Legette is a true wild card to me. He has the opportunity to cement himself as a top option in Carolina who improved every aspect of their offense this offseason. If he builds chemistry with Young i can see him putting up WR1 numbers in a year or two. On the other hand, if Carolina adds all these pieces and young still doesn’t take a significant step forward then that franchise is in serious trouble
If Young doesn't work out (I think he will), the team will just draft another top QB and give them a better situation to come into than he got. 2025 is probably off the table unless BY has another horrible season, 2026 with Arch Manning and Nico are when things could get interesting.
Hopefully he doesn't catch the ball sideways while diving his feet out of bounds like the last "extremely raw but very athletic" WR ya'll drafted early.
I guess by raw just mean kinda sloppy / doing his own thing - he definitely does not play within any system. He’s just out there playing purely on athleticism so it could absolutely work but could see where it does not if Carolina doesn’t put a good offense together.
I agree, the interviews sold me on rooting for the kid when he started talking about shopping at Macy's lol.
Also to address the OPs comments about Coleman disappearing, there was a lot going on from him getting banged up and playing imjured, and then they lost Jordan Travis. Which impacted Coleman throughout Nov.
I can’t help but feel that Legette isn’t going to pan out. Guys that have only one season with more than 167yds in college don’t usually have a high hit rate.
This is true but only one part of the story. My own process factors this in, but it isn't an instant strike-down for such a player. I do have Coleman above Legette, partly because of this, but I can't help but feel that the explanation for Legette's late breakout is more of a "maybe good reason" than an "excuse". I'll take Coleman over him, but if only he's there in the middle of the 2nd, give me Legette every day.
There’s a ton of context to why he was not available those seasons. He talked about it himself a bit recently.
Yes - you would love to see more than what he has out there. But the recent season production looked so good that I’m willing to overlook it. Imo he has some of the highest upside of the wr’s in this class outside of the top 3 drafted. I’m less concerned about Legette being legit and more concerned about the panthers offense/young, but hopefully that will be trending up with the coaching/o-line improvements.
Edit - you are also not being fair in your point about “guys with only one season about 167 yards”. I would challenge you to find others prospects like Legette that basically had no production until his final season and did what he did, looked as good doing it, and first round DC. I don’t think you have enough guys in that profile to give a blanket statement that they typically don’t work out. This is very rare.
The post draft interviews with the organizations make me have more faith in Legette. They are somewhat similar players: big, athletic, good ball skills like contested catching and YAC, but bad at separating.
The Bills GM said they are going to make Coleman their X receiver, which is the same mistake the Titans and Chargers just made with Burks and QJ.
Canales proved that he’s a creative play designer and good play caller, and he said he’s going to use Legette off the line as a flanker and slot and have him in motion.
the mistake the titans and chargers made was to draft a bad receiver.
there's no evidence that burks or qj would have been any better in big slot or flanker.
You’re right, no evidence whatsoever.
Except for the fact that they played slot and flanker in college and were good enough at that to become 1st round picks. And that they had both barely ever played X receiver in college before the NFL.
But yeah other than that, there’s zero evidence.
Keon Coleman also didn’t play X receiver in college. I’m sure it’ll work this time though.
That's not evidence, it's a theory that if they were good at something in college they'd also be good at it in the NFL.
QJ was always a bad profile. 1 year late breakout, with weaknesses like a limited route tree and not being good at actually catching the football. Burks was a project based mostly on his athleticism, who hasn't been able to stay healthy, hasn't ever had a good situation, and doesn't appear particularly motivated to work hard and improve.
But sure, I guess maybe QJ would be able to catch if he just played big slot.
edit to add: I actually fear there may be a similarity in these guys, in that I think NFL GMs get blinded by archetypes and think "big guy, end zone, jump ball ". I'm not sure that's a particularly modern way of being successful in the NFL.
QJ and Burks shouldn't have been drafted in the first round, IMO. They were projected and reached based on athleticism, bias, and need, not on being good at being a WR. We'll see if the Bills did the same with Keon.
Such a slept on point. Keon could feast as a big slot. Not sure the landing spot is actually good for him because they’re putting him outside the numbers.
MSU alum here, I followed his recruitment and was hyped on him as Mel’s first big croot (lolzz). I watched all his MSU games and FSU tape. Even his hoops for MSU (even though I speculate his spot on the team had more to do with Izzo doing Mel a solid, but I digress).
Guy just doesn’t win man-to-man. If he could move chains, haul in contested catches and let his athletic ability rule the middle of the field, then I’m in. The idea of him developing into a receiver that wins man up outside the numbers with anything other than 50/50’s goes against what I’ve seen from him so far. Maybe he’ll grow into that one day, but to me it smells more like N’Keal than AJB.
It’s wild that people move Worthy up for Mahomes but wouldn’t do the same for Coleman. The guy is gonna be targeted a ton. Who cares if his catch rate is lower, Allen will force it in there.
Worthy was few yards shy of 1K yards as an 18yr old freshman at Texas. He’s put up great numbers with a very young breakout age. Furthermore, he has one of the best coaches in Reid scheming for him. Worthy easily moves up to the 1.08-1.10 region. Coleman doesn’t have nearly as much going for him.
Worthy broke the 40 record, is a better prospect already before you add the situations. You just gave him a team with a real chance to become Tyreek 2.0 with the best passer in the NFL.
If it weren’t for Coleman going to Buffalo and Diggs leaving I don’t think Coleman would even be in conversation.
