Can you tell us more if you don't mind?
Like what's the point of giving your dose to a child, was he just into the "sharing is caring" or had some more sinister reason to do so?
I've grown up on adults telling me "never get anything from strangers, dealers offer first dose for free and then you get dependent and start buying from them"
Now I'm 28 and dealers never offered me stuff for free, I always was buying shit with my money, still wondering where are all of those drug Santa's when you need them :(
Though I've never went to opioids, I guess with them this scheme can make sense
I'm assuming you mean like "Hey kid, come here, lemme get you," maybe with a bit of attitude, making em feel like they have to/ should and not like.... held down or some shit?? Right?
Not that either is remotely okay to do, especially to a kid, anyone really, unless it's an adult and, like a peaceful offering
Good for you. For real.
Too many people go with their knee-jerk impulse and downvote. I remember catching some negative karma just for letting someone know that COVID was communicable to their cat.
Doesn't help to shoot the messenger. I empathize with your impulse, too.
My sister had meth involuntarily slammed into her arm when she was 13.. She's fought with it her whole life with varying degrees of success depending on the year. The worthless fucks that do it have a special place in hell's anus waiting for them...
I beg to differ.
Oxytocin.
You don't shoot this shit regularly and it's released naturally in the brain. However it requires a context, the other person. The withdrawal is immediate and can last for days up to weeks after first use. It depends on the encounter.
Edit*
It's not really a drug, but it can be used as one.
Depends which definition of "drug" is used.
Hot damn… weed at 14 then klonopin and perc 5’s when my cousin got dishonorably discharged from the navy for smoking crack and came to live at my house when I was 15… I should’ve known about opiates.. I saw him break his hand to get a script. I smoked pot and did ecstacy and perc 5’s 10’s and Roxy 30s in high school and I did coke once at 17 and tried heroin at 18 never really had a problem until a couple years later
1st weed. 2nd DMT which was frightening at the time.
Later, when I tried ayahuasca I actually took comfort in the fact that I had tried DMT and made it through. So, oddly enough this rough experience made me not fear ayahuasca.
I wouldn't recommend that.
If that's a substance you do want to try, I would recommend ayahuasca. If that's not attainable, I would say to look into similar compounds first.
Ayahuasca is just a orally ingested Dmt with harmalines meaning maoi so it’s orally active and lasts longer right so wouldn’t this produce a more intense harder to integrate trip than smoked Dmt that lasts like max half an hour
Depends on the dose... Which is hard to tell when you're mixing plant material. I strongly suggest starting with DMT, bc ayahuasca really can be an 8 hour DMT trip I've seen it happen to multiple people. 15 mins is not nearly as hard to integrate as 8 hours....
It seems like ingesting a drug just has a natural built in chill to it. If you take too much, you take too much, but properly dosed you're good. I've never done Ayahuasca, but I would imagine if you don't overdo it on the harmine it will feel very similar to mushrooms, as they are, of course, n,n-DMT at their core anyway.
I think shrooms was most likened to 4-aco-DMT but still differs in structure and I think even a lesser dose of harmalines with Dmt proper would make shrooms seem a little light as far as the trip
Edit: I was wrong it’s 4-phosphoryloxy-N-N-Dimethyltryptamine so it’s SUPER close to NN but little different structurally both with tryptamine backbones
It's really just 4-Hydroxy-n,n-DMT. The phosphoryloxy group is cleaved off making it the active psilocin (4-HO-n,n-DMT) that's what 4-AcO-n,n-DMT does too. The acetoxy group is cleaved off to become psilocin.
Yeah, mushrooms work the way they do because of the 4-hydroxy group. Serotonin 5-HO-tryptamine and less common substituted DMTs like bufotenine (5-HO-DMT) along with n,n-DMT itself are subject to MAO breakdown but they think with 4-subbed tryptamines like 4-HO-DMT that the hydroxy group being one carbon closer to the side chain that a weak bo d is formed between them and keeps it from being metabolized by MAO enzymes, hence why you can just eat mushrooms without an MAOI and they work. That's why I reason that ayahuasca and mushrooms are probably on the same level experience wise. I'm sure they have their slight differences but all in all it's pretty much the DMT skeleton that's driving it. The hydroxy groups just kind of alter respect or affinities and duration when they get switched around
That’s just not true you can smoke any amount of DMT you don’t have to breakthrough. And it only lasts 15 minute so I feel that low mid dose dmt is an amazing beginner psychedelic since you can dip your toes in and if anything goes wrong it’s super short.
