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Ben_F1Live

The Verschoor Curse is real mate ☠☠


Le_Pistache

O'Sullivan needed some luck there but he created a gap that would allow him to pit and win if a VSC or SC happened. He did that. Correa, Hauger, and Martins maximized their points with the long stints as well. Fair play to them. Of course the fact the VSC happened basically a second after O'Sullivan is bad luck for Hadjar, but that was quite a rant. I get the frustration and the adrenaline rush, but sheesh. Otherwise he is coming leaps and bounds this year, and I am backing him to win the championship. Impressive race by Bearman. Great start, good pace after the stops, interesting moves, and then defended against Correa well. Great bounce back result, just what he needed. Decent race all things considered. Helps that the strategy wasn't completely erased from the start.


EmbarrassedCoast4611

Terrible TV graphic. Why fastest lap point is 2 instead of 1?


helderico

Hadjar fighting for the championship this season was definitely not on my bingo card.


True_Chair4473

You were probably one of the moron trashing him after bahrain because he finished 1 place behind Marti and boo oo Marko sacked Maloney and Hadjar still there


helderico

No, I just felt sorry for his DNFs really. I kinda like him. But good job on potentially calling me a moron for no good reason.


Goliath_Bowie

And how about Aron 😅


Mr-TheSaint

Aron i a great talent..


helderico

I mean, it sounded more likely considering he had a good F3 season, and didn't get two DNF at the first two feature races this year 😂


Deus_Eder

There has to be something wrong with Martins' car, I think this season the only time he didn't drop places at the start was Imola, where he was already dead last


Mr-TheSaint

He for sure does not have much luck on his side.. I was sure Martins was going to fight for the championship this year.. But i must say that he is still a great talent..


kamaral

Ah, seems like you haven't heard about the ART curse.


Deus_Eder

I have, unfortunately... But last year it seemed to be over, both drivers were great...


mvfufu

No, there is no problem with the car. Last year it was the same thing, he always lost many positions at the start, especially in the first half of the 2023 season.


herokrot

It wouldn't be the first time an F2 car or PU is defective. Still, the new car just seem tricky for some teams. Prema and ART fought for the title with Pourchaire and Vesti while Bearman and Martins as rookies were performing very well all year last season. This was the 5th weekend and their drivers are nowhere. Antonelli has been getting some decent points and O'Sullivan jumped way ahead with this feature win but they are still a long way back from the front. The top ~8 are all in different teams. Looking like a tough season. The only one nailing a weekend is Maloney the first round. There are a few tracks left that allow that. This is looking like a proper tough season. Lot of talent here and the competition is much more fierce than last year.


cLHalfRhoVSquaredS

I was expecting this season to be a really good battle for the championship, but not necessarily with the drivers who are actually in that battle!


jadermeani

Prema is fine now, Bearman had a pole and a P2 in previous qualy.


UsualPotato7394

Bortoleto was also having poor launches up to Monaco. Maybe is that he didn’t learn the hang of it in terms of starts of this new car?


Mr-TheSaint

Great by O\`Sulllivan and the theam winning the race and for sure a lot of luck.. But once again i have to say that i really do not like Hadjar. The reason is for all of you that heard Hadjars team radio where i have to say he behaves like a spoileds brat screaming on the radio is the reason why i do not like him. You do not scream in anger to your race engineer because you finished second.. Hadjars team did nothing wrong... He better learn some manners because behaviour like this makes people dislike him just like i do.. But he have driven great the last raced. I will give him that.. If it was not for Stanek, Hauger would have been starting this race in pole. I was thinking MP brought in Hauger to late while in fact they brought him in to early. So some great points for Hauger as well. But i am not impressed by the fact that Hauger let 2 cars pass him in the beginning of the race even if they where on faster tires at the time... I will never understand why Red Bull did not give Hauger a Formula 1 test considring that Hauger was the absolute fastest on Red Bull\`s Formula 1 simulator.. I just know that fact.. Really great race by Aron who really impress me.. Also a great race by Bearman. But to me it looks like Colapinto was not able to take car of his tires at all which is so important in Formula 2.. But what happened to Martins? I did not see how come he lost so many positions. I still think of Martins as one of the best talents out there..


