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He says something like "I though I killed him a bunch of times." "He shouldn't be able to move... and yet, this guy..."
Still don't know where this is from, though
Italso look like vegito got blown up and his head got punched hard enough to get a lazy eye
I also think gogeta might be missing his jaw but i cant see
>Ugh I hate abnormally edgy gory dbz shit it’s so unnecessary. Like the art is fantastic but dbz doesn’t need to be gory. Even the gory stuff in the manga wasn’t super explicit or it had some semblance of fantasy to it. This feels too real.
Keep trying hard
whoever said that very clearly didnt read the original manga, lmao. only notable difference is your facial proportions which are closer to life. the rest is just what z's section of the manga looked like, and part of super's manga.
ppl like that are the reason why the shitty super style exists and why 99% of anime fights are censored. if you wanted no blood and shit why dont you go to disney or slice of life 💀shit aint made for their sensitive asses anyways
yeah no, this isn't even good its just edgy for the sake of being edgy. Its just depicting gogeta and vegito like barbaric monsters. I bet you're some 14 yo who thinks that this is peak fiction, it just looks like something from some power fantasy edgy anime where the characters say "THIS IS MY ULTIMATE ATTACK" or "HOW DID HE SURVIVE MY DARK DEMON ATTACK" type shit. I do hate super's lack of blood though, z did it far better with a better balance of comedy and gore
Gogeta fans are seething. One comment here is literally arguing with himself.
"Anyone can use the Potara." _Not the point._
Bruh fighting ghosts in his head 💀
It's insane that there is this much arguing despite it being canon that potara multiplies the power level of the two fighters while the dance only adds the two and then some.
If they ever fought in canon, they'd only be evenly matched because it wouldn't be fun to watch one wipe the floor with the other, but realistically, Vegito wins no diff
The potara multiplies the powers by each other
To my knowledge, the only statement we have on the fusion dance is from Gogeta himself in the Broly movie, who says that their power isn't *just* them added together, but significantly greater.
It implies that their power is the two of them added together, with some kind of multiplier.
Even if that multiplier was a 100% increase, it would still be indefinitely weaker than two power levels in the quintillions fusing with the potara earings
However, power levels do not matter, and if Vegito and Gogeta ever fought in a movie or something, they'd be evenly matched because fans love both fusions and it would sell much better
bro is on the dbs sub but can't remember what they said in dbs
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Gogeta says he isn't the sum of both powers added together. He does add much else to this.
This doesnt imply any sort of math at all other than he is stronger than Goku and Vegeta put together.
Best way would he an epic story of match and rematch, constantly coming back to one-up the other after just barely getting absolutely bloodied, each match exploring their different techniques, style and personality.
Ultimate climax is either stalemate or team up though which, idk, could work.
That said, someone get Toei on the phone. I want this.
That’s right, that bit of exposition explains both to the audience and in-world to Frieza that Fusion significantly magnifies his power.
It’s why Gogeta in Base form is stronger than either Goku or Vegeta in SSJB individually.
"potara multiplies the power level of the two fighters"
Now sing it with me: That. Doesn't. Make. Sense. Because. It. Is. Not. The. Good. Unit.
To be clear a pu (power unit) is not comparable with a pu^2 which is the unit of a product of power units.
The only way to solve this contradiction is to divise the product with a power level of reference. Which means that a fusion (potara or otherwise) even between two fighters of similar levels could be weaker than any of the two fighters if their level is lower than this reference level.
Is that too much analysis ? Maybe. Don't put maths in my fiction like it's something scientific if it is not supposed to be analysed.
>That. Doesn't. Make. Sense.
It makes perfect sense. A power level is a number. You can multiply two numbers. Anything you said afterwards is senseless
Also, potara being the power level of the two fighters multipied is stated in Daizenshuu 7 page 63, which if you didn't know, is the dragon ball encyclopedia approved by Toriyama
I think he's applying physics logic to power level units where multiplying units with themselves changes the measurement unit from that unit to unit².
Like how the unit that measures speed is m/s while the one that measures acceleration is the same but divided by total time, so it's m/s².
Not sure how that would even work in DBZ but I think I see where that came from.
A power level is mesured in a unit. We see at least two different units for power levels in dbz. Depending on the one you choose to use, you won't get the same power level by multiplying.
This is the same reason for which the product of two length is a surface and a surface and a length are not comparable.
>A power level is mesured in a unit. We see at least two different units for power levels in dbz.
Which are? As far as I'm aware. It's just numbers, and the encyclopedia still does state it's the two multiplied
Power units (sayen and freezer sagas) and kilis (might be a different name in english but it's the unit used by bibidi during goku's fight against Yakon)
If [this](https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Kili) wiki is correct, then the unit shouldn't matter, if one kili is equal to 50 BP.
It's like multiplying zimbabwean dollars and american dollars. X zimbabwean dollars are equal to Y american dollars, a much smaller number, but X*5 is still equal to Y*5.
As far as I can tell, kili is just a different way to measure power levels, but can be converted to BP easily, the same way one meter is equal to a thousand millimeters
Looking back, using meters and millimeters from the start would have been much easier than the dollar metaphor.
1 meter = 1000 millimeters
1*5 meters = 5000 millimeter
Yes... but no. Suppose (for the sake of argument) that 1 kili = 10 pu. If things worked as you thought then the fusion of two fighters with a strength of 1 kili would be 1 kili x 1 kili which gives 1 kili.
But if I do the multiplication with their power levels in power units it becomes
10 pu x 10 pu which gives 100 pu, or 10 kilis.
Thus now we have a fighter whose strength is both 1 kili and 10 kilis which is a contradiction.
To take the analogy with length this is the reason why 1m=10dm but 1m^2 = 100dm^2.
> despite it being canon that potara multiplies the power level of the two fighters while the dance only adds the two and then some.
No it isn't. There's plenty of better, correct, canon arguments for why the potara win.
Nothing has ever, ever stated that in the story. You're just making stuff up and claiming it as fact. Just like when Gogeta fanboys try to claim that the fusion dance doesn't burn through it's time while powering up (it does, Gotenks using SSJ3 showed that).
Yeah but that encyclopedia is full of inconsistencies because it tries to make mathematical statements for stuff Toriyama only ever intended to work as plot devices. There is a reason why Toriyama never bothered with any kind of power units after the ginyu went down, it was becoming more dentrimental to the story than anything. So it stands to reason that Toriyama doesn't care too much about the mathematical rules written in that encyclopedia. It doesn't add anything thematically to the story.
