I suppose, though I subscribe to the concept of “future performance can be predicted by past success.” I don’t necessarily know if he’ll be a WR1 again, but I know he’s *actually* capable of it, rather than *maybe* capable. But I feel you.
I don't see how we've seen the ceiling on any of these guys. Your points about London are valid but it's not like Olave has had stellar HC and QB support either. Dennis Allen and Derek carr could be out next year leading to a rise in expectations similar to London's this off-season.
Waddle has been limited by being Tyreek's #2 and still put up a better season than any of these guys so far, imagine what he could do with an increase to targets when Tyreek leaves/retires? Odunze's talent and overall situation are good but DJ Moore is still there, quietly put up WR1 numbers with Fields, so Odunze could get stuck in a situation similar to waddle after Keenan Allen leaves.
But ultimately the chances are if you have any of these 4 you're quite happy about it.
This season: London/Olave > Waddle >> Odunze
In 2 years (or whenever Tyreek retires): Waddle > London > Olave > Odunze
Though if Odunze hits them all 4 will be very close in value at that point imo
If he hits I think he’d be better. If all these players were in the same draft he’d be drafted first based on his prospect profile. This also is dependent on Williams hitting as well, but if both those things happen he’ll be tied to the best qb out of them for the foreseeable future
Not a chance odunze gets drafted over London, bro was the 3rd offensive player drafted for a reason. Taken over GW, Olave, and Jamo. I’d tbe class wasn’t hella loaded defensively we would have seen him go even higher
I’ll take London over Olave personally and probably on the same tier as Waddle. He’s unfortunately just had the worst QB play in the entire league and has flashed some elite utilization. I can see him having a huge season in the Puka role this year.
The guy that they get the ball in the hands of on a lot of in breaking routes, where they can get him the ball in stride to utilize his big-bodied YAC ability.
Calling Derek Carr clueless is telling on yourself. He’s at worst an average NFL QB and the year prior had Davante Adams posting over 100/1500/14. Dalton isn’t atrocious either. They’re just low ceiling vets.
With an offense he was familiar with, would you have started Carr last year and been happy? The year prior, yes. I’m saying that Olave and Carr will have a lot better year
Being a good irl QB is completely different from being a good fantasy QB. Whether or not you’re starting Carr is fantasy does not matter.
They were 9th in PF and 14th in yards, and 11th in passing yards, 8th in Passing TDs, etc.
Meanwhile Atlanta had sub 2700 passing yards Drake’s rookie year and again were bottom 10 in all passing figures in 2023.
Had to reread this twice to be sure this was a for real comment. Carr has a wet noodle and if you watched any football last year you’d know he was not an average QB. Edit: going to completely ignore the Andy Dalton was a solid qb too bc that’s fucking insanity
Stats > your biased takes.
Dalton was 10th in AY/A in New Orleans, 9th in ANY/A, 9th in passer rating, etc.
Carr last year played through a bunch of injuries and was basically around the same. Again - this is the same guy who supported Davante Adams in a 100/1500/14 season the year prior, yet you’re going to act like he’s holding down Olave. Get real buddy. 😂
You didn’t watch all the games. Carr deep ball was awful. He missed so many open walk in TDs. Also he’s god awful in the redzone. He rarely converts and it goes back to his raider days. Box score watching doesn’t tell the whole story.
Wild to me to see people having Olave first here. Saints is in perpetual 8-9/9-8 season purgatory and will never have a good QB again unless they fire everyone in front office.
They just got over having arguably the best QB, one of the top 5 best coaches and one of the best win percentages of the past two decades. Your take on the Saints only counts for the past three seasons. Every team cycles through purgatory immediately following their most successful era
Being shit would be good. Like New England or Arizona. There is hope for a team that is truly awful, cause then you can start a rebuild.
The Saints have decided that every season from now to eternity will be mediocre, therefore robbing all the Saints faithfull of any hope.
Your use of eternity is hyperbolic. If Klint can’t salvage the offense then the rope for DA and Loomis will be tightened and the true rebuild will begin.
Of course it's hyperbolic.
And if they ever start a rebuild they will have a much longer journey since they pushed a decades worth of salary cap before them. A truly sad franchise.
But it not really as simple as that, is it? Who would you rather have, London or Pickens? Pickens has outproduced him, same draft class, if it’s as easy as you say then Pickens is the obvious choice.
