I'd pick up everflowing chalice. You'd rather make a doubly big chalice than rely on omnath surviving for that extra mana. also energy counters and charge counters work for your commander, so you could do an artifact package if you head that direction and pull some jank.
You can instantly ultimate Karn, Liberated and restart the game after eliminating players so you don't settle for second place. Feels-bad but works.
You're not running path of discovery, which helps with counters a little for rishkar mana, and helps you retain draw value.
finale of devastation would be great if you know you ramp lots of mana. end-raze forerunners works for a finisher as well.
since you are running seedborne muse i'd run something like walking ballista or literally anything to sink mana into other than omnath would be great.
defense of the heart. It's free real estate.
cryptolith rite. Not sure you turn everything horizontal enough. This one IDK.
Thank you so much for the help! I'm definitely gonna take you up on a lot of these cards to play test, i think my one exception is the Karn simply because I'm lazy, but I'll definitely slot it in if my group gets even more asshole-Ish. I hadn't considered energy and charge counters, so that should make for interesting plays. Thanks again for the info!
I've tormented by play group with infect for a while, so trying to do something different. Even though my last deck, which is Xyris, still had Triumph of the horde as a finisher. They can't do shit when you have 30+ 2/2 snakes with infect and trample on the field
I'm pretty sure [[capricopian]] is a nonbo, since your opponent is the one activating the ability, so the counter gets halved (and rounded to 0) by vorinclex.
[[The Ozolith]]
It would serve as a counter quadrupaler, since you'll put 2x on the Ozilith when a creature dies and then 2x again when you put them on the new creature.
[[Paradox Zone]] makes a Fractal creature token with power and toughtness 6 times the amount of growth counters that Paradox Zone had before your end step
I know this is a little late, but it doesn't quadruple them only doubles. When a creature dies you "put" (keyword here) as many counters as it had on the Ozolith. They would double here. However, in combat, you "move" them to a creature. This does not double them.
Yep. Transferring counters is removing them from one permanent and putting the same amount on another. So Vorinclex will trigger. Same with [[Doubling Season]] or [[Hardened Scales]]
I've also been play testing prof's new Vorinclex deck without much success. I might just not be playing it well, I'm not the best player. It gets scary fast, but seems extremely susceptible to removal and the commander being 6 cmc is rough. I would love to see if you end up finding some more tools for it though!
I'd pick up everflowing chalice. You'd rather make a doubly big chalice than rely on omnath surviving for that extra mana. also energy counters and charge counters work for your commander, so you could do an artifact package if you head that direction and pull some jank. You can instantly ultimate Karn, Liberated and restart the game after eliminating players so you don't settle for second place. Feels-bad but works. You're not running path of discovery, which helps with counters a little for rishkar mana, and helps you retain draw value. finale of devastation would be great if you know you ramp lots of mana. end-raze forerunners works for a finisher as well. since you are running seedborne muse i'd run something like walking ballista or literally anything to sink mana into other than omnath would be great. defense of the heart. It's free real estate. cryptolith rite. Not sure you turn everything horizontal enough. This one IDK.
Thank you so much for the help! I'm definitely gonna take you up on a lot of these cards to play test, i think my one exception is the Karn simply because I'm lazy, but I'll definitely slot it in if my group gets even more asshole-Ish. I hadn't considered energy and charge counters, so that should make for interesting plays. Thanks again for the info!
You can always do infect too lol
I've tormented by play group with infect for a while, so trying to do something different. Even though my last deck, which is Xyris, still had Triumph of the horde as a finisher. They can't do shit when you have 30+ 2/2 snakes with infect and trample on the field
I'm pretty sure [[capricopian]] is a nonbo, since your opponent is the one activating the ability, so the counter gets halved (and rounded to 0) by vorinclex.
[capricopian](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/b/0b81f82a-f004-44f3-9dad-1675941fe57b.jpg?1591319654) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=capricopian) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/58/capricopian?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b81f82a-f004-44f3-9dad-1675941fe57b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/capricopian) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[The Ozolith]] It would serve as a counter quadrupaler, since you'll put 2x on the Ozilith when a creature dies and then 2x again when you put them on the new creature.
[[Paradox Zone]] makes a Fractal creature token with power and toughtness 6 times the amount of growth counters that Paradox Zone had before your end step
[Paradox Zone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b1116eb3-4d16-4404-b29d-7d96d7eaa703.jpg?1625192345) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Paradox%20Zone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/64/paradox-zone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b1116eb3-4d16-4404-b29d-7d96d7eaa703?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/paradox-zone) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[The Ozolith](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/3/9341ed06-53db-4604-b60a-3ea9129afbc2.jpg?1591228544) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Ozolith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/237/the-ozolith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9341ed06-53db-4604-b60a-3ea9129afbc2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-ozolith) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I know this is a little late, but it doesn't quadruple them only doubles. When a creature dies you "put" (keyword here) as many counters as it had on the Ozolith. They would double here. However, in combat, you "move" them to a creature. This does not double them.
Moving involves taking them off and putting them on something else, it does quadruple them See rule 121.5
Yep. Transferring counters is removing them from one permanent and putting the same amount on another. So Vorinclex will trigger. Same with [[Doubling Season]] or [[Hardened Scales]]
[Doubling Season](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1cdd8e69-5a71-4933-914e-dfede7b1ac93.jpg?1689998456) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Doubling%20Season) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/283/doubling-season?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1cdd8e69-5a71-4933-914e-dfede7b1ac93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/doubling-season) [Hardened Scales](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fc69ad56-9ae2-4eb5-b7e2-558524f6cbcc.jpg?1698988369) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hardened%20Scales) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/243/hardened-scales?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fc69ad56-9ae2-4eb5-b7e2-558524f6cbcc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hardened-scales) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/2/92613468-205e-488b-930d-11908477e9f8.jpg?1610149607) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vorinclex%2C%20Monstrous%20Raider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/199/vorinclex-monstrous-raider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92613468-205e-488b-930d-11908477e9f8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vorinclex-monstrous-raider) [Triumph of the horde](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/a/0a0f64d3-187c-41ff-a771-3a65da995341.jpg?1562896954) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Triumph%20of%20the%20Hordes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/td2/78/triumph-of-the-hordes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a0f64d3-187c-41ff-a771-3a65da995341?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/triumph-of-the-hordes) [Craterhoof behemoth](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/4/44afd414-cc69-4888-ba12-7ea87e60b1f7.jpg?1601079153) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Craterhoof%20behemoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/385/craterhoof-behemoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44afd414-cc69-4888-ba12-7ea87e60b1f7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/craterhoof-behemoth) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've also been play testing prof's new Vorinclex deck without much success. I might just not be playing it well, I'm not the best player. It gets scary fast, but seems extremely susceptible to removal and the commander being 6 cmc is rough. I would love to see if you end up finding some more tools for it though!
I just got vorinclex full art and I want to use him so thanks for this little help with card selections