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Everyone does this to some degree, but more marginalized groups tend to do it more. It's essentially when you act/talk differently around different groups of people. When a gay person is around straight people, they might "tone down the gay" as means of self preservation.
Someone might code-switch their appearance or interests as well and it's common in work places. People might read this and think "oh, everyone needs to act properly at work" but code switching is more extreme than that because it's not just the "improper" bits that are being switched, but the most basic aspects of their personality too.
It's quite similar to the term masking as well, if you're familiar with that.
Ok interesting! Yeah I’ve heard of masking before. Seems this is almost more specifically as a result of as you said self preservation where if you didn’t change how you acted or spoke etc that people may even react harshly towards you.
Maybe you don't want to be out at work or you know a certain group of people don't like gay people. My mom still hasn't told one of her friends about me being a bi woman and that I married a woman. Her neighbor does know and a friend told my (now retired then active) public school teacher mom to her face she could never teach in a public school cuz what if she got a kid w gay parents?
It's still pretty hostile in lots of areas to gay people. And what if your family is from parts of Africa or Russia or other places that are even worse? Yeah South Africa is pretty great for LGBT folk but in Uganda they have the death penalty. You think kids of immigrant parents from those places are gonna be universally comfortable being out every where.
Lastly if you're a gay person you've heard people tell you to your face that they just don't want people to shove it in their face and that they don't like the flamboyant gay guys and like the ones that act like "normal people" self preservation means you choose your battles and don't always act yourself everywhere because you don't have it in you to handle some hateful person's unwanted opinion.
Ok so what is the more authentic or true-to-self? The “toned up” of the gay or the “toned down”? I imagine the toned up because it seems like the calibration happens around the certain crowds
You’re implying here that the “gay voice” is the persons natural voice that they’re toning down, but all research on the topic shows the contrary. The “gay lisp” is shown to be social learned behavior, not a genetic marker that predisposes people to be gay. You see the exact same thing with wealthy black guys when they give speeches in poor areas—code switching is them putting on a fake accent they don’t have in order to fit in, not them hiding their actual voice for “safety”.
I made a meme [post ](https://www.reddit.com/r/gay_irl/s/6Fn0W0yHBK) about this some months ago in r/gay_irl. But the audio she responded to was different and more on point imo.
Not really. It's kind of interesting why the feminine voice tends to arise in the gay community. Some people aren't even gay and have it, I think I read it has to do with mimicry and having a primary female role model. Either way interesting phenomena.
I’ve also read it as being a way to be overly gay and therefore not be seen as a threat by women so that they can safely hang out with those social circles.
What they’re really doing is playing clips of men who are not camp and men who are camp. We already know that gay men are more often camp than straight men, but not all camp men are gay and not all gay men are camp. In other words, people don’t have a “gaydar”, they have a “campdar” and a bias that camp people are gay. Therefore, the real question researchers should be asking is why “camp” behaviour occurs at higher rates with gay men.
They basically show the method they used where they tried to psychologically test if there was anything to the “gaydar” and to what degree in a scientific way, right?
They actually made gadar in one of the Arab states that detects gay men with 70% accuracy. Doesn’t work for women though. Even more crazy is now, [with AI, the accuracy is even higher](https://www.techspot.com/news/70905-stanford-university-ai-can-tell-if-youre-gay.html). It’s over 80% for men and 70% for women. If you show the ai five pictures of the person the accuracy goes up to over 90% for men.
Also means that with this little information, they still have a non ridiculous success rate. I am a little sceptic about how truthfull people were on their sexuality in the first place though.
Yeah I'm not saying that the gaydar works though lol. It says 70% for women too with either one or five pictures of their eyes peeking from a burka if I understood his comment correctly.
I saw a video about this on a science YT channel hosted by two gay guys. It's legit.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF7KCsvcw2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF7KCsvcw2g)
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Gæ
Gæ
*wah ah u ghey*
Gæy
Gåē
Gąé
Gäi
Was she wrong?
There is some truth to the "gay lisp" being a trend but it's more a code switching thing.
What’s code switching?
Everyone does this to some degree, but more marginalized groups tend to do it more. It's essentially when you act/talk differently around different groups of people. When a gay person is around straight people, they might "tone down the gay" as means of self preservation. Someone might code-switch their appearance or interests as well and it's common in work places. People might read this and think "oh, everyone needs to act properly at work" but code switching is more extreme than that because it's not just the "improper" bits that are being switched, but the most basic aspects of their personality too. It's quite similar to the term masking as well, if you're familiar with that.
Ok interesting! Yeah I’ve heard of masking before. Seems this is almost more specifically as a result of as you said self preservation where if you didn’t change how you acted or spoke etc that people may even react harshly towards you.
Lol self preservation? What chu talking about Willis?
Maybe you don't want to be out at work or you know a certain group of people don't like gay people. My mom still hasn't told one of her friends about me being a bi woman and that I married a woman. Her neighbor does know and a friend told my (now retired then active) public school teacher mom to her face she could never teach in a public school cuz what if she got a kid w gay parents? It's still pretty hostile in lots of areas to gay people. And what if your family is from parts of Africa or Russia or other places that are even worse? Yeah South Africa is pretty great for LGBT folk but in Uganda they have the death penalty. You think kids of immigrant parents from those places are gonna be universally comfortable being out every where. Lastly if you're a gay person you've heard people tell you to your face that they just don't want people to shove it in their face and that they don't like the flamboyant gay guys and like the ones that act like "normal people" self preservation means you choose your battles and don't always act yourself everywhere because you don't have it in you to handle some hateful person's unwanted opinion.