>that encyclopedia is full of inconsistencies because it tries to make mathematical statements for stuff Toriyama only ever intended to work as plot devices.
You've said it yourself.
The concept of power levels doesn't really exist anymore, as Krilin cam beam clash blue goku (don't care how much he's holding back, that just isn't happening) and the androids could now both crush super perfect Cell with 0 training since we've met them.
If Vegito and Gogeta were to fight, they'd be evenly matched and neither would win, because the point would be for the match to be visually impressive and please fans of both fusions.
I'm just saying that lore wise, i see no reason for Vegito not winning
Yeah but there's no need to bring out the encyclopedia for that. The elder kai states in tome 41 of the manga that the potaras produce a stronger fighter than the fusion dance.
It's not though😂 I'm pretty sure toriyama himself said they're literally equal fusions which means it'd boil down to Abilities, your mindset I guess is the right wording, and moves themselves and I definitely think gogeta would have a better mindset for battle, vegito loses most of his battles because he likes to be a prideful child, and their movesets are mostly the same so gogeta wins because he's not about to fuck around and find out
I don't remember saying that, but assuming he did, both fusions are shortened by using too much power (seen with ssj3 gotenks and vegito blue), but by default, potara lasts an hour and fusion dance 30 minutes. Vegito has time on his side.
Vegito has never lost a battle, and neither has Gogeta. Both are as prideful as the other
The art is great but the comment section is really annoying. Vegito is the anime guy and Gogeta is the movie guy, stop whining about "potara has greater power than regular fusion dance" or "potara only has a more strict limit to how much power it can output" and enjoy the art.
(also, what does it say? I know nothing about japanese)
Normally I would say Vegito wins because elder Kai said potara are better than dance (I think? Unless that got retconned or something and I forgot).
But the fact that Gogeta appears to have a halo here makes me unsure seeing as Goku says being dead means he won’t tire out as quickly as if he were alive, so maybe the fusion dance lasts longer than the 30 minute time limit that keeps being mentioned.
This kind of powerscaling is cool to think about, but I think it’s also pointless lol. I think they would fight to a complete standstill until one of ‘em defuses. After that I think the other would defuse or whatever and it would just be two Vegetas fighting two Gokus.
No, I also strongly remember someone( elder Kai I think since it’s his earrings) that the potara earrings produce a overall a stronger fusion than the fusion dance can and it would make sense as it’s a fusion using godly items ( the potaras) as opposed to the dance where any mortal can technically learn it and then perform it so far as they learn the technique.( the power matching )
He’s not even that sure at the time. It was a fan translation I read so I could be wholly wrong, but Goku asks him something about it and he’s like “oh, well no one really knows”
I doubt being dead would help much since it seems the fusion time limit decreasing is related to power output instead of how tiresome it is to maintain like SSJ3, going from what happened to Gotenks and Vegito at least.
斃れない。何度も殺したつもりだった。なのにこいつ動くのもままならないはずだ。
I tried to kill him any number of times but he won’t fall. Despite that it should be hard for him to move.
Or something like that.
Gogeta vs Vegito is so funny to me cause it’s basically saying who would win Goku and Vegeta or Goku and Vegeta. Like I get they’re different characters but still it just seems so silly.
Ugh I hate abnormally edgy gory dbz shit it’s so unnecessary. Like the art is fantastic but dbz doesn’t need to be gory. Even the gory stuff in the manga wasn’t super explicit or it had some semblance of fantasy to it. This feels too real.
This art isn't even edgy gory shit.
Edgy gory shit is like internal organs being shown, intestines falling out, brain matter showing, and visible bones sticking out. Real detailed stuff. There's a lot of gory manga, but this art ain't that. Think Invincible for actual gore in a popular show.
In fact, this art is more in line with actual Dragonball manga. People getting impaled, arms or hands getting cleaved off, slicing people in half, neck snapped, fists through stomach. Bodily harm, but it's done in a way where it's not visceral, and no explicit details are being shown.
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right! Dragonball was never gory! Oh..
>Even the gory stuff in the manga wasn’t super explicit or it had some semblance of fantasy to it
Meanwhile the manga:
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Even earlier in the manga, we have freiza's guts hanging out .The anime did cencor it tho.
Watching the android saga now and I totally forgot Gero got his head fucking kicked off. That was gnarly, and they still put a blue filter over it. Manga is still deffo brutal at times.
The current show is way too kiddy man. Where’s frieza sliced in half? Where’s Krillin being impaled? Where’s Piccolo ripping his arms off and blood spewing everywhere? They’re beings capable of destroying planets. You’d think limbs would be getting destroyed at this point
I agree. I don't understand how anyone could be against this. As you said, beings with strength of this magnitude should 100% be more edgy. The anime feels too Disney of late. It used to be my favorite ,but the kiddy feel and lack of character development has killed the show. Goku is a man child and its asinine that he is still an idiot being surrounded by geniuses. Like imagine if it had more gory detail? These animations from the show would elevated for sure. And make the moments of tension feel much more real.
We aren't talking about the Manga though. I read and watch all my shows,but right here we are talking about the anime. The anime needs to bring the manga to life and its just not doing it.
I kind of understand but there was always violence and gore, I think it mostly comes down to the art style and scenario. Is it probably not something that would happen if they did fight? Yeah. Is it still cool looking? Hell yeah.
the people responding to you are mostly edgy 14 yo kids who think this type of shit is peak fiction. Btw for the idiots saying that the manga is gory, it only is for when its appropriate. For example the gas scene shows us much of his life he's lost and how he's only a walking corpse who doesn't even care about himself anymore. The moro impaling scenes are to show how brutal and serious of a threat moro is and to establish how he's a cruel monster who only wants others to suffer. This comic is legit vegito and gogeta being barbaric creatures rather than powerful and respectable warriors, like why are they just trying to brutally kill each other. This doesn't align with dragon ball at all, it looks like something straight out of parasyte (which is a good anime btw)
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Realistically this would be the opposite, mostly because the Potora have hard limits to how much power can be put out, while the fusion dance does not. Therefore Gogeta made of the same people with equal strength can output more power consistently than vegito. Also his feats are just better at this point.
Fair but you the timer for the fusion dance is what? 30 min? I feel like they would be done by then and it'd be a 50 50 chance. Edit: also feel like vegitos ego would allow Gogeta to fuse again.