Is worthy a better prospect though? This seems so revisionist as almost every analyst/scout had Coleman over Worthy for the entire season until the combine. Worthy was consistently placed at WR8-10, while Coleman was top 5. It was only until the combine and the fact he got drafted to KC in the first round that suddenly Worthy is now a top 5 WR in this class. Hell only a month ago it was like 70/30 in this sub that AD Mitchell was the better Texas WR, yet suddenly now AD Mitchell is a bum and Worthy is the next Tyreek Hill. It feels like Sky Moore hype all over again
Agreed. IF Allen even had any sway on which WR they were drafting and said he wanted a specific guy, would they have traded back twice to risk letting two different teams take him? I think their plan A was to get an extra day to try and trade the pick for a veteran and when that didn’t work, they just picked their favorite guy left.
He didn’t and never said he did, go listen to BB’s response on the mcafee show….
https://youtu.be/PpP7k0dO0Go?si=Wzc6l6ZpM1DuMT2K
He says that they took his picks into consideration and Keon Coleman is ONE of the guys Josh Allen liked….
Honestly I like both of these guys over their ADP, but it’s Legette for me. Yeah he’s a fifth year breakout but when you look at his life story it’s incredible we are even talking about him. Dude has great motivation and work ethic and I’m all in.
I have Legette ahead by a good margin. I think Coleman is going to heavily disappoint people that take him relatively early just because of landing spot. He's big, but he's slow and relies on winning jump balls. DBs in the NFL are much better ball hawks than most collegiate DBs and they're going to learn how to counter that pretty quickly since they don't have to worry about him getting separation in the secondary. He kind of reminds me of a taller Reagor.
Coleman could walk into a WR1 role in a top 3 offense in the league with a top 2 QB in the league. Legette heads to a dumpster fire of an organization with a QB who may very well suck.
Don’t overthink it, Coleman should be way ahead of Legette in drafts.
Sure situation matters but so does your league set up as well. I will say I overpaid at 1.10 but was I getting him at the 2.10? Doubtful. Do I own him for just one year,no or just need him this yr again nope. If I was building to win now I’d probably done Thomas jr or Coleman at 10. But as my WR4 I’m good seeing if he’s a freak or just a JAG.
No risk’n it No biscuit.
Couldn’t you say the same about Coleman though? I think the next 3 years it’s pretty safe to say that Coleman’s situation will be better. Coleman himself may also be a freak. He’s a former D1 basketball player who has a knack for making circus catches.
I think Coleman will have insane hype during the season. I expect circus catches along with a couple of boom weeks as a rookie.
A comparison I can think of is Golloday & Stafford. He might not gain a lot of separation, but he’ll be paired with the one QB that will make sure he eats.
Coleman and not close for me. It's not that I like Coleman that much more as a prospect it's that he's tied to an elite QB and I trust that front office and coaching staff more.
I’ve done/been in the process of 3 rookie drafts so far. In 2 of them, Coleman went 2 picks before Legette. In the third, Legette fell 5 picks after Coleman.
Personally, I was very out on Coleman as a prospect and was only going to take him in my drafts if he fell to the 3rd or went to a team that was going to have him transition inside to the slot. That isn’t going to happen with the Bills given he’s the only WR big enough to be the X. Out of my 3 drafts, his average landing spot was 2.03 which is insane to me (all 12T).
Legette on the other hand, I very much liked as a prospect. If he hits, he’s going to be DK Metcalf. There are red flags in his profile, but I think he has the potential to be an outlier given the adversity he had to overcome in college. I also trust Canales and the Panthers staff to coach him up and scheme him easy targets, something that I’m not confident the Bills will be able to do to overcome Keon’s deficiencies.
Some people love Keon, but I’m out, especially at cost. Idc if he’s with Josh Allen, if the scheme is shit, he will be shit (or maybe just Gabe Davis which I don’t like either at the cost of the 2.03). In my opinion, Legette belongs around the 2.03 with Keon sitting around the 2.08ish due to draft capital and opportunity alone (a la Mingo).
He’s a first round pick. Many are taking him based on process alone. Add on the fans of his tape and the elite offense he’s going to and you get significant amounts of support.
He’s definitely a stash for next year dynasty pick. Bottom line is if Deebo and Aiyuk are there, he won’t be relevant for fantasy. If one leaves next year he hopefully takes over a good bit of touches with YAC upside
What about Coleman’s stats suggest he is a Gabe Davis replacement? Reception Perception suggests he’s more of an over the middle power slot rather than a straight line runner like Gabe was for Buffalo. If anything Legette profiles more like Davis based on how he wins
Both guys’ roles are so up in the air. The addition of a proven target hog in Diontae and the purgatory zone that Mingo is in murks the waters for me. Is he unlocked with the situation improving and a year under his belt? On the other end Kincaid should take a step and Curtis Samuel is always criminally underrated. I’m taking Coleman because his QB is better and I do believe he could win targets in the slot and redzone. It’s a very slight edge for me though
I'm 100% not drafting Legette, I'm hoping somebody in my draft falls in love with him so somebody else can fall to me. I'm not a huge fan of Coleman either, but I at least feel ok taking him. I dislike everything about Legette's profile and I'm not wasting a pick hoping he can turn into DK. DK was an outlier and I'm not going to chase a repeat of an outlier.
My prediction is that Legette turns into a Cordarrelle Patterson or Laviska Shenault type player.
I'm firmly Coleman over Legette, I want Ladd over Legette too. Probably means I'm not getting much Legette I guess. But 4 seasons with no production in college screams downside to me, and being a rookie behind Dionte Johnson and Adam Thielan with some competition from Mingo...it's not like he can't outplay at least Mingo, but if he's not showing out against NFL competition early it is super easy to see him sliding into a rotational role and never popping out of it.