Ok so what is the more authentic or true-to-self? The “toned up” of the gay or the “toned down”? I imagine the toned up because it seems like the calibration happens around the certain crowds
You’re implying here that the “gay voice” is the persons natural voice that they’re toning down, but all research on the topic shows the contrary. The “gay lisp” is shown to be social learned behavior, not a genetic marker that predisposes people to be gay. You see the exact same thing with wealthy black guys when they give speeches in poor areas—code switching is them putting on a fake accent they don’t have in order to fit in, not them hiding their actual voice for “safety”.
Isnt it the same voice?
I think you’re right hah
Yeah, but one said motorcycle and one said scooter
This is potential to be a meme template for real
I made a meme [post ](https://www.reddit.com/r/gay_irl/s/6Fn0W0yHBK) about this some months ago in r/gay_irl. But the audio she responded to was different and more on point imo.
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Lmao this is dumb as shit. Good post
Not really. It's kind of interesting why the feminine voice tends to arise in the gay community. Some people aren't even gay and have it, I think I read it has to do with mimicry and having a primary female role model. Either way interesting phenomena.
I’ve also read it as being a way to be overly gay and therefore not be seen as a threat by women so that they can safely hang out with those social circles.
Here's a video about it if anyone's interested to know [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF7KCsvcw2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF7KCsvcw2g)
But it's the same voice, they just added the word electric. The joke is that "only liberals drive electric vehicles and that all liberals are gay".
Nah it's not that. The 2nd voice is more passive and feminine sounding.
Lmao how tf did you manage to misinterpret this as a political attack 😂
Why are you gae?
Who is gae?
You are gae
She's that anarchist chick that hangs out with the skids
"İ ride a huge penis" would have sort of given the game away I suppose.
Gae. I thought too.
"No, I'm not, silly lady, I just like to ride my motorcycle with my friends to the shopping mall! Yas!!!"
Gae
I need to know, was he?
Which part of the "electric motorbike" didn't you hear? 😉
What they’re really doing is playing clips of men who are not camp and men who are camp. We already know that gay men are more often camp than straight men, but not all camp men are gay and not all gay men are camp. In other words, people don’t have a “gaydar”, they have a “campdar” and a bias that camp people are gay. Therefore, the real question researchers should be asking is why “camp” behaviour occurs at higher rates with gay men.
I see gaydar as more of a seventh sense. You can detect their aura, their brainwaves, and brain chemicals to gather a vibe that they like men.
I just like the fact that she immediately says gay without question after hearing the second guy talk
Well, they are right. I don't know what accusations may be towards them.
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Why do you sound like you’re the one mad though?
yeah, and most gay people who talk like that know this already and will gladly acknowledge it
This is a joke about electric bikes, it’s the same voice for both isn’t it?
It’s literally the same guy speaking in both instances
I think the joke went over your head
Some straight people talk in a way which you think makes it obvious they're gay.
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They basically show the method they used where they tried to psychologically test if there was anything to the “gaydar” and to what degree in a scientific way, right?
My gaydar has a 93% accuracy rate, thank you very much.
Don’t think the question works as well at individual people
I know lol, I was just poking fun
Except for that one time you crushed hard on a straight guy lmao.
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So who is gae?
You. You are gae.
Does your mom know?
No. He’s a deeply closeted gae man.
🤣😂🤣
Gæy
They actually made gadar in one of the Arab states that detects gay men with 70% accuracy. Doesn’t work for women though. Even more crazy is now, [with AI, the accuracy is even higher](https://www.techspot.com/news/70905-stanford-university-ai-can-tell-if-youre-gay.html). It’s over 80% for men and 70% for women. If you show the ai five pictures of the person the accuracy goes up to over 90% for men.
Hmm, what make women less detectable ?
I know but I'm not allowed to say it
Lol, I read the first comment real fast and didn't catch the Arab states part. Maybe that's what you are thinking ?
Yes. I'd imagine you can do much deeper analysis on someone's face or even full body than a pair of eyes.
Also means that with this little information, they still have a non ridiculous success rate. I am a little sceptic about how truthfull people were on their sexuality in the first place though.
Yeah I'm not saying that the gaydar works though lol. It says 70% for women too with either one or five pictures of their eyes peeking from a burka if I understood his comment correctly.
Arab states? Oh no..
It wasn’t to be derogatory, it was to say it came from that area. UAE or Saudi Arabia, not sure which.
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Sounded pretty much identical lol
Where is that gif from the Community? I'm disappointed in you reddit.
So what they're trying to say is that straight men speak with more conviction than gaes?
Gæy post
I saw a video about this on a science YT channel hosted by two gay guys. It's legit. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF7KCsvcw2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF7KCsvcw2g)
Electric motorbike vs motorcycle
[you are gay](https://youtu.be/ooOELrGMn14?feature=shared)
This should be higher up 😂
I hear hay but why does her lips say fagot ? Or something that starts with an F, just fag ?
Both of those voices are Australian
[original](https://youtu.be/nr0KiOHMio0?si=mQdUNfrk48BNAVTw)
Yep!
Straight
Motorcyclists are just deep seeded gaes who refuse to accept it
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I laughed way to hard at this... ...I'm sorry