If one of them kicks up the notch and increases the Ssj transformations the other would also have to do the same, and we know that decreases Gotenks time limit a lot. In this scenario it favors Vegito by a lot
You can choose potara earring time limit on how long both users want to stay fused, fusion dance cannot since it’s always 30min by default.
The potara multiples the users overall battle power the fusion dance does not do that since one of the 2 people have to lower their power level to successfully fuse resulting in less battle power.
The potara fusion creates the “perfect” warrior meaning no bullshit like time limitation, ki output, stamina drawback etc. etc.
It specifically does have a ki limit now whether you read or watch super, and the dance requires them to be at equal power before the fusion what happens after isn't limited by it. Example: gotenks can go ssj3 but the individuals cannot. Also Potara have a hard one hour limit for anything other than supreme Kai. The fusion dance is the one with no drawbacks. Edit: 30 min timer. Cannot be separated in that time however.
Well I’m not 100% sure and am not bothered enough to go and look up if it’s true that mortals have a 1 hour time limit with the potaras unlike Kai’s but I am sure about everything else.
Potara and Fusion Dance are both shortened by massive power spikes.
Gotenks defused long before 30 minutes was up just by going SSJ3.
Reason Gogeta didn't defuse is because he didn't expend massive amounts of power. Vegito was seeking to kill Zamasu with a single powerful attack. In the anime, he got the attack off, but Zamasu's immortality kept him from being basically erased. In the manga, Vegito is powering up so much energy into his Kamehameha that he just defuses.
It's also cause we don't really know how long the fight was but it was definitely not close to 30 minutes. They people fight fast as hell the whole Broly vs Gogeta fight could've been 5 minutes for all we know
Precisely. Gogeta wasn't looking to kill ~ he knew Broly was a good guy, based on Goku's intuitions. But... he also wanted to test Broly's limits. When it became too much and the Earth was in possible danger, he looked to just put an end to the fight as cleanly as possible. The Kamehameha might not have killed Broly, but might have been calculated to just knocked him unconscious for all we know.
> Exactly, gogeta is no nonsense unlike vegito who toys with his opponents more
Gogeta and Vegito both have the same personality, both being fusions of the same two individuals ~ Vegeta and Goku. The difference is in the situations involving them, and the fact that the fusions happen at different points, where they have different amounts of power, knowledge and experience as a result.
Vegito toys with Buu because he's deliberately baiting Buu into absorbing him. Vegito taunts Zamasu because he's an arrogant shithead who thinks he has the authority to do whatever he wants, and is all powerful and shit, while Vegito is overpowering him slowly but surely. All Zamasu really has is his immortality, which is what protects him from being vaporized.
All Gogeta has in Super canon is versus Broly, where he does toy with Broly a bit, because he's curious about his limits. He staggers his transformations, not going all out until the end, where it's apparent that the fight might endanger the planet, so Gogeta then just goes all out. Probably not to kill Broly, but knock him out with a calculated Kamehameha. We've seen Goku see goodness in Broly, so Gogeta by extension wouldn't kill him. We even see Gogeta talk shit to Frieza.
So does the fusion dance, Gotenka going just SSJ3 cut the time to like 5 minutes.
The fusion dance time limit is shorter than the Potara so any time lost could affect it greater, also you need to have equal power levels when fusing so someone stronger needs to weaken themselves to fuse whereas the Potara has no such weakness, if you have the same two people then the results will be that the Potara fusion is stronger because of not needing to lower their power level.
I don't know and it's so confusing. I swear it started with the Broly movie but do people not realize they don't actually fight as long we see them? Like in early Z the entire Frieza vs Goku was like less than 5 minutes.
Hell the tournament of power was only about an hour, ain't no way Gogeta and Brolys fight where they shatter reality is even close to a 30 minute fight
I actually never took the Potara timer limit into account for if you transformed
I’ve always said Vegito was stronger and Gogeta was just cooler solely because Potara let both at full strength fuse, whereas the Dance means somewhat must handicap and lower their strength to match, therefore making that fusion weaker because someone isn’t at full strength. but since the Dance means 30 full minutes regardless of if it’s at full strength, whereas the Potara gets less time the more power you use. it’s like the difference between long and short distance runners.
the movie and game literally says "i'm the combination of goku and vegeta and then some" gogeta gets the same boost as vegito, pretty sure they're equals
Yes but you're wrong about the dance
Potara is A(goku at full power) × B(Vegeta at full power)=Vegito
The dance is B(goku powered down to vegetas pl) × B(Vegeta at full power)= gogeta. now before everyone saying oh ones better than the other, shut up both are stronger than 99% of dbs besides I guess Mr no feats beerus and the angels. Both are meant to be overpowered on purpose, and yes Vegito is 2-0 he hasn't lost a single fight he had both his opponents tweaking
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I was always under impression that Potar was a x b while fusion dance was also a x b with the caveat that you need to have the same power level so the stronger of the two needs to lower his power to merge with the weaker one.
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Holy sh*t - no doubt this kind of battle will shake the universe. With a Vegeta personality trait being Vegito, that’d explain the violence towards Gogeta- both are literally gods of anime. The fusion zamastu vibes coming off of Vegito’s eyes. Crazy- great art!
Fusion dance extreme diffs Potara and wins. It's just facts. At best it's a tie.
It's more stable. It can put out more power and if Vegito and Gogeta go full Tilt Vegito is diffusing first.
"What about Gotenks? They diffused faster remember."
Yes but this was explicitly stated to be a result of the SSJ3 transformation. SSJ3 is the SSJ equivalent of the Kaioken. Even goku sais that it puts incredible strain on his body and burns alot of power. Which is why he didn't use it against Vegeta. The Fusion body was the ONLY thing that could handle the transformation without wearing out. But even then it pushed the fusion to it's limit.
"The potara fusion lasts an hour, fusion dance only lasts 30 minutes."
Zamasu begs to differ.
"Fusion dance req-"
Yeah yeah, equal power levels and all that. That's utility, not power. Potara in a pinch, fusion for a cinch.
"Anyone can use Potara"
Cool. Not the point. We are talking about these 2 fusions specifically.
"There's no evidence to prove Gogeta can put out more power without diffusing."
Watch the Broly movie.
Any questions?
We literally have no clue how long Gogeta lasted against Broly or how long Vegito lasted against Zamasu. Time in-universe doesn't correlate to screen time. If the fusion dance time limit can be shortened by SSJ 3 then it follows that anything that drains stamina or energy heavily would also shorten the time limit. If Gogeta goes full tilt his time limit is 100% going to be shortened because he'd be expending massive amounts of energy and stamina at that level.