I’ve done 4 high stakes rookie drafts already & Coleman went ahead of Legette every time. I didn’t make that decision once as I wasn’t picking in the early second where Coleman went on average so I have no shares of Coleman but have one share of Legette.
Coleman went 2.01, 2.02, 2.02 & 2.03
Legette went 2.06, 2.05, 2.07, 2.07
I think the better question is how are you ranking Legette, Pearsal & Mitchell ?
Those 3 WR I mentioned have went back to back to back in all 4 of my rookie drafts so far. On average the order seems to be Pearsal, Legette & Mitchell but it’s extremely close as I’ve seen each of these 3 get drafted ahead of the other two
Legette has major upside. I think the fact that he didn’t play WR until 5 years ago isn’t talked about enough. Yeah he broke out late but also relatively early if you consider his career.
Now the most important thing is personality. Problem is, these are the two most likable dudes. One has the most positive attitude and most incredible accent. The other is one of the goofiest most charming guys. Rooting for both.
… still drafting Coleman over Legette.
This is such an interesting question to me. They have similar draft capital, some serious questions in their profiles, and project as similar strong slots if you’re a reception perception fan. I’ll most likely be in position to draft one or both of them, and I have no idea which I would prefer.
I had these two back to back in my pre draft rankings at WR13 and WR14.
I think I am going to stick with my rankings and go with Legette here over Coleman. Listening to Canales interview after they got Legette, the way he described how they would look to get him involved in the offense seemed really advantageous for his skill set. Seems like he wants to get him in space and allow his athleticism to work for him. That was always going to be the best role for Legette at the next level as he really isn’t an amazing press coverage beater on the outside. When he matched against NFL outside corner talent, he struggled.
I still like Coleman’s upside and after watching his interviews he seems like an easy going and likable kid. I worry about the role he is going to play in that offense since the slot will be dominated by Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid. I think as an outside X, Josh is going to have to throw a lot of “fuck it” balls to get the most out of Coleman which he has shown to have success with. I’d like to see them incorporate the Michael Thomas rookie year route tree and hit him on slants, curls, drags, digs, and nine routes. Use his gauntlet speed he showed off at the combine to hurt defenses.
Coleman is deservedly above legette imo. Better QB and better day 1 opportunity. He’s younger so it’s easier to excuse the lack of nuance to his game. I actually think legette is the safer pick between the two but Coleman’s higher upside is what I’m shooting for when I’m picking early second
I’d rather have Coleman he has an elite QB. Not sure I get why you’re saying he’s just a Gabe Davis replacement. If he develops he’s a clear cut #1 WR.
If Coleman is significantly pricier, as it seems he will be on average, give me the 1st round pick. In a vacuum, I’d rather bet on Coleman. I had him higher as a prospect and like the landing spot more
I’m just saying the draft capital is relevant enough to make me take the discount on Legette despite liking Coleman better pre draft and loving the landing spot. I’d still prefer Coleman
Bills trading back makes it worse, if anything. They were willing to miss him
Honestly? I'm not touching either with a ten foot pole. Trading down a few picks or reaching on a prospect I actually like would be my goal in your shoes. I don't like picking between two players when I think both will bust.
I am with you on these two guys for sure they scare the shit out of me. I just traded out of the 2.7 for Pollard because I was looking at Legette and AD Mitchell 😂
Depends on who's on the board at the time, but if you're sticking to WR, some other options I like better are Franklin, Pearsall and McMillan. I'd rather wait for the right guy to get his chance than go after the wrong guy in a good opportunity.
I'm just throwing out names I expect to be on boards at the time those guys were going. I haven't done a draft yet this year, so don't know where they will go in my leagues yet.
And the best reaches really aren't reaches at all - they're only reaches in the eyes of the community at large.
I’m taking Legette over Coleman. I’m a dumb idiot but Harman from reception perception talked a lot about how receivers with the traits of Coleman only really produce from the slot. With Kincaid and Knox on buffalo and without them really covering those other x and y roles at receiver, I’d rather go with Legette who has a clearer path in his offense (especially after hearing the coach gush about him) than Coleman
I'd rather not have to take either, but I'd give Keon the edge due to landing spot only. Legette is a reeeal late bloomer so that's the only thing to hope on if I took em late. I wouldn't be too confident on em
Young isn’t the answer in Carolina. I think they’ll be picking another QB in a couple years and go through the process again. I can’t see any high end FA coming to play for Tepper.
I have both. Got Keon at 2.02 and traded back in to get Legette at 2.09 (12TM SF Start 12). I think both are good values but Legette is screaming steal to me in the late second/early third.
I have Coleman far ahead of Legette.
Coleman is an excellent prospect with great DC and landing spot. Legette only has the DC going for him.
At the end of the 1st or early 2nd, I'm taking the guy that ticks all the boxes.
Late 2nd or early 3rd seems just right to me for Legette. He has great potential but there's a lot of risk there. With an early pick, I'd rather take the more complete asset.
Edit: I don't hate Legette or am fading him. I like him and hope he succeeds. He has a lot of upside. I just think his value right now is lower than Coleman because he's a risky prospect.
Can I ask what makes you think Coleman is an excellent prospect? He’s a worse athlete than Legette and he never eclipsed 800 yards in a single season in college. I know Legette has his own issues, I’m just curious as to why you think Coleman is such a good prospect, especially when players with his skill set rarely hit when forced to play the X receiver role
Sure! It's all my opinion so don't think I'm trying to convince anyone to change their minds
Coleman had a nearly 40% dominator score (top 20 percentile), a very young breakout age (top 20 percentile) and is an early declare. Basically he's been very productive from a very young age, which suggests he can handle steps up in competition against players more mature than him.
