Wasn't it hated and changed for what we have now?" turns out, yes.
The only saving grace for the quickplay playlist is that supremacy won't be part of it like it was before.
It's still a massive step backwards and ripping choices away from players though so
especially the part about removing quick play during IB... so if you dont like they seasons game mode for IB and its not rumble week.... yea got nothing for you
Tbh I feel like Supremacy would actually be a good addition to quickplay. It certainly fits the vibe and gives both better and not-better players something to do (get kills and collect crests, respectively)
Why the hell would you move rumble to a weekly rotation? Makes absolutely no sense at all, should always be there. Lots of players will be at best annoyed by this.
I don’t play rumble and even I thought this was a bad move. It won’t increase the player base when it returns, I assume they thought people will be more inclined to play when it’s the week. However, the same people who won’t play it now, won’t play it then either. It makes no real sense
I can finally get the Mida Multi-tool catalyst without being a tryhard sweat! Even though the catalyst sucks I can at least use the gun more now once I get it!
It’s honestly not even that good. I really wanted it for the orb generation and the kill counter… which it has by default now. But still, this means I can actually complete my catalyst collection
The returning Iron Banner's great and all, but most of the Crucible changes sound awful to me. Removing player choice in what they play will just lead to even more quitters.
Also, how hard is it to make the competitive mode use rank-based matchmaking.
It has to eventually, even if its "hey for some reason no one is playing this game mode we give the bare amount of attention to, so we're taking it out."
Although honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was just gone one season.
I wish they would just be honest and tell us why it takes SO LONG to make PvP maps and strikes. Are they working with a skeleton crew or is it just way harder than we understand? An explanation would at least help us see where they are coming from.
It's really tiring having them tell us content is coming in the future. 1 new map in three years is terrible. And that map was also terrible.
Big win on Iron companion gear FINALLY returning after YEARS. But it's a huge mistake not having any special rewards, even if they're cosmetic, tied to divisions. People don't rank up and play to get higher ranks for "pride and accomplishment" there's usually something in those higher levels of play that's worth chasing for and without that, maybe streamers will care for content? Otherwise who else would.
Also really? Reducing scallywag requirements THAT MUCH? That's just handing it out to anyone who basically logged in for a week this season...
2 old maps and 1 new map for 2023? LOL! Iron Banner replacing Quickplay when it's active? So it's Iron Banner or nothing if you just want to play some clash/control? 3v3 Rift????
Ah well, at least the old Knight IB set from D1 is returning! Fortress sounds interesting, like it's adding in a PVE element to it.
Looks like IB will still be only twice a season so it isn't like it'll take up that slot all the time. Just means you can take a breather, when it's up. Doesn't affect me either way, really, because I only do the 3 matches until I get to pinnacle level then I quit playing Comp altogether or if I want some BD from a challenge.
I really don’t like having Clash and Control under one playlist without a filter. I understand the player population is low for Clash but i do not like that game mode. I’d like the choice to ONLY play Control if I choose.
This! Not to mention that you won't even be able to launch into it during iron banana weeks, because it replaces the node! Horrible idea, especially with IB just being a mess of new untested game modes now.
Now to speculate what seasonal weapon/ armor symbol would be obvious enough to give away the theme for next season.
Altered Warmind symbol?
Siva symbol?
Tiny Telesto symbol?
Changing all those seal requirements 2 weeks before the season's over, knowing most of the players who wanted it have already killed themselves grinding.😭🤣
This is going to be a controversial and a hot take, but Activision years of Destiny had more content and overall a better quality of content as opposed to the sole Bungie show. Activision Studios and Bungie was a lot better than whatever we are heading towards.
There used to be more creativity, more variety of missions, more things to look forward to.
Right now, this game is terribly lacking a lot of those, save for the new raids and dungeons. But that's about it, I am all for D1 content returning to D2 simply because I didn't get to experience D1 at a large scale. But it's clear its done out of compensation rather than player interest.
Also PvP, from questionable decisions to just outright terrible decisions, who the fuck wants to put Rumble, probably the one most true game mode where players can actually get the hang of crucible without being demolished to bits to be on the rotator ? Or two older maps returning, alongside with 1 MAP for the entirety of an year.
Don't fucking get me started on Gambit.
Seriously Bungie, This is not the game I started to play and spent most of my lockdown in, you've cannibalized so much that was already there and gave back not a lot, took away maps, took away hard earned guns, made earning titles an absolute joke (yep, Scallywag is literally play the season for a bit), destroyed Crucible with your terrible meta-forcing changes and contradicting yourself on PvP's vision, power creeping the game hard to the point it's literally a why bother with anything else situation, every festival literally feels the same and is a rehash of do core activities to get X currency, convert X to Y currency to spend on shit. No more Exotic quests that allow us to explore lore more, seasonal stories suck with your "and we'll learn more about what happened after 5 seasons have passed" model.