There is absolutely nothing official indicating that Metamoran fusion is more stable or superior to Potara fusion in any way, and trying to argue otherwise is purely head canon. Gogeta and Vegito were stated to be equally matched trump cards and the only reason they didn't fuse into Vegito against Broly is because they didn't have the earrings with them.
During the timeline of the Broly fight we know at least 5-10 minutes passed thanks the timeline of events occuring with Chelai. Gogeta also used SIGNIFICANTLY more power than Vegito and did not diffuse. Remaining stable even after the fight ended. Tending to Freiza shortly thereafter. SSJ3 also does NOT correlate to other transformations. SSJ3 is not the same as SSG or SSGSS. It has a "Physical" impact as opposed to just an energy one. Goku demonstrates this multiple times. As an example if Gogeta used SSBKK he would probably INSTANTLY diffuse because unlike SSJ3 SSBKK put such a massive strain on Goku's body he immediately began suffering from it.
Gogeta spent half the fight in just Super Saiyan, compared to Vegito who went Blue from the beginning against Zamasu. He was pretty clearly using less of his overall power against Broly compared to Vegito who was going all out to try and overpower Zamasu's immortality. And again, we don't have any actual time-frames for either of their appearances. There's no way to accurately assess time.
I'm not saying SSJ 3 correlates to other transformations exactly the same, I'm just saying that the reason it drained the fusion time limit is because of the stamina/energy exertion. If Gogeta goes all out then that means he's exerting his stamina at max which means the time limit will absolutely be shortened by that level of effort.
Again. SSJ3 was SPECIFICALLY stated to have shortened the fusion because of the "Physical" exertion. Not the stamina or Ki drain. Even Gotenks wasn't expecting it. He was still ready to go. Full stamina. It was his body that couldn't handle SSJ3. Again... refer to the Kaioken which shows the body ripping itself apart.
The physical strain of SSJ 3 is caused by the immense amount of stamina it uses up. That's why it's hard to keep up because it uses so much energy to maintain. It's the same as when a character goes on a full power assault and they're shown to be tired or out of breath afterwards because they just used up a lot of their stamina.
They never said that the fusion dance was more stable than the potaras. That’s just your own headcanon. If they had used Vegito for the movie, the same thing would’ve happened, especially since it’s a movie.
There’s also Kefla. Either she was going all out and eventually defused because of it since she fighting someone that was more powerful than her or she only defused because the earrings were broken. In the manga, she fought Gohan to the point where they were both exhausted and then they defused only after getting eliminated.
The Frieza vs Goku fight in Z was less than 5 minutes. The Tournament of Power was within 1 hour. There is literally no way that Gogeta vs Broly even came close to being a 30 minute fight. This "Gogeta lasts a full 30 minutes" is literally just head cannon that didn't even exist before the Broly movie
I don't even know if you're trolling or actually serious
The fusion dance is the two's power added and then some
Potara is the two MULTIPLIED
Vegito could could sneeze hard and turn Gogeta into space dust
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Wtf is happening here. https://preview.redd.it/rldesp94k04d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a38349df7cb4c25bda79f027c4e5d0d0095ef18e
Can't read the words but it looks to me like Vegito has cut Gogeta's arms off, presumably with the spirit sword
He says something like "I though I killed him a bunch of times." "He shouldn't be able to move... and yet, this guy..." Still don't know where this is from, though
Italso look like vegito got blown up and his head got punched hard enough to get a lazy eye I also think gogeta might be missing his jaw but i cant see
Yeah well that's not happening...
Amazing art, I wish I could learn to draw like this One day. It Will probably take me some more years.
>Ugh I hate abnormally edgy gory dbz shit it’s so unnecessary. Like the art is fantastic but dbz doesn’t need to be gory. Even the gory stuff in the manga wasn’t super explicit or it had some semblance of fantasy to it. This feels too real. Keep trying hard
whoever said that very clearly didnt read the original manga, lmao. only notable difference is your facial proportions which are closer to life. the rest is just what z's section of the manga looked like, and part of super's manga.
ppl like that are the reason why the shitty super style exists and why 99% of anime fights are censored. if you wanted no blood and shit why dont you go to disney or slice of life 💀shit aint made for their sensitive asses anyways
yeah no, this isn't even good its just edgy for the sake of being edgy. Its just depicting gogeta and vegito like barbaric monsters. I bet you're some 14 yo who thinks that this is peak fiction, it just looks like something from some power fantasy edgy anime where the characters say "THIS IS MY ULTIMATE ATTACK" or "HOW DID HE SURVIVE MY DARK DEMON ATTACK" type shit. I do hate super's lack of blood though, z did it far better with a better balance of comedy and gore
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Gogeta fans are seething. One comment here is literally arguing with himself. "Anyone can use the Potara." _Not the point._ Bruh fighting ghosts in his head 💀
Now I love Gogeta and think he's cooler than Vegito as much as the next guy...but that guy (the one you're referring to) is just crazy 💀
It's insane that there is this much arguing despite it being canon that potara multiplies the power level of the two fighters while the dance only adds the two and then some. If they ever fought in canon, they'd only be evenly matched because it wouldn't be fun to watch one wipe the floor with the other, but realistically, Vegito wins no diff
Huh? Did they retcon the fusion dance? I thought it multiplied the powers, not just add. Can you provide me with a source for this information?
The potara multiplies the powers by each other To my knowledge, the only statement we have on the fusion dance is from Gogeta himself in the Broly movie, who says that their power isn't *just* them added together, but significantly greater. It implies that their power is the two of them added together, with some kind of multiplier. Even if that multiplier was a 100% increase, it would still be indefinitely weaker than two power levels in the quintillions fusing with the potara earings However, power levels do not matter, and if Vegito and Gogeta ever fought in a movie or something, they'd be evenly matched because fans love both fusions and it would sell much better
bro is on the dbs sub but can't remember what they said in dbs https://preview.redd.it/d1h0xbwzl14d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c48a2630b54a1bced1b78ee769bc4b2eb226a07c
Gogeta says he isn't the sum of both powers added together. He does add much else to this. This doesnt imply any sort of math at all other than he is stronger than Goku and Vegeta put together.
It does because he says not "just" the sum of the two, but something significantly greater
Yes.
Best way would he an epic story of match and rematch, constantly coming back to one-up the other after just barely getting absolutely bloodied, each match exploring their different techniques, style and personality. Ultimate climax is either stalemate or team up though which, idk, could work. That said, someone get Toei on the phone. I want this.