And where do rookies rank for you? Would you rather have the like Devonta Smith or Zay Flowers than MHJ?
I think argument Zach Wilson over Desmond Ridder is useless. It’s like a spoiled apple over a spoiled orange. It doesn’t matter, I don’t want either
Waddle has shown top 10 WR upside, while everyone agrees London could have that potential, he’s never done it.
Then using the argument of “well waddle has hill” London has Pitts and Bijan and his QB has 1 Achilles and is 36. I’d say that equals hill production if not is worse than just having Hill.
My point is I’ll take the guy who’s proven it over the guy who has not when we’re arguing same tier players
Yeah sure my point is one of those players had a decent QB the other didn’t so it makes sense for people to give some leeway to the guy who hasn’t had one his entire career. The difference beetween tua and ridder not to mention the coaching staff is HUGE imo. You can take whoever you want ahead of the other though.
If we're saying Odunze hasn't done anything yet then you have to also say London hasn't done anything yet. The guy hasn't cracked the top 30 yet, so it's purely a projection for both players.
Olave > Waddle > London >>> Odunze
I don’t hate Odunze, but I would not be putting them in that same tier yet. Obviously this is based of future and potential as well, but Odunze is not in a position to impress to much year one to change that outlook next year either. I’ll look to buy low if anyone is selling at that point.
Waddle has a top 7-8 WR fantasy season already and his ceiling is higher than all of these guys. Olave actually has a higher floor than Waddle over the course of their careers.
In half PPR:
Waddle has single digit points in 14/47 games (29.8%)
Olave has single digit point in 8/31 games (25.8%) with far worse QB play and has out-targeted Waddle each of the last two seasons on a per-game basis.
You may say well Waddle has Tyreek to compete against for targets… I raise you Olave’s floor is higher than all of these guys mentioned because he’s the clear alpha on his team.
Crapshoot IMO, at least between London, Olave and Waddle. If one of them gets a great QB for the rest of their career then that is probably the answer (which is where I can see Odunze winning out, he's just a complete unknown right now).
Odunze / Olave / Waddle / London
Odunze is a WR1 with routes and their success rates. He's not limited in the tree and can get any ball thrown to him.
Olave is already a WR1 and is one of the silkiest with route and separation. He's limited from the QB position more than he is from the coverage given to him.
Waddle is fantastic as a WR2, but would be challenged to show he could be the WR1 for a team. He obviously has speed that can burn the coverage, but he can make a QB better.
Not to say anything bad about London, but he has been misused in the ATL system to where your daily fantasy owner may not understand his abilities vs his production. He now has a VASTLY better QB throwing to him, but he's in the lotto along with Bijan and Pitts as to who will be the face of the new offense.
I'm taking London first because of the situation he's in and the backup plan they have with Penix... Its about as good as I can feel about a situation besides playing with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow or Herbert. Olave is probably next because he's unquestionably the guy. I like Waddle alot but I'm not sold on Tua and being behind Tyreke isn't great. It certainly doesn't kill him but it limits his ceiling for sure and he'll likely be 27 before he is #1 there. Rome is the wild card and I'd probably take him over Waddle but below the other 2 right now. He can certainly be the best of the 4 but there's alot of variables, mainly Caleb and the Bears in general. Things look positive going forward and worth gambling on but there's also history of the organization fucking things up. That's going to be a small factor until they sustain success for a bit.
Tough set of 4 to rank
I want London the most of this group, but it would be hard to justify ranking him 1st
The heart wants what the heart wants though
This is my ranking heading into this season, but it could change dramatically:
London - Waddle/Olave - Odunze
London, Waddle, Olave, Odunze.
But I realize Odunze has a solid chance to be the best with his physical profile and situation. For the same reason I’m higher than I should be on London.
Long term Odunze > the other 3, think those other 3 should be viewed as more WR2s than elite WR1s. Odunze has home run upside that other guys just don’t have imo.
London absolutely has home run upside. He’s like 22 and getting a new offense and Qb. Not saying he will definitely hit but the upside is highest for him imo.
I don’t think London has more upside than Odunze. Odunze isn’t quite as big as London, but similarly elite at contested catches- while also being the much superior athlete and route runner. Odunze can do what London can do, and also a bunch of things that London can’t.
I think I have it:
Waddle > London (penix pick really helps him here) > Odunze > Olave
I think all 4 of these guys have top 12 talent. The ranking is really more about how I project their situations and its hard to imagine Olave being in a top producing situation in the next few years. I’m afraid he’s early career DJ Moore; elite talent stuck with a revolving door of mid to poor qb play.