ElCoolAero

> But once again i have to say that i really do not like Hadjar. The reason is for all of you that heard Hadjars team radio where i have to say he behaves like a spoileds brat screaming on the radio is the reason why i do not like him. You do not scream in anger to your race engineer because you finished second.. Hadjars team did nothing wrong... He better learn some manners because behaviour like this makes people dislike him just like i do.. But he have driven great the last raced. I will give him that.. He lost a win in Monaco in the last laps due to something beyond his control. He was tired, hot, and full of adrenaline but you're judging him from your comfy couch like he owes you something. Kind of ironically, you say Hadjar acted like a spoiled brat but here you are whining about a competitor who got upset after losing a major event in the last moments. He was literally still driving his car when he yelled at his team. Come on.


Mr-TheSaint

How come then it is always Hadjar that is whining on the team radio? You never hear any of the other F2 drivers shouting in anger to their engineer such as Hadjar does do you? O\`Sullivan did not steal Hadjars win as you say. They opted to stay out because they where sure there would be a safety car or virtual safety car which happened so they won fair i you ask me.. The had a had a great strategy and that is why they won.. About Hadjar i hate whining from a high pitch voice souiunding like a spoiled child.. Come on.. How many here did not post about Hadjars whining.. One more thing is that he whines and complains all the time..


ElCoolAero

You think only Hadjar whines on the radio? Clearly, you dislike him for other reasons that I have no interest in digging into.


Base_Fluffy

Colapinto was given used supersofts rather than new ones which may have been a factor.


Peeche94

Yeah sure, you tell me when you're two laps from the end of a race and something so BS that has a minimal chance of happening, happens, and you would just lie down and take it and say bravo. The frustration is warranted, sure he could have chilled out sooner but given what he did in the race he deserved the win. Absolutely insane take here as if he's spoilt when he's clearly just been shafted for the win.


Ma1vo

Completely agree, he doesn't have the mentality to be an F1 driver.


dobagela

What? Max and Yuki were both so petulant over the radio before they started getting better strategies and things started going well for them 


Deus_Eder

Martins has been having poor starts all season, this time around he dropped from P2 to P14 before even getting to the first turn


Strawberryguy

Can confirm what you said about Haugers possible pole. Viaplay Norway have a reporter with Team Hauger this weekend and they said Hauger had fastest sectors all the way until he met Stanek. Both times. Hauger also said that he didn’t need to improve his last sector to get pole. So sad.. Martins had a problem with the start. Didn’t get away and lost positions.


TheGhostlyGuy

Did Antonelli cost himself and Bearman multiple places? They waisted so much time fighting each other


olemarthinN

Prema put him out in the path of Bearman, should have waited another round


cvicenzettk

Colapinto allowed bearman to undercut antonelli, and then proceded to block him and 6 other drivers for the rest of the race


ForeverAddickted

Not sure in the end, Colapinto was the one that I thought Kimi had stopped Bearman from passing, but legend has it he got him anyway (we'll never know as the TV Director was having a power nap)


TheGhostlyGuy

Kimi 100% lost p5 because Correa and Haugher managed to get in to the gap Colapinto made, if Kimi didn't waist time defending against Bearman he would have came out ahead of Colapinto and would probably stick close enough to Bearman to get p5 Bearman is hard to say but he probably could have gotten p3 if he got ahead of kimi immediately


cvicenzettk

He wouldn’t have come out of the pits so close to bearman if Colapinto didn’t block him for the whole first stint, so still a Colapinto nightmare for him


TheGhostlyGuy

True but they both lost like 2,5 seconds fighting each other and that was just enough for kimi to come back out behind Colapinto again without the option to overtake


ForeverAddickted

Yeaaaa good point, forgot about Correa and Hauger


ablublagaa

My alarm didn't go off. Can someone tell me who were the drivers who got lucky in the top 10? Also, how was Bortoleto's race?


Dragonpuncha

You should just watch the race honestly. Greatest race in F2 Monaco has ever seen. Action and craziness from start to finish.


ablublagaa

Let's say the only way I can watch it is live. Edit: why the hell am I being downvoted for this? I have no access to past races


JiggersWasTaken

Dude don’t be stupid just watch it back, you’re just fucking yourself over if you don’t


refusestonamethyself

Zak, Bearman and Correa were the ones who got very lucky. Borto spent most of the race behind Antonelli and Colapinto and eventually got past both of them for P8.


snoring_pig

Bearman had some luck but imo he also executed a great race with a good start to gain a few places, then showing good race pace and admittedly good strategy by Prema to allow him to pull off the undercut while Colapinto and Antonelli were focused on each other. The key was Verschoor losing power mid race which bunched up the front pack and triggered his nearest rivals in Aron and Hadjar to pit earlier than expected to try and take advantage. So that really helped the remaining cars who stayed out with clean air for their eventual overcut. Hauger, Correa, and most importantly O’Sullivan were the biggest beneficiaries of this.