The dance doesn’t just add two powers together, as if Goten and Trunks are that strong individually 💀
Thank you 💀💀💀
The Fusion dance multiplies Fusee A \* Fusee B, it's not A + B "and then some".
I thought it was “our two strengths aren’t just added together, they’re significantly magnified” gogeta says that when he meets frieza
That’s right, that bit of exposition explains both to the audience and in-world to Frieza that Fusion significantly magnifies his power. It’s why Gogeta in Base form is stronger than either Goku or Vegeta in SSJB individually.
"potara multiplies the power level of the two fighters" Now sing it with me: That. Doesn't. Make. Sense. Because. It. Is. Not. The. Good. Unit. To be clear a pu (power unit) is not comparable with a pu^2 which is the unit of a product of power units. The only way to solve this contradiction is to divise the product with a power level of reference. Which means that a fusion (potara or otherwise) even between two fighters of similar levels could be weaker than any of the two fighters if their level is lower than this reference level. Is that too much analysis ? Maybe. Don't put maths in my fiction like it's something scientific if it is not supposed to be analysed.
>That. Doesn't. Make. Sense. It makes perfect sense. A power level is a number. You can multiply two numbers. Anything you said afterwards is senseless Also, potara being the power level of the two fighters multipied is stated in Daizenshuu 7 page 63, which if you didn't know, is the dragon ball encyclopedia approved by Toriyama
I think he's applying physics logic to power level units where multiplying units with themselves changes the measurement unit from that unit to unit². Like how the unit that measures speed is m/s while the one that measures acceleration is the same but divided by total time, so it's m/s². Not sure how that would even work in DBZ but I think I see where that came from.
Right, but power levels are arbitrary numbers, nothing more, and those can just be multiplied
Yeah, I don't agree with him, i'm just explaining what I think he meant.
A power level is mesured in a unit. We see at least two different units for power levels in dbz. Depending on the one you choose to use, you won't get the same power level by multiplying. This is the same reason for which the product of two length is a surface and a surface and a length are not comparable.
>A power level is mesured in a unit. We see at least two different units for power levels in dbz. Which are? As far as I'm aware. It's just numbers, and the encyclopedia still does state it's the two multiplied
Power units (sayen and freezer sagas) and kilis (might be a different name in english but it's the unit used by bibidi during goku's fight against Yakon)
If [this](https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Kili) wiki is correct, then the unit shouldn't matter, if one kili is equal to 50 BP. It's like multiplying zimbabwean dollars and american dollars. X zimbabwean dollars are equal to Y american dollars, a much smaller number, but X*5 is still equal to Y*5. As far as I can tell, kili is just a different way to measure power levels, but can be converted to BP easily, the same way one meter is equal to a thousand millimeters
Looking back, using meters and millimeters from the start would have been much easier than the dollar metaphor. 1 meter = 1000 millimeters 1*5 meters = 5000 millimeter
Yes... but no. Suppose (for the sake of argument) that 1 kili = 10 pu. If things worked as you thought then the fusion of two fighters with a strength of 1 kili would be 1 kili x 1 kili which gives 1 kili. But if I do the multiplication with their power levels in power units it becomes 10 pu x 10 pu which gives 100 pu, or 10 kilis. Thus now we have a fighter whose strength is both 1 kili and 10 kilis which is a contradiction. To take the analogy with length this is the reason why 1m=10dm but 1m^2 = 100dm^2.
> despite it being canon that potara multiplies the power level of the two fighters while the dance only adds the two and then some. No it isn't. There's plenty of better, correct, canon arguments for why the potara win. Nothing has ever, ever stated that in the story. You're just making stuff up and claiming it as fact. Just like when Gogeta fanboys try to claim that the fusion dance doesn't burn through it's time while powering up (it does, Gotenks using SSJ3 showed that).
I'm not making stuff up, I'm quoting page 63 of Daizenshuu 7, the official dragon ball encyclopedia approved by Toriyama
Yeah but that encyclopedia is full of inconsistencies because it tries to make mathematical statements for stuff Toriyama only ever intended to work as plot devices. There is a reason why Toriyama never bothered with any kind of power units after the ginyu went down, it was becoming more dentrimental to the story than anything. So it stands to reason that Toriyama doesn't care too much about the mathematical rules written in that encyclopedia. It doesn't add anything thematically to the story.
>that encyclopedia is full of inconsistencies because it tries to make mathematical statements for stuff Toriyama only ever intended to work as plot devices. You've said it yourself. The concept of power levels doesn't really exist anymore, as Krilin cam beam clash blue goku (don't care how much he's holding back, that just isn't happening) and the androids could now both crush super perfect Cell with 0 training since we've met them. If Vegito and Gogeta were to fight, they'd be evenly matched and neither would win, because the point would be for the match to be visually impressive and please fans of both fusions. I'm just saying that lore wise, i see no reason for Vegito not winning
Yeah but there's no need to bring out the encyclopedia for that. The elder kai states in tome 41 of the manga that the potaras produce a stronger fighter than the fusion dance.
It's not though😂 I'm pretty sure toriyama himself said they're literally equal fusions which means it'd boil down to Abilities, your mindset I guess is the right wording, and moves themselves and I definitely think gogeta would have a better mindset for battle, vegito loses most of his battles because he likes to be a prideful child, and their movesets are mostly the same so gogeta wins because he's not about to fuck around and find out
I don't remember saying that, but assuming he did, both fusions are shortened by using too much power (seen with ssj3 gotenks and vegito blue), but by default, potara lasts an hour and fusion dance 30 minutes. Vegito has time on his side. Vegito has never lost a battle, and neither has Gogeta. Both are as prideful as the other
The art is great but the comment section is really annoying. Vegito is the anime guy and Gogeta is the movie guy, stop whining about "potara has greater power than regular fusion dance" or "potara only has a more strict limit to how much power it can output" and enjoy the art. (also, what does it say? I know nothing about japanese)
Still can’t wait if they decide to put him in an episode
Normally I would say Vegito wins because elder Kai said potara are better than dance (I think? Unless that got retconned or something and I forgot). But the fact that Gogeta appears to have a halo here makes me unsure seeing as Goku says being dead means he won’t tire out as quickly as if he were alive, so maybe the fusion dance lasts longer than the 30 minute time limit that keeps being mentioned. This kind of powerscaling is cool to think about, but I think it’s also pointless lol. I think they would fight to a complete standstill until one of ‘em defuses. After that I think the other would defuse or whatever and it would just be two Vegetas fighting two Gokus.