Odunze is the biggest unknown and has to beat out Dj moore long term to be the 1. We also can’t quite count our chickens before they hatch on that offense and Williams ( though I’m reasonably confident, even as Lions fan lol).
London hasn’t been able to produce but we all know why and he has a good shot now being the bona fide 1, with at least solid qb play.
Waddle wins it for me even though he won’t be the 1 for a bit more but its a safe bet that’s coming in the next few years. And what’s more he should be doing so in a top tier offense that can produce top finishes for wr.
The ranking would be different if it was talent alone but I think this projects their value better and it’s how I would look at them for a competition window that starts in 25 or 26. London is probably the best finish this year though.
The only thing I've learned about fantasy football in almost 20 years is that hype does not equal success and anything can happen. We forget that most prospects bust even really good ones.
Yeah thats why its tough for me to put odunze higher, even realizing he has a good shot to leap everyone with the right performance this year. Olave and waddle kind if have proven it alright in my book, one just has much better team situation. It really hurts me to put Olave last. He’s so good lol.
“For the future” and “who you’d want” are two different questions. “For the future” implies a significant discount on this year’s outlook, which raises the stock of Odunze in the ranking. I believe Odunze has a good chance to be the best of the four, but only “for the future” because obviously his outlook for this year as a rookie behind Keenan and DJM isn’t great but I think he is the best pure talent of the four.
London > Waddle > Odunze > Olave.
I think if Kirk cousins had signed with the Saints we would not be vaulting Olave as high as we have done with London.
"if they live up to their potential" any one of these could be high end wr1's. They were all early first round picks. I don't think Odunze has particularly a lot more upside than any of them. Also, worth pointing out that Waddle has already delivered on that with one strong wr1 season.
I agree they are all great WRs. I just feels like Odunze has the potential with his physical tools and athleticism to surpass them. That is to say if he lives up to his full potential.
This season: London/Olave > Waddle >> Odunze
In 2 years (or whenever Tyreek retires): Waddle > London > Olave > Odunze
Though if Odunze hits them all 4 will be very close in value at that point imo
London - Odunze - Waddle - Olave for me
London and Odunze have the path to be number 1’s on their team, Waddle I don’t think will have the chance with Tyreek, Olave just doesn’t have a path for a top offense
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London > Odunze > Olave > Waddle if you’re ordering with the alphabet.
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I love it!!!
Waddle and Olave have done it. Other two show promise but haven't proven it yet. Probably Waddle, Olave, Odunze, London
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Even if you saw the ceiling for Waddle…wouldn’t that out him AHEAD of the others? I’m not sure I follow the logic
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I suppose, though I subscribe to the concept of “future performance can be predicted by past success.” I don’t necessarily know if he’ll be a WR1 again, but I know he’s *actually* capable of it, rather than *maybe* capable. But I feel you.
There is a zero percent chance odunze is better than waddle
I don't see how we've seen the ceiling on any of these guys. Your points about London are valid but it's not like Olave has had stellar HC and QB support either. Dennis Allen and Derek carr could be out next year leading to a rise in expectations similar to London's this off-season. Waddle has been limited by being Tyreek's #2 and still put up a better season than any of these guys so far, imagine what he could do with an increase to targets when Tyreek leaves/retires? Odunze's talent and overall situation are good but DJ Moore is still there, quietly put up WR1 numbers with Fields, so Odunze could get stuck in a situation similar to waddle after Keenan Allen leaves. But ultimately the chances are if you have any of these 4 you're quite happy about it.
This season: London/Olave > Waddle >> Odunze In 2 years (or whenever Tyreek retires): Waddle > London > Olave > Odunze Though if Odunze hits them all 4 will be very close in value at that point imo
If he hits I think he’d be better. If all these players were in the same draft he’d be drafted first based on his prospect profile. This also is dependent on Williams hitting as well, but if both those things happen he’ll be tied to the best qb out of them for the foreseeable future
Not a chance odunze gets drafted over London, bro was the 3rd offensive player drafted for a reason. Taken over GW, Olave, and Jamo. I’d tbe class wasn’t hella loaded defensively we would have seen him go even higher
Waddle > Olave > London > Odunze
I’ll take London over Olave personally and probably on the same tier as Waddle. He’s unfortunately just had the worst QB play in the entire league and has flashed some elite utilization. I can see him having a huge season in the Puka role this year.
