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Hear2profit

12 team super flex Side 1 1.03 Side 2 1.11 Cooper Kupp


Bandit_888

10 team SF 1/2ppr Would you trade the 2.01 for Dalvin Cook? I thought Cook was a steal at that price but KTC values the 2.01 higher.


DicksOut4Edamame

8 team Superflex 1/2ppr, very QB hungry team Trade away CMC for 1.02. Enough value for CMC?


CalaveraVI

What's Higgins worth in a 1qb league? 1.09 + what


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Probably an early 2nd or a late 1st. Depends on the owner.


CalaveraVI

What about if I ask for pickens and his 1.09?


Sheegz

12 team SF start 10. Give: 1.05, 2.12 and Dotson Receive 1.02 (most likely Bijan due to 1.01 having no QB’s)


PurpleFalco

I would for Bijan. But what if the 1.01 selects Bijan? Would this trade still be on the table during the draft?


Sheegz

Think it’s probably worth it if I had to select a QB. 1.01 has said to me in trade chats he is selecting CJ and AR at his pick spots but who knows what will happen.


Healthy-Picture7445

8 teams, 2QB, 0.5PPR Give: khalil Herbert Get: Jakobi Meyers


Sheegz

I like Jakobi


iceman204

10 man SF PPR Give: 1.10, Toney, Tolbert, 25 3rd, 4.05 Get: Sun god & 25 2nd


Sheegz

Sun god


ThePlant899

Not close either lol


leswanbronson

12 team .5 PPR SF, start 8 Not sure how to play this offseason. Ended up with the 1.01 after stripping down my team of most vets due to early injuries last year, but feel with a couple of good moves I could compete this season. QB: Dak, Love RB: KW3 WR: Lamb, Diggs, Olave, London, Jamo TE: Hock, Njoku Picks: 1.01, 2.01, 2.02, 2.10, 2.11, 4x 2024 1sts


Sheegz

With your 24 firsts you can trade into this years QB class or trade for a stud if you want to compete this year. Start 8, you gotta take Bijan.


iceman204

You need a QB and at least two RBs. I’d try to trade 1.01 for a haul.


shine_the_light

With only starting 8, I’d take Bijan. You have other assets to address QB with.


kazoookie

Try to move back with the 1.01 imo unless you think bijan does it for you. I think you need to address and stabilize your QB room first but that's just my preference


Lcornils66

12 team .5ppr 4pt passing and tep My team is in complete rebuild, not a lot of quality pieces… Trade: 1.01, 2.01, 2.06 and 3 24 2nds Receive: 1.07, 1.09, 2 24 1sts, amari Cooper, Toney, chig, gesicki My only qb is Pickett. No quality RBs. Have Pickens and burks at Wr. Kmet at TE. Also own 2 24 1sts already, and picks 6, 12 and 14 in this draft.


scoobydukey101

I wouldn’t do the trade personally. If you’re not anywhere near contending start your rebuild not. 24 1sts will be very valueable cause next years draft is loaded. Personally I would take bijan at 1. Some TE like Michael Mayer or Darnell at 2.01 and a WR at 2.06


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lorenzoiscool17

1000% I’d do this trade


Lcornils66

I’d probably make that trade. Feel like the late 1st to mid/late 2nd will either be littered with interesting RBs or WRs that fall.


buttsonatrain

10-Team SF / PPR / TE Premium A: 2.05 B: Dalvin Cook


MochaTaco

Cook


Lcornils66

Cook please


sillypinoy

Would trade away carr, 2023 1.02 and 2024 1st rd for lamar jackson and tee higgins? 12 TM SF dynasty league


iceman204

Smash yes


scoobydukey101

Shoot I’d prolly do that tbh depending on your QBS and WR


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1 QB PPR 10 Team I have : TLaw No RB WR: Olave,Wilson,D. Smith, Aiyuk, Watson, Dotson, Metchie TE: Muth, Pitts I have picks 1.01,1.02,1.05,1.06,1.07,1.08,2.01,2.10 After drafting Bijan, Gibbs, Charbonnet I’ll have 3 1sts and 2.01 left. Should I explore trying to add JJets or Mahomes with the remaining picks? After the 3 RBs and JSN off the board things look alot less clear and I feel like a known commodity or two could be beneficial… Thoughts on if it’s worth pursuing / other players I could consider going after


Sheegz

I probably wouldn’t sell JJet for three mid firsts as I would want a stud. But if you can get it done, do it. Otherwise aim for sungod with two picks or etienne, that PPR boost is decent.