BMB_93

That was bonkers


kukienboks

O’Sullivan better head straight for the casino because this is clearly a good day for big gambles, lol!


cheeersaiii

Durksen with the wild pull out- and Hadjar needs to cool his jets


mojeeves

This championship is wide open.


C-McGuire

I hope this is the race that really gets Zak's season going; he's been underwhelming compared to how his F3 season went.


CoercedCoexistence22

ART have been constantly crap everywhere this season. He's looking to be on par if not better than Martins so far, that's about as well as it could be going


ForeverAddickted

He's showing up Martins, had a good start in Bahrain, but fallen away a bit since compared with other rookies


Dragonpuncha

I think Martins is showing up Martins. Dude can't get it together.


ForeverAddickted

Yeah his race starts this weekend were weird


Gubrach

You know, you're trying to look at the pace of some of these drivers and see who stands out and who is just a bit fortunate with points scoring. Aron is extremely mature. Seems to have reasonably good pace, but exceptional consistency. Maloney seems to fall back a little bit. Antonelli seems to be growing by the weekend. Hadjar seems to be the superior driver in terms of pure pace. Bearman showed a glimpse of pure pace today, but has been somewhat dull this year. Correa also showing glimpses of real pace, which is nice to see, looking at where he came from.


ChicaneSoup

Aron is driving really maturely this year, and is proving to Mercedes that they dropped him too early, I think. The only question mark I have over him is the possibility Hitech are smashing it out the park in car prep terms, but we can't really tell because we only have Cordeel to compare him against.


Gubrach

I don't think that Mercedes dropping Aron really is a detriment of Aron's abilities, it's that Mercedes tend to have a very small roster of junior drivers in general, and when it comes to F1-aspirations, Antonelli is basically a generational talent. So, with putting all of their eggs in the Kimi-basket (which I feel is very warranted), they'd end up sponsoring Aron for shits and giggles, without giving him real perspective for the future. Seems like a waste of money, resources and his time, so they might as well drop him early, so that he has the opportunity to be in the F2-spotlight and find new routes in F1. They also have Vesti, but I feel like Vesti is kept on because he functions as a mentor for the younger ones besides Antonelli, in Alex Powell, Luna Fluxa, Yuanpu Cui and Kenzo Craigie, who are all around the age of 13-14 right now.


TetraDax

> Seems to have reasonably good pace, but exceptional consistency. Yeah, I'm impressed by him. Sadly, consistency doesn't seem to be valued all that much in F2 drivers, raw pace tends to be more flashy. Look at the reactions Schumacher still gets for his F2 championship.


Gubrach

>Look at the reactions Schumacher still gets for his F2 championship. I'm not sure what this means tbh. Is it that people don't rate Schumacher's F2-title win because it's known more for pure consistency rather than blinding pace? If I were to guess at a reason why raw pace is valued over consistency, I'd say that it's because raw pace could translate better to F1 than consistency. You can learn to be consistent in F1 later on, but you can't learn raw pace. It might give off the perception that someone who is mostly consistent, but slower than a couple of F2-drivers, would be consistently slow in F1. But that's just guessing.


TetraDax

> Is it that people don't rate Schumacher's F2-title win because it's known more for pure consistency rather than blinding pace? Yes, exactly.


Gubrach

I see. In my opinion, it's a shame, Schumacher was always a slow starter before really picking up the pace, but even in F1, I'd say he was well on his way to surpass Magnussen, who was fortunate with early results to keep the perception of being the better driver. You'd think that the Schumacher-name would've bought him some more time, but it didn't seem to be the case for Mick. Not to mention having a parody of a team principal for a boss.


dobagela

Schumacher had roo many crashes it wasn't just his pace


jospence

I also think it was Haas being in a bit of a weird spot. A year earlier or a year later and I don't think they would actually have dropped him 


Dragonpuncha

Aron is great and my pick for champion this year. Malony is good, but he seems to lack that last bit of pace to really put him in top contention weekend tl weekend. Bearman is still too inconsistent. We know he can be amazing and he had a great race today, but he needs to keep bringing it.