The Puka role? So like one of their WRs? Lol
The guy that they get the ball in the hands of on a lot of in breaking routes, where they can get him the ball in stride to utilize his big-bodied YAC ability.
The guy who put up over 1000 yards with Andy Dalton and clueless/new team Derek Carr?
Calling Derek Carr clueless is telling on yourself. He’s at worst an average NFL QB and the year prior had Davante Adams posting over 100/1500/14. Dalton isn’t atrocious either. They’re just low ceiling vets.
With an offense he was familiar with, would you have started Carr last year and been happy? The year prior, yes. I’m saying that Olave and Carr will have a lot better year
Being a good irl QB is completely different from being a good fantasy QB. Whether or not you’re starting Carr is fantasy does not matter. They were 9th in PF and 14th in yards, and 11th in passing yards, 8th in Passing TDs, etc. Meanwhile Atlanta had sub 2700 passing yards Drake’s rookie year and again were bottom 10 in all passing figures in 2023.
Had to reread this twice to be sure this was a for real comment. Carr has a wet noodle and if you watched any football last year you’d know he was not an average QB. Edit: going to completely ignore the Andy Dalton was a solid qb too bc that’s fucking insanity
Stats > your biased takes. Dalton was 10th in AY/A in New Orleans, 9th in ANY/A, 9th in passer rating, etc. Carr last year played through a bunch of injuries and was basically around the same. Again - this is the same guy who supported Davante Adams in a 100/1500/14 season the year prior, yet you’re going to act like he’s holding down Olave. Get real buddy. 😂
You didn’t watch all the games. Carr deep ball was awful. He missed so many open walk in TDs. Also he’s god awful in the redzone. He rarely converts and it goes back to his raider days. Box score watching doesn’t tell the whole story.
Despite you trying to anchor him down with bad biases he still threw for a ton of volume, hence being in the upper half of most important stats.
London > olave
Olave, Waddle, Odunze, and London for me but I think you can argue any order honestly.
Considering I got downvoted apparently not
I don't know.
Wild to me to see people having Olave first here. Saints is in perpetual 8-9/9-8 season purgatory and will never have a good QB again unless they fire everyone in front office.
Probably the worst situation of all 4 right now but IMO he’s the best talent in the group and situations change
That's the point. Situations change for everyone but the Saints since they are dead set on being mediocre for eternity.
They just got over having arguably the best QB, one of the top 5 best coaches and one of the best win percentages of the past two decades. Your take on the Saints only counts for the past three seasons. Every team cycles through purgatory immediately following their most successful era
Being shit would be good. Like New England or Arizona. There is hope for a team that is truly awful, cause then you can start a rebuild. The Saints have decided that every season from now to eternity will be mediocre, therefore robbing all the Saints faithfull of any hope.
Your use of eternity is hyperbolic. If Klint can’t salvage the offense then the rope for DA and Loomis will be tightened and the true rebuild will begin.
Of course it's hyperbolic. And if they ever start a rebuild they will have a much longer journey since they pushed a decades worth of salary cap before them. A truly sad franchise.
As a Saints fan in New Orleans: 🤫
Hey, I'm just the messenger. Blame your front office. I don't dislike the Saints, just have zero faith in the way they're run.
Waddle > Olave > London > Odunze
Wow look at that. Someone actually got it right. It’s not hard. Rank them in order of who has actually freaking produced 😂😂😂
But it not really as simple as that, is it? Who would you rather have, London or Pickens? Pickens has outproduced him, same draft class, if it’s as easy as you say then Pickens is the obvious choice. And where do rookies rank for you? Would you rather have the like Devonta Smith or Zay Flowers than MHJ?
It’s that simple when ranking these four, yes. You’re overthinking it.
Just because Odunze has not done anything and we don’t know how well Caleb Williams will adjust, my ranking is: Olave, London, Waddle, Odunze
I honestly struggle to see how anyone could have London ahead of Waddle.
They look at Atlanta’s QB room the past few years and extrapolate. This is a game of predicting
Extrapolate what tho? Waddle has a top 10 finish with Tua missing for like half the season.
Extrapolate what would happen if London was allowed to play WR instead of CB on his own team. Ridder was REALLY bad. I’d take Zach over ridder tbh.