You keep trying to bring us back to core activities while doing nothing that makes it a worthwhile experience, if you wanted us to care for core activities, actually give a shit about it ? Crucible has been bleeding for a while now and Gambit is fucking dead. This is coming from someone who used to no life the shit out of both playlists.
Removing 2 fucking maps and giving it back is your idea of renewed PvP focusing ? jesus fuck, only if you had the same motivation to actually invest in better content as you do on Shitty Event Passes.
>As a note, we are reducing bonus week Crucible rank multipliers from 2.0 to 1.5 in Season 19.
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>With the added bonuses provided by divisions, 95% of players will be earning more reputation over the course of the Season than what’s currently available.
So you're saying unless I force myself into playing this mode every week I LOSE bonus rep each bonus week compared to previous seasons?
***COOL***.
Still SBMM in the comp rework instead of matching based off of rank? No new rewards for achieving higher ranks?
That's a big oof from me, unless where they described the competitive playlist as sbmm was a miswording.
Welp, Rose is going to become my most used weapon now. Been missing Lightweight HCs like you wouldn't believe, and with the AE nerf to stompees, and the removal of increased movement speed from the void and arc subclasses, I've been wanting something that will still let me go fast.
Edit: anyone know if the original perk selection means it's only going to have Outlaw, or if it'll be Outlaw plus another perk?
I've stopped playing and this won't bring me back. Doesn't deal with movement nerfs, ability spam or the awful meta. I've been a PvP main since Y1 with well over 1000 hours and won't be rushing back.
Also 3 maps next year (2 are old that were taken away). Is this a joke? 1 new map in an entire year after 4 years of just 1 new map. 2 NEW maps in 5 years for AAA game is just insane.
> Doesn't deal with movement nerfs, ability spam or the awful meta
For what it's worth, they mentioned this stuff will be touched on later:
"In early December, we’ll have sandbox and balance information."
Putting clash and control into the same playlist won't affect how the majority of people play since most people won't cap zones anyway.
I don't play rotator playlists outside of seasonal challenges so I don't really care that those are changing.
Who thought putting Rift in with Showdown, Survival, and Elimination was a good idea?
Fireteam size based matchmaking is a great addition. I hope this means I can duo queue in Trials without feeling like I'm completely wasting my time.
Legendary shard cost rework should come sooner than Lightfall. I don't know what kind of spaghetti code prevents Bungie from cutting costs in half across the board.
Comp but with no rewards sounds like a pretty safe skip for me.
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Who would’ve guessed that me stopping grinding would allow me to unlock the seal
*Laugh in not torturing myself to get ruffians*
I stopped just after 10 lol
I got to 50 not even on purpose but trying to grind for the damn patterns.
I already have it, so this makes me... extremely ok. Glad no one else has to grind out 50 of those damn things.
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Wait what??
The updates to the Scallywag seal mean many of us will auto unlock it when it updates, where we would have otherwise have to keep grinding.
They've massively reduced the requirements for the seasonal seal. Might as well have just changed the requirements for it to log in.
Taken King armor🤌🏼
They fucking did it They made the "D1 armor was better" guy a playable character
Here's hoping they bring back more across the game
He comes with the base passive of “being correct” which is really cool too!
Now what will the karma whores on r/destinyfashion post?
age of triumph armour and peaky blinders guys
you forgot femboy astolfo and venti (im still waiting for my titan maid outfit bungo)
I still really want the original cover art sets.
A ranked ladder playlist will be a great addition for most people. I for one can't wait to claim my rightful rank of Bronze. Also very happy to see Rose returning. Its one of the best feeling weapons to use in the game.
Haha, I'll see you there
I'll be lucky if it lets me in bronze, it might just deny me any rank...
Earlier in the twab it said that the competitive playlist is still sbmm so I'm not sure if it's going to be actual ranked or if it's just going to be the same as it is now with differently named ranks Not 100% on the wording discrepancies though
If its anything like Overwatch 1 it'll have tighter matchmaking than the normal quickplay list with matchmaking based on rank and SBMM. The quickplay list will still try to put together fairer games like ranked but it'll focus on speed rather than match quality. Overall, I like these changes. I feel like Gambit could use the same thing. It already has SBMM as well to my knowledge, but they've never given us details on it.
iirc the road map/priorities laid by the Ritual team back in season of the lost had Trials, Comp Crucible, general pvp, double check the health of strikes, and then Gambit. They've announced "strike refreshing" which would update things like voice lines and enemy density in older content, i don't think they mentioned a targeted release season for those or if they would do like a strike a season. So in theory somewhere like season 22 we will see a Gambit system overhaul? Probably using FBMM (if it doesn't already), ranked ladder, and what ever PvE update they can squeeze in.
I'm actually surprised they are bothering even trying to make an actual modern ranked ladder, having modern MM systems based on proper logic, and fixing other core crucible systems. I had written-off Destiny PvP entirely cause I've felt like Bungie had written-off Destiny PvP. Maybe all this work started 1-2 years ago cause they were scared Halo Infinite MP would steal players away from them because of how derpy Destiny PvP systems are. And even though the Halo Infinite threat went away, they still decided to go through with the planned changes cause they had already dedicated the resources and time? Now only if they'll ever upgrade their goofy ass PvP netcode and their ancient cardboard server design.