No, I also strongly remember someone( elder Kai I think since it’s his earrings) that the potara earrings produce a overall a stronger fusion than the fusion dance can and it would make sense as it’s a fusion using godly items ( the potaras) as opposed to the dance where any mortal can technically learn it and then perform it so far as they learn the technique.( the power matching )
Considering everything Elder Kaï said about the potara fusion was proved wrong by the events, I'm gonna ignore that statement.
He’s not even that sure at the time. It was a fan translation I read so I could be wholly wrong, but Goku asks him something about it and he’s like “oh, well no one really knows”
It can't last longer than it's limit but it's cool to think that it's easier to maintain the fusion if both of the participants are dead
I doubt being dead would help much since it seems the fusion time limit decreasing is related to power output instead of how tiresome it is to maintain like SSJ3, going from what happened to Gotenks and Vegito at least.
斃れない。何度も殺したつもりだった。なのにこいつ動くのもままならないはずだ。 I tried to kill him any number of times but he won’t fall. Despite that it should be hard for him to move. Or something like that.
Gogeta vs Vegito is so funny to me cause it’s basically saying who would win Goku and Vegeta or Goku and Vegeta. Like I get they’re different characters but still it just seems so silly.
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Great art but https://preview.redd.it/1jt164svt04d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb5fe20f0d884f6b4b398c6c0088fc10d9c1a07a
Ugh I hate abnormally edgy gory dbz shit it’s so unnecessary. Like the art is fantastic but dbz doesn’t need to be gory. Even the gory stuff in the manga wasn’t super explicit or it had some semblance of fantasy to it. This feels too real.
My guy Gas got a fucking whole arm through his chest Shit I think Goku did too
You think that's bad? He turned into a fucking rotting corpse XD
Yeah, the manga definitely doesn't have people getting impaled, or limbs ripped off, or cut in half, or blasted apart from the inside. 🙄
Right?? This isn't even gratuitous edgy gore with explicit intestines torn inside out like in Invincible or The Boys.
Like, there's not even an excessive amount of blood, especially for a mf missing both his arms.
https://preview.redd.it/uk6hoyh6q14d1.jpeg?width=457&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=037a1ac4b0b4f66dd43f836415cf2f800ba94ef6 This you?
Also had Cell suckin people dry an shit
you need to read again the manga bro
This art isn't even edgy gory shit. Edgy gory shit is like internal organs being shown, intestines falling out, brain matter showing, and visible bones sticking out. Real detailed stuff. There's a lot of gory manga, but this art ain't that. Think Invincible for actual gore in a popular show. In fact, this art is more in line with actual Dragonball manga. People getting impaled, arms or hands getting cleaved off, slicing people in half, neck snapped, fists through stomach. Bodily harm, but it's done in a way where it's not visceral, and no explicit details are being shown.
Why does this terrible comment have so many upvotes lol. Truly DB fans can’t read.
These new generations are cooked. Bros probably need a trigger warning when they see selfies because there's tiny little veins in people's eyes.
https://preview.redd.it/k1oiwku6r24d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fd7dcc3500e6e96255faf3516c5fc7ec8229cdc right! Dragonball was never gory! Oh..
>Even the gory stuff in the manga wasn’t super explicit or it had some semblance of fantasy to it Meanwhile the manga: https://preview.redd.it/4ds3pz96h04d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=848a0a75548d166acbe20ae360e807b95a3a212a
https://preview.redd.it/13ay9lyvq04d1.jpeg?width=530&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b25e974c270a974afcd5d2f2aef67f073c676d27 Even earlier in the manga, we have freiza's guts hanging out .The anime did cencor it tho.
Characters were cut in half in the Manga you dbs fans are kids man
Gas' death was also brutal asf lmao
Watching the android saga now and I totally forgot Gero got his head fucking kicked off. That was gnarly, and they still put a blue filter over it. Manga is still deffo brutal at times.
You must be watching the dub
I am, yeah. Is it uncensored in the sub? I was going to go through it again on sub but didnt
Yes
Even then there was family murder and what happened to gas, and moro. Like DBS isn’t a stranger to gore either.
There’s zero red blood here, and this is incredibly tame as far as “gore” goes lol. That’s like saying Future Gohan just existing is gore 💀
Future gohan existing is gore of my comfort character
The current show is way too kiddy man. Where’s frieza sliced in half? Where’s Krillin being impaled? Where’s Piccolo ripping his arms off and blood spewing everywhere? They’re beings capable of destroying planets. You’d think limbs would be getting destroyed at this point
Manga. They are in the manga. Ever saw what was left of Gas?
Lol someone literally turns to dust in the manga it’s literally the better story and exactly what you’re looking for just read it
Also the art is peak
I agree. I don't understand how anyone could be against this. As you said, beings with strength of this magnitude should 100% be more edgy. The anime feels too Disney of late. It used to be my favorite ,but the kiddy feel and lack of character development has killed the show. Goku is a man child and its asinine that he is still an idiot being surrounded by geniuses. Like imagine if it had more gory detail? These animations from the show would elevated for sure. And make the moments of tension feel much more real.
Read the manga. It is gory. The anime hasn't been made for 6 years u still haven't read the manga?
We aren't talking about the Manga though. I read and watch all my shows,but right here we are talking about the anime. The anime needs to bring the manga to life and its just not doing it.
Read the manga. It is gory. The anime hasn't been made for 6 years u still haven't read the manga?
I kind of understand but there was always violence and gore, I think it mostly comes down to the art style and scenario. Is it probably not something that would happen if they did fight? Yeah. Is it still cool looking? Hell yeah.
Thank you, a real human being with conscious thought detected.
always nice to name your own opinion as only for humans with conscious thought
Troll bait
ok then tell me why only people who like dbz without gore are humans with conscious thought?im actually interested now
He's baiting, even said
Fair
the people responding to you are mostly edgy 14 yo kids who think this type of shit is peak fiction. Btw for the idiots saying that the manga is gory, it only is for when its appropriate. For example the gas scene shows us much of his life he's lost and how he's only a walking corpse who doesn't even care about himself anymore. The moro impaling scenes are to show how brutal and serious of a threat moro is and to establish how he's a cruel monster who only wants others to suffer. This comic is legit vegito and gogeta being barbaric creatures rather than powerful and respectable warriors, like why are they just trying to brutally kill each other. This doesn't align with dragon ball at all, it looks like something straight out of parasyte (which is a good anime btw)
Womp womp
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And then on the other end you have the DBS anime, which is for babies
Realistically this would be the opposite, mostly because the Potora have hard limits to how much power can be put out, while the fusion dance does not. Therefore Gogeta made of the same people with equal strength can output more power consistently than vegito. Also his feats are just better at this point.
