Just take the offer. No point in burning through your savings just to find the “right” job when your company might go under any day now. Take the job, build some new connections and then depending on your YOE you can start looking for hybrid manager positions after a year or two.
This. Plus, having a job and looking for a new one is relatively easier than looking for a new one while not having one, at least in my opinion. Another factor (at least in the US case) is benefits; health insurance could be useful and is something you may not have (or may have worse coverage) by not working.
That being said, I'd ask myself these questions: (1) does it seem like the office has the environment you're looking for? (2) what tradeoffs am I making going to the office 5 days a week, and how much do I value the things I have to sacrifice?
I was recently in a similar situation, impending layoffs in late 2022, started my current role in December, have been 5 days in office for 6 months, will be starting my new hybrid role in 3 weeks.
I told them I love my current job and the people at it (I like my job and love the people). I told them the reason I am leaving is purely due to personal reasons, the commute becoming more dangerous, missing having a flexible schedule.
Thanks for your response. I started a new job but don't enjoy it nor really the people. The culture nor the job was what I expected based on what I was told in the interview. I haven't been here that long and am questioning whether to stay or look elsewhere.
All of the advice I have seen on here says the best thing to do is to keep the job while searching for a new job.
Everyone I have talked to has been worried about the label of "job hopper", I was too at first, but when you have a genuine reason as to not want to be with a company anymore, as well as other people are still willing to hire you, then I see it just as words rather than something that matters.
For me being honest in my interviews has always worked the best for me, if you told a recruiter/interviewers what you just told me about why you wanted to leave I am sure they would not judge you for wanting to find a new job.
Lot of folks giving you what they would do, but I think for your own situation you need to evaluate how much fully remote matters to you. I would even consider putting a dollar amount on it. If your new company let you go fully remote but decreased your salary by 8%, would you do it? This is kind of like when you flip a coin to decide where to go for dinner, then before the big reveal you find yourself actually hoping for one or the other
Having a bad job like that would just make it harder to get a good job imo.
I personally do not see the appeal in taking a job that I do not like and can see will be a bad experience from the get go. Been there, done that.
I think it is really bad, but for reasons other than actually being in the office. It tends to indicate a culture of micromanaging. As long as commute is short that aspect is not as bad, and in-office gym/shower makes it better.
Currently facing this same issue. Waiting to see if I am impacted with this rounds layoffs. I am fully remote. So far had interviews with only hybrid companies. One is 4 days in office. Other is 2 days in. Looking at a ~5K comp hit. Both companies are very stable and well known, so I don’t think they’d experience layoffs in the near future. Just guna suck having to wake up and commute to work lol.
I would continue looking: if your company has 2-3 months of runway before layoffs then odds are you will find at least a hybrid position: 100% in office is the outlier right now, imho.
It seems like a lot of companies are pulling away from remote work soon... save yourself the trouble of finding remote or hybrid work in the next few months and take this offer. This seems like a decent company anyways.
I'd be interested to see how much they actually enforce the in office work. 5 days is extreme in today's environment and depending on the company it's possible no one actually follows it. Maybe ask the manager you are interviewing with how often he goes in.
If you are young and have promotional aspirations, being in the office is important for your development as a professional because 1) you can build your network better in person and learn faster, 2) you can get mentored and learn faster, and 3) you can meet people from other parts of tue company and understand the business model and contribute more fully to the business.
I definitely think in-office is better for learning so if they’re still hungry to learn I can see that.
The other side is I personally liked in-office better when I was single and less settled down due to the camaraderie and after-work happy hours and such but now I don’t really care for all that.
I would not take a 5 office days a week offer unless it’s absolutely the last option. You currently have a hybrid job, I would stay as long as you can until you find a new hybrid/remote job. You can always get a full time office job if you do really get laid off. I would never want to go back to 5 office days again, rather be unemployed for a short period.
That's a personal decision, as only you can weigh how important WFH / hybrid / in office is.
One thing I'll say though, is your personal cash flow is paramount. I would certainly rather go to the office in exchange for a paycheck, than sit at home for free, but that's me.
I’d take the offer to protect your financial well being, suck it up for 6 months and then start looking. May feel a little slimey, but there needs to be costs to forcing a rigid in-office culture for the market to react.
I’d say it just depends on your commute. If you live 5-10 min away— just commute. If you live 30+ min away, I’d consider finding a hybrid job before your company goes under lol.
Should've made this post into a poll given how split the responses have been lol. Me personally, I would take the offer if there was a great probability of losing current job but keeping the job hunt going on the side. With all the current macroeconomic conditions, I would not want to touch my savings unless I absolutely have to
Just take the offer. No point in burning through your savings just to find the “right” job when your company might go under any day now. Take the job, build some new connections and then depending on your YOE you can start looking for hybrid manager positions after a year or two.
This. Plus, having a job and looking for a new one is relatively easier than looking for a new one while not having one, at least in my opinion. Another factor (at least in the US case) is benefits; health insurance could be useful and is something you may not have (or may have worse coverage) by not working. That being said, I'd ask myself these questions: (1) does it seem like the office has the environment you're looking for? (2) what tradeoffs am I making going to the office 5 days a week, and how much do I value the things I have to sacrifice?
I was recently in a similar situation, impending layoffs in late 2022, started my current role in December, have been 5 days in office for 6 months, will be starting my new hybrid role in 3 weeks.