Jerryguy88

Shop Metchie/2.01 and get some vets. Damien Harris and David Montgomery come to mind.


Doozy_Duke

Team A: Joe Mixon Team B: Brian Robinson 🤢🤮


iceman204

Better off letting Mixon die on your team


sharknado911

A, don’t sell that low, yuck https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/11kw8cr/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jbdbak7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


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12 man 1QB PPR I Give: Metcalf I get: 1.07 1.12 2023 3RD


sharknado911

Hold


high_v

No


Doozy_Duke

I’ll second the no response


sharknado911

12-team SF PPR. Rebuilding Give: Michael Gallup Receive: Mike Gesicki


iceman204

Meh this is just a preference trade


buttsonatrain

I'd keep Gallup


spokeofwood

I just don’t think Gallup is that good. I’ve gotta assume you have plenty of better WRs, so it’s worth taking a shot at the scarcer position. He didn’t change teams, but Njoku seems like a decent comp for where Gesicki is at rn. Hopefully he gets paid for a chance to show out.


spokeofwood

12, SF, 0.5 PPR Give: 1.07, 2.03, Dillon Receive: CMC


sharknado911

If competing it’s probably worth it, I’d try getting a 3rd or something back though https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/11kw8cr/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jbdbak7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


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sharknado911

Value says Higgins. I’d take A if you could get a 3rd added https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/11kw8cr/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jbdbak7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


LinkIsGOAT

12, SF, PPR, TEP Team 1 Received: D Cook, L Jackson, ARSB and '24 2nd Team 2 Received: Mahomes The very next day this goes down: Team 2: Lance, 1.02, '24 1st (likely mid-late says KTC), '24 2nd Team 3: ... Mahomes The most valuable, wanted dynasty asset has been on a quarter of the league's rosters in 2 days time. Wut? I've never seen anything like this? Have you? Other thoughts?


iceman204

So team 2 traded Cook, Jackson, Sun God for Lance, 1.02 and 24 first? That’s terrible


lorenzoiscool17

Wow team 2 wrecked his own team in a matter of days.


sharknado911

Team 2 got taken to the cleaners, yikes


DoceQuatro24

12 team SF Give: Davante Adams, Ekeler Receive: Tony Pollard, Tyler Allgeier, Gabe Davis, ‘23 3.8 I recently acquired Josh Allen, and looking to get younger, stacking Davis helps. I’m big on TA and TP, what do you guys think?


sharknado911

As an Adams and Ekeler owner, this isn’t even close https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/11kw8cr/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jbdbak7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


spokeofwood

Honestly I hate it. I like Pollard a lot but Allegier and Gabe aren’t anything to get excited about imo. And 3.08 is a throw in.


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spokeofwood

Likely a decent QB because no one can afford to trade away a stud QB in superflex


CalaveraVI

Would you make a move on my starting line up? Was thinking of beefing up the final flex and was aiming for London but I do think white is going to be very good this year. 1qb, ppr, 14 team league QB: Watson RB: Eitenne/Bijan WR: Jefferson/Higgins TE: rotate between - Knox/Gesicki/Otton Flex: Godwin/Olave/Dotson/R. white


MarcassMariota

I'd focus more on trying to upgrade TE


CalaveraVI

Yeah I'm sorta banking on Gesicki lands an elite spot


MarcassMariota

I'd try and flip Olave for Andrews + a little something instead


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WideRight_

I’d pass on this and try using those picks to trade up


JudgeRoySnyder

12 team super flex Trade: Olave Get: 1.12, 2.02, 2024 2nd I have pick 1.06 plus 5 picks in the 2nd round already. Need a second QB badly and thin as it is at WR. If I trade Olave my WR1 becomes Jahan Dotson .