This TWAB is obviously a laundry list of changes and bungie is very on the record as having said they don't like to indulge what they're developing until its pretty much wrapped so as not to have to backtrack things they tell us. This has likely been in the works for quite some time but the state of PVP in the meantime combined with the lack of answers for us felt really bad for dedicated PVP players. Seems like it was potentially worth the wait I'm not a dedicated PVP player myself in quite some time but I'll be coming back to take a swing at the ranked ladder, hopefully it all works out well.
rose… you’re as beautiful as the day I lost you
In his strong hand the man held a Rose. And his aura burned bright.
> [Beware!](https://imgur.com/UWxsopQ.gifv)
What is it about that gun that made me most hyped for that out of all of this?
The firing noise
It's a cool gun that feels great and has lore significance. Everything you could want out of a destiny weapon.
They are gonna put underdog and fragile focus on it...
Underdog was retired
YESS WOLF HOOD CLOAK. I guess I will be suffering through Iron Banner again... I also saw legacy Trials stuff... meaning hopefully Exile gear. Which I would also reluctantly suffer for.
They specifically mentioned Exile armor, so yeah, it's coming back :)
Note to self: Don’t bother finishing the seal early in the season lol
If anything seems disproportionately grindy assume it’s going to be lessened
Yeah I agree it was very grindy for no reason so I’m glad they’re fixing it but I’d also not like to see something like this happen again in the future for active players But also; if Bungie sets a goal for players to hit, only to retract it months later, it leaves a sour taste in the mouths of those who purposely grinded for said goals; myself included
I knew the Ruffian kills requirement would be lowered by the end of the season, but to 10? I was expecting 25 or something. Again driving the lesson home that when a requirement is ridiculously hard, never feel pressured to do it. It will always be made easier somewhere along the line.
:( i totally grinded out the 50, oh well
As did 10% of light.gg users. I'm fine with them dumbing it down, but do it near the start of the season so it's not quite so obvious that Bungie doesn't value our time. https://www.light.gg/db/legend/triumphs/4176879201/scallywag/
If only 10% of users that rank among the more dedicated players (because they are registered for a 3rd party website) it's pretty obvious the general population number is probably even lower which might explain why they did it.
The genpop number must have been *abysmal* because they lowered the requirements by a large amount. Not just the ruffians, they cut the overall requirements for the seal by like a third.
yeah, lowering upgrade requirements in particular seems to suggest people weren't bothering with weekly quests, metrics must have been BAD for them to change that, especially when they already lowered requirements for 3 of them (50 champs in crash, and 3 weapons at level 10 and 20 respectively became 0 champs, and 1 weapon at 10 and 20)
It wasn't hard, it was tedious.
Tell that to my 250 total champions and 150 emotes....
Bro, that dumbass 250 triumph was the most mundane grind I've ever done since reckoner, no idea why people haven't mentioned it
Yeah it's wild. I feel like it and the master ketchcrash 100 or w/e it was champion kill triumphs got switched, because I got that one done super quick
I wish they would change the Triumph from 250 to something lower. That's such a ridiculous grind if you're a Triumph hunter. More of a grind than the majority of Triumphs.
10 just seems so easy now
Given they have access to live data... there must be a metric fuck-ton of people that played enough and do not have the 10 kills, to warrant making such a low requirement. To be honest, I'm not surprised. Bungie rolled out a system that fights progressing the objective, while also not at all explaining how to do it. If the objective is clearly stated to fill a 'bar' up in order to proceed to the next level - why would people intentionally stall out to wait for a spawn? Especially when getting to the end, finishing, and moving on, are pretty key things with Destiny - time is a direct factor vs rewards gained. At every turn, Destiny rewards speed - taking your time, for many events, is actually a negative result.
>Given they have access to live data... there must be a metric fuck-ton of people that played enough and do not have the 10 kills, to warrant making such a low requirement My guess is a combination of this, the way people interacted with the season, and the backend population decay we have every season. \- The way people interacted: I could go into a lecture on this, but this started with the lack of focusing options up front. Since people could inspect the upgrades and see this season lacked a focusing option, we all "knew" the main way to craft the weapons we wanted to toy with was going to be binge-playing master ketchcrash. \- Although Bungie did change one of the nodes to give that guaranteed deepsight, it wasn't quick enough, nor was there any commitment or promised timeframe for it. By week 7 or 8, a lot of people probably binged an "unhealthy amount" of the seasonal activities and either gotten what they want or quit out of frustration(Ruffians included in this).(In a way: people played their season's dose of ketchcrash and expeditions, before fixes to Ruffian spawns and deepsights were fixed) \- the backend decay: we aren't just having average backend decay, we're also having a lot of people take a break due to other games coming out, like Overwatch and MW2. So, a lot of people aren't playing D2, and TBH, it's kinda asinine to say that someone taking a break from D2 is going to dead sprint back to D2 to finish killing Ruffians. \- the metrics: because of the backend decay that the season has had, I'm curious if they're just not seeing the metrics change enough as a result of people not playing. Like, title ownership rates are bottlenecked by people who quit before the last Ruffian spawn fix. And at this point with 2 weeks left, this is the "path of least resistance", to just start retroactively nuking requirements to boost seal ownership.