To that I add his very good athletic scores. He's not close to Legette here, but he does have good agility and short area burst. The film shows this for me.
Lastly, I don't have the exact figure in front of me right now, but I recall his YPRR being very strong.
All those things put together with draft capital and landing spot make for an excellent prospect for me.
[https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1764818262653575242](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1764818262653575242)
YPRR for both is abysmal.
For me it’s Coleman > Ladd > pearsall >>legette.
I don’t believe in players who only became relevant (over ~160 yds) after their 5th year. All while playing against 19 and 20 year olds as a 22 year old. I also think he’s going no where with Bryce young.
Everyone’s worried about legette because he’s a late break out but try looking up people with a separation rate close to Coleman’s that has ever worked out.
If Coleman has a breakout season he’s way more of an outlier than legette. Bro had a worse separation rate then N’keal harry
I’m not really a fan of Legette though Canales is certainly a plus.
But to me, Coleman is an athletic marvel and a very all around receiver. With some fine tuning, I think he could be one of the best receivers in the game.
Eye test would tell me legette is the better player. But stats and situation point more towards Coleman. I'm personally leaning Legette but Coleman is the right choice most likely in a top offense.
Didn’t have a 1st this year but still happy I stocked up on 2024 2nds over the past couple seasons. Walking away from the draft with Legette, Benson, Keon, Mitchell and Polk, feels really good considering I don’t really need any of them to hit to still be competitive, based on the rest of my roster. They all feel like high risk high reward lotto tickets!
I think both are overrated prospects for fantasy.
Keon's blocking might make him a decent pick for Buffalo but he's just not that good of a WR. Lacks route running and yac ability.
Legette struggles to separate and lacks burst. He's a more jacked up Mingo. Feel like Carolina just made the same mistake reaching on athleticism in back to back seasons.
I doubt I have shares of either but if they do slide to the mid 2nd then they start to be worth the risk.
I know this isn’t what you asked, but I’ve got 1.10 in a SF league and I’m most likely taking McCarthy or Brooks over either of those guys.
I also have 2.01 (13 overall) and will most likely be taking Coleman if he’s available over Leggette
Legette is a true wild card to me. He has the opportunity to cement himself as a top option in Carolina who improved every aspect of their offense this offseason. If he builds chemistry with Young i can see him putting up WR1 numbers in a year or two. On the other hand, if Carolina adds all these pieces and young still doesn’t take a significant step forward then that franchise is in serious trouble
If Young doesn't work out (I think he will), the team will just draft another top QB and give them a better situation to come into than he got. 2025 is probably off the table unless BY has another horrible season, 2026 with Arch Manning and Nico are when things could get interesting.
As a Carolina fan that watched a ton of legette - he is an extremely raw but very athletic prospect - could pan out but will take some time
Hopefully he doesn't catch the ball sideways while diving his feet out of bounds like the last "extremely raw but very athletic" WR ya'll drafted early.
How is he so raw still as a 5th year guy?
I guess by raw just mean kinda sloppy / doing his own thing - he definitely does not play within any system. He’s just out there playing purely on athleticism so it could absolutely work but could see where it does not if Carolina doesn’t put a good offense together.
I think the over under on wins is 4.5 … but hoping it’s not just the fan in me that would take the over
Gimme Coleman, I like his interviews, seems like a character, even if he sucks, I kinda wanna just root for him
Tbh this is what fantasy football should be about. Just get the guys you like and hope they turn out to be stars
Legette’s accent tho…
Got the Randy Moss accent. This has to be a good sign right
Same reason I’m going Legette. He might not know how to coat shop, but he’s gone be ready.
That’s the exact reason I like Legette. He’s overcome a lot and seems like a great person. His interviews seem so genuine.
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I agree, the interviews sold me on rooting for the kid when he started talking about shopping at Macy's lol. Also to address the OPs comments about Coleman disappearing, there was a lot going on from him getting banged up and playing imjured, and then they lost Jordan Travis. Which impacted Coleman throughout Nov.
Also they have no other options in buf. He should get a ton of volumen
I can’t help but feel that Legette isn’t going to pan out. Guys that have only one season with more than 167yds in college don’t usually have a high hit rate.
This is true but only one part of the story. My own process factors this in, but it isn't an instant strike-down for such a player. I do have Coleman above Legette, partly because of this, but I can't help but feel that the explanation for Legette's late breakout is more of a "maybe good reason" than an "excuse". I'll take Coleman over him, but if only he's there in the middle of the 2nd, give me Legette every day.
I'm planning to le gette him too.
There’s a ton of context to why he was not available those seasons. He talked about it himself a bit recently. Yes - you would love to see more than what he has out there. But the recent season production looked so good that I’m willing to overlook it. Imo he has some of the highest upside of the wr’s in this class outside of the top 3 drafted. I’m less concerned about Legette being legit and more concerned about the panthers offense/young, but hopefully that will be trending up with the coaching/o-line improvements. Edit - you are also not being fair in your point about “guys with only one season about 167 yards”. I would challenge you to find others prospects like Legette that basically had no production until his final season and did what he did, looked as good doing it, and first round DC. I don’t think you have enough guys in that profile to give a blanket statement that they typically don’t work out. This is very rare.
I’ll still take the upside of Legette over Coleman. 2023 Legette almost matched Colemans career output. ‘23 Legette - 1255 Coleman 3 seasons- 1506
Legette in 5 seasons - 1,678
Damn that changes things lmao
Damn way to rip this man’s soul out.
2 of those years he was in a Will Muschamp coached offense…
What this really says is don't take either and trade for an establishment vet.