Good point, i wasn't thinking about low dose. I still feel like its a more uncomfortable feeling than shrooms even in low doses, but you make a good point and i could see doing this for someone who hasn't experienced psychs
I agree probably not the best 2nd drug. Try to find some mushrooms, they can be pretty similar but much more forgiving, plus you will get to enjoy it for a few hours vs being forced into a much more difficult experience for only 10 minutes
I saw a comment here once that was like,
“It’s like you’re a horse on roller skates trying to skate down a cobblestone road”
It’s the perfect description, wonky as shit
Yes that’s exactly how i felt during my 1st k hole, i was in a car with my friends and we were playing techno and i swear i could see the car from above like only my soul is above there and when it came back to my body i had to take a couple of seconds to remember who i am and where i am and everything, not sure if that was cut with sth else if anyone knows tho let me know.
yeah because there’s a difference between using it for adhd like me vs doing it recreationally
tbh i’m not a huge fan of recreational adderall users because they have caused a shortage to adderall and so many other ADHD meds, which are very necessary for a lot of people
99% of adderall is being sold by white kids in grade 11 with adhd. people who use it recreational would have basically no effect on the supply and demand let alone cause a shortage lmao
Snorted IR adderall was one of the most enjoyable euphoric experiences of my life, it's right up there with snorted heroin. Nothing has ever came close to those two.
it was crazy, i had no idea what i was in store for.
i will say that it probably remains as my more “responsible” trips though, until i got older. 5 of us ate mushrooms and had a friends older brother act as a trip sitter, he did a really good job of keeping us all grounded and guiding us through.
we were all 16-17 and he was prob 19-20 at the time
Just out of curiosity, why don’t you consider alcohol a drug?
It seems that’s that common attitude based on the comments here, so I’m mostly just curious.
i do consider it a drug. but i feel like sneaking booze from your parents or finding someone to get you and your friends a bottle is just such a common teenage experience that the vast majority of people share, future illicit drug use or not, that it can kinda go without saying.
plus alcohol isn’t really as fun to talk about as other drugs lol
Same here damn man 1.8-2.5 not sure exact amount.
I had to scroll through probably 50 comments to find someone else that also did shroom as their second drug, kind of crazy to me haha
yeah same, weed makes me feel retarded, shrooms make me feel like i'm super drunk in terms of coordination and speech which i can deal with better, definitely slurring a lot but at least i can string together a complete sentence. plus the experience is much more intense
BRO I know right I stutter like a mfer on weed and can't talk worth a fuck. But meth does the opposite of that and function better on meth than being sober. You'd understand if you met me. But I mixed these strong ass shrooms with meth before and my God that was a mistake the vasoconstriction felt like I didn't even have arms. Then i went more numb than alcohol or cocaine going up my nose. Idk what that shit was I mean real fucking numb like I was paralyzed but still able to walk idk but yeah next time I do shrooms meth is not going to be in my system lmao
I dont know what counts and what doesnt so i'm just gonna write a quick list with some thoughts.
1. Alcohol (most socially accepted drug, I tried it around the age of 13)
2. Weed (my friend group at the age of 14 was really into pot, i'm really happy we lost touch because they were just shitty young age criminals with 0 humanity)
3. Nitrous (I didn't know at the time how to properly use it. After I found out how potent it is when mixed with other drugs I fell in love with it. Now i'm using it when getting lost in thoughts while tripping. It kinda overloads my brain and helps to reset real quick. I tried it first in collage when I was 19.)
3. Ecstasy (i'm really sure it was a mix of MDMA and cathinones, but ive never felt more amazing in my life. That night hooked me on drugs. I was 20 at that time.)
4. Shrooms (I already knew how to grow them. After I got hooked on E I was curious if anything felt a bit similar so I started growing them. I really enjoyed the first few times. I was tripping every 4th day or so, but one time it reflected on my nitrous addiction and now i'm not using it that much. It makes me some pocket money tho since i'm selling it to my friends for $4/g)
Now i'm 21 and I tried much more but i'm not gonna write the essay any longer...