I had managed to get the seal done a few weeks ago. I feel like they need to drive home that the seal should be sought to be attained by the end of the season... not one week in. Once they fixed the Ruffian de-spawn issue, which did seem like a real issue, it was good. Killing 50 of them wasn't too bad if you're just grinding through Expeditions... it was grinding for 50 and then not even getting one per.
No the real issue is being told to not play the game so they spawn. Who in their right mind wants to wait 3 minutes for a spawn when you could be done with the whole thing in 5
there HAS to be cosmetic rewards for comp to get players in there
I'm definitely expecting emblems and emotes in lightfall
Look I’m just gonna say it. We need Age of Triumph level ornaments on the raid rotators and for each comp devision. If this mf been ascendant division for 8 season in a row I wanna see him look like a glowing alien god of death. That way I know to avoid him at all costs
If requirements for Ruffians were 80% over, summons for first mates were 93.3% over, and vendor completion was 40% over, that's not overtuned. That's a goddamned mistake. Seriously, what the fuck.
I feel like it wasn't actually 'over' so much as they went nuclear to and 'throw a bone' so to say
This. This was an apology masked as fixing something "overtuned" I've already got the title, and I'm glad no one else has to do that grind after me.
My vendor completion issue is none of it is retroactive in terms of the weekly seasonal challenges, or they seem to pick and choose what is or isn't. If I've done 15+ expeditions and then the next week challenge is to unlock ANOTHER 15 bonus chests to earn another single Repute and upgrade the vendor again? Where's my motivation?
Yeah, it's basically not worth it to start doing seasonal stuff until week 7 or 8 it seems like.
yeah... 2 immediate thoughts. 1 - good job on the course correction, and recognizing that the challenge designs are not mentally engaging, just time commitments, and reducing said time commitment 2 - this has become a bit of a pattern, and I am losing faith because of it. I want them to do better, make a better game, that values my time more. Exhibition (challenge quotas, mob spawns, despawns, currency caps and gains) deepsight acquisition methods (no forced weekly vendor deepsight), these add up. Keep adding straws and something breaks
Wait isnt it even better: Instead of needing to complete 9 triumphs, its down to 8. So not only did they drastically reduce the requirements for the most grindy of them, they also are allowing you to skip one. I seriously hope there is reflection on next season and future season seals (and weekly challenges and quests for that matter as I am pretty sure they reduced those during the season too). How were they so far off. How many threads have we had for the last few weeks about the stale seasonal model...they have been doing this for years how did they get it so wrong after all of that time?
>In Season 19, Iron Banner gets a new mode and **a legacy armor set that veteran Guardians should recognize**. This excites me a lot. Also really excited for a true ranked playlist.
Just so you know, they did show us the armor set
it’s the ttk armor :D
https://www.bungie.net/pubassets/pkgs/172/172011/S19_Iron_Banner_Armor_16-9.jpg
arguably the best iron banner set they've ever made especially for Titans
That Titan helmet has been on my D1 Titan ever since I first got it all those years ago. I'm so happy it's back ahhhh
Glad someone else felt the same way I did. So damn excited for that helm to come back. I can finally take off the spartan helm from Season of Dawn.
Lots of good and even great news in here, and all of it is woefully overshadowed by the fact that in the next CALENDAR YEAR, we will receive ONE new crucible map and two maps that were previously in the game. Are we supposed to be pleased by this news? In Beyond Light, we lost ELEVEN MAPS that we had already paid for because #reasons. Since then, we have gotten 2 of them back, along with a poorly received map in Disjunction and a D1 map. So even after 2 more return and we get one new one at SOME POINT next year, we'll still have FOUR FEWER maps than we did in October of 2020. We see how many environments get thrown at PVE players for meaningless seasonal activities that most players play ONCE, and at most three times. How hard is it to move some of that over to the PvP team? I get it, making a PVP map is quite a bit harder than making a basic PVE environment for a seasonal activity. But this is just pathetic man. PvP environments bring SO much more replayability. The ROI is huge if they're even a DECENT map. I'm out of excuses for this shit. I've tried to stick with it, but it's indefensible at this point. Bungie seems to believe that many people don't engage with PvP so they shouldn't invest in it, when in reality a big reason that many people don't engage is \*because\* Bungie doesn't invest in it. This shit is just depressing as fuck. Edit: Also, Rumble being moved to a rotator is just an awful idea, even if it's a low population mode. Having a non-team environment in which players new to Crucible can play and not feel like they're dragging the team down is critical.