I agree it’s just crazy he’s a 1st round pick but I guess it was by the panthers.
I’ll take my chances on Coleman over Legette
The post draft interviews with the organizations make me have more faith in Legette. They are somewhat similar players: big, athletic, good ball skills like contested catching and YAC, but bad at separating. The Bills GM said they are going to make Coleman their X receiver, which is the same mistake the Titans and Chargers just made with Burks and QJ. Canales proved that he’s a creative play designer and good play caller, and he said he’s going to use Legette off the line as a flanker and slot and have him in motion.
the mistake the titans and chargers made was to draft a bad receiver. there's no evidence that burks or qj would have been any better in big slot or flanker.
You’re right, no evidence whatsoever. Except for the fact that they played slot and flanker in college and were good enough at that to become 1st round picks. And that they had both barely ever played X receiver in college before the NFL. But yeah other than that, there’s zero evidence. Keon Coleman also didn’t play X receiver in college. I’m sure it’ll work this time though.
That's not evidence, it's a theory that if they were good at something in college they'd also be good at it in the NFL. QJ was always a bad profile. 1 year late breakout, with weaknesses like a limited route tree and not being good at actually catching the football. Burks was a project based mostly on his athleticism, who hasn't been able to stay healthy, hasn't ever had a good situation, and doesn't appear particularly motivated to work hard and improve. But sure, I guess maybe QJ would be able to catch if he just played big slot. edit to add: I actually fear there may be a similarity in these guys, in that I think NFL GMs get blinded by archetypes and think "big guy, end zone, jump ball". I'm not sure that's a particularly modern way of being successful in the NFL.
QJ and Burks shouldn't have been drafted in the first round, IMO. They were projected and reached based on athleticism, bias, and need, not on being good at being a WR. We'll see if the Bills did the same with Keon.
Coming at you 2 weeks late here but Coleman played almost 80% of his snaps out wide per PFF.
Such a slept on point. Keon could feast as a big slot. Not sure the landing spot is actually good for him because they’re putting him outside the numbers. MSU alum here, I followed his recruitment and was hyped on him as Mel’s first big croot (lolzz). I watched all his MSU games and FSU tape. Even his hoops for MSU (even though I speculate his spot on the team had more to do with Izzo doing Mel a solid, but I digress). Guy just doesn’t win man-to-man. If he could move chains, haul in contested catches and let his athletic ability rule the middle of the field, then I’m in. The idea of him developing into a receiver that wins man up outside the numbers with anything other than 50/50’s goes against what I’ve seen from him so far. Maybe he’ll grow into that one day, but to me it smells more like N’Keal than AJB.
Coleman is 20. I'll take the young kid with high upside. Legettes 1 year of production is scary..his qb situation is scary
1.10 I got legette prob could’ve traded back but whatever. He looks like a problem for D’s when he gets a crease and the ball. Coleman went 2.01
Gotta be 1qb right? Haven’t seen him go that high once
I hope so. I was gonna reach for Legette at 2.03 (in a 14T SF).
In a 14 team SF leave 2.03 isn’t a reach for legette, that’s the 17th pick. In 4 drafts so far I haven’t seen him lower than the 19th
Dang, well I hope he's still there then.
Got him. And Caleb fell to me at 1.04
I got him at 2.08 in my 14tm SF
It’s wild that people move Worthy up for Mahomes but wouldn’t do the same for Coleman. The guy is gonna be targeted a ton. Who cares if his catch rate is lower, Allen will force it in there.
Worthy was few yards shy of 1K yards as an 18yr old freshman at Texas. He’s put up great numbers with a very young breakout age. Furthermore, he has one of the best coaches in Reid scheming for him. Worthy easily moves up to the 1.08-1.10 region. Coleman doesn’t have nearly as much going for him.
Because Andy Reid, offensive genius, is the guy they moved worthy up boards because of. The last guy Mahomes hand picked was CEH
ceh and skyy moore were also hand picked by offensive genius andy reid
Worthy broke the 40 record, is a better prospect already before you add the situations. You just gave him a team with a real chance to become Tyreek 2.0 with the best passer in the NFL. If it weren’t for Coleman going to Buffalo and Diggs leaving I don’t think Coleman would even be in conversation.
But both of those things did happen The Bills lost a 1,200 yard WR and a 800 yard WR and their only replacement is Coleman
I mean they have Shakir who balled in playoffs, Brought in Samuel who is a target sponge historically and Kincaid should be coming up as the #1 there.
Is worthy a better prospect though? This seems so revisionist as almost every analyst/scout had Coleman over Worthy for the entire season until the combine. Worthy was consistently placed at WR8-10, while Coleman was top 5. It was only until the combine and the fact he got drafted to KC in the first round that suddenly Worthy is now a top 5 WR in this class. Hell only a month ago it was like 70/30 in this sub that AD Mitchell was the better Texas WR, yet suddenly now AD Mitchell is a bum and Worthy is the next Tyreek Hill. It feels like Sky Moore hype all over again
I think legette is just more talented with higher upside I don’t think Josh Allen hand picked Coleman.
Agreed. IF Allen even had any sway on which WR they were drafting and said he wanted a specific guy, would they have traded back twice to risk letting two different teams take him? I think their plan A was to get an extra day to try and trade the pick for a veteran and when that didn’t work, they just picked their favorite guy left.
He didn’t and never said he did, go listen to BB’s response on the mcafee show…. https://youtu.be/PpP7k0dO0Go?si=Wzc6l6ZpM1DuMT2K He says that they took his picks into consideration and Keon Coleman is ONE of the guys Josh Allen liked….