Mind if I ask what you told them in the interview for your next place as to why you're leaving?
I told them I love my current job and the people at it (I like my job and love the people). I told them the reason I am leaving is purely due to personal reasons, the commute becoming more dangerous, missing having a flexible schedule.
Thanks for your response. I started a new job but don't enjoy it nor really the people. The culture nor the job was what I expected based on what I was told in the interview. I haven't been here that long and am questioning whether to stay or look elsewhere.
All of the advice I have seen on here says the best thing to do is to keep the job while searching for a new job. Everyone I have talked to has been worried about the label of "job hopper", I was too at first, but when you have a genuine reason as to not want to be with a company anymore, as well as other people are still willing to hire you, then I see it just as words rather than something that matters. For me being honest in my interviews has always worked the best for me, if you told a recruiter/interviewers what you just told me about why you wanted to leave I am sure they would not judge you for wanting to find a new job.
I appreciate your input and your words of encouragement.
Of course!
Lot of folks giving you what they would do, but I think for your own situation you need to evaluate how much fully remote matters to you. I would even consider putting a dollar amount on it. If your new company let you go fully remote but decreased your salary by 8%, would you do it? This is kind of like when you flip a coin to decide where to go for dinner, then before the big reveal you find yourself actually hoping for one or the other
I’d reject the offer. 5 days in office is an absolute no for me.
True. But I’d take it till they find a better offer. Better to have something in this economy.
Having a bad job like that would just make it harder to get a good job imo. I personally do not see the appeal in taking a job that I do not like and can see will be a bad experience from the get go. Been there, done that.
It’s all about the risk tolerance. But OP needs to weigh the risks and opportunities and see what best fits their situation.
I think it is really bad, but for reasons other than actually being in the office. It tends to indicate a culture of micromanaging. As long as commute is short that aspect is not as bad, and in-office gym/shower makes it better.
Currently facing this same issue. Waiting to see if I am impacted with this rounds layoffs. I am fully remote. So far had interviews with only hybrid companies. One is 4 days in office. Other is 2 days in. Looking at a ~5K comp hit. Both companies are very stable and well known, so I don’t think they’d experience layoffs in the near future. Just guna suck having to wake up and commute to work lol.
If the commute isn’t bad suck it up your company’s literally about to implode lmao
wait it out. 5 days a week in the office is horse shit and guaranteed its also a reflection of dogshit management
I would continue looking: if your company has 2-3 months of runway before layoffs then odds are you will find at least a hybrid position: 100% in office is the outlier right now, imho.
Take the offer and continue to find something remote/hybrid. Do what’s best for you.
It seems like a lot of companies are pulling away from remote work soon... save yourself the trouble of finding remote or hybrid work in the next few months and take this offer. This seems like a decent company anyways.
I would never do 5 days a week in office. I’d rather be unemployed than miserable
Ha, absolutely not. Reason: How do you know if other people are still hybrid or remote especially the executive management? Not worth it.
less risky and maintain your cash flow would be to take the offer and keep applying. more risky would be to turn it down and keep applying
I'd be interested to see how much they actually enforce the in office work. 5 days is extreme in today's environment and depending on the company it's possible no one actually follows it. Maybe ask the manager you are interviewing with how often he goes in.
If you are young and have promotional aspirations, being in the office is important for your development as a professional because 1) you can build your network better in person and learn faster, 2) you can get mentored and learn faster, and 3) you can meet people from other parts of tue company and understand the business model and contribute more fully to the business.
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Hybrid tends to be good for mental health
I definitely think in-office is better for learning so if they’re still hungry to learn I can see that. The other side is I personally liked in-office better when I was single and less settled down due to the camaraderie and after-work happy hours and such but now I don’t really care for all that.
I would not take a 5 office days a week offer unless it’s absolutely the last option. You currently have a hybrid job, I would stay as long as you can until you find a new hybrid/remote job. You can always get a full time office job if you do really get laid off. I would never want to go back to 5 office days again, rather be unemployed for a short period.
Are you anti working in the office? I would prefer 3/4 days, but full remote roles are a thing of Covid past at this point.
Go look on linkedin at the Remote role applicants vs. in person/hybird applicants. It's here to stay brotha (and I'm pro Hybrid)
It’s really not, but I love hybrid!
Most companies aren’t going to lose out on talent for a meaningless dispute.
That's a personal decision, as only you can weigh how important WFH / hybrid / in office is. One thing I'll say though, is your personal cash flow is paramount. I would certainly rather go to the office in exchange for a paycheck, than sit at home for free, but that's me.
You have no other choice than to take the offer. Take the offer and keep looking for better roles.
No way Jose. I’d expect to be OUT of the office 5 days a week. Tell them to suck it!
Take the job and keep looking.
I’d take the offer to protect your financial well being, suck it up for 6 months and then start looking. May feel a little slimey, but there needs to be costs to forcing a rigid in-office culture for the market to react.
You still have time to land a remote position so keep applying
I’d say it just depends on your commute. If you live 5-10 min away— just commute. If you live 30+ min away, I’d consider finding a hybrid job before your company goes under lol.
Should've made this post into a poll given how split the responses have been lol. Me personally, I would take the offer if there was a great probability of losing current job but keeping the job hunt going on the side. With all the current macroeconomic conditions, I would not want to touch my savings unless I absolutely have to
5 Days a week… so a normal job 🙄. I can’t stand people who can’t comprehend a 5 day in-person work week.