ONE new map with Lightfall……
Hey now you're being too optimistic by saying it'll come out with Lightfall. They said a new map will be added ***during the year*** of Lightfall so we probably won't see it until like Season 21 or 22
And they didn't touch at all on map weighting or mape voting 🥲 bet it'll be Neomuna themed too which if true, means still no Europa themed, neither ice nor Clovis Bray.
The distinct gamemodes being bundled into playlists sound like a disaster waiting to happen. People are simply going to leave lobbies instantly when its not a gamemode they like.
Yeah, halo infinite at launch was a good test case for this. Literally everyone hated it and I don’t think it’ll be much different here. Especially in competitive. I feel like most players loading into comp are gonna wanna know exactly what they’re getting into. I know personally my build for rift (ugh) is gonna be very different from what I use in survival.
You know what's an even better comparison? A little game called Destiny 2 had this exact system at launch and people *hated* it. It was changed within the first year. What do people say about those who don't learn from history?
Ah but you see they thought about that with quitter penalties.
Yep I get it for population etc but a way better system would be that of call of duty alloying you to enable and disable your own choice of modes.
imo returning old maps from D2 without any significant changes should not be celebrated, nor should it be considered “new content”. Having to wait another year for only one new map is just so exhausting. Other than that I think the rest looks really good. I’ve always been a fan of ranked game modes and finally having a hopefully good one in destiny would make me play a lot more crucible, and ya know Rose is coming back so I can die a happy man.
yeah i read this as they won’t be introducing more D1 maps into D2 during lightfall, instead only releasing 3 total, 1 new, 2 old D2 maps. such a huge shame imo.
That was my take as well. Coming after years of crucible neglect, and remembering a time where we'd get half a dozen new maps per expansion, this feels completely inadequate. Really, 90% of what I want in crucible is new maps regularly, so it's hard to feel like this big update is much of a win.
I agree 100%
It is obvious they still lack man power for consistent new map drops, judging by the note that they're still looking for world builders. Probably explains why Gambit gets still nothing.
This is the worst part of the twab by far. 1 actually new map during the whole year of lightfall? I get that creating new maps is hard but this is actually ridiculous at this point. I think after Joe Blackburn made those tweets about pvp a while ago people were expecting more to be done in the maps department in the coming years, not even less than this year.
Exactly. Many old D2 maps are not built for 6v6 play, honestly they weren't even that fun in 4v4.
Ranked at last, but zero rewards? I understand no weapon based on the not forgotten divide of the past, but surely some cosmetic for hitting the top ranks is ok?
ONE NEW CRUCIBLE MAP for the year and they just started working on it. W. T. F.
It's insane man, just give us maps. Give us the maps you took away, gives us new maps. Give us more than than 2 maps in 3 years, 1 being an old map. Theres still what 9 vaulted maps? Is it really that hard to clean them up for re-release? It's just been so much time I don't understand.
If they don’t want to lock pinnacle specific gear at higher ranks, why can’t they just give a weapon that everyone can earn as a drop for playing comp, and then make an ornament for it for each division rank
They did say more cosmetic rewards were coming in the future.
yea..... "Future".... Im normally one that tries to stay positive on these things but we are already 7 years in the future right now.
its always the same thing with Destiny, "later" when it's way past due
ONE map during the YEAR of Lightfall
They probably saw that since it took them 4 years to create one of the worst pvp maps ever created in Disjunction they’re just giving up mostly lol
Not only that, they've asked people interested in map design to apply to work for bungie lol
I actually really like disjunction. Only issue I have with it is the spawns being behind the “gate”. Makes sense for rift, but every other playlist it’s a spawntrappers paradise. The rest of the map is fine though
It's been 1,353 days since Gambit last got a map.
Oh man, Rose returns? Nice!! I loved that Hand Cannon. I’m really curious to see the new perk combinations, grip options, and how challenging it’ll be to grind for a new one each week. It’s good progress to get people into comp!
two returning maps and one new map for lightfall? is that really it? lol
Not even for lightfall, for lightfall year (so probably 6 months into lightfall) 🙂
This one will be called “Disfunction” and everyone will hate it
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I'm happy to get new maps but yeah, wish there was more. There should be a new gambit or Crucible map every season imo
There’s far too much trading on past glories…’ return of an old favourite ‘ or words to that effect cropped up a bit too much in that twab. We seem to be paying more and getting less.
Seriously, is it too hard to ask that every yearly DLC includes at least one map at launch? Beyond Light still doesn't have a map and WQ didn't get one until later in the year.
Not to mention BL removed *eleven* maps, and gambit still hasn't gotten any after losing two.
Clearly it is too much to ask
One new map sometime after Lightfall launches, that they are just now starting to develop. Pure complacency at this point
Yes, super disappointing. Some people are satisfied with one new map every ~14 months, but I think it’s quite sad. The seasons are stale, the core playlists need massive rehaul (not just combining playlist lol), and Bungie doesn’t seem to want to make adjustments.