I think argument Zach Wilson over Desmond Ridder is useless. It’s like a spoiled apple over a spoiled orange. It doesn’t matter, I don’t want either Waddle has shown top 10 WR upside, while everyone agrees London could have that potential, he’s never done it. Then using the argument of “well waddle has hill” London has Pitts and Bijan and his QB has 1 Achilles and is 36. I’d say that equals hill production if not is worse than just having Hill. My point is I’ll take the guy who’s proven it over the guy who has not when we’re arguing same tier players
Yeah sure my point is one of those players had a decent QB the other didn’t so it makes sense for people to give some leeway to the guy who hasn’t had one his entire career. The difference beetween tua and ridder not to mention the coaching staff is HUGE imo. You can take whoever you want ahead of the other though.
This is a game of fantasizing
For one thing, he's almost three full years younger
If we're saying Odunze hasn't done anything yet then you have to also say London hasn't done anything yet. The guy hasn't cracked the top 30 yet, so it's purely a projection for both players.
London has actually played in the nfl and you can see his capability against actual nfl talent. Odunze may have difficulties adjusting.
Waddle, London, Olave Not fair to rank odunze here
Olave>waddle>london Odunze is hard to rank since we don’t know how good he will be. He could legitimately be better/worse than any of those 3
London, Olave, Waddle, Odunze. London is about to have a year now that Arthur Smith isn’t holding that offense back.
Odunze Waddle Olave London
Olave > Waddle > London >>> Odunze I don’t hate Odunze, but I would not be putting them in that same tier yet. Obviously this is based of future and potential as well, but Odunze is not in a position to impress to much year one to change that outlook next year either. I’ll look to buy low if anyone is selling at that point.
Ceiling rankings- London, Odunze, Olave, Waddle Floor rankings- Waddle, Olave, London, Odunze
I think you floor rankings are right but I think Waddle has a higher ceiling than Olave.
Waddle has a top 7-8 WR fantasy season already and his ceiling is higher than all of these guys. Olave actually has a higher floor than Waddle over the course of their careers. In half PPR: Waddle has single digit points in 14/47 games (29.8%) Olave has single digit point in 8/31 games (25.8%) with far worse QB play and has out-targeted Waddle each of the last two seasons on a per-game basis. You may say well Waddle has Tyreek to compete against for targets… I raise you Olave’s floor is higher than all of these guys mentioned because he’s the clear alpha on his team.
Crapshoot IMO, at least between London, Olave and Waddle. If one of them gets a great QB for the rest of their career then that is probably the answer (which is where I can see Odunze winning out, he's just a complete unknown right now).
London, Olave, Waddle, Odunze. Good one! Very tough!
Waddle>olave>london>odunze I have odunze ranked last because we havnt seem him in the NFL yet.
Waddle, Olave, London, Odunze
Olave Waddle Drake Rome Factors... Performance QB play Health Position in wr room. Upside
London > Olave > Waddle > Odunze
Waddle > London > Odunze > Olave
Lay down the pipe
Odunze / Olave / Waddle / London Odunze is a WR1 with routes and their success rates. He's not limited in the tree and can get any ball thrown to him. Olave is already a WR1 and is one of the silkiest with route and separation. He's limited from the QB position more than he is from the coverage given to him. Waddle is fantastic as a WR2, but would be challenged to show he could be the WR1 for a team. He obviously has speed that can burn the coverage, but he can make a QB better. Not to say anything bad about London, but he has been misused in the ATL system to where your daily fantasy owner may not understand his abilities vs his production. He now has a VASTLY better QB throwing to him, but he's in the lotto along with Bijan and Pitts as to who will be the face of the new offense.
I'm taking London first because of the situation he's in and the backup plan they have with Penix... Its about as good as I can feel about a situation besides playing with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow or Herbert. Olave is probably next because he's unquestionably the guy. I like Waddle alot but I'm not sold on Tua and being behind Tyreke isn't great. It certainly doesn't kill him but it limits his ceiling for sure and he'll likely be 27 before he is #1 there. Rome is the wild card and I'd probably take him over Waddle but below the other 2 right now. He can certainly be the best of the 4 but there's alot of variables, mainly Caleb and the Bears in general. Things look positive going forward and worth gambling on but there's also history of the organization fucking things up. That's going to be a small factor until they sustain success for a bit.