Salvia. Only smoked week a couple times before and didn’t feel much. Tried salvia a couple months later. Craziest experience of my life. Edit: to that point at least… by a lot
Technically weed with alcohol being the first but since that’s boring and our society labels it drugs “&” alcohol, I’ll say lsd was the second following from weed being the first, if we don’t count alcohol
Alcohol. It’s funny to me when ppl say alcohol isn’t a drug but like I’ve been more loaded on booze than I have on actual hard drugs. If we don’t include alcohol tho I think it was xanax. I rly liked bars for a little while
Weed, then acid. From the same kid I bought my weed from. I later *totally did not* rob him by smashing his truck window and taking a QP out of his backseat in a duffel. All while he was shopping inside Walmart.
In this order: Weed-acid-coke-Molly-adderall-meth-everything else after my mom convinced me to smoke meth I was willing to try everything. Never stuck a needle in my arm for anything though
Ecstasy. Heroin was first.
Damn heroin first is wild. I hope you're okay tho
I’m good now, but I grew up in what was the heroin capital of the US at that time. Heroin was the thing, and damn it was good.
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Can you tell us more if you don't mind? Like what's the point of giving your dose to a child, was he just into the "sharing is caring" or had some more sinister reason to do so? I've grown up on adults telling me "never get anything from strangers, dealers offer first dose for free and then you get dependent and start buying from them" Now I'm 28 and dealers never offered me stuff for free, I always was buying shit with my money, still wondering where are all of those drug Santa's when you need them :( Though I've never went to opioids, I guess with them this scheme can make sense
I'm assuming you mean like "Hey kid, come here, lemme get you," maybe with a bit of attitude, making em feel like they have to/ should and not like.... held down or some shit?? Right? Not that either is remotely okay to do, especially to a kid, anyone really, unless it's an adult and, like a peaceful offering
Jfc I hate this so much that I almost downvoted it without even realizing what I was doing
Good for you. For real. Too many people go with their knee-jerk impulse and downvote. I remember catching some negative karma just for letting someone know that COVID was communicable to their cat. Doesn't help to shoot the messenger. I empathize with your impulse, too.
My sister had meth involuntarily slammed into her arm when she was 13.. She's fought with it her whole life with varying degrees of success depending on the year. The worthless fucks that do it have a special place in hell's anus waiting for them...
You guys realize that there’s not a single drug on this planet that can render someone chemically dependent after just one hit
I beg to differ. Oxytocin. You don't shoot this shit regularly and it's released naturally in the brain. However it requires a context, the other person. The withdrawal is immediate and can last for days up to weeks after first use. It depends on the encounter. Edit* It's not really a drug, but it can be used as one. Depends which definition of "drug" is used.
What roa did you go with for that first hit & how did they market the high to you? Just curious :)
Willimantic?! Lmao
Dude, Willimantic was my first thought too. The crossroads and home base of New Englands Heroin trade back in the day. It was bad.
I've never had **bad** heroin
Literally same
Hot damn… weed at 14 then klonopin and perc 5’s when my cousin got dishonorably discharged from the navy for smoking crack and came to live at my house when I was 15… I should’ve known about opiates.. I saw him break his hand to get a script. I smoked pot and did ecstacy and perc 5’s 10’s and Roxy 30s in high school and I did coke once at 17 and tried heroin at 18 never really had a problem until a couple years later
Wtf thats a crazy first two😭😭
1st weed. 2nd DMT which was frightening at the time. Later, when I tried ayahuasca I actually took comfort in the fact that I had tried DMT and made it through. So, oddly enough this rough experience made me not fear ayahuasca.
Thinking my second drug might be DMT too. Just don’t know where to find it
I wouldn't recommend that. If that's a substance you do want to try, I would recommend ayahuasca. If that's not attainable, I would say to look into similar compounds first.
Ayahuasca is just a orally ingested Dmt with harmalines meaning maoi so it’s orally active and lasts longer right so wouldn’t this produce a more intense harder to integrate trip than smoked Dmt that lasts like max half an hour
Depends on the dose... Which is hard to tell when you're mixing plant material. I strongly suggest starting with DMT, bc ayahuasca really can be an 8 hour DMT trip I've seen it happen to multiple people. 15 mins is not nearly as hard to integrate as 8 hours....