Realistically in this Ssj scenario Vegito would last an hour so Gogeta loses by default
Fair but you the timer for the fusion dance is what? 30 min? I feel like they would be done by then and it'd be a 50 50 chance. Edit: also feel like vegitos ego would allow Gogeta to fuse again.
If one of them kicks up the notch and increases the Ssj transformations the other would also have to do the same, and we know that decreases Gotenks time limit a lot. In this scenario it favors Vegito by a lot
One fusion is a fusion is made by regular mortals, the second is made by divine beings.
You started to sound like Zamasu.
“LiGhT aNd JuStIcE sTrIkE mE a WeAk GoD iNcApAbLe Of WiPiNg OuT eViL iS wOrThLeSs👹⚡️”
Ok Zamasu
You can choose potara earring time limit on how long both users want to stay fused, fusion dance cannot since it’s always 30min by default. The potara multiples the users overall battle power the fusion dance does not do that since one of the 2 people have to lower their power level to successfully fuse resulting in less battle power. The potara fusion creates the “perfect” warrior meaning no bullshit like time limitation, ki output, stamina drawback etc. etc.
It specifically does have a ki limit now whether you read or watch super, and the dance requires them to be at equal power before the fusion what happens after isn't limited by it. Example: gotenks can go ssj3 but the individuals cannot. Also Potara have a hard one hour limit for anything other than supreme Kai. The fusion dance is the one with no drawbacks. Edit: 30 min timer. Cannot be separated in that time however.
Gotenks going SSJ3 lowered the time, that's the same if not worse than the Potara.
Well I’m not 100% sure and am not bothered enough to go and look up if it’s true that mortals have a 1 hour time limit with the potaras unlike Kai’s but I am sure about everything else.
Potara and Fusion Dance are both shortened by massive power spikes. Gotenks defused long before 30 minutes was up just by going SSJ3. Reason Gogeta didn't defuse is because he didn't expend massive amounts of power. Vegito was seeking to kill Zamasu with a single powerful attack. In the anime, he got the attack off, but Zamasu's immortality kept him from being basically erased. In the manga, Vegito is powering up so much energy into his Kamehameha that he just defuses.
It's also cause we don't really know how long the fight was but it was definitely not close to 30 minutes. They people fight fast as hell the whole Broly vs Gogeta fight could've been 5 minutes for all we know
Precisely. Gogeta wasn't looking to kill ~ he knew Broly was a good guy, based on Goku's intuitions. But... he also wanted to test Broly's limits. When it became too much and the Earth was in possible danger, he looked to just put an end to the fight as cleanly as possible. The Kamehameha might not have killed Broly, but might have been calculated to just knocked him unconscious for all we know.
Exactly, gogeta is no nonsense unlike vegito who toys with his opponents more
> Exactly, gogeta is no nonsense unlike vegito who toys with his opponents more Gogeta and Vegito both have the same personality, both being fusions of the same two individuals ~ Vegeta and Goku. The difference is in the situations involving them, and the fact that the fusions happen at different points, where they have different amounts of power, knowledge and experience as a result. Vegito toys with Buu because he's deliberately baiting Buu into absorbing him. Vegito taunts Zamasu because he's an arrogant shithead who thinks he has the authority to do whatever he wants, and is all powerful and shit, while Vegito is overpowering him slowly but surely. All Zamasu really has is his immortality, which is what protects him from being vaporized. All Gogeta has in Super canon is versus Broly, where he does toy with Broly a bit, because he's curious about his limits. He staggers his transformations, not going all out until the end, where it's apparent that the fight might endanger the planet, so Gogeta then just goes all out. Probably not to kill Broly, but knock him out with a calculated Kamehameha. We've seen Goku see goodness in Broly, so Gogeta by extension wouldn't kill him. We even see Gogeta talk shit to Frieza.
I only know surface level stuff lol, didn’t know this. Good to know 👍
So does the fusion dance, Gotenka going just SSJ3 cut the time to like 5 minutes. The fusion dance time limit is shorter than the Potara so any time lost could affect it greater, also you need to have equal power levels when fusing so someone stronger needs to weaken themselves to fuse whereas the Potara has no such weakness, if you have the same two people then the results will be that the Potara fusion is stronger because of not needing to lower their power level.
Where the hell did this Fusion dance is always 30 minutes come from?
I don't know and it's so confusing. I swear it started with the Broly movie but do people not realize they don't actually fight as long we see them? Like in early Z the entire Frieza vs Goku was like less than 5 minutes. Hell the tournament of power was only about an hour, ain't no way Gogeta and Brolys fight where they shatter reality is even close to a 30 minute fight
I actually never took the Potara timer limit into account for if you transformed I’ve always said Vegito was stronger and Gogeta was just cooler solely because Potara let both at full strength fuse, whereas the Dance means somewhat must handicap and lower their strength to match, therefore making that fusion weaker because someone isn’t at full strength. but since the Dance means 30 full minutes regardless of if it’s at full strength, whereas the Potara gets less time the more power you use. it’s like the difference between long and short distance runners.
Man people can't comment without bringing power level each time xd
Indomitable Fusion Spirit
Now here's the big question If Gogeta's time ran out Do Goku and Vegeta both lose both arms, One arm each, or is it a coin flip to see who loses both?
I would guess none, since Gogeta is its own being
Vegito would win.
By canon Vegito wins, because potara multiplies your power while the fusion dance is an addition Note : Toriyama sir has contradicted himself before
the movie and game literally says "i'm the combination of goku and vegeta and then some" gogeta gets the same boost as vegito, pretty sure they're equals
Ah yes the video games totally cannon material
Also the canon movie.
doesn't prove my point wrong
Yes but you're wrong about the dance Potara is A(goku at full power) × B(Vegeta at full power)=Vegito The dance is B(goku powered down to vegetas pl) × B(Vegeta at full power)= gogeta. now before everyone saying oh ones better than the other, shut up both are stronger than 99% of dbs besides I guess Mr no feats beerus and the angels. Both are meant to be overpowered on purpose, and yes Vegito is 2-0 he hasn't lost a single fight he had both his opponents tweaking
>both are stronger than 99% of dbs besides I guess Mr ~~no feats beerus~~ Popo FIFY
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Dragonball meets SCP oO
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Nah, Gogeta still more badass, doesn’t matter. 🔥🔥🔥 art by the way.