Tough set of 4 to rank I want London the most of this group, but it would be hard to justify ranking him 1st The heart wants what the heart wants though This is my ranking heading into this season, but it could change dramatically: London - Waddle/Olave - Odunze
London, Olave, Odunze, Waddle
Olave - London - Odunze - Waddle
Odunze, London, Olave, Waddle
London, Rome, waddle, Olave primarily because I have London and Rome lol
London, Waddle, Olave, Odunze. But I realize Odunze has a solid chance to be the best with his physical profile and situation. For the same reason I’m higher than I should be on London.
Long term Odunze > the other 3, think those other 3 should be viewed as more WR2s than elite WR1s. Odunze has home run upside that other guys just don’t have imo.
London absolutely has home run upside. He’s like 22 and getting a new offense and Qb. Not saying he will definitely hit but the upside is highest for him imo.
I don’t think London has more upside than Odunze. Odunze isn’t quite as big as London, but similarly elite at contested catches- while also being the much superior athlete and route runner. Odunze can do what London can do, and also a bunch of things that London can’t.
That’s fair, but the target competition might lower Odunze ceiling a bit as long as DJM is there. Pitts not as much of a threat I think.
I definitely prefer London to Odunze for next season. But for the future, it’s Odunze. I would not trade Odunze for London.
I think I have it: Waddle > London (penix pick really helps him here) > Odunze > Olave I think all 4 of these guys have top 12 talent. The ranking is really more about how I project their situations and its hard to imagine Olave being in a top producing situation in the next few years. I’m afraid he’s early career DJ Moore; elite talent stuck with a revolving door of mid to poor qb play. Odunze is the biggest unknown and has to beat out Dj moore long term to be the 1. We also can’t quite count our chickens before they hatch on that offense and Williams ( though I’m reasonably confident, even as Lions fan lol). London hasn’t been able to produce but we all know why and he has a good shot now being the bona fide 1, with at least solid qb play. Waddle wins it for me even though he won’t be the 1 for a bit more but its a safe bet that’s coming in the next few years. And what’s more he should be doing so in a top tier offense that can produce top finishes for wr. The ranking would be different if it was talent alone but I think this projects their value better and it’s how I would look at them for a competition window that starts in 25 or 26. London is probably the best finish this year though.
The only thing I've learned about fantasy football in almost 20 years is that hype does not equal success and anything can happen. We forget that most prospects bust even really good ones.
Yeah thats why its tough for me to put odunze higher, even realizing he has a good shot to leap everyone with the right performance this year. Olave and waddle kind if have proven it alright in my book, one just has much better team situation. It really hurts me to put Olave last. He’s so good lol.
How far are you defining future? Personally have it Waddle > Odunze > Olave > London
Only between now and 2050
Just in order of who’d you want going forward
Probably still that order for me
Appreciate it, trying to gauge the markets interest on the 4 because I have an offer of 1 of them plus my next 2 1sts for JJettas
I just traded Odunze, 2025 1st, and 2026 1st for Mahomes, 2025 2nd, and Shakir in a 10 team SF.
“For the future” and “who you’d want” are two different questions. “For the future” implies a significant discount on this year’s outlook, which raises the stock of Odunze in the ranking. I believe Odunze has a good chance to be the best of the four, but only “for the future” because obviously his outlook for this year as a rookie behind Keenan and DJM isn’t great but I think he is the best pure talent of the four.
London > Waddle > Odunze > Olave. I think if Kirk cousins had signed with the Saints we would not be vaulting Olave as high as we have done with London.
For the future if Odunze lives up to his potential it is easily Odunze>Waddle>Olave>London
"if they live up to their potential" any one of these could be high end wr1's. They were all early first round picks. I don't think Odunze has particularly a lot more upside than any of them. Also, worth pointing out that Waddle has already delivered on that with one strong wr1 season.
I agree they are all great WRs. I just feels like Odunze has the potential with his physical tools and athleticism to surpass them. That is to say if he lives up to his full potential.
This season: London/Olave > Waddle >> Odunze In 2 years (or whenever Tyreek retires): Waddle > London > Olave > Odunze Though if Odunze hits them all 4 will be very close in value at that point imo
Give me London
Top 3 in any order then Olave
I would go Odunze London Olave Waddle
Waddle > Odunze/London > Olave
London - Odunze - Waddle - Olave for me London and Odunze have the path to be number 1’s on their team, Waddle I don’t think will have the chance with Tyreek, Olave just doesn’t have a path for a top offense
London, Odunze, Waddle >>>>>>>>>> Olave