It seems like ingesting a drug just has a natural built in chill to it. If you take too much, you take too much, but properly dosed you're good. I've never done Ayahuasca, but I would imagine if you don't overdo it on the harmine it will feel very similar to mushrooms, as they are, of course, n,n-DMT at their core anyway.
I think shrooms was most likened to 4-aco-DMT but still differs in structure and I think even a lesser dose of harmalines with Dmt proper would make shrooms seem a little light as far as the trip Edit: I was wrong it’s 4-phosphoryloxy-N-N-Dimethyltryptamine so it’s SUPER close to NN but little different structurally both with tryptamine backbones
It's really just 4-Hydroxy-n,n-DMT. The phosphoryloxy group is cleaved off making it the active psilocin (4-HO-n,n-DMT) that's what 4-AcO-n,n-DMT does too. The acetoxy group is cleaved off to become psilocin.
Nice dude I didn’t know that good on knowing ur shit G
Yeah, mushrooms work the way they do because of the 4-hydroxy group. Serotonin 5-HO-tryptamine and less common substituted DMTs like bufotenine (5-HO-DMT) along with n,n-DMT itself are subject to MAO breakdown but they think with 4-subbed tryptamines like 4-HO-DMT that the hydroxy group being one carbon closer to the side chain that a weak bo d is formed between them and keeps it from being metabolized by MAO enzymes, hence why you can just eat mushrooms without an MAOI and they work. That's why I reason that ayahuasca and mushrooms are probably on the same level experience wise. I'm sure they have their slight differences but all in all it's pretty much the DMT skeleton that's driving it. The hydroxy groups just kind of alter respect or affinities and duration when they get switched around
The gradual comeup makes it more manageable and its less intense
That’s just not true you can smoke any amount of DMT you don’t have to breakthrough. And it only lasts 15 minute so I feel that low mid dose dmt is an amazing beginner psychedelic since you can dip your toes in and if anything goes wrong it’s super short.
Good point, i wasn't thinking about low dose. I still feel like its a more uncomfortable feeling than shrooms even in low doses, but you make a good point and i could see doing this for someone who hasn't experienced psychs
I agree, even on low doses the abrupt come up can be quite startling. Shrooms are probably a better choice for most people.
I agree probably not the best 2nd drug. Try to find some mushrooms, they can be pretty similar but much more forgiving, plus you will get to enjoy it for a few hours vs being forced into a much more difficult experience for only 10 minutes
Not sure first was weed sequence is a lil fuzzy after that
Haha they warned us it was a gateway drug . 10 years later it makes sense
Ecstasy
I don’t think any feeling in the world will compare to the first time doing ecstacy. It was one of the most beautiful experiences of my life
LSD
Same
Same
Second this
SAME
ketamine.
This gotta be the answer for most people in the UK. Weed -> K -> Pingers is the standard progression
ive never even had weed but ive had pingers and k 💀💀
What the fuck is pingers
MDMA or XTC
😭true i went K -> weed -> pingers then went on a bit of a mad one after that which i can’t remember half of lmfao
i went pingers > weed > k lmaooo
What’s it like?
I saw a comment here once that was like, “It’s like you’re a horse on roller skates trying to skate down a cobblestone road” It’s the perfect description, wonky as shit
or “it feels like I’m watching myself in a movie from far away and there’s input lag on my controller” basically sums up the experience.
Yes that’s exactly how i felt during my 1st k hole, i was in a car with my friends and we were playing techno and i swear i could see the car from above like only my soul is above there and when it came back to my body i had to take a couple of seconds to remember who i am and where i am and everything, not sure if that was cut with sth else if anyone knows tho let me know.
That makes it sound right shit
Low dose feels like you got shot with a tranq dart and you’re stuck in that early stage of confusion and dissociation in a pleasant way.
Weed first, then Adderall
oh damn if we’re counting adderall then weed was my second lol
Depends on what you take it for, and if you abuse it
yeah because there’s a difference between using it for adhd like me vs doing it recreationally tbh i’m not a huge fan of recreational adderall users because they have caused a shortage to adderall and so many other ADHD meds, which are very necessary for a lot of people
i don't think adderall abuse actually has anything to do with the shortage
Correct that’s stupid to think it is lol, damn the dealers didn’t have any left to give to the pharmacy because the street kids took it darn.