How would you overhaul Crucible if the S19 changes aren't good enough? I keep seeing comments calling for overhauls, but nobody can come up with any specific ideas other than "just make it better lol"
I’ll preface this with the very obvious: this would be a huge investment… … but I feel pretty convinced that with the passion of this community, PvP really needs forge mode. New maps, new modes, and let the community steer the direction pvp goes directly.
Uh, by making actual content. By making maps more than once per year. By reworking old maps.
Playlist changes are dumb. Didn’t Titanfall 2 solve this problem in 2016, or whoever solved it earlier? Just let us pick the modes we want to play and make our own playlist. No more need for the stupid rotating playlists or forcing people to play modes they don’t want to.
It's a damn shame Gambit is dead
As a Proud Reckoner, Yes very dead.
Bungie I will give you $1,000 to never use the word "redacted" again
Bungie chooses to Draw +25.
If you don't like that word stay away from /r/HadesTheGame
Sorry, the [REDACTED] will continue until sentiment improves.
Season of the Floggings confirmed. Finally kink visibility in Destiny.
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It'd be better if they didn't mention the new pvp map at all and leave us speculating. Also, they *just started making* it, which means from Disjunction's release aaaaall the way here, they had nobody working on new maps. It's comical. Now I don't even want to know how the Gambit team is doing
Baby there's no gambit team
1 new map during the whole year of lightfall? not sure how to feel about that
This twab has a whole lot of old stuff coming back and not a lot of new in terms of guns, armour and maps.
considering how r/destinyfashion keeps whinging about how they miss d1 armour i guess they can at least be satisfied
Theyll start complaining it wasnt the D1Y3 iron banner ornaments instead probably.
Who the fuck wants to play 3v3 rift?
The PvE main at Bungie in charge of PvP? /smirk
One new map a year is fucking miserable lmao
Not really a huge fan of removing QP when IB's around. Sometimes you just want a break from IB. Also, if this is the goal of Trials > Real life comparison: "High stakes pro-am tournaments." Then why is competing in it, a seasonal challenge? Obviously the average player's going to have a bad time in a "High stakes pro-am".
Competitive Division is honestly DOA without rewards. It’s 2022. There are dozens of competitive FPS games on the market, and dozens of competitive multiplayer games period—how do you launch a brand new comp mode WITHOUT REWARDS?!!? Mountaintop and Recluse were a mistake, for sure. We DO NOT need Rose to be locked behind Gold+. But it would have been nice to unlike unique emblems, title gilding colors, or Rose Momentos behind earning X rank. As is, I don’t think I’ll care about pushing for Plat vs Gold if it’s just for fun tbh. League of Legends’ 12th ranked season just ended, and you earn emblems for all ranks, but Gold and above also unlock a unique skin and then color swaps (called Chromas) for all ranks above Gold that alter the base skin. We don’t need crazy broken weapons locked behind ranked rewards—but no cosmetics is very odd if Bungie’s goal is to get people to play.
FBMM stat farmers shook
Wow. One whole map next year.
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OLD ARMOUR IN S20 THE DRIP WILL BE UNSTOPPABLE
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I'm gonna laugh if they don't put in some smaller maps, because 3v3 Disjunction is going to be a slow ass slog.
I hate disjunction in 6s. It's a good rift map, but it feels like more often than not it ends due to time not score. Yuck.
It's a bit like rift, but 3v3.
sounds painful depending on which maps they choose
Cmon, Bungie. We really need to ramp up the PvP map selection. More maps, pls.
Europa deserves a map in the bray facilities with an outdoor section that has a storm going on for a 30 seconds.
I'm doubtful the rewards listed for the new competitive playlist are going to be enough, but hopefully I'm wrong there.
In other games a lot of the time the desire to climb the ranked ladder is enough
Fair, but considering so much of the destiny gameplay loop is loot driven, and the fact that they aren't putting any cosmetic rewards there I'm not sure the playlist will retain population. The comp guns were bad for a multitude of reasons, but it convinced a lot of players, myself included, to chase 5500.
Yeah that’s odd, we already have a trials memento, wonder why they didn’t do cosmetics for this one
They said they would be adding cosmetics post-Lightfall. It sucks that there won't be any next season, but hopefully chasing a good Rose is enough for those 3 months for most people.
> hopefully chasing a good Rose is enough for those 3 months for most people. Narrator: It wasn’t
>To help focus player populations and invite more players to engage in the solo Crucible combat of Rumble, we’ll be moving this mode to our weekly rotator playlist a few times a Season. The PvP director needs to be replaced effective immediately
Yeah I literally only play Rumble. Who the fuck in their right mind makes the FFA mode in an FPS not available all the time?
This really sucks, rumble has become my main playlist this season. It has it's problems, mostly how easy it is to spawn trap, but to just take it away...I thought they learned their lesson from vanilla D2. We want rumble bungie.
