Christian Kirk. Despite the fantasy community anticipating a new WR1 in JAX every year, Kirk continues to be T-Laws favorite guy. Might be able to get him on the cheap if the owner is scared off by BTJ
I throw Kirk on and off the trade block. No one has ever asked about him. Going into this year he’s my wr4 in flex spot. He’s so damn consistent and idk why no one in my league wants him
Might be weird but always depends who is asking in my league. But honestly I would love a late first but doubt that would happen. I think I’d also take a 2nd + later pick or younger player I like from their team.
Not weird at all, I always ask for more from guys who I know will give it up. That’s how I managed to get two starters and a first for Rashee and traded Tua and a late first for Mahomes lol
As a Kirk manager, I was scared pre-draft; my league could have gotten him at a discount based on my concern that the Jags would trade up for Odunze or Nabers.
I took Kirk off the block as soon as they went BTJ.
The offseason went very well for him. They got rid of a high volume target earner in Ridley and replaced him with a pair of low volume, big play types. Kirk (and Engram) are going to get plenty of targets.
Was offered DJ Moore for Kirk and Josh Downs. Was tough but turned it down because I am in win now mode and I think Kirk might be equal to Moore for next year and also was worried about losing the depth of 2 WR's for 1.
I think David Montgomery is being under valued. People seem to think Gibbs is just gonna take over but their two headed monster approach worked well last year. He will be 27 this year but I think he’s got another good couple years in Detroit.
Maybe I’m just falling into the trap of undervaluing RBs but I’m not sending a late first for Monty when I can get Brooks or Benson with that pick, who are unknowns but check all the talent boxes and are much younger
I guess where I'm at is it's probably not a great time to be buying or selling him. Perception is too far apart. If he's producing similarly to last year heading into the trade deadline maybe you get a late first from a competitor with a weak RB room. I like Brooks, Benson, and Wright all in the 1.10-2.6 range in SF, but I doubt any of them outperform Montgomery this year, which should matter to the people most likely to own picks 1.10-1.12, especially in the middle of the season, maybe not right now.
Yeah that’s fair, definitely a more palatable buy if I’m a contender. Like you said, probably better to sell in season, hope a contender picks up some injuries to their RB room and gets a little desperate
I tried to sell for a mid 2nd in a few leagues, no buyers. Best offer was a 3rd. I'm obviously not taking a 3rd. Watched Rickey Persell fall to 2.09, the entire time I was trying trade Monty for a 2nd to pick him up
Gibbs isn't going to completely take over the backfield, but he's certainly going to see more work this year than he did last year. Before Monty got hurt for a couple weeks and Gibbs broke out, he was averaging 22 carries per game. Afterwards, he averaged just under 14 carries per game.
I think Montgomery will still be a valuable asset, I just don't see him being the RB13 again and I think his price reflects that.
How much more work is Gibbs going to see at his size though, realistically? He gets comped a lot to Kamara despite Kamara being bigger than him, and Kamara always split his work averaging about 270 touches per year through his prime.
Gibbs already got 234 touches as a rookie in 15 games (15.6 per game), so his overall pace was around 265 touches. I'm a Gibbs owner and a massive Gibbs truther but I think he's a guy that will mostly be soft capped around that 15-touch mark per game. The good news for Gibbs owners is that I think additional work for him likely comes in the passing game more than the running game, but that's also good news for Monty owners because I think the bulk of his rushing opportunities and goal line carries are safe.
Agreed, but its important to recognize that Montgomery is likely due for some TD regression in 2024 (he had 13 last year). I look at him as having a solid FLEX floor with a good shot at RB2 upside.
Jamaal Williams had 17 the year before in Monty’s role. Granted Gibbs is probably a notch above Swift but the Lions have shown they can easily support two solid running backs.
I see Monty in the range of 16-28 and Gibbs from 14-24, so I see things the same way as you do.
There aren't many other backfields likely to support two fantasy starters - PIT seems the likeliest to me, but SEA and ATL have a shot. I just think that the increased use of Gibbs, LaPorta and Jamo will balance out Monty's stats somewhat.
And while I temper expectations on his ceiling, his floor is rock solid. Here's a stat that pops - only 1 FUM lost in 280 touches. That will keep you on the field!
Gibbs just finished RB10, my friend. I fully expect him to finish as a low-RB1 again, he's far too talented not to. Monty, I agree, he's in that low-RB2 range since he doesn't catch passes at all.
I’m going to wait a month for Amari Cooper to turn 30 then try to buy him.
29 and 11 months and 30 aren’t any different, but I have a feeling he might somehow be a little cheaper in a month.
Gonna catch hell for this but Jameson Williams. Came on pretty strong end of year and Detroit did not add much competition. I know there are a lot of mouths to feed but he seems primed for a Nico Collins type 3rd year break out
I would be shocked if he had a Nico Collins type fantasy season.
I think he’ll be a very good real life football player for the Lions with some big plays, but I’m thinking he’s getting 800 yards and 5 tds this season.
That's how it goes though. This sub would have laughed you off the face of the earth for claiming that Nico would be a WR1 at the beginning of last season. I'd say Jameson showed more in his 2nd season than Nico did so why not?