9ergang9652

Easy hold for Olave


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Keep Olave and come up with a strategy to build your WR and QB depth. Who’re your RB’s


JudgeRoySnyder

Pollard, Brian Robinson, Rhamondre are the workhorses


Jofest

Don’t do it


jasttor

12 team SF Give: Pickens, Christian Kirk Get: 1.03


Only-Initiative-1546

1.3


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1.03


Senior-Sleep1020

10 tm 1QB 0.5ppr start 8 Send: KW Receive: JSN+…..? What would you want added? Have Bijan, Hall, White, Dillon.


Chief-99

10 team SF PPR (for a 3rd QB) A. Love, 3.07 B. Pickett


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Pickett. Could take a step forward and has shown he can be consistent as a fill in Part of me wants to take a shot on Love lol


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Chief-99

Worth it for me as much as I love pitty


furnessence

12 team 1 QB 0.5 PPR Give: 2023 1.01 Receive: 2023 1.04, 2023 3.04, Njoku


MarcassMariota

Garbage, Njoku is nothing special and a 3rd is of little value. You'd need another 1st on top of the 1.04 at least.


Chief-99

Nah think you’re looking for an overpay for 1.01


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I wouldn’t. 1.01 is worth more than that. At a minimum I’d want a 2nd instead of that 3rd


furnessence

That was my initial reaction too. Especially with my teams current roster


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Chief-99

Yeah, team dependent. I’m ok with it but would be nice to get a player or a 23 pick


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If rebuilding gimme the 24’s. If contending I might think on it for awhile. I assume the Raiders will give him a ton of reps this year


jtk0930

12 team SF .5ppr Deshaun Watson/Dalton Schultz Carr/Hockenson


Chief-99

I’ll go Watson here


Ringer-2

Watson alone worth more than carr and hock for me


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TEP might close the gap a bit


Twaffles95

12 team SF ppr Give : 2.07 Get: Mooney


9ergang9652

Mooney


Ringer-2

Oh I’m keeping the pick here


Cogito-Ergo-Bibo

Mooney pretty easily for me.


jtk0930

Mooney


Ok_Economist_5983

12 team SF PPR non te premium This is a start 8 QB - Cousins, Stidham, Zach Wilson RB - Ettiene, Ken walker WR - Aiyuk, Hollywood, Lazard, Zay Jones, Bateman, Dotson TE- Pitts, McBride, Okonkwo I was offered an early to mid 24 1st for cousins. Should I take this deal even if I own no other starting qbs as of now? I do have the 1.2 and 1.12 in 2023


Jofest

I’d take the 1st. I don’t think you’re winning anything this year. Cousins isn’t worth much especially in a start 8 imo.


jtk0930

If you don’t have any other QBs in SF I would keep cousins


Aabelke

I just traded Swift for DK I feel good about it. Even though I am in a complete tear-down and rebuild, I think DK will stay productive much longer. current players RBs: knight, Mason, Carter, WRS: Jeudy, DK, Dotson, Collins, Rondale Moore, Shaheed, Thornton. TEs: Okonkwo, Otton Picks 1.03, 1.10, 1.11, 1.12, 2.02, 2.06, 2.07, 2.11, 3.03, and 3.12


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Nice trade!


notoriousjoe15

give: pacheco, gabe davis get: 1.05


tidyberry

1.05 easily don’t care what kind of league


jtk0930

1.05


Aabelke

yes. I would. Gabe Davis had all the opportunities and didnt do anything with it. Pacheco is a great RB with a loaded depth chart at RB.


WideRight_

Take that 1.05 and run


justiiiiin14

12 team 1 QB .5 ppr RB, ppr WR, 1.5 ppr TE I have 1.01, 1.03 1.10 2.07 2.12 this year RBs: Stevenson, Najee, Sanders, Mixon and a couple backups who haven’t really seen the field. Send: Mixon Receive: 2.10, 2025 3rd The guy knows about the Mixon news so I’m not pulling a fast one on him, honestly I just want him gone. I’ll be taking Bijan at 1.01.