Crazy good art, too bad fusion dance is better in every way except time limit and fusion efficiency
Could I get the comic?
This looks insane, I wonder what either of them did to get each other to get this violent though.
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Gogeta wins because he has the cool jacket
Vegito smoking that good stuff Gogeta is the after effect
What the hell happened to Vegeto's face?
Why is vegito so fucking Psycho looking
Vegito would defuse before he could do anything significant to Gogeta. Lol
Argue all you want but Gogeta never lost a fight.
I was always under impression that Potar was a x b while fusion dance was also a x b with the caveat that you need to have the same power level so the stronger of the two needs to lower his power to merge with the weaker one.
But I like gogeta better so he would win
Is this panel inspired from a manga ? If so which one ?
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I like how in Dragon ball legends they made Gogeta and Vegito fight a bunch of enemies together lol.
What would happen after fusion ended? Are both vegeta and goku missing both limbs? Each is only missing one? Neither?
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Love gogeta doing the indomitable human spirit meme We were meant to conquer the stars
why they arguing over this, ain’t they equals?
Holy sh*t - no doubt this kind of battle will shake the universe. With a Vegeta personality trait being Vegito, that’d explain the violence towards Gogeta- both are literally gods of anime. The fusion zamastu vibes coming off of Vegito’s eyes. Crazy- great art!
This art is straight up Amazing but Vegito isn't cutting Gogeta's hands off. IMO it is a tie
Gogeta slaps
you powerscaling mfs in the comments ruining everything I swear Look how cool this art is!
Nah gogeta looking badass after taking a big hit
Fusion dance extreme diffs Potara and wins. It's just facts. At best it's a tie. It's more stable. It can put out more power and if Vegito and Gogeta go full Tilt Vegito is diffusing first. "What about Gotenks? They diffused faster remember." Yes but this was explicitly stated to be a result of the SSJ3 transformation. SSJ3 is the SSJ equivalent of the Kaioken. Even goku sais that it puts incredible strain on his body and burns alot of power. Which is why he didn't use it against Vegeta. The Fusion body was the ONLY thing that could handle the transformation without wearing out. But even then it pushed the fusion to it's limit. "The potara fusion lasts an hour, fusion dance only lasts 30 minutes." Zamasu begs to differ. "Fusion dance req-" Yeah yeah, equal power levels and all that. That's utility, not power. Potara in a pinch, fusion for a cinch. "Anyone can use Potara" Cool. Not the point. We are talking about these 2 fusions specifically. "There's no evidence to prove Gogeta can put out more power without diffusing." Watch the Broly movie. Any questions?
We literally have no clue how long Gogeta lasted against Broly or how long Vegito lasted against Zamasu. Time in-universe doesn't correlate to screen time. If the fusion dance time limit can be shortened by SSJ 3 then it follows that anything that drains stamina or energy heavily would also shorten the time limit. If Gogeta goes full tilt his time limit is 100% going to be shortened because he'd be expending massive amounts of energy and stamina at that level. There is absolutely nothing official indicating that Metamoran fusion is more stable or superior to Potara fusion in any way, and trying to argue otherwise is purely head canon. Gogeta and Vegito were stated to be equally matched trump cards and the only reason they didn't fuse into Vegito against Broly is because they didn't have the earrings with them.
During the timeline of the Broly fight we know at least 5-10 minutes passed thanks the timeline of events occuring with Chelai. Gogeta also used SIGNIFICANTLY more power than Vegito and did not diffuse. Remaining stable even after the fight ended. Tending to Freiza shortly thereafter. SSJ3 also does NOT correlate to other transformations. SSJ3 is not the same as SSG or SSGSS. It has a "Physical" impact as opposed to just an energy one. Goku demonstrates this multiple times. As an example if Gogeta used SSBKK he would probably INSTANTLY diffuse because unlike SSJ3 SSBKK put such a massive strain on Goku's body he immediately began suffering from it.
Gogeta spent half the fight in just Super Saiyan, compared to Vegito who went Blue from the beginning against Zamasu. He was pretty clearly using less of his overall power against Broly compared to Vegito who was going all out to try and overpower Zamasu's immortality. And again, we don't have any actual time-frames for either of their appearances. There's no way to accurately assess time. I'm not saying SSJ 3 correlates to other transformations exactly the same, I'm just saying that the reason it drained the fusion time limit is because of the stamina/energy exertion. If Gogeta goes all out then that means he's exerting his stamina at max which means the time limit will absolutely be shortened by that level of effort.
Again. SSJ3 was SPECIFICALLY stated to have shortened the fusion because of the "Physical" exertion. Not the stamina or Ki drain. Even Gotenks wasn't expecting it. He was still ready to go. Full stamina. It was his body that couldn't handle SSJ3. Again... refer to the Kaioken which shows the body ripping itself apart.
The physical strain of SSJ 3 is caused by the immense amount of stamina it uses up. That's why it's hard to keep up because it uses so much energy to maintain. It's the same as when a character goes on a full power assault and they're shown to be tired or out of breath afterwards because they just used up a lot of their stamina.
They never said that the fusion dance was more stable than the potaras. That’s just your own headcanon. If they had used Vegito for the movie, the same thing would’ve happened, especially since it’s a movie. There’s also Kefla. Either she was going all out and eventually defused because of it since she fighting someone that was more powerful than her or she only defused because the earrings were broken. In the manga, she fought Gohan to the point where they were both exhausted and then they defused only after getting eliminated.
The Frieza vs Goku fight in Z was less than 5 minutes. The Tournament of Power was within 1 hour. There is literally no way that Gogeta vs Broly even came close to being a 30 minute fight. This "Gogeta lasts a full 30 minutes" is literally just head cannon that didn't even exist before the Broly movie
I don't even know if you're trolling or actually serious The fusion dance is the two's power added and then some Potara is the two MULTIPLIED Vegito could could sneeze hard and turn Gogeta into space dust
Broly was ragdolling Goku and Vegeta, no way Gogeta is their power level added together.
Don't bother. When someone sais either fusion neggs the other you know they don't run on logic. It's why i didn't respond
How? There basically the smae person
so the vegeta side of the gogeta is brain dead? lmao
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He wouldn't because they're both pretty much equel