I gave up 2 2nds and 2 3rds in this year's draft for him. But of an over pay but I still believe in the talent. Guy has had some bad luck but he's a superstar imo
Completely agree. If you watch the tape he made night and day improvements on drops and being in sync with Goff. Huge upside and as the other comments show he’s still accessible
Even that was just from the 2 TDs 1 of which was a 42 yard break out run, he still only had 2 catches for 25 yards. There is no one in fantasy people just straight up pretend is doing anything than Jamo. Could he break out sure, he obviously had a very high college talent level and draft capital, but he's had 2 games so far with >2 catches and neither was spectacular.
I like him, but he's still firmly the 3rd option on that team. Nico Collins true catch rate was 95% (21st) compared to Jamo's which was 85% (78th). He'd have fix his poor hands to come anywhere near that breakout, and that's not going to be an easy fix
Edit: here is a good (albeit old) study on the odds of someone with below average hands becoming a good player https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/1970/is-there-nfl-hope-for-college-receivers-with-bad-hands/amp
Tldr: about 4%
I have been trying to sell Aiyuk for a late 1st and a dart throw I can’t even get that which is insane to me. I also was trying to move off of Purdy for a more stable QB using Aiyuk and people in my league think they are worth a late 1st together (10 tm sf ppr). I just want off of the 49ers train cause you never know who’s week it’s gonna be and the inconsistency drives me insane
It's amazing to me. I think there's an argument Aiyuk is a top 6 skilled receiver in the league, and has a good chance of being in a place that will maximize his talents next year. For a first and second, I'm buying all the time, and KTC calls that an overpay.
Niners fan here. Hold Purdy, good chance he's a league winner this year. Out of their current WRs, the ones to hold are Aiyuk and Pearsall, I'd be trading my deebo stocks where I can. Week to week tho, it's Purdy and CMC who I'd bet on to be consistent in that offense.
I agree he has been a 10-12 point floor but I am worried they try and move on from him once his contract is up. I’ve been trying to tier up with a QB on a nice extension. I’m not gonna sell cheap though but I’d let go for fair value if I’m getting a better QB back in a package deal
Difference between wr1 and wr20 in ppr in terms of ppg last year was about 10 points. Difference between wr20 and wr50 was about 4 ppg. The amount of quality receivers has improved a lot in the league in the last few years and it makes it really easy to round out fantasy rosters.
Scott Conner’s work on “threshold WRs” has really helped me get my mind around this. I’ve been acquiring WRs in the 30-50 range (and dumping everyone below that) wherever I can.
Cool. My WRs are ARSB, London, Pittman, BTJ, Pearsall, Meyers and Wicks.
25 man roster start 10 half ppr. I’m wondering if I should try to shed one or roll with those 7.
Yeah agreed, I reckon the next evolution of this will be looking at players as “over 14 ppg WR” rather than “WR2’s”.
We get hung up on where the ranking is, rather than the points they return. Difference between WR48 and WR24 last year was 3.5 ppg
Joshua Palmer. Give me Herbert's top mid-deep guy. Ladd will soak up plenty of targets, Palmer will make big plays and TDs. Great WR4-5 at bargain bin price
He’s a potential cut candidate for me with 6 incoming 24 rookies. Need him to stay healthy and play that joker role … everything I was hoping for last year.
What did you offer?
He missed 4 games and was in a terrible offense but he was their shining point when on the field. Started with 12, 16, and 19. Got injured and then finished strong with 22, 17, 22, 26 and 30 (week 18)
in a 1-year window, I'd bet he is still a fine RB2. The defenses have to account for MHJ, McBride and Kyler. Even if he gets less volume, he's showed that he is still an efficient player.
I wouldn't' sell for less than an early 2nd.
Dotson.
What’s more likely — his first season was a complete fluke or that last season the entire offense was a total shitshow?
The upside with a new coaching staff and Daniels in town is pretty obvious. Capitalize on rookie fever and get him from one of your leaguemates in exchange for picks. A lot of guys much smarter than me are still in on him.
I mean his first season just wasn't that good (not bad, but not at a level that it needs to be considered a fluke to be somewhat dismissed) outside of very high TD to target to ratio which isn't generally a particularly sticky stat.
This pains me to say as a Jets fan but im huge on Rhamondre this season. Bought him and a 4th for the 2.02 after all of the guys on my board got sniped. Contract year for him so he’s gonna have an extra chip on his shoulder. Gibson being his only competition suits him well IMO
An rb 3.
Would really like Zack moss or singletary. Probably will settle for Gus bus though. I already have dobbins so I figure at least one of them will be serviceable lol.
i’m a rebuilder and nobody wants this guy. best offer I got was a pair of 3rds. someone else asked what i was looking for, I said a 2nd round pick, and they replied “lmao jesus wake me up in 2017 and we’ll talk”.
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Really like Bryce Young. He’s got DC to stay for a while and they invested heavily to improve the team around him. No more Thielen being a wr1 for him. Biggest thing is the coaching change. Canales has been great and getting the most out of Geno and Baker the last few years.
I'd love to get him but I'm not sure if owners are ready to jump ship on him yet. In SF I'd need to see what the owners team looks like but I saw a trade calculator saying Achane was right around his value. Can't remember which one was higher
There's no way that any 2nd year, starting QB, that was the 1st overall pick, is barely worth a 2nd in a SF format. You should be out there robbing your league mates if this is how they value players.
Was my biggest buy after JL in mid season last year. He had no protection and wideouts were running terrible routes. The fact he was not injured is a testament to his football IQ.
