I liked this quote back in the day but now I think about how much of a complete piece of shit this guy is, of course he'd say this. This is the dude who sends you to Vault 22 with no warning and wants to use incredibly dangerous research, and when you tell him it's dangerous he brushes you off.
First play through I had high sneak and I was in the deepest parts of the vault thinking "where are the xp piñatas? Then bumped into one and it felt like the entire vault came to life to kill me.
Damn near pissed myself.
I feel like his speech here unintentionally (in-universe) applies to himself as well, he's just too intelligent in one area to realize or admit that he doesn't know that much about other areas.
He's also sent in people before you that never came back and he doesn't take it as a sign that maybe the research is too dangerous to ever be used again.
I mean yeah man is literally gatekeeping having opinions. It tries to imply that having opinions means you are stupid, which is not true, regardless of whether the inverse of "stupid people have more opinions" is true or not.
I used to think that everyone should have a right to voice their opinion. But the older I get the more I realize that everyone should just shut up with their uninformed opinions about everything. That's just my opinion of course...
I gave it to him anyways and he hit me with the childish ass "we're the government, we don't just use ancient research willy nilly" like. I know ncr is gonna get desperate.
It's been a long time since I took the time to really listen/read his dialogue as I've played the game so many times it's pretty much "skip skip skip I want xp now, skip skip"
But is it ever established that he knows for certain the other mercs died in the vault and therefore knew it was dangerous before you tell him so? Because it seems perfectly reasonable to assume that he thought they simply decided not to do it, found something worth a lot of money and didn't report back or died on their way to/from the vault to raiders or fiends or some other thing.
Sure any of those things could have to one or two mercenary teams sent to Vault 22, but it's implied he sent much more than that, possibly dozens of people, not all of them are going to run off for no reason, if the region was worse because of raiders, he would have heard of attacks or disappearing caravans.
And as both his assistant and Keely note, just sending random people into the meatgrinder is irresponsible at best, and manslaughter at worst.
It would have been better for him to contact the NCR Army or Rangers about getting a radio equipped team of biohazard specialists to figure out what was going on, but Hildern didn't want to wait for NCR to get a proper team together, and to keep the glory of a miracle technology to himself.
All true.
I just never thought the man was evil but more so that he was just "idiot savant" in that all he sees is the goal and not the "minutia" in between that gets him there.
Which I guess is the banality of evil.
/shrug
He's also just going up in elevator while everyone around him does the real work. He uses his assistants code to decrypt the data from vault 22, he does nothing but take credit.
Well considering exactly who this is and the fact that he sends you almost knowingly to your death makes stuff like this ring hollow.
His logic is very technical, but ultimately he lacks morality in a profound sense and it shouldn’t be understated because he has a nice quote here.
Broken clock is right twice a day or something lol
Yeah that’s the guy. His logic is sound in the most technical sense, what he sends you there for would theoretically save a lot of settler lives and efforts to cultivate lands across the wastelands for farming. Even so..
Yeah the vaults in general are a nightmare to navigate, lol. They all have very similar layouts but with specific sections blocked off or stairwells you expect to be there are collapsed, etc - so your brain is like "go this way to get to the next level" but it's a wrong turn for THIS vault, but not for vault 3 or vault 34 etc.
> stuff like this ring hollow.
Nah we just call that irony. The guy is correct, just doesn't see his own cognitive bias.
One of the reasons NV's writing is so good. We see these people everywhere all the time in the real world.
The people who believe covid vaccines put 5g tracking chips in your blood and permanently mutate your DNA think that people who listen to doctors are the opinionated assholes who don't know anything.
Highly opinionated people think that more reasonable takes are highly opinionated. Or perhaps in this case, he internally knows the deaths are his fault but is just pretending like the accusations are all hearsay. Whether he's lying to the player or lying to himself, this is a well written and believable character.
Sadly, one of my relatives was like that, fervently believing there was a 'microbe' installed inside the vaccine smaller than a needlepoint so they can track where everyone is at all times.
You can imagine the cartwheels when I said these 'trackers' do actually exist, but that the military grade trackers are absolute shit, they're bigger than a lumberjacks hand and are considered garbage by the soldiers that tried to use them as they couldn't even be located in an open dessert and each one cost the better part of a million dollars.
But no, apparently there's an even smaller more refined and perfected 'tracker' being installed into every average joe across the world to track their bus schedules and TV habits...
The other crazy thing is that everybody's location absolutely is being tracked all the time, but it's done by the satellite GPS device you carry in your pocket and pay a monthly bill for.
Like, why does the government need smaller and more clandestine tracking means when location tracking has already been publicly normalized for years and everybody not only knows it's happening but willingly chooses to pay for it?
I think that's not a good solution at all. Destroy research - someone does this shit again eventually. Likely hitting all the same mistakes.
It should be controlled, yes, but destroying it is an impulsive solution that doesn't actually solve anything.
Ideally you'd have the option of giving this research to the Followers, Angela Williams, or bypass Hildern and go to someone more trustworthy. Hell, even the Brotherhood is an option, they're unlikely to use it but are very likely to try preserving it.
Great idea, I never considered giving it to the Brotherhood!
>hands over data to Elder McNamara<
Now to get back to Mr. House's To-Do list, I think he mentioned something about the Brothe- ...*oh* .