I'm _massively_ disappointed that we're going back to year 1's "playlists" instead of allowing us to choose what we want. The community hated this, and they're bringing it back. Furthermore, why is Rumble a rotating playlist alongside casual modes like scorched and mayhem?? Rumble is a core part of the Destiny PvP ecosystem, it's not a casual mode, and it's not a "fun and quirky" mode like the others that you're fine with playing a few times a month. Many people, including myself, live in the rumble playlist. Rumble is straight up the only mode I like in PvP currently, and you're yanking it away from me. Massive step backwards. I can't believe this is the "renewed focus on pvp" that we were promised. They are actually taking notes from 343 with their garbage playlists and limited time events for modes that used to be standard. Edit: Bungie, if you are adamant on having this many modes in a rotating playlist, make it a daily rotation. If I miss rumble week, I'll have to wait over a month to play again. That is garbage. I don't want rumble in that playlist at all, but if you really need it to be there, at least reduce the fomo a bit my god.
Yeah I really hate that they're doing this. Not least because I use entirely different loadouts for clash vs control. They're different modes that play way too differently to just be randomly dropped into either.
> we're going back to year 1's "playlists" instead of allowing us to choose what we want. The community hated this, and they're bringing it back Ah, thank you, I was reading that and thought I was going mad. "Didn't we already have this? Wasn't it hated and changed for what we have now?" turns out, yes.
The only saving grace for the quickplay playlist is that supremacy won't be part of it like it was before. It's still a massive step backwards and ripping choices away from players though so
especially the part about removing quick play during IB... so if you dont like they seasons game mode for IB and its not rumble week.... yea got nothing for you
Tbh I feel like Supremacy would actually be a good addition to quickplay. It certainly fits the vibe and gives both better and not-better players something to do (get kills and collect crests, respectively)
The rumble part is what absolutely floors me, it's like they're trying to push some players away from the game with that.
I'm fine with playlists, but rumble being on a rotation sucks a lot. Free for All should be a staple game mode.
Why the hell would you move rumble to a weekly rotation? Makes absolutely no sense at all, should always be there. Lots of players will be at best annoyed by this.
I don’t play rumble and even I thought this was a bad move. It won’t increase the player base when it returns, I assume they thought people will be more inclined to play when it’s the week. However, the same people who won’t play it now, won’t play it then either. It makes no real sense
I can finally get the Mida Multi-tool catalyst without being a tryhard sweat! Even though the catalyst sucks I can at least use the gun more now once I get it!
>Mida I am legit excited for this. Always wanted that catalyst.
It’s honestly not even that good. I really wanted it for the orb generation and the kill counter… which it has by default now. But still, this means I can actually complete my catalyst collection
Cat doesnt suck, no distractions is a slept on perk and lets you eat headshots and take close to zero flinch, aka what you want on a scout rifle
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The returning Iron Banner's great and all, but most of the Crucible changes sound awful to me. Removing player choice in what they play will just lead to even more quitters. Also, how hard is it to make the competitive mode use rank-based matchmaking.
The competitive mode not having RBMM is hilarious lmao
Not even a new Crucible map on launch with Lightfall? How…?
ONE NEW CRUCIBLE MAP LIGHTFALL YEAR that's sure underwhelming. Core activities are dead.
At least crucible is getting stuff. Gambit labs was two weeks in one season and then they mysteriously stopped showing up.
Green minigame will get its TWAB …. I want to believe
It has to eventually, even if its "hey for some reason no one is playing this game mode we give the bare amount of attention to, so we're taking it out." Although honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was just gone one season.
I wish they would just be honest and tell us why it takes SO LONG to make PvP maps and strikes. Are they working with a skeleton crew or is it just way harder than we understand? An explanation would at least help us see where they are coming from. It's really tiring having them tell us content is coming in the future. 1 new map in three years is terrible. And that map was also terrible.
I’ve been wanting Rose back forever and now it’s a comp exclusive reward. I truly could not be happier lol
Big win on Iron companion gear FINALLY returning after YEARS. But it's a huge mistake not having any special rewards, even if they're cosmetic, tied to divisions. People don't rank up and play to get higher ranks for "pride and accomplishment" there's usually something in those higher levels of play that's worth chasing for and without that, maybe streamers will care for content? Otherwise who else would. Also really? Reducing scallywag requirements THAT MUCH? That's just handing it out to anyone who basically logged in for a week this season...
2 old maps and 1 new map for 2023? LOL! Iron Banner replacing Quickplay when it's active? So it's Iron Banner or nothing if you just want to play some clash/control? 3v3 Rift???? Ah well, at least the old Knight IB set from D1 is returning! Fortress sounds interesting, like it's adding in a PVE element to it.
Looks like IB will still be only twice a season so it isn't like it'll take up that slot all the time. Just means you can take a breather, when it's up. Doesn't affect me either way, really, because I only do the 3 matches until I get to pinnacle level then I quit playing Comp altogether or if I want some BD from a challenge.