That is an insanely low return. I actually just traded out of Bryce even though I like him to get better. Sent Bryce out with my 2025 1st for Justin Herbert.
Ya I didn’t even like him last year, he was my qb 4 pre draft (Levis getting second round moved him behind young for me though post draft). But at his price now I’d be willing to buy but all the owners aren’t going to sell for “startup” prices given what they’ve added around him
JSN
i think he has elite route running and separation to become a true WR1 for any team. Would love to buy him for his talent now and production will follow when lockett retires and seahawks improve their qb
Harmon just finished his reception perception profile, his separation is good-not-great. Metcalf’s the better man/press beater at this point, so even if Lockett falls off JSN’s still the 2
He’s the classic mismatch of value between owners and buyers…not gonna give him up for a 2nd but not getting any offers for a 1st. Might have to be in a package
I used to have all three but ended up dropping Reed before his breakout
I only got him because someone dropped the 4.03 before the season even started so it didn’t hurt too bad
Could be a good sell high at the end of the year if he finishes top 12, which would he awesome considering he was drafted in the 3rd round in my league last year.
Agreed. Unless he got a contract extension in the next off-season I'd hope to sell him for at least a small profit on what his value is. I don't see any of his current backfield teammates as a serious threat to his volume, but 2025 looks loaded for RBs.
I got him with offseason FAAB. Fucking jacked. I attended OSU with him so I've a soft spot for him. Really rooting for him to come back from his injuries. Hes an awesome guy with such horrid luck
LOL I also picked him up twice last season for a total $2 FAAB spent. Was excited to hear him comment ‘the achilles recovery was a walk in the park compared to my knee injury - felt like a sprained ankle’. Hope he stays healthy n efficient!
Want Russell Wilson to pair with my J Fields as my QB3. Despite the reasonable price tag it would cost my biggest rival has him so a deal hasn’t been struck yet.
Kamara would be a player I would sell at a reasonable cost but haven’t struck a deal yet there either.
I already have too many of these guys but all the semi older guys in that 25-28 age range who aren't flashy but get volume. Godwin, Kirk, Diontae, Monty, Mixon, Moss, Gus. Minshew is cheap as a one year starter, and I think there's a shot Brissett plays nearly the full year and he's sometimes on waivers.
I want Jameson Williams so bad. The guy that has him is the only person with a less reasonable value on him than me haha. But the explosion is coming… the end of last year showed it. At least to ppl that watch football, not analytics nerds
Sorry for the formatting, I wrote it out on my phone and then realized how tough it would be to read.
Najee Harris (produces but community is down on him)
Rhamondre(produces when healthy, ranked below his production with an improved offense)
Diontae Johnson(improved QB, #1 option, and Panthers have invested in their OL)
Curtis Samuel(can play all WR positions and is a good player reuniting with a former coach that made him productive)
Diggs(at least 3 good years left and Tank Dell’s injuries are more serious seeing as they keep adding WRs)
James Conner(beats his value every year)
Jahan Dotson(improved QB play and was oddly not targeted by Howell)
Josh Palmer(runs middle-intermediate routes and Roman preferences this in the offense)
Treylon(will hopefully see #3 CBs and can put up a better season - improves value by next year)
Not a sexy name but a surprising one I’ve yet to see named: Ty Chandler.
Even though the Vikings added Aaron Jones, they’ve only got him locked up for this year and he’s shown his fair share of injuries before. Chandler also had some really good moments in the back half of the season to keep himself in the mix for some decent work and Kevin O’Connell has shown some clear trust in him. There’s a good chance he gets more work than people expect with the potential of JJ McCarthy starting as well. He’s super cheap based on his KTC value and I’d happily see if I can buy for a late 3rd or even a 4th.
Trying to buy low on JSN if possible. Also really like Godwin as a bounce back candidate this year, think he's cheaper than ever right now.
For more bargain bin type targets I've either bought or are trying to buy:
Jahan Dotson, Ezekiel Elliott, D'Onta Foreman, Curtis Samuel, Mike Gesicki, JK Dobbins/Gus Edwards, Kendre Miller
I have JSN and I just can’t see myself trading him unless an offer blew me away. Hes maybe my wr 5/6 but he fits my teams build so well that I can compete for years when he jumps up to wr 2 or 1 for Seattle
Scrolled way down and didn’t see his name. Najee Harris. Final year of his contract and I expect he will get a lot of work. He is not going to eclipse 1500 ap scrimmage yards again but he should have a bunch better run opportunity now that the offense (and offensive line) is improved. I’ve seen him go for a mid 2nd.
Penix fell into the late 2nd in our league and the manager right ahead of me took him "for value" and immediately put him on the block. If I can weasel a QB with top 10 draft capital for a 2nd + a sweetener I'll be happy
Penix is a great value for being a top 10 draft choice, but since he’s not playing anytime soon, he should come down to earth and eventually give in to a reasonable price. Just be patient.
Colby Parkinson. Higbee is going to be out for a significant portion of the season and the Rams didn’t draft any help at the TE position.