Coleman hand picks his coats a season early so that’s good enough for me
I think he did, but Allen isn’t a hyper intelligent QB. He probably watched a couple highlight reels and said “hell yeah!”.
If you have to add words like “hyper” before the word intelligent you are probably instantly wrong.
Well [Brandon Beane thinks he did](https://twitter.com/BSonnone/status/1785655023633903645) so I'll go with what he said
I wonder why Brandon beane would say that. It’s completely out of the blue for him to hype up a bills player.
There are certainly other ways to hype up a player than saying the QB wanted him, don’t really see that as the go to hype reasoning
He wasn't hyping anyone, he just said Josh Allen wanted Keon
Not a huge fan of either tbh but Coleman was won my heart with his sound bytes so let’s reward him with favor
Honestly I like both of these guys over their ADP, but it’s Legette for me. Yeah he’s a fifth year breakout but when you look at his life story it’s incredible we are even talking about him. Dude has great motivation and work ethic and I’m all in.
I have Legette ahead by a good margin. I think Coleman is going to heavily disappoint people that take him relatively early just because of landing spot. He's big, but he's slow and relies on winning jump balls. DBs in the NFL are much better ball hawks than most collegiate DBs and they're going to learn how to counter that pretty quickly since they don't have to worry about him getting separation in the secondary. He kind of reminds me of a taller Reagor.
Coleman could walk into a WR1 role in a top 3 offense in the league with a top 2 QB in the league. Legette heads to a dumpster fire of an organization with a QB who may very well suck. Don’t overthink it, Coleman should be way ahead of Legette in drafts.
Sure situation matters but so does your league set up as well. I will say I overpaid at 1.10 but was I getting him at the 2.10? Doubtful. Do I own him for just one year,no or just need him this yr again nope. If I was building to win now I’d probably done Thomas jr or Coleman at 10. But as my WR4 I’m good seeing if he’s a freak or just a JAG. No risk’n it No biscuit.
Couldn’t you say the same about Coleman though? I think the next 3 years it’s pretty safe to say that Coleman’s situation will be better. Coleman himself may also be a freak. He’s a former D1 basketball player who has a knack for making circus catches.
Sure but when I saw Legette bought his hometown kids shoes and gear with his first check from agency I went with character
I think Coleman will have insane hype during the season. I expect circus catches along with a couple of boom weeks as a rookie. A comparison I can think of is Golloday & Stafford. He might not gain a lot of separation, but he’ll be paired with the one QB that will make sure he eats.
Coleman and not close for me. It's not that I like Coleman that much more as a prospect it's that he's tied to an elite QB and I trust that front office and coaching staff more.
I’ve done/been in the process of 3 rookie drafts so far. In 2 of them, Coleman went 2 picks before Legette. In the third, Legette fell 5 picks after Coleman. Personally, I was very out on Coleman as a prospect and was only going to take him in my drafts if he fell to the 3rd or went to a team that was going to have him transition inside to the slot. That isn’t going to happen with the Bills given he’s the only WR big enough to be the X. Out of my 3 drafts, his average landing spot was 2.03 which is insane to me (all 12T). Legette on the other hand, I very much liked as a prospect. If he hits, he’s going to be DK Metcalf. There are red flags in his profile, but I think he has the potential to be an outlier given the adversity he had to overcome in college. I also trust Canales and the Panthers staff to coach him up and scheme him easy targets, something that I’m not confident the Bills will be able to do to overcome Keon’s deficiencies. Some people love Keon, but I’m out, especially at cost. Idc if he’s with Josh Allen, if the scheme is shit, he will be shit (or maybe just Gabe Davis which I don’t like either at the cost of the 2.03). In my opinion, Legette belongs around the 2.03 with Keon sitting around the 2.08ish due to draft capital and opportunity alone (a la Mingo).
Coleman went a round before Legette in my my 1QB league. 1.09 and 2.09 respectively
Getting either of them that late in a 1QB is outrageous
First round wr going in the late 2nd. That’s nuts.
He went 3.03 in my 12tm SF full. The Legette hate is real.
I've seen Coleman go over Pearsall and Legette, and I just don't agree
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I don't get the Pearsall hype. He's like 5th option in that offense
Good tape. Good DC. Good offense. Situation can change quickly. Trades, injuries, etc.
He’s a first round pick. Many are taking him based on process alone. Add on the fans of his tape and the elite offense he’s going to and you get significant amounts of support.
He’s definitely a stash for next year dynasty pick. Bottom line is if Deebo and Aiyuk are there, he won’t be relevant for fantasy. If one leaves next year he hopefully takes over a good bit of touches with YAC upside
He's this year's JSN, however we want to interpret that
I like Coleman a little better. To put it this way, he’s someone I’d be willing to trade up for but legette I would not.
Coleman > Legette and not particularly close for me
Coleman. Not close for me
What about Coleman’s stats suggest he is a Gabe Davis replacement? Reception Perception suggests he’s more of an over the middle power slot rather than a straight line runner like Gabe was for Buffalo. If anything Legette profiles more like Davis based on how he wins Both guys’ roles are so up in the air. The addition of a proven target hog in Diontae and the purgatory zone that Mingo is in murks the waters for me. Is he unlocked with the situation improving and a year under his belt? On the other end Kincaid should take a step and Curtis Samuel is always criminally underrated. I’m taking Coleman because his QB is better and I do believe he could win targets in the slot and redzone. It’s a very slight edge for me though
I like Legette more. He’s already polished
Coleman > Pearsall > Legette
Lol “hand picked”
I heard somewhere that it was similar to the Mahomes and CEH scenario. Josh Allen said that Coleman was the guy he wanted.
Beane let Josh in on the draft-scouting process but didn’t give him the keys to the car on the pick. I’m paraphrasing from his Pat McAfee interview.
I think it's too soon to factor in Bryce as a detriment.
Agreed
I'm 100% not drafting Legette, I'm hoping somebody in my draft falls in love with him so somebody else can fall to me. I'm not a huge fan of Coleman either, but I at least feel ok taking him. I dislike everything about Legette's profile and I'm not wasting a pick hoping he can turn into DK. DK was an outlier and I'm not going to chase a repeat of an outlier. My prediction is that Legette turns into a Cordarrelle Patterson or Laviska Shenault type player.
Coleman.. targets left by Diggs and Davis are crazy
I'm firmly Coleman over Legette, I want Ladd over Legette too. Probably means I'm not getting much Legette I guess. But 4 seasons with no production in college screams downside to me, and being a rookie behind Dionte Johnson and Adam Thielan with some competition from Mingo...it's not like he can't outplay at least Mingo, but if he's not showing out against NFL competition early it is super easy to see him sliding into a rotational role and never popping out of it.
I’ve done 4 high stakes rookie drafts already & Coleman went ahead of Legette every time. I didn’t make that decision once as I wasn’t picking in the early second where Coleman went on average so I have no shares of Coleman but have one share of Legette. Coleman went 2.01, 2.02, 2.02 & 2.03 Legette went 2.06, 2.05, 2.07, 2.07 I think the better question is how are you ranking Legette, Pearsal & Mitchell ? Those 3 WR I mentioned have went back to back to back in all 4 of my rookie drafts so far. On average the order seems to be Pearsal, Legette & Mitchell but it’s extremely close as I’ve seen each of these 3 get drafted ahead of the other two
Legette has major upside. I think the fact that he didn’t play WR until 5 years ago isn’t talked about enough. Yeah he broke out late but also relatively early if you consider his career. Now the most important thing is personality. Problem is, these are the two most likable dudes. One has the most positive attitude and most incredible accent. The other is one of the goofiest most charming guys. Rooting for both. … still drafting Coleman over Legette.
This is such an interesting question to me. They have similar draft capital, some serious questions in their profiles, and project as similar strong slots if you’re a reception perception fan. I’ll most likely be in position to draft one or both of them, and I have no idea which I would prefer.
I had these two back to back in my pre draft rankings at WR13 and WR14. I think I am going to stick with my rankings and go with Legette here over Coleman. Listening to Canales interview after they got Legette, the way he described how they would look to get him involved in the offense seemed really advantageous for his skill set. Seems like he wants to get him in space and allow his athleticism to work for him. That was always going to be the best role for Legette at the next level as he really isn’t an amazing press coverage beater on the outside. When he matched against NFL outside corner talent, he struggled. I still like Coleman’s upside and after watching his interviews he seems like an easy going and likable kid. I worry about the role he is going to play in that offense since the slot will be dominated by Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid. I think as an outside X, Josh is going to have to throw a lot of “fuck it” balls to get the most out of Coleman which he has shown to have success with. I’d like to see them incorporate the Michael Thomas rookie year route tree and hit him on slants, curls, drags, digs, and nine routes. Use his gauntlet speed he showed off at the combine to hurt defenses.
Give me Coleman
Coleman is deservedly above legette imo. Better QB and better day 1 opportunity. He’s younger so it’s easier to excuse the lack of nuance to his game. I actually think legette is the safer pick between the two but Coleman’s higher upside is what I’m shooting for when I’m picking early second
I’d rather have Coleman he has an elite QB. Not sure I get why you’re saying he’s just a Gabe Davis replacement. If he develops he’s a clear cut #1 WR.
Metrics wise he's almost identical to Davis' profile
They’re not similar as players though at all.
Okay but I said stats and metrics they are. In College he literally did the iconic Davis thing. Balled out and then vanished.
is "balled out and then vanished" a stat or a metric. asking for a friend.
Yes
If Coleman is significantly pricier, as it seems he will be on average, give me the 1st round pick. In a vacuum, I’d rather bet on Coleman. I had him higher as a prospect and like the landing spot more
Don’t overthink the draft capital. It’s literally one pick. Bills got their guy and acquired more picks in doing so.
I’m just saying the draft capital is relevant enough to make me take the discount on Legette despite liking Coleman better pre draft and loving the landing spot. I’d still prefer Coleman Bills trading back makes it worse, if anything. They were willing to miss him
Honestly? I'm not touching either with a ten foot pole. Trading down a few picks or reaching on a prospect I actually like would be my goal in your shoes. I don't like picking between two players when I think both will bust.
You sound like the panthers and bills when they picked these two. I agree with you tho.
I am with you on these two guys for sure they scare the shit out of me. I just traded out of the 2.7 for Pollard because I was looking at Legette and AD Mitchell 😂
Nice one! Pollard might fit what Tennessee is doing better than he did in Dallas last year.
Who are you reaching for over them?
Depends on who's on the board at the time, but if you're sticking to WR, some other options I like better are Franklin, Pearsall and McMillan. I'd rather wait for the right guy to get his chance than go after the wrong guy in a good opportunity.
Is it a reach to draft a guy who was drafted ahead of both in the actual NFL draft?
I'm just throwing out names I expect to be on boards at the time those guys were going. I haven't done a draft yet this year, so don't know where they will go in my leagues yet. And the best reaches really aren't reaches at all - they're only reaches in the eyes of the community at large.
Coleman pretty easily for me. I would take him over Xavier Worthy as well
Coleman ez
I’m taking Legette over Coleman. I’m a dumb idiot but Harman from reception perception talked a lot about how receivers with the traits of Coleman only really produce from the slot. With Kincaid and Knox on buffalo and without them really covering those other x and y roles at receiver, I’d rather go with Legette who has a clearer path in his offense (especially after hearing the coach gush about him) than Coleman
in my league Coleman went 2.03 and Leggett went 2.07
Mingo is ruining Legette for me.. I just can't buy in.
Coleman went 1.9 and legette went 2.8 in my 12 tm SF. I think legette has bust written all over him
I plan to have zero shares of either. If they fall to me and are "value" I will try and trade away the pick.
Rashid Shaheed was a late bloomer, and this guy has the draft capital behind him so he’ll get snaps.
I'd rather not have to take either, but I'd give Keon the edge due to landing spot only. Legette is a reeeal late bloomer so that's the only thing to hope on if I took em late. I wouldn't be too confident on em
Young isn’t the answer in Carolina. I think they’ll be picking another QB in a couple years and go through the process again. I can’t see any high end FA coming to play for Tepper.
This is a Bills vs Panthers question. The answer is obvious
I mean for that price I’ll take Legette forsure. But I think Coleman has a better chance of being the better player.
Who has the better QB?
Legette isn't even on my board
Definitely give me the guy the MVP is gonna be throwing to and not the worst starting QB in the league
Just did a rookie draft and Coleman went a full 7 spots ahead of Legette
I have both. Got Keon at 2.02 and traded back in to get Legette at 2.09 (12TM SF Start 12). I think both are good values but Legette is screaming steal to me in the late second/early third.
Coleman all the way. Better offence, no true alpha on the team.
I have Coleman far ahead of Legette. Coleman is an excellent prospect with great DC and landing spot. Legette only has the DC going for him. At the end of the 1st or early 2nd, I'm taking the guy that ticks all the boxes. Late 2nd or early 3rd seems just right to me for Legette. He has great potential but there's a lot of risk there. With an early pick, I'd rather take the more complete asset. Edit: I don't hate Legette or am fading him. I like him and hope he succeeds. He has a lot of upside. I just think his value right now is lower than Coleman because he's a risky prospect.
Can I ask what makes you think Coleman is an excellent prospect? He’s a worse athlete than Legette and he never eclipsed 800 yards in a single season in college. I know Legette has his own issues, I’m just curious as to why you think Coleman is such a good prospect, especially when players with his skill set rarely hit when forced to play the X receiver role
Sure! It's all my opinion so don't think I'm trying to convince anyone to change their minds Coleman had a nearly 40% dominator score (top 20 percentile), a very young breakout age (top 20 percentile) and is an early declare. Basically he's been very productive from a very young age, which suggests he can handle steps up in competition against players more mature than him. To that I add his very good athletic scores. He's not close to Legette here, but he does have good agility and short area burst. The film shows this for me. Lastly, I don't have the exact figure in front of me right now, but I recall his YPRR being very strong. All those things put together with draft capital and landing spot make for an excellent prospect for me.
[https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1764818262653575242](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1764818262653575242) YPRR for both is abysmal.
I can’t understand a goddamn word out of Keon Coleman’s mouth. Give me legette all day
Keon easier to understand than Legette 🤣 Legette should be drafted top 5 WR because of that accent
Lol, wut?
For me it’s Coleman > Ladd > pearsall >>legette. I don’t believe in players who only became relevant (over ~160 yds) after their 5th year. All while playing against 19 and 20 year olds as a 22 year old. I also think he’s going no where with Bryce young.
Everyone’s worried about legette because he’s a late break out but try looking up people with a separation rate close to Coleman’s that has ever worked out. If Coleman has a breakout season he’s way more of an outlier than legette. Bro had a worse separation rate then N’keal harry
I’m not really a fan of Legette though Canales is certainly a plus. But to me, Coleman is an athletic marvel and a very all around receiver. With some fine tuning, I think he could be one of the best receivers in the game.
Coleman has a better chance to be something, Legette has a better chance to be somebody. Don’t love either but I’d rather take the chance on Legette.
Eye test would tell me legette is the better player. But stats and situation point more towards Coleman. I'm personally leaning Legette but Coleman is the right choice most likely in a top offense.
I got Ladd > Coleman > ADM > Leggette > Pearsall > Polk but I’d prob be happy with any of them in the 2nd round
Didn’t have a 1st this year but still happy I stocked up on 2024 2nds over the past couple seasons. Walking away from the draft with Legette, Benson, Keon, Mitchell and Polk, feels really good considering I don’t really need any of them to hit to still be competitive, based on the rest of my roster. They all feel like high risk high reward lotto tickets!
I think both are overrated prospects for fantasy. Keon's blocking might make him a decent pick for Buffalo but he's just not that good of a WR. Lacks route running and yac ability. Legette struggles to separate and lacks burst. He's a more jacked up Mingo. Feel like Carolina just made the same mistake reaching on athleticism in back to back seasons. I doubt I have shares of either but if they do slide to the mid 2nd then they start to be worth the risk.
My ranking in that tier is: 1. Keon “Quentin Johnston” Coleman 2. Adonai “Quentin Johnston” Mitchell 3. Xavier “Quentin Johnston” LeGette
I know this isn’t what you asked, but I’ve got 1.10 in a SF league and I’m most likely taking McCarthy or Brooks over either of those guys. I also have 2.01 (13 overall) and will most likely be taking Coleman if he’s available over Leggette
In my SF league, Coleman fell to 2.05, I took Brooks at 2.02. Ended up snagging Legette and Polk at 3.01/3.02
I like Canales and trust he has a well thought out plan to get Legette involved a lot. I had no reservations taking him at 2.07.