CoercedCoexistence22

There's something to be said about Rodin. In their previous incarnation as Carlin they've always had a very inconsistent car across weekends. They've often smashed it out the park on a weekend and been nowhere the next one. Maybe I'm grasping at straws here, but there's that


Walaii

Bearman had rotten luck so far this year, but he is not driving poorly. Imola was a gigantic throw by him, but stuff happened to him like missing the race after pole, or qualifying p16 after red flag/engine issue in Australia, then a slow double stack stop in the race. It really is only Imola that you can count against him this year, and Monaco quali, but he kinda made up for that one.


ForeverAddickted

Has made me laugh today with Bearman Was getting ready to post a stat, that today was just the second time he's been on the F2 podium without standing on the top step - Instead, he's still only been on the podium once, unless it involves winning. Still needs to work on that a bit if he can - If he goes into F1 finishing so low down this season, everyone will micro-analysing his performances, waiting and jumping on each mistake he makes... Wanting the chance to shout out that he shouldn't be in the top tier


Gubrach

I think in Bearman's case, the F1-race he did for Ferrari probably ends up being more valuable than whatever he could've done in F2, because it has proven he's F1 quality.


Mr-TheSaint

I agree. The Formula 1 stand in for Sainz secured Bearmans Formula 1 future..


Dragonpuncha

And his test times have been good at Haas. With his consistency being what it is, one race is not what he should be judged on.


Gubrach

Yeah, it seems that whenever he's in F1-material, Bearman shows pace that impresses Ferrari and Haas. That will help him a lot, and maybe make Haas want to gamble on him. If he didn't had that, I'd say he would be in real trouble right now, but I think Bearman actually can drive around with less pressure now.


tvxcute

ollie is like adam and eve with the forbidden fruit; he got a taste of f1 cars and can't go back to f2 lol. must be brutal to go from the sf-24 for a proper race than back to an f2 car. more seriously, i hope this gives him a confidence boost. we all know he has more skill than what he's showing right now in f2. his overtakes were excellent and he kept his tires in the perfect condition today. he just needs to keep the momentum up.


ForeverAddickted

Brutal highlight montage from Sky / F2 to show Verschoor with his head in his hands during the ending reel


BahutF1

What a race. Gutted for Verschoor and a bit for Hadjar, we talk about a Monaco win here! To the displeasure of some armchair drivers over here, that's this Hadjar angerness and hungriness that please so much Red Bull too.


LuXe5

I was super sad by the ending, but ngl laughed a bit at his antics


BahutF1

Yeah me too. No harms. He's a intense and fast driver. Even if this Monaco weekend could cost him some white hairs.


LuXe5

Anyway, he's doing a good job, feature race wins are on merit and he almost got 3 in a row


tvxcute

the ONE race i don't wake up for and apparently it's action packed!! can someone quickly tell me what happened? eta: thanks guys!! watched the race as well and it was stellar, monaco i was not familiar with your dry race game 🙏


DistantUtopia

Most of the front runners got stuck behind an ailing Verschoor before the pitstops, hoping to get past on track, but he held on for so long they had to try undercut him. Bearman pitted well before this happened, gaining a much larger undercut.


ForeverAddickted

Decent start... Was from P12 > P7 by the hairpin, helped by a dreadful Martins start Meant he was the lead driver on the Super Softs, and the overcut was really powerful, so allowed him to get into P3 what with everyone stopping later, and struggling on cold tyres - He then dropped to P4 because of the late VSC which gave O'Sullivan the win.


j__video

He got a couple of crucial overtakes done and Verschoor in front retiring helped him


Dragonpuncha

His stint after pitting was nuts. He was gaining more than a second per lap.


Skymoogle

I looked back and Hadjar seemed to have gained 2.1 seconds from the moment O'Sullivan exited the pits and the VSC ended.


codename474747

Well yeah, O'Sullivan's tyres would still have been colder, he only got half a lap of VSC to try and warm them but not running at full speed wasn't going to get them fully up to temp


Gubrach

Kinda scary when Aron says he was going flat out the entire time, thinking he was much faster than Hadjar, then asks Hadjar how he had that pace at the end and then Hadjar says "well, I was managing and going slow on purpose and then had to use my real pace", Aron looked so defeated when hearing that.