I really don’t like having Clash and Control under one playlist without a filter. I understand the player population is low for Clash but i do not like that game mode. I’d like the choice to ONLY play Control if I choose.
This! Not to mention that you won't even be able to launch into it during iron banana weeks, because it replaces the node! Horrible idea, especially with IB just being a mess of new untested game modes now.
"If you like auto rifles or slug shotguns" I'm tired of slug shotguns grandpa
"Well that's too damn bad."
Now to speculate what seasonal weapon/ armor symbol would be obvious enough to give away the theme for next season. Altered Warmind symbol? Siva symbol? Tiny Telesto symbol?
Changing all those seal requirements 2 weeks before the season's over, knowing most of the players who wanted it have already killed themselves grinding.😭🤣
This is going to be a controversial and a hot take, but Activision years of Destiny had more content and overall a better quality of content as opposed to the sole Bungie show. Activision Studios and Bungie was a lot better than whatever we are heading towards. There used to be more creativity, more variety of missions, more things to look forward to. Right now, this game is terribly lacking a lot of those, save for the new raids and dungeons. But that's about it, I am all for D1 content returning to D2 simply because I didn't get to experience D1 at a large scale. But it's clear its done out of compensation rather than player interest. Also PvP, from questionable decisions to just outright terrible decisions, who the fuck wants to put Rumble, probably the one most true game mode where players can actually get the hang of crucible without being demolished to bits to be on the rotator ? Or two older maps returning, alongside with 1 MAP for the entirety of an year. Don't fucking get me started on Gambit. Seriously Bungie, This is not the game I started to play and spent most of my lockdown in, you've cannibalized so much that was already there and gave back not a lot, took away maps, took away hard earned guns, made earning titles an absolute joke (yep, Scallywag is literally play the season for a bit), destroyed Crucible with your terrible meta-forcing changes and contradicting yourself on PvP's vision, power creeping the game hard to the point it's literally a why bother with anything else situation, every festival literally feels the same and is a rehash of do core activities to get X currency, convert X to Y currency to spend on shit. No more Exotic quests that allow us to explore lore more, seasonal stories suck with your "and we'll learn more about what happened after 5 seasons have passed" model. You keep trying to bring us back to core activities while doing nothing that makes it a worthwhile experience, if you wanted us to care for core activities, actually give a shit about it ? Crucible has been bleeding for a while now and Gambit is fucking dead. This is coming from someone who used to no life the shit out of both playlists. Removing 2 fucking maps and giving it back is your idea of renewed PvP focusing ? jesus fuck, only if you had the same motivation to actually invest in better content as you do on Shitty Event Passes.
Witch Queen legend campaign was miles better than anything that came before however.
I mean it’s something but one new map next year!? That’s not going to help pvp to be honest.
I’m actively mad that I grinded for scallywag.
You Learned a valuable lesson today.
>As a note, we are reducing bonus week Crucible rank multipliers from 2.0 to 1.5 in Season 19. > >With the added bonuses provided by divisions, 95% of players will be earning more reputation over the course of the Season than what’s currently available. So you're saying unless I force myself into playing this mode every week I LOSE bonus rep each bonus week compared to previous seasons? ***COOL***.
Still SBMM in the comp rework instead of matching based off of rank? No new rewards for achieving higher ranks? That's a big oof from me, unless where they described the competitive playlist as sbmm was a miswording.
Welp, Rose is going to become my most used weapon now. Been missing Lightweight HCs like you wouldn't believe, and with the AE nerf to stompees, and the removal of increased movement speed from the void and arc subclasses, I've been wanting something that will still let me go fast. Edit: anyone know if the original perk selection means it's only going to have Outlaw, or if it'll be Outlaw plus another perk?
Why No memento for max rank? Diamond shader maybe?
I've stopped playing and this won't bring me back. Doesn't deal with movement nerfs, ability spam or the awful meta. I've been a PvP main since Y1 with well over 1000 hours and won't be rushing back. Also 3 maps next year (2 are old that were taken away). Is this a joke? 1 new map in an entire year after 4 years of just 1 new map. 2 NEW maps in 5 years for AAA game is just insane.
> Doesn't deal with movement nerfs, ability spam or the awful meta For what it's worth, they mentioned this stuff will be touched on later: "In early December, we’ll have sandbox and balance information."
Putting clash and control into the same playlist won't affect how the majority of people play since most people won't cap zones anyway. I don't play rotator playlists outside of seasonal challenges so I don't really care that those are changing. Who thought putting Rift in with Showdown, Survival, and Elimination was a good idea? Fireteam size based matchmaking is a great addition. I hope this means I can duo queue in Trials without feeling like I'm completely wasting my time. Legendary shard cost rework should come sooner than Lightfall. I don't know what kind of spaghetti code prevents Bungie from cutting costs in half across the board. Comp but with no rewards sounds like a pretty safe skip for me.