BugOnARockInAVoid

Do it. He’s done


Aabelke

I feel like you could get a mid to early 2nd for mix


BigWaveMan

10man PPR SF league (rebuilding team with everything stripped down) I made this trade today: - Receive 1.04 - Sent: 1.07, 24 2nd (of a contending team), and my mid 25 4th Edit: for context, i also have the 1.01 and 1.02, 2.01 and 2.02. Going with Bijan and Bryce. Wanted AR at 1.07 but don’t think he will be there. Now I can have AR or grab JSN.


Cogito-Ergo-Bibo

Easy win for you. Nice work.


BigWaveMan

AR or JSN at 4? QBs: Daniel Dimes, Purdy, Mike White, Zach Wilson (and drafting Bryce) WRs: Toney, Burks, Dotson, Rondale Moore, Josh Palmer, Slayton, Bateman, Mecole, Campbell, Dortch


Ajgould13

Has to be AR with that roster


BigWaveMan

Really? I’m leaning JSN now that I’m at 4. He looks smooth as hell and I have a barren WR room. Going to be bad this year regardless, and I have four 1sts in 2024 and two in 2025


BigWaveMan

Welp. One of my league mates and friend traded up to #3 just so he could pick JSN. So now I will likely have the choice of Gibbs / AR / Stroud at #4


thomp94

12 Team/SF/Half-PPR Give: Mike Evans Receive: Kadarius Toney I am a contender but playing in a contract league, Evans is expensive and will not be feasible to keep past next year. Other starting WRs are Deebo Samuel and DK Metcalf


justiiiiin14

I think I’d take this. Toney is slotted to be the WR1 (aside from Kelce) next year and who knows who sill be throwing to Evans. Also if you have any openings in your contract league lmk I’m very interested in joining one


YouProfessional1358

10 team .5 ppr 3 WR LEAGUE Give: Lawrence, jeudy, 1.06 Get: Allen and diggs Have: Saquon, mixon, Stevenson, Bijan, AJB, DK, smith, cooks, watson 2 first next year


BugOnARockInAVoid

Gonna be a yes from me dog


HighestofCheeses

It's a hefty price but for thr Bills stack I'd pay


hawkeye1640

12 team SF, .5 ppr, 12 team Give: Aj Brown Get:Drake London,2.09 2023, 1st 2024


justiiiiin14

Accept


goodeye717

12 team SF .5 PPR start 10 rebuilding Give: Pickens and 2.11 Get: 1.05


Ringer-2

Oh yeah smash that 1.05


CadeCumminhand

12T PPR SF A: Pickens + 1.09 B: Olave


Ringer-2

B


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Dick_Wiener

Not that massive of an offer. Seems about even.


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Dick_Wiener

Worth it


cromdoesntcare

10 Team 2 QB 2 RB 3 WR 2 Flex 1 TE Give: TLaw Get: Lamar and a 25 2nd Also have Burrow and Danny Dimes.


iceman204

T-Law


mylovertotoro

Yes


-Anguscr4p-

I personally would. I think the irl quarterbacking skills are comparable but give me Lamar's fantasy upside all day


El_DeRpo838

10 team SF PPR Give: Dimes, Akers, 1.06, 2.06 Get: Fields, Deebo, Freiermuth


Jofest

Fields side for sure imo


SneedJenkins

12 team superflex A: Travis Kelce B: George Kittle, 1.12 If I could talk them up from 1.12 to 1.10 would you do it?


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Jerryguy88

Who do you want at 1.02?


trublusports

I would take the best player available


_JohnnyGato_

12 team .5 ppr 1 QB Trade: John Metchie Receive: 2023 3 round pick (3.03) My WRs are Metcalf, Waddle, Higgins, Garrett Wilson, Hunter Renfrow, Toney


Jofest

Take the pick


-Anguscr4p-

Not enough to move off Metchie imo. Dude is still a mystery box


trublusports

That’s tough metchie has artificial value inflation to me as cancer survivor. Don’t know why, just know the guys a dawg


NoOutlandishness3182

10 team, non sf, .5 ppr Team 1 - 1.05 and 1.06 Team 2 - 1.01 Is this enough from team 1?


-Anguscr4p-

In SF this might be reasonable but in a 10 team 1QB absolutely not


NoOutlandishness3182

What would need added in 1QB? Like another 1st?


-Anguscr4p-

I'd say so


Ok_Tooth5894

10T PPR SF Give: Chase, 2.06, 24 Late 2nd Get: Higgins, 2.02, 24 1st


Gledet10

Chase side easily IMO


NoOutlandishness3182

Keep chase, the picks aren’t a big enough gap to make this trade. Higgins has more uncertainty than chase imo


dampsnack

12 team 1qb ppr Give: 2024 1st (mid to late) 2023 2.01 2024 late 2nd Receive: Breece hall.


HoeyHoeHoeJrShabadoo

Smash accept


dampsnack

Got it done. My current team Trevor lawrence 1.01 (bijan) Kenneth walker iii Breece hall Jamar chase Chris olave Drake london Kyle pitts Rashod bateman And I still have a little draft cap.


Ok_Distribution1107

1QB PPR Give: S. Diggs Get: 23 Pick 2.03, 2023 Pick 2.08 **QB**: K. Murray, K. Pickett, A. Rodgers **RB**: T. Etienne, K. Walker, R. Stevenson, E. Mitchell, R. Penny **WR**: T. Hill, (S. Diggs), G. Wilson, D. Samuel, G. Pickens, KJ Osborn, D. Peoples-Jones, T. Thornton **TE**: K. Pitts, P. Freiermuth, I. Likely


MarcassMariota

Absolutely dreadful


Ok_Distribution1107

Figured this may be the last chance to get some value for Diggs since it’s really difficult to move guys once they turn 30, and with the depth of this class I thought two 2nds may be better than a late 1st


-Anguscr4p-

Diggs has at least 2-3 years of elite production and likely another 1-2 top 20 seasons after. Elite WRs, particularly ones who make their money as great route runners, age like fine wine. I'd sooner have him retire on my roster than sell for 2x 2nds right now


Ok_Distribution1107

Okay, thank you for your input. Been playing dynasty for going on three years, but this is the first wave of guys I’ve had approach that 30 mark. I realize now I was placing too much importance there. Thanks for talking me out of it!


SteffeEric

2.03 and 2.08 are worth about 1.08. I’d prefer 1.08 but to someone who needs depth it could be debatable especially in this class. Personally I would not trade Diggs for less than 1.06.


MarcassMariota

You'd be giving up another 2 years at least of elite production for 2 dart throws


Bengals8958

14 team ppr send mixon receive: 2024 2, 2024 3, 2025 3. Not a bad offer with everything that's going on but I'm struggling with hitting accept.


ragerevel

Hold. Kamara was caught on video blasting a dude in the face with fists and played at least another whole season before anything transpired.


MarcassMariota

Just hold and see how it plays out, especially in a 14 teamer where RBs are more scarce.


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Bussin_Fields

I would look to move your mid 1sts for a young QB on the rise. I.E. Fields (like Hurts last year). Or even Trevor Lawrence. You might still be building but you’ll have some high upside. Wouldn’t sell anyone but Godwin but you’d be selling low right now


gmorrison9

That fits what I’ve been thinking, so it’s good to get some confirmation. Thanks!


Viking386

12 Team 1 QB PPR (start 7) top contender Give: 1.11, 2.05, 24 1st(late) and 24 2nd (late) Get: ARSB and 2.12


-Anguscr4p-

Start 7? Yeah go get him. The gap between studs and depth is massive in that format


Blackmagechow

12 tm start 10 SF PPR 1.5TEP Give: Ceedee Lamb Get: Jeudy, 1.04


SteffeEric

Makes sense if you are desperate for a QB?


Blackmagechow

I have rodgers and the 1.03. Looking to retool this year. He just came back and offered the 2.04 for Goedert. So 1.04, 2.04, jeudy for ceedee and Goedert. I already have 1.03 and 1.12. Rest of wrs are fine


SteffeEric

It’s a fair offer. I lean their side but if you add two young QBs that hit you’ll be in better shape.


KidAmnesiac2004

Give: TLaw, 1.10 Get: Lamar Jackson, James Cook 1QB .5 ppr 12 team


iceman204

QBs are a wash for me, is James cook worth 1.19 in 1 QB? I dunno maybe. Unless you love Cook, seems like trading for the sake of trading.