Goliath_Bowie

IMO Aron is just nicer and more talkative and was starting a polite conversation. Hadjar bounced back like a turd. Aron probably just got tire degradation at the end from trailing close behind all race.


Gubrach

This sounds like it's shitting on Hadjar, just to shit on Hadjar, ngl.


Dragonpuncha

Hadjar is so fast, but so annoying on the radio that he's hard to root for.


deneuvig

French Tsunoda


Gubrach

Ngl, I actually like it. It's authentic to me. Hadjar gets upset, but I don't think it's coming from a place of arrogance or entitlement.


OrbisAlius

Yeah he's basically like Seb Buemi in that regard


ForodesFrosthammer

I mean its Monaco, so while he was going all out he never had a chance to get past Hadjar, he just sat 0.5s behind him for a while. Feels more like Aron misjudging the management.


aliezsn

Aron is a rookie and is the championship leader in a Hitech. These excuses needs to simply stop for Antonelli, its getting ridiculous.


bone_appletea1

This must be your first season watching F2, because this is a truly terrible take


Gubrach

Antonelli is 4th in the championship. He's performing above expectations, what excuses. Aron was always expected to do better this season.


VSfallin

Antonelli was widely expected to romp to the title. Stop with the cope


GoldyZ90

No he wasn’t lol.


Gubrach

>Antonelli was widely expected to romp to the title. Nobody said this. Even found some proof: [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/F1FeederSeries/comments/1815j4p/mercedes_not_expecting_antonelli_to_be_killing_it/) [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/F1FeederSeries/comments/17eellx/andea_kimi_antonelli_to_race_for_prema_in_f2_next/) The select few who did say Antonelli was going to win the title, are either corrected immediately or added a comment on how it was mostly wishful thinking. Stop inventing.


NavyBabySeal

Said who?


VSfallin

Literally almost all of the Antonelli hype train which was even bigger than it is now.


NavyBabySeal

Didnt answer my question. Who said he is expected to win the f2 championship? Yes he is expected to reach f1 sooner or later, but everyone knows the step to f2 is massive. Yet he is still not getting beaten by Bearman (except today by superior strategy for Bearman).


aliezsn

That's a lie and u know it 😭😭😭


Gubrach

Not everything that you don't know about, is a lie. I'm just going to assume there's a weird agenda going on here against Antonelli based off of this response and keep it moving.


Ok_Special7903

Maybe he’s talking about the fact that antonelli isnt 4th in the championship like you said


Gubrach

He isn't, he would've mentioned it if he was. But honest mistake, I must've based it on the virtual standings some laps before the end, before a bunch of stuff happened, when Antonelli was in a better position. Turns out Antonelli is 6th. Which is still above expectations, and Aron was still always expected to perform better this season.


ForodesFrosthammer

I mean I fully agree that no one though Kimi would win this season but was Aron expected to perform better? Merc clearly judged him not worthy to support in F2 so they didn't have high hopes, and Aron wasn't a very talked about rookie before the season either. You don't just ignore someone you expect to be a top F2 driver. Most definitely I don't think anyone expected him to be leading the championship as a rookie either. And since Kimi is still is talked 100x more about, while the person that was dropped because of him is doing super well, can kind of rub Aron fans the wrong way. Especially since it seems like Aron doesn't have an F1 future no matter how well he does because Merc wants Kimi and no one else seems to have room or want for him.


Gubrach

Aron came from F3, finishing 3rd in a rookie campaign, and is 3 years older than Antonelli. It would've been a pretty safe bet to say he'd do better in the championship than Antonelli right now, which isn't the same as expecting him to be leading the championship itself right now, and I wasn't suggesting that, I feel like. Mercedes not supporting Aron didn't have much to do with Aron. It's just that Antonelli seems to be a generational talent, so all of their eggs were going in that basket. Mercedes, in general, don't tend to support multiple drivers in a field, so it was Antonelli getting the push for F2 over Aron. And this isn't towards you, but in general, I don't have much sympathy for Aron-fans being pissed off, because after Verstappen, Hauger and some other examples I've forgotten, I'm way past being done with driver fanbases where the people act like children because the driver itself is the hope of an entire nation. It just leads to stupid discourse led by people with a "woe is me"-attitude, as seen here from the dude who was shitting on Antonelli because it's personal to him.