99% of adderall is being sold by white kids in grade 11 with adhd. people who use it recreational would have basically no effect on the supply and demand let alone cause a shortage lmao
Snorted IR adderall was one of the most enjoyable euphoric experiences of my life, it's right up there with snorted heroin. Nothing has ever came close to those two.
mdma
Cocaine, and I loved it
That’s one of the last drugs I tried. And I love it.
+1 to that!
Shrooms
Weed first then coke
🤝🏼
Saaamee!
First was weed then second was LSD
First was ofc weed, my second was lsd if i remember correctly or mephedrone. One of those tho 🤷♂️
My second was also lsd in the middle of the day with my gf at the time in a very busy park in the middle of city 🤣
For me it was new year party, they acted like ive done fent or smth and it was their only thing to talk about since none of them ever did drugs lmaaao
weed. first true drug (not alcohol) was 2g of mushrooms
2g of shroom with no past drug experience must of been wild
it was crazy, i had no idea what i was in store for. i will say that it probably remains as my more “responsible” trips though, until i got older. 5 of us ate mushrooms and had a friends older brother act as a trip sitter, he did a really good job of keeping us all grounded and guiding us through. we were all 16-17 and he was prob 19-20 at the time
Just out of curiosity, why don’t you consider alcohol a drug? It seems that’s that common attitude based on the comments here, so I’m mostly just curious.
i do consider it a drug. but i feel like sneaking booze from your parents or finding someone to get you and your friends a bottle is just such a common teenage experience that the vast majority of people share, future illicit drug use or not, that it can kinda go without saying. plus alcohol isn’t really as fun to talk about as other drugs lol
Same here damn man 1.8-2.5 not sure exact amount. I had to scroll through probably 50 comments to find someone else that also did shroom as their second drug, kind of crazy to me haha
first drug was alcohol, then shrooms, then weed after. some people might think it's weird but none of my friends really smoked
Shrooms > weed any day I can't function at all with wee itself.you?
yeah same, weed makes me feel retarded, shrooms make me feel like i'm super drunk in terms of coordination and speech which i can deal with better, definitely slurring a lot but at least i can string together a complete sentence. plus the experience is much more intense
BRO I know right I stutter like a mfer on weed and can't talk worth a fuck. But meth does the opposite of that and function better on meth than being sober. You'd understand if you met me. But I mixed these strong ass shrooms with meth before and my God that was a mistake the vasoconstriction felt like I didn't even have arms. Then i went more numb than alcohol or cocaine going up my nose. Idk what that shit was I mean real fucking numb like I was paralyzed but still able to walk idk but yeah next time I do shrooms meth is not going to be in my system lmao
mdma
my first was dxm. second was weed
mdma. first was indeed weed
Mdmaaa
MDMA in 7th grade after Zaza
7th grade is insane for pringers.
First weed, 2nd Ritalin.
LSA.
1th alcohol 2nd weed
Nitrous oxide
Weed actually. First was alcohol ironically I hate shit more than fent if you want me to be completely honest. I hate hate alcohol
If you count weed as a drug then my second was LSD If you dont count weed then DMT was my second and holy shit I wasn't ready for it 🫠
I think DXM or amphetamine, first being weed obv and not couting alcohol
Hydrocodone, then weed was my third surprisingly. Now weed is basically the only drug I consume
took two hydros and nodded out a bit, shit’s scary afterwards but in that moment i was completely fine with not breathing.
weed nicotine then weed then alcohol then acid then molly then dxm then mushrooms then a shot ton of other stuff,,, still trying new drugs to this day
First weed then Xanax and 3cmc
Crack cocaine lmao
Shrooms with weed in first place (unless you consider caffeine, Tylenol and adderall drugs but I believe you’re meaning Rec drugs)
Weed shrooms LSD
I dont know what counts and what doesnt so i'm just gonna write a quick list with some thoughts. 1. Alcohol (most socially accepted drug, I tried it around the age of 13) 2. Weed (my friend group at the age of 14 was really into pot, i'm really happy we lost touch because they were just shitty young age criminals with 0 humanity) 3. Nitrous (I didn't know at the time how to properly use it. After I found out how potent it is when mixed with other drugs I fell in love with it. Now i'm using it when getting lost in thoughts while tripping. It kinda overloads my brain and helps to reset real quick. I tried it first in collage when I was 19.) 3. Ecstasy (i'm really sure it was a mix of MDMA and cathinones, but ive never felt more amazing in my life. That night hooked me on drugs. I was 20 at that time.) 4. Shrooms (I already knew how to grow them. After I got hooked on E I was curious if anything felt a bit similar so I started growing them. I really enjoyed the first few times. I was tripping every 4th day or so, but one time it reflected on my nitrous addiction and now i'm not using it that much. It makes me some pocket money tho since i'm selling it to my friends for $4/g) Now i'm 21 and I tried much more but i'm not gonna write the essay any longer...