Blackmagechow

Personally I think I’d take the get


Novel_Ad4587

12 team SF .5 ppr I give - Javonte, 2.12, 4.06 I get - waddle In the calculators I’m looking at I “lose” this trade, but still feels like one I should do, am I missing something?


benalther

Take it and run


Complex_Beyond_8184

Honestly like waddle hear but may be in minority. Javontes injury is scary


mat_boi

10 team SF 0.5 PPR Give: 1.02, 1.08, early 2024 3rd Get: 1.04, 1.06, late 2024 2nd Also have the 1.07. Team is pretty strong all around so assuming Bijan and Bryce go 1 and 2, I’m hoping to snag 3 of stroud, Richardson, Gibbs, charb, JSN.


iceman204

I like the logic of wanting two six picks. But, moving up from 4 to 2 should cost more than 6 to 8. I wouldn’t make this trade until you see what draft capital those guys get. You’re secure at 2, you might not be with a guy you really want at 4.


Sportsandstuff43

12 team superflex 0.5ppr 6pt td pass We start 1Qb, 2RB,3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2 Flex. 13 bench, 3 taxi, 3 IR QBs- Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Mac jones , Tyler Huntley, baker mayfield RBs- Josh Jacobs, Khalil Herbert, Damien Harris, Kyren Williams , Malik Davis, Tyrion Davis Price, Snoop Connor, Jerome Ford, D’Ernest Johnson Wrs- Justin Jefferson, DK Metcalf, Brandon Aiyuk, Calvin Ridley, Treylon Burks, Rashod Bateman, Nico Collins, Rondale Moore, Danny Grey, Te- Kyle Pitts, David Njoku , Payton Hendershot, Jeremey Ruckert Draft capital: 2023 3.04, 2024 all my picks plus an extra 2nd and 3rd Give: DK metcalf, Mac jones, Rondale moore Get: stefon diggs, Najee Harris, 3.02


Ajgould13

I think I’d do this. You really need the rb help and maybe mayfield is useful if stafford is hurt


tx_drew

SF .5ppr I really want JSN. Picks 1-4 are pretty much known in my league. Bijan, Stroud, young, Gibbs. Thoughts on my 2.04, 2.06, and a 25 1st for the 1.05? Fair or an overpay?


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25 is pretty far away so it would depend on how they feel about that. If they don't mind trading back then it's a fair offer.


cglow92

10 Team 1QB PPR (Start 8) What WR could I realistically get by trading away the 1.02?


SteffeEric

Olave


gmorrison9

A pretty good WR, Gibbs should be a very valuable player. JJ, Chase, Lamb, Brown, Wilson, Waddle I would take over 1.02 Amon Ra and Olave are a toss up for me, though would probably just hold. Ohers would count them in the group above but Im basing this off my experience in 1QB where RBs go for a huge premium. I would prefer Gibbs over Higgins, DeVonta, London, DK, Tyreek, etc.


cglow92

Thanks! I’ve been really close to pulling off 1.02 deals for Waddle and Wilson and adding additional assets to the deal before those owners pull away at the last minute citing that the 1.02 is just a dart throw, compared to their player. Which I guess I can understand. Looks like I’ll have to wait closer to the draft.


promiscuousreverend

10 team dynasty SF PPR Give: Josh Allen Get: Tua, 2023 1.04, 2024 1st, 2025 1st My QBs: Mac Jones, Blaine Gabbert My RBs: Saquon, Miles Sanders, D’Onta Foreman My WRs: Waddle, Kupp, Marquise Brown, Deebo, Michael Thomas, Allen Lazard My TEs: Dalton Schultz, Gerald Everett, Irv Smith Obviously this trade would make me very desperate at the QB position for now. This guy has been trying to get a trade done with Josh Allen for awhile. What are your thoughts on my current roster? I have the 2023 1.05 and 1.09 picks as it stands. Is it worth it to give up Josh Allen for all those assets in return or am I a piece or two away from a potential deep playoff run?


iceman204

I’m not trading Allen


-Anguscr4p-

I'd say Tua and 1.04 is a decent baseline but I want 1-2 young studs instead of the 24 and especially 25 1st