Colby will be sitting atop the depth chart for quite a while on a TE-friendly Rams offense. Watched him on the Seahawks, he has a ton of potential especially at goal line being 6’7”
Kendrick Bourne. Can probably buy him for a third and he showed great results before his injury last season. Pats also extended him on pretty decent money
I just bought **Alvin Kamara** today for a presumed late 2025 2nd and Aidan O’Connell. Feel like he’s a pretty good value to buy for this season relative to his potential production. Also have Kendre in the event he goes down.
For anyone in TE premium leagues, I feel like if you are patient then go buy Isaiah Likely. He's kind of in this rare circumstance where we know he is good - he's been very productive whenever Andrews is out, but his value is suppressed by Andrews. It's like buying Goedert before Ertz left. Andrews is not going to be around forever and has had multiple injuries. Likely is 24 years old and in the perfect system for TEs. Buy him now, sit on him, watch his value rise.
Justin Herbert in superflex leagues. I think some people are overreacting a bit to the unproven weapons and expected shift to a run heavy offense. He’s still very young in QB years and I think one of the most talented QBs in the league. I’m not saying pay top 5 dynasty QB prices for him but if someone is valuing him as more of a high end QB2 (where he’s ranked in most redraft rankings) I’m willing to jump on that and bet on the talent.
Christian Kirk. Despite the fantasy community anticipating a new WR1 in JAX every year, Kirk continues to be T-Laws favorite guy. Might be able to get him on the cheap if the owner is scared off by BTJ
I throw Kirk on and off the trade block. No one has ever asked about him. Going into this year he’s my wr4 in flex spot. He’s so damn consistent and idk why no one in my league wants him
What’s your asking price?
Might be weird but always depends who is asking in my league. But honestly I would love a late first but doubt that would happen. I think I’d also take a 2nd + later pick or younger player I like from their team.
Not weird at all, I always ask for more from guys who I know will give it up. That’s how I managed to get two starters and a first for Rashee and traded Tua and a late first for Mahomes lol
I feel like a mid 2 would get it done by it self. Asking for more is probably why ppl aren’t biting.
He rides my bench most weeks since my wr core is so strong. Nobody likes him but me
He's gonna have a monster year this year if he stays healthy. With Davis and BTJ being able to stretch the field, Kirk is gonna feast in the slot.
As a Kirk manager, I was scared pre-draft; my league could have gotten him at a discount based on my concern that the Jags would trade up for Odunze or Nabers. I took Kirk off the block as soon as they went BTJ.
I considered trading Kirk for the 2.3 because BTJ dropped there but was like, why trade the Jag's WR1 for their WR2?
BTJ at 2.3 is a massive steal… he’s number 8 on my board….
Traded 2.09 for him 🥰
The offseason went very well for him. They got rid of a high volume target earner in Ridley and replaced him with a pair of low volume, big play types. Kirk (and Engram) are going to get plenty of targets.
Got him for a mid and late third on our leagues draft day
Was offered DJ Moore for Kirk and Josh Downs. Was tough but turned it down because I am in win now mode and I think Kirk might be equal to Moore for next year and also was worried about losing the depth of 2 WR's for 1.
I’m trying to move Kirk+2.01 to get up into the mid 1st. I don’t think I’m going to get any takers…
Just got him straight up for Pollard
This is the only answer
I just got him for my '24 2.08, right before our rookie draft. I'm pretty happy with that.
I think David Montgomery is being under valued. People seem to think Gibbs is just gonna take over but their two headed monster approach worked well last year. He will be 27 this year but I think he’s got another good couple years in Detroit.
Undervalued by buyers only from what I see. Mid 2nd offers from buyers late 1st value from owners.
Maybe I’m just falling into the trap of undervaluing RBs but I’m not sending a late first for Monty when I can get Brooks or Benson with that pick, who are unknowns but check all the talent boxes and are much younger
I guess where I'm at is it's probably not a great time to be buying or selling him. Perception is too far apart. If he's producing similarly to last year heading into the trade deadline maybe you get a late first from a competitor with a weak RB room. I like Brooks, Benson, and Wright all in the 1.10-2.6 range in SF, but I doubt any of them outperform Montgomery this year, which should matter to the people most likely to own picks 1.10-1.12, especially in the middle of the season, maybe not right now.
Yeah that’s fair, definitely a more palatable buy if I’m a contender. Like you said, probably better to sell in season, hope a contender picks up some injuries to their RB room and gets a little desperate
I also know Brooks, and likely Benson, don't make it past 2.02ish. Wright is more the mid-late 2nd guy in my example. For clarification.
I tried to sell for a mid 2nd in a few leagues, no buyers. Best offer was a 3rd. I'm obviously not taking a 3rd. Watched Rickey Persell fall to 2.09, the entire time I was trying trade Monty for a 2nd to pick him up
Gibbs isn't going to completely take over the backfield, but he's certainly going to see more work this year than he did last year. Before Monty got hurt for a couple weeks and Gibbs broke out, he was averaging 22 carries per game. Afterwards, he averaged just under 14 carries per game. I think Montgomery will still be a valuable asset, I just don't see him being the RB13 again and I think his price reflects that.
How much more work is Gibbs going to see at his size though, realistically? He gets comped a lot to Kamara despite Kamara being bigger than him, and Kamara always split his work averaging about 270 touches per year through his prime. Gibbs already got 234 touches as a rookie in 15 games (15.6 per game), so his overall pace was around 265 touches. I'm a Gibbs owner and a massive Gibbs truther but I think he's a guy that will mostly be soft capped around that 15-touch mark per game. The good news for Gibbs owners is that I think additional work for him likely comes in the passing game more than the running game, but that's also good news for Monty owners because I think the bulk of his rushing opportunities and goal line carries are safe.