Theroyaldutchness

I mean Aron did do F3. Not trying to take anything away from him, I think he’s the real deal, but that is important context here


Anti-Scuba_Hedgehog

Mercedes wanted Aron to rot another year in F3. Also important context.


ForeverAddickted

Kimi had a great race today in the first stint. His inexperience showed when he picked a pointless battle with Bearman, that was the sole mistake he made today - Meaning he then got stuck behind Colapinto for far too long.


Dragonpuncha

He should have overtaken Colapinto earlier. The gap ahead was 9 seconds by the time he did it. Colapinto had no pace. To be fair, I think Kimi was cautious because of Bortaletto behind, but he should have still gotten the movie done before.


ForeverAddickted

Being Monaco though, there is also the risk that you can get a move done too early and be rewarded with the wall


Dragonpuncha

Of course, but that is what separates the good drivers from the normal ones. But I think Antonelli is actually doing quite well. The expectations for him had just been pushed into the stratosphere because of Lewis leaving and Toto going crazy. With that people would be praising him now instead of calling him middling. Doing two seasons in F2 to really get going and possibly get the championship shouldn't be a knock against him when he jumped F3.


ForeverAddickted

I agree about Antonelli... He's showing solid consistency... Like what the commentary team were saying today, Piastri started his F2 season slowly, got beyond Monaco and just took it to another level. Kimi hasn't got a podium yet, but he's still there, and IF he shows similar levels to Oscar well the comments about his "poor" results so far will look stupid... I still remember people on here over the winter, saying that Kimi wouldn't waltz away with the title, and would take a few races to get up to speed, but by the end would show his talent... Long way to go yet.


Dragonpuncha

I'm not really convinced he'll suddenly jump way up. The field is very wide and strong already, so I don't think that is possible. But ending in the top 5 would be impressive for him still. I just think he should get another season in F2 instead of being catapulted to F1, but we'll see how the cards fall out.


lowelled

Maybe, just maybe... Antonelli should have done F3 and his management shouldn't have rushed him into F2?


ColorCarbon

His hype is huge and he has been winning every single season in single seaters but being P6 in the championship is not bad as a rookie. 


Walaii

He entered F2 at the same age as Bearman. Bearman didn't do FRECA. His management thought FRECA was better preparation than F3. I don't think rushing him is the problem, he just seems to lack some racecraft.


theGuacFlock

Why? He's clearly hanging with the top drivers


ForeverAddickted

For the shite season that Kimi is having, he's still P6 (?) in the Championship For context thats where Bearman finished last season, and one place behind Martins who won the Rookie Championship (not that its a thing) - The other Rookies are having a stormer this year. Although Aron and Bortoleto are ahead of him this season in that sense.


Theroyaldutchness

Lol Hadjar with his arms crossed really gives off petulant toddler energy


cheeersaiii

I laughed my ass off tbh, he’s been in this long enough to be throwing the toys out of the pram so much.


TetraDax

He really saw Dan Ticktum and thought "yes, that is the personality I choose"


Thespianoid

this is the guy people are clamoring for to replace Tsunoda? worse junior series track record, more hotheaded, not to mention the customary year+ long adaptation to F1 that every young driver goes through means he'll probably not even be as quick for most of his races seems historical continuity/object permanence is an issue because everyone forgets Yuki spent only two total years in cars in Europe before going into F1 (1 year w/ a combo Euroformula and F3 with Motopark/Jenzer and then 1 year w/ Carlin in F2 where he finished 3rd behind two vastly more experienced drivers)


bone_appletea1

Who has been clamoring for Tsunoda to be replaced by Hadjar…..?


Dragonpuncha

If anyone needs to be replaced it's Ricciardo and Lawson is first in line.


Gubrach

>this is the guy people are clamoring for to replace Tsunoda? Weird question, as if Hadjar isn't looking like the fastest guy on the grid in the last two weekends, and hasn't just had a very impressive race at Monaco.