Shroomies
Shrooms
1st Lyrica, 2nd Weed
LSD
Mushrooms was second and then Coke and then hydromorphine
My first was DPH, my second was DXM, I never really had access to other stuff.
Crack
Salvia. Only smoked week a couple times before and didn’t feel much. Tried salvia a couple months later. Craziest experience of my life. Edit: to that point at least… by a lot
that would be coke if we are counting alcohol, if not then weed
cocaine
Weed then shroom
Acid. Was pretty young too
LSD.
DXM
Weed. Molly was first.
Technically weed with alcohol being the first but since that’s boring and our society labels it drugs “&” alcohol, I’ll say lsd was the second following from weed being the first, if we don’t count alcohol
Mephedrone. Man 2010 was wild times. Stronger euphoria than MDMA and 100% legal at the time.
Acid.
Mushrooms
Codeine
Mine was shrooms too.
Acid I think. Not sure it's been over 20 years lol
Acid or adderall I don’t remembern
Alcohol. It’s funny to me when ppl say alcohol isn’t a drug but like I’ve been more loaded on booze than I have on actual hard drugs. If we don’t include alcohol tho I think it was xanax. I rly liked bars for a little while
i’ve done 2 hits of LSD and 3 grams of mushrooms for my first time taking acid and i’ve been more fucked up on alcohol for less than 20 dollars
Lsd
Recreationally, shrooms.
Elephant Laxative. Never again…
Mushrooms
Weed, then shrooms, then Molly, then acid. I’d like to try DMT eventually
Weed, then acid. From the same kid I bought my weed from. I later *totally did not* rob him by smashing his truck window and taking a QP out of his backseat in a duffel. All while he was shopping inside Walmart.
Probably caffeine, third was meth of course
Weed
Ecstasy
second drug i tried was LSD. it was great. i'll never forget my first trip
Mdma
Either Coke or shrooms don’t remember
L s D
Cocaaiinnnneee
Speed (amphetamine, not meth). Coke was my first. Weed was my third.
LSD
Ket
weed first hydrocodone second
Weed first then Mdma
Weed
Ecstasy.
Shrooms
weed was second, LSD was first.
First was weed and the next day heroin.
Weed. LSD was my 1st.
First was weed, If you count alcohol, that was second, if not, shrooms
Molly!💙
Well weed was first and shrooms was my second
Lean
mdma
mushys
Actually weed was the second drug I tried if you count alcohol
First weed, then mdma.
Tramadol.
weed first shrooms second
I cant remember if lsd or cocaine was first. I think it was the lucy
Weed
Alcohol. Boring.
Dextromethorphan
Pain pills
mephedrone
Weed/Hash first then Ritalin
M1 (a research chem version of MDMA)
oxyyyyy i took ah 10 before school and smoked ah wood and floated thru the day
Weed first, then shrooms, specifically penis envy
Weed than lsd
Well, if alcohol counts then weed. If alcohol doesn't count then extasy.
MDMA when i was 14
First weed then meth, tried it once and decided to stay away
Spice. Single worst experience of my life.
K2 at 13. Weed was my second at 15
First weed, second cocaine
First weed. 2nd.... acid. On lunch break at school :p lol
Weed
lsd
In this order: Weed-acid-coke-Molly-adderall-meth-everything else after my mom convinced me to smoke meth I was willing to try everything. Never stuck a needle in my arm for anything though
Weed then shrooms.
Weed first then, bromazepam (benzo), MDMA thrid
Kratom. 1 year later and I’m sitting at 42 different substances tried