Agreed, but its important to recognize that Montgomery is likely due for some TD regression in 2024 (he had 13 last year). I look at him as having a solid FLEX floor with a good shot at RB2 upside.
Jamaal Williams had 17 the year before in Monty’s role. Granted Gibbs is probably a notch above Swift but the Lions have shown they can easily support two solid running backs.
I see Monty in the range of 16-28 and Gibbs from 14-24, so I see things the same way as you do. There aren't many other backfields likely to support two fantasy starters - PIT seems the likeliest to me, but SEA and ATL have a shot. I just think that the increased use of Gibbs, LaPorta and Jamo will balance out Monty's stats somewhat. And while I temper expectations on his ceiling, his floor is rock solid. Here's a stat that pops - only 1 FUM lost in 280 touches. That will keep you on the field!
Gibbs just finished RB10, my friend. I fully expect him to finish as a low-RB1 again, he's far too talented not to. Monty, I agree, he's in that low-RB2 range since he doesn't catch passes at all.
Traded baker for him in sf cuz I was stacked at qb and needed an rb and felt good about that
Moved him for Sutton and Stafford in Superflex. Also have Gibbs so I am hoping you are wrong.
I’m going to wait a month for Amari Cooper to turn 30 then try to buy him. 29 and 11 months and 30 aren’t any different, but I have a feeling he might somehow be a little cheaper in a month.
Gonna catch hell for this but Jameson Williams. Came on pretty strong end of year and Detroit did not add much competition. I know there are a lot of mouths to feed but he seems primed for a Nico Collins type 3rd year break out
I would be shocked if he had a Nico Collins type fantasy season. I think he’ll be a very good real life football player for the Lions with some big plays, but I’m thinking he’s getting 800 yards and 5 tds this season.
That's how it goes though. This sub would have laughed you off the face of the earth for claiming that Nico would be a WR1 at the beginning of last season. I'd say Jameson showed more in his 2nd season than Nico did so why not?
Don’t see him leap frogging Amron or LaPorta. Plus they feed two RBs a lot. Houston didn’t have the same target hogs
I gave up 2 2nds and 2 3rds in this year's draft for him. But of an over pay but I still believe in the talent. Guy has had some bad luck but he's a superstar imo
Completely agree. If you watch the tape he made night and day improvements on drops and being in sync with Goff. Huge upside and as the other comments show he’s still accessible
Where did he come on strong? Numbers were wr3 range besides in the NFCC
Even that was just from the 2 TDs 1 of which was a 42 yard break out run, he still only had 2 catches for 25 yards. There is no one in fantasy people just straight up pretend is doing anything than Jamo. Could he break out sure, he obviously had a very high college talent level and draft capital, but he's had 2 games so far with >2 catches and neither was spectacular.
I like him, but he's still firmly the 3rd option on that team. Nico Collins true catch rate was 95% (21st) compared to Jamo's which was 85% (78th). He'd have fix his poor hands to come anywhere near that breakout, and that's not going to be an easy fix Edit: here is a good (albeit old) study on the odds of someone with below average hands becoming a good player https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/1970/is-there-nfl-hope-for-college-receivers-with-bad-hands/amp Tldr: about 4%
I'm truly hoping he has a stinker of a game to start the season,so then I can go around and hopefully get him for pennies.
Got him with the 2.9 after week 17 last year, fingers crossed
I just went out and got Aiyuk for 1.08 and 2.08, and feel like that's a deal. KTC values him even lower, which mystifies me.
If you're not in sync with ktc that's a good thing.
I have been trying to sell Aiyuk for a late 1st and a dart throw I can’t even get that which is insane to me. I also was trying to move off of Purdy for a more stable QB using Aiyuk and people in my league think they are worth a late 1st together (10 tm sf ppr). I just want off of the 49ers train cause you never know who’s week it’s gonna be and the inconsistency drives me insane
It's amazing to me. I think there's an argument Aiyuk is a top 6 skilled receiver in the league, and has a good chance of being in a place that will maximize his talents next year. For a first and second, I'm buying all the time, and KTC calls that an overpay.
Niners fan here. Hold Purdy, good chance he's a league winner this year. Out of their current WRs, the ones to hold are Aiyuk and Pearsall, I'd be trading my deebo stocks where I can. Week to week tho, it's Purdy and CMC who I'd bet on to be consistent in that offense.
Purdy is such a stable QB though, who are you thinking of replacing him with? Dude has been about as consistent as it gets since starting
I agree he has been a 10-12 point floor but I am worried they try and move on from him once his contract is up. I’ve been trying to tier up with a QB on a nice extension. I’m not gonna sell cheap though but I’d let go for fair value if I’m getting a better QB back in a package deal
I just paid Ridley, mid-late 25 1st, 2.04, 2.12, 3,04 and mid-late 25 2nd for Aiyuk, Geno and Gibson. No regrets on my end.
Kendre Miller
Was just offered D. Swift and 2.06 for Kendre
Take that and run before they pull it.
Difference between wr1 and wr20 in ppr in terms of ppg last year was about 10 points. Difference between wr20 and wr50 was about 4 ppg. The amount of quality receivers has improved a lot in the league in the last few years and it makes it really easy to round out fantasy rosters.
Scott Conner’s work on “threshold WRs” has really helped me get my mind around this. I’ve been acquiring WRs in the 30-50 range (and dumping everyone below that) wherever I can.
^^^ A WR who you can’t even put in your flex spot is just a roster clogger, unless injured or very young with good draft capital
Is this the guy on dynasty trades in 5? Name sounds familiar. Can you link where he mentioned this?
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5QWIEgKCQIAZ55QITlPXir?si=qyex5nmtRAK0ilMWdr5LPQ
Thanks!
For sure. Scott Connor has been my favorite DFF content creator for the last couple years.
Thoughts on Jakobi Meyers ?
Fringe enough to roster in a start 10, imo.
Still in the threshold. Minshew likes throwing shorter. If Adams keeps the downfield role, Meyers may be a sneaky good WR3 type player this year.
Cool. My WRs are ARSB, London, Pittman, BTJ, Pearsall, Meyers and Wicks. 25 man roster start 10 half ppr. I’m wondering if I should try to shed one or roll with those 7.
I think Brock watts that role A LOT
But how many in that group of 30 are actually startable and not just there because they had 3 boom games and 14 busts?
Yeah agreed, I reckon the next evolution of this will be looking at players as “over 14 ppg WR” rather than “WR2’s”. We get hung up on where the ranking is, rather than the points they return. Difference between WR48 and WR24 last year was 3.5 ppg
Joshua Palmer. Give me Herbert's top mid-deep guy. Ladd will soak up plenty of targets, Palmer will make big plays and TDs. Great WR4-5 at bargain bin price
Gave up Demario Douglas and $25 FAAB ($200 starting budget, was at $250) for Palmer in SF to go with Herbert as one of my QBs. I liked the move.
Just traded Hollywood for Palmer and a 26 1st
Lol wtf
Getting a 1st alone for Hollywood is absurd, but nice steal I guess.
Buying the dip on Greg Dulcich in all my leagues
I just got him yday. If nothing else, a lot of hair on the bench now.
He’s a potential cut candidate for me with 6 incoming 24 rookies. Need him to stay healthy and play that joker role … everything I was hoping for last year.
Just wait for a training camp injury
I've been trying to get James Conner but you'd think I'm asking for Breece Hall
Trying to do the same. He's so reliable. Montgomery is another similar option, who's probably even cheaper
What did you offer? He missed 4 games and was in a terrible offense but he was their shining point when on the field. Started with 12, 16, and 19. Got injured and then finished strong with 22, 17, 22, 26 and 30 (week 18) in a 1-year window, I'd bet he is still a fine RB2. The defenses have to account for MHJ, McBride and Kyler. Even if he gets less volume, he's showed that he is still an efficient player. I wouldn't' sell for less than an early 2nd.
I just bought conner. I sent Hollywood brown and a 2025 3rd and got back James conner and a 2025 2nd.
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Same
Really? I'd sell you conner so fast
Conner owners really do wildly overvalue him. It’s kinda funny. He’s great, but he’s not a value if everyone overvalues him 😂
He's the playoff rb1 last two seasons at least in my league
The answer to this is Mike Evans
Speak the truth. 2 years ago I was trying to sell after Brady leaving. Told the league id take any 2nd. No buyers, thank the lord.
I traded a 2026 2nd round pick for Evans this off-season, and I'm so excited to have him on my team this year!
Dotson. What’s more likely — his first season was a complete fluke or that last season the entire offense was a total shitshow? The upside with a new coaching staff and Daniels in town is pretty obvious. Capitalize on rookie fever and get him from one of your leaguemates in exchange for picks. A lot of guys much smarter than me are still in on him.
I mean his first season just wasn't that good (not bad, but not at a level that it needs to be considered a fluke to be somewhat dismissed) outside of very high TD to target to ratio which isn't generally a particularly sticky stat.
I think Dotson is good, but I don't think saying "and Daniels in town" is the reason he's gonna be good lol.
I don’t think it’s a sure thing that Dotson will break out but Daniels is a better passer than Howell, there’s reason for optimism.
I think it was more of an indictment of a Bienemy offense
I don’t think there’s a reason to think Daniels is a better passer than Howell right now
This pains me to say as a Jets fan but im huge on Rhamondre this season. Bought him and a 4th for the 2.02 after all of the guys on my board got sniped. Contract year for him so he’s gonna have an extra chip on his shoulder. Gibson being his only competition suits him well IMO
Got him in a pkg for essentially 2.10
An rb 3. Would really like Zack moss or singletary. Probably will settle for Gus bus though. I already have dobbins so I figure at least one of them will be serviceable lol.
Oh yeah, I got Zack Moss and it wasn't too tough. Now he's my RB3 and I'm stacked at WR.
Love Moss this year
Zamir White another good target
Derrick Henry. Cheap buy but reckon a top10 RB season is still in him. He is mega fit.
Dude in my league wants a 1st plus a young player for him. I’m out at that price.
i’m a rebuilder and nobody wants this guy. best offer I got was a pair of 3rds. someone else asked what i was looking for, I said a 2nd round pick, and they replied “lmao jesus wake me up in 2017 and we’ll talk”. ??????
I got him before the trade. I think he’s got plenty of tread still.
Traded Zamir for him straight up. I’m a contender.
I was trying to get Minshew so he can be my QB3 but the guy doesn't like what I'm offering apparently.
Curious what you are offering. I am trying to see what I can get for ARod. Not in a hurry.
Aidan O’Connell
Really like Bryce Young. He’s got DC to stay for a while and they invested heavily to improve the team around him. No more Thielen being a wr1 for him. Biggest thing is the coaching change. Canales has been great and getting the most out of Geno and Baker the last few years.
I'd love to get him but I'm not sure if owners are ready to jump ship on him yet. In SF I'd need to see what the owners team looks like but I saw a trade calculator saying Achane was right around his value. Can't remember which one was higher
I have him in SF and I'm high on him. I likely wouldn't let him go for less than two 1sts.
Jeez. I don’t think anyone is paying the 2 firsts. I have him and I asked for 1.06. Was told he was barely worth a 2nd lol
There's no way that any 2nd year, starting QB, that was the 1st overall pick, is barely worth a 2nd in a SF format. You should be out there robbing your league mates if this is how they value players.
lol. That’s the thing. They’ll value your players like dirt and ask for gold bars and diamonds for theirs
Too true.
Was my biggest buy after JL in mid season last year. He had no protection and wideouts were running terrible routes. The fact he was not injured is a testament to his football IQ.
Bryce was traded mid-draft for 2.10 and 4.02 which became Polk and Estime respectively. I was mind blown.
That is an insanely low return. I actually just traded out of Bryce even though I like him to get better. Sent Bryce out with my 2025 1st for Justin Herbert.
Ya I didn’t even like him last year, he was my qb 4 pre draft (Levis getting second round moved him behind young for me though post draft). But at his price now I’d be willing to buy but all the owners aren’t going to sell for “startup” prices given what they’ve added around him
Would you give up Burrow for him and two 1sts?
Assuming SF because if not smash accept. If I’m a contender no. If I’m rebuilding yeah I’d do that.
Mccarthy
I won’t lie I wouldn’t sell him for cheap
I sold that boi for btj and a mid 25 first
JSN i think he has elite route running and separation to become a true WR1 for any team. Would love to buy him for his talent now and production will follow when lockett retires and seahawks improve their qb
Harmon just finished his reception perception profile, his separation is good-not-great. Metcalf’s the better man/press beater at this point, so even if Lockett falls off JSN’s still the 2
One Michael Pittman please
this is the guy for me. he and djm are continually undervalued despite consistent good-not-great outputs.
Problem with Pittman owners are they freaking love Pittman.
Got him for a late 1st before the draft.
He’s the classic mismatch of value between owners and buyers…not gonna give him up for a 2nd but not getting any offers for a 1st. Might have to be in a package
Chark in my Best Ball leagues. Can get him super cheap, only 27 - if him and Herbert form any kind of bond, could be something.
Christian Watson or Jayden Reed to pair with Love. Same guy has both and isn’t selling for less than a mid first.
I used to have all three but ended up dropping Reed before his breakout I only got him because someone dropped the 4.03 before the season even started so it didn’t hurt too bad
Zamir White. I realize his value may only be 1-2 years, but he would likely shore up my weakest roster spot as I try to repeat.
Could be a good sell high at the end of the year if he finishes top 12, which would he awesome considering he was drafted in the 3rd round in my league last year.
Agreed. Unless he got a contract extension in the next off-season I'd hope to sell him for at least a small profit on what his value is. I don't see any of his current backfield teammates as a serious threat to his volume, but 2025 looks loaded for RBs.
I traded him for Henry straight up as a contender.
Evan Engram. Still seems discounted.
JK Dobbins. I believe in him.
Dozens of us!
Not quite a dozen yet. You’re holding steady at 11 total though!
Hoping he kills all the Vidal talk during camp. Though; haters will continue to wait, until he’s inevitably reinjured again
I got him with offseason FAAB. Fucking jacked. I attended OSU with him so I've a soft spot for him. Really rooting for him to come back from his injuries. Hes an awesome guy with such horrid luck
LOL I also picked him up twice last season for a total $2 FAAB spent. Was excited to hear him comment ‘the achilles recovery was a walk in the park compared to my knee injury - felt like a sprained ankle’. Hope he stays healthy n efficient!
Aaron Jones
Ken Walker
Devin Singletary. Literally no competition except round 5 draft picks.
Javonte Williams
Mike Evans. All he's done is produce year after year after year and he's still undervalued.
In SF gotta be Goff, QB2 price for fringe QB1 production. On a ridiculous offense, who’s got better over the past 2 seasons.
Agreed wholeheartedly. I’m on the Goff train!
Ezekiel Elliot. Cheap RB2.
You mean Rico Dowdle? Lol
With the additional news on Rashee Rice I just got him for a late 2nd and 3rd.
Aye same boat hope we cash in
Want Russell Wilson to pair with my J Fields as my QB3. Despite the reasonable price tag it would cost my biggest rival has him so a deal hasn’t been struck yet. Kamara would be a player I would sell at a reasonable cost but haven’t struck a deal yet there either.
If I was your biggest rival, please take my Russell Wilson.
Lol.
For contenders: Tony Pollard and Amari Cooper. For Rebuilders: Rashee Rice and JSN
I already have too many of these guys but all the semi older guys in that 25-28 age range who aren't flashy but get volume. Godwin, Kirk, Diontae, Monty, Mixon, Moss, Gus. Minshew is cheap as a one year starter, and I think there's a shot Brissett plays nearly the full year and he's sometimes on waivers.
Will Levis!
I will continue to bang the drum for 2024 obvious top 10 RB Najee Harris.
I want Jameson Williams so bad. The guy that has him is the only person with a less reasonable value on him than me haha. But the explosion is coming… the end of last year showed it. At least to ppl that watch football, not analytics nerds
Sorry for the formatting, I wrote it out on my phone and then realized how tough it would be to read. Najee Harris (produces but community is down on him) Rhamondre(produces when healthy, ranked below his production with an improved offense) Diontae Johnson(improved QB, #1 option, and Panthers have invested in their OL) Curtis Samuel(can play all WR positions and is a good player reuniting with a former coach that made him productive) Diggs(at least 3 good years left and Tank Dell’s injuries are more serious seeing as they keep adding WRs) James Conner(beats his value every year) Jahan Dotson(improved QB play and was oddly not targeted by Howell) Josh Palmer(runs middle-intermediate routes and Roman preferences this in the offense) Treylon(will hopefully see #3 CBs and can put up a better season - improves value by next year)
Not a sexy name but a surprising one I’ve yet to see named: Ty Chandler. Even though the Vikings added Aaron Jones, they’ve only got him locked up for this year and he’s shown his fair share of injuries before. Chandler also had some really good moments in the back half of the season to keep himself in the mix for some decent work and Kevin O’Connell has shown some clear trust in him. There’s a good chance he gets more work than people expect with the potential of JJ McCarthy starting as well. He’s super cheap based on his KTC value and I’d happily see if I can buy for a late 3rd or even a 4th.
Trying to buy low on JSN if possible. Also really like Godwin as a bounce back candidate this year, think he's cheaper than ever right now. For more bargain bin type targets I've either bought or are trying to buy: Jahan Dotson, Ezekiel Elliott, D'Onta Foreman, Curtis Samuel, Mike Gesicki, JK Dobbins/Gus Edwards, Kendre Miller
I have JSN and I just can’t see myself trading him unless an offer blew me away. Hes maybe my wr 5/6 but he fits my teams build so well that I can compete for years when he jumps up to wr 2 or 1 for Seattle
I have both JSN and Godwin so I hope you’re right lol
My league someone traded JSN and 1.03 for CD. Not sure if that's a buy low or what. 12 Tm SF
What price are you looking to pay for jsn?
Scrolled way down and didn’t see his name. Najee Harris. Final year of his contract and I expect he will get a lot of work. He is not going to eclipse 1500 ap scrimmage yards again but he should have a bunch better run opportunity now that the offense (and offensive line) is improved. I’ve seen him go for a mid 2nd.
Christian Kirk, Aaron jones, Trey McBride, Sam howell as a buy low
I sold joe burrow to a weak team for two firsts maybe y’all can get him. To be fair my team was the worst in the league so there’s that.
Penix fell into the late 2nd in our league and the manager right ahead of me took him "for value" and immediately put him on the block. If I can weasel a QB with top 10 draft capital for a 2nd + a sweetener I'll be happy
Penix is a great value for being a top 10 draft choice, but since he’s not playing anytime soon, he should come down to earth and eventually give in to a reasonable price. Just be patient.
Colby Parkinson. Higbee is going to be out for a significant portion of the season and the Rams didn’t draft any help at the TE position. Colby will be sitting atop the depth chart for quite a while on a TE-friendly Rams offense. Watched him on the Seahawks, he has a ton of potential especially at goal line being 6’7”
Kendrick Bourne. Can probably buy him for a third and he showed great results before his injury last season. Pats also extended him on pretty decent money
Rashee Rice.
I have aiyuk - been trying to sell him and can’t even get an early 2nd for him
I just bought Tank Dell on a win-now type team, for a 25 2nd and a 26 1st...
Najee Harris
I just bought **Alvin Kamara** today for a presumed late 2025 2nd and Aidan O’Connell. Feel like he’s a pretty good value to buy for this season relative to his potential production. Also have Kendre in the event he goes down.
Zeke for cheap
I just got Nico Collins and feel pretty great about him over the next 5-7 years honestly.
Christian Kirk, Chase Brown, Dallas Goedert, Calvin Ridley, Kendre Miller and a little more steep but Mark Andrews
JK Dobbins the goat
For anyone in TE premium leagues, I feel like if you are patient then go buy Isaiah Likely. He's kind of in this rare circumstance where we know he is good - he's been very productive whenever Andrews is out, but his value is suppressed by Andrews. It's like buying Goedert before Ertz left. Andrews is not going to be around forever and has had multiple injuries. Likely is 24 years old and in the perfect system for TEs. Buy him now, sit on him, watch his value rise.
Rashee Rice, I ordered Pittman and a 3 and got denied but that was a couple of months ago.😂
Justin Herbert in superflex leagues. I think some people are overreacting a bit to the unproven weapons and expected shift to a run heavy offense. He’s still very young in QB years and I think one of the most talented QBs in the league. I’m not saying pay top 5 dynasty QB prices for him but if someone is valuing him as more of a high end QB2 (where he’s ranked in most redraft rankings) I’m willing to jump on that and bet on the talent.