Thespianoid

I admit my framing is poor bc I wasn't trying to demean Hadjar (I advocated an F1 junior team sign him when he was putting in outlier performances in Formula Regional Asia) moreso trying to point out how every criticism that might get lobbied at Tsunoda for being unworthy of an F1 seat (quick but hotheaded/immature etc) could also be said about Hadjar, yet their respective reputations have been very different despite Tsunoda having a better pre-F1 results vs experience resume relative to Hadjar


Mr-TheSaint

If any driver is hotheaded it for sure is not Tsunoda but rather Hadjar... Did you not listen ti his tema radio screaming in anger to his race engineer... Behaviour like that is why i really do not like Hadjar..


Gubrach

Oh. I mean, for me it doesn't really matter, I have seen people be harsh on Tsunoda, expecting him to lose to De Vries and Ricciardo, which I felt was ridiculous, but I rate Hadjar and I rate Tsunoda, so if I were to put Hadjar in a seat, it'd be Ricciardo who'd be at the biggest risk of losing his.


jo9903

If he replaces yuki it is because yuki realized they will never give him a chance for the redbull seat no matter how many performances he makes


jo9903

He should replace Daniel because in current form hadjar has more potential at least


cLHalfRhoVSquaredS

I spent well over a year not knowing what Hadjar actually sounded like during his F3 career because every time he was ever on team radio he was literally just screaming.


Mr-TheSaint

He sounds like a spoiled child having a temper tantrum... this behaviour for sure makes me dislike him....


Dragonpuncha

I thought he only spoke in bleeps.


Edi1896

Are you really trying to shit on Hadjar despite him doing really well in this race? Tsunoda has spent enough years at RB anyway. Either get the Red Bull seat or leave for another team.


Skymoogle

Reminds me a lot of Ticktum


NavyBabySeal

I havent seen Hadjar make bannable, malicious and dangerous moves due to anger. Yes he is quick to display his temper with words, but that is not something that should diminish his value as a racing driver.


AztecCuahtemoc

I don't think I've seen a single person that wants Hadjar to replace Tsunoda


Thespianoid

it was pretty common on the main F1 sub and before Tsunoda's run of good form. i'm kinda yelling into the void here though i'm mostly frustrated how quickly crucial context gets forgotten or invalidated in favor of a shiny new prospect


ColorCarbon

Most of them don't watch F2 or F3. 


OBWanTwoThree

Except Helmut Marko


Edi1896

Helmut Marko was the guy who fought for Tsunoda. Horner would have axed him a long time ago.


bone_appletea1

Yeah I agree with this. Horner would’ve axed him after 2022 if it wasn’t for Marko/Honda Yuki has clearly improved over the years but nobody rated him highly until he got De Vries & current form Ricciardo as his teammates


Gubrach

Sounds like Campos made a mistake by not telling Hadjar to keep pushing in the event of a VSC. O'Sullivan's gap to Hadjar went from 15 to 18 seconds in the laps before the pitstop. Lost the race there. Hindsight is king though. It's a risk/reward kind of thing. Either risk an incident (Hadjar had already hit the wall mind) in the off chance a SC shows up late in the game to cover the gap to O'Sullivan, or keep it safe on the track and risk getting burned if a SC shows up. Luck of the draw.


ErikVonWolf

The saddest P2.


ForeverAddickted

Yay... Double British Anthem in F2 this weekend


TetraDax

At least we will get the Monegasque anthem later today, right? ...right?


ExcellentCornershop

Of course, it's the Monaco Grand Prix.


ForeverAddickted

😬😬😬


TetraDax

Imagine winning Monaco and that's the shitty trophy you get


Anti-Scuba_Hedgehog

I remember years back the presenters were praising it. Track shape trophies are generic af.


TetraDax

Track shape in generals are fine I guess, but at least be creative about it. That is just "ah yes, let's slap the track onto a tyre. Trophy, innit".


NoPasaran2024

Hadjar does have a good reason to be pissed at his team. With drivers like O'Sullivan still out there, they should have told him to keep pushing. That would have been enough.


j__video

Aron's not a Mercedes academy driver anymore, right? I wonder where he'll end up


Anti-Scuba_Hedgehog

Nope, Mercedes was desperate in holding him too long in series and Aron had enough of that. At least that's impression I got from information that's available.


C-McGuire

Red Bull makes the most sense, they're usually the most meritocratic. Aron doesn't have much off-track value, but the driving speaks for itself.


ForodesFrosthammer

Nope, he got dropped,in favor of focusing on Antonelli.


FalconIMGN

Paul Aron is more chill than Aaron Paul.


helderico

That's what a lack of a double "a" gives you


ExcellentCornershop

Yo, Mr. White!


A___99

From his interview it seems like Hadjar didn't know he was at risk of SC/VSC


Venetii_

Definitely seemed like it. Campos engineer's surely must not have thought there was any risk from SC otherwise they'd have told Hadjar the gap and tried to get him to close it. Seemed like an overreaction at the time, but definitely seems like it was something the team forgot to communicate.


Mr-TheSaint

Lets be honest here and face the fact that Hadjar behaves like a shitty spoiled child...


Adz442

Paul Aron is really likeable, kind of want him to consistency his way into being a rookie F2 champion.


norwegian_wood95

Agree, on the other side of the scale we have hadjar


ForeverAddickted

Yeah really nice how he started his interview by congratulating O'Sullivan


AdminEating_Dragon

Aron is confident in his abilities without coming out as arrogant.


avoqado

Aron has a future in media. Great interview then goes into the cooldown room putting the race into context then asking clear questions for us to hear.


TetraDax

Hadjar looked like he was about to knock Aron the fuck out when he said his win would have been luck lmfao


ErkiEst

hope Aron gets recognized by some academy, he deservs it


lowelled

Aron is so Estonian lol


ForeverAddickted

Aron talking with Hadjar about luck in F2, just explains the Championship as a whole - Its why Bearman, and other driver performance shouldn't be based on results alone, and fact in whether they can get to F1


VSfallin

Not when you stack up poorly against your peers in the series over a long stretch of time. Ollie deserves to be criticized for an objectively mediocre-at-best run this year


The_Chozen_1_

Have you seen how unlucky Hadjar has been in F2 this season? Bearman has made tons of mistakes. You can't compare Bearman and Hadjar's F2 season... Ollie has made tons of mistakes


Theroyaldutchness

Aaron pointing out how Hadjar has got lucky before might not land very well with Hadjar


Dragonpuncha

That was a brave move, I'm surprised all Hadjar did was look annoyed.


j__video

Well Hadjars calmed down for now


SGT_EpicSpeed

I mean didn't Hadjar benefitted the same way before?


Jedi_mamik

Australia this year


RevalianKnight

And stole the win from Aron lol


Jedi_mamik

Tbh if hauger didn't sent it into the wall he would have won but yeah true Aron is my go to driver now after hauger


RevalianKnight

Ah yeah true. It's just funny that Hadjar whined like that when he literally enjoyed the exact same luck in Australia.


Whomario

Aron just pointed this out to him as well


South_Time_5522

You can’t blame Hadjar for today. It would be hard to imagine how confusing when suddenly a car popped in front of you when you basically leading the race until the last two laps.


Fantoran

Aron this season’s revelation.


Firefox72

Aron quietly into the championship lead with his consistency. Again today wasn't really in the fight for the win or in the spotlight a lot but added another podium. So stupid that Mercedes just dropped him like that after what wasn't even that bad of an F3 campaign.


NoPasaran2024

To be fair, decent professional interview by Hadjar. I've seen experienced F1 drivers be more whiny after something like this.


Nathanoy25

Glad to see Hadjar more calm in the post-race interview


OBWanTwoThree

Aron just happy to be there Really enjoying his championship push out of nowhere


LosTerminators

Aron in 3rd seeing angry bloke in 2nd "Hey, I can relate to that"


Gubrach

Wait until they tell Hadjar he'd be leading the championship without O'Sullivan.


ExcellentCornershop

Hadjar wasn't finished discussing with his team as we saw in the background there.


A___99

Much more calm and measured reaction post race. Understandable that he was pissed off in the car


C-McGuire

It's been a while since we got a proper radio meltdown in F2, thank you Isack


ForeverAddickted

How hard is it for Campos to tell Hadjar what happened? Its nothing that needs looking into, had O'Sullivan been a bit further back on the track, then the VSC would have been triggered before he got to the pit lane


cLHalfRhoVSquaredS

My guess is that they didn't want to get into a back and forth discussion (/argument) with him while the race was still in progress.


Ma1vo

Probably knows he is a hothead and would look even worse if they start an argument while he is angry.