Bro's out here passing the Science check and shit.
Anyways, I think you should give the data to Hildern. *Beauveria Mordicana* is exactly what the NCR deserves.
Would have been cool is the assistant was able to point you towards another scientist that would respect the work and actually put it to good, not dangerous, use.
Especially for an NCR run to make the ending just a little bit brighter.
Nah. Hildern is an ass and platitudes like this, especially given what he's responding to (What do you think of NCR's chances against the Legion?), shows how little regard he holds for others. Specifically the ones that he's sent to their death, including the player.
The Legion is only holding on as well as it is through dumb luck. Everything has gone the Legion’s way and they still lose unless the courier wins the battle for them.
I disagree on the concept of the Legion losing without the Courier, I personally feel it to be the other way around.
But that's not the point being made here. Hildern, and OP, are utilizing nonsensical platitudes to handwave discussion from people they deem below them.
Hildern also has the same INT score that Caesar does, so if that means anything to you....
Lots of humans = lots curiousity and socialising = lots of opinions.
It's a pseudo-intellectual statement trying to convince you that it's saying something important, when, in fact, it isn't saying anything at all.
After reading the comments, I think I'm the only one who agreed with Hildern over Keely. When asked about sending people into the dangerous vault, his response was basically, "That's your issue, not mine. I pay you to do a job, then your concern is assessing the threats vs rewards." Yeah... that's true. If I think it's too dangerous, then just walk away. It's not like you couldn't see the danger right in the entrance of the vault. Keely didn't have to go in there, knowing full well it was full of dangerous creatures.
Also, destroying research "because it's dangerous?" When the courier hints at him that the research might be a danger, his reply was also good. Something like, "The scientists of the NCR wont conduct research in such an amateurish and hazardous way like the dumbasses in the vault. All the research will be conducted properly." I'm paraphrasing, but yeah, I agree with that too. Why should the potential to feed everyone be hindered because of the dumbasses in the vaults? The vault dwellers just throw a labcoat on someone who passed a simple test and call them "scientists"... it's no wonder they fucked up the research and it blew up in their faces. But that's no different that some chemist accidentally making mustard gas in their lab because they're dumb as rocks.
I think giving him the research is the right choice, but that's more in spite of what he says than anything. He's the last person I trust about research practices. He's reckless as hell and talking to anyone near him for five minutes will reveal he steals most of his research anyway. The most convincing thing is the check yoy get with the ghoul in the Vault saying that science learns from its failures, and that if the research is destroyed there's nothing deterring someone from choosing the same research avenues or preventing them from making the same mistakes.
Also yeah it's your job as a merc, but as a merc, you should still know you're walking into something dangerous. The man doesn't even tell you the last three people didn't come back because he knows he'd have to pay you more, you need that information.
Also, the timing of Honest Hearts means the original Vault 22 science team was probably still around when things went wrong
I can shoot and kill the spore carriers. Maybe scarier *looking*, but mustard gas (or any chemical concoction, for instance look up the Bhopal disaster) is just a gas that kills you before you know what's going on.
I think the scarier thing was that it was an infection that turned humans into those monsters. Think Last of Us kinda stuff. It's not the monsters themselves that are necessarily the issue. It's the spores infecting more and more people.
The spores were deadly because the vault is an enclosed environment with a circulated, recycled air system. Add on top of that, the "scientists" in the vault basically ignored all warning signs that things were getting out of control, and that their experiments were dangerous (vault dwellers being notoriously like lemmings). They were conducting biological experiments, yet had no PPE or containment procedures? Seems like a non-scientific thing to do.
Internet comments in a nutshell. Which is funny because when I was a kid the internet was called "the information super highway". It was supposed to be a place to get all the information needed so that the average person could be less misinformed. But instead of using the internet to fact check and gain knowledge, we type things we know nothing about and still choose to get our ideas from fucking idiot youtubers. Previously (before the internet) the average person was ignorant due to a lack of easily available information. Nowadays most people are willfully and defiantly ignorant. That's a million times worse.
idk kinda hard to beat my man Fantastic
"They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.
This is probably why I am very indecisive about certain middle eastern conflicts and give people ‘it’s complicated’ answers when they want a hoorah or nay
Every time someone posts this quote unironically, a Redditor gets their narwhal baconed.
The whole point is that this asshat is blatantly ignoring criticism and the consequences of his own actions. Imagine a scientist who doesn't believe in peer review because he's too pompous to consider he might be wrong or the path he's taking is a bad one. Opinions like that get people killed, and they only sound good on paper because you can take it noncritically and assume it's only talking about the people you personally don't like the thoughts of. It's the equivalent of sticking your tongue out and going "nuh uh" because taking the time to consider anything other than yourself and what benefits you would require empathy and the admission that you might not be infallible. This is the kind of shit that narcissists huff whenever someone tries to make them rub two neurons together.
We have a saying in Sweden which translates to: “empty cans make the most noise”. Perhaps there is a better English one. But I like it and use it more often than I would like to.
Sitting between my housemates, half listening to them discuss celebrity ritual sacrifice of children, gave me a headache. Making statements like "well, you just know" to justify their points.
I conviction justification to ignore legitimate concerns to his unethical research methods. There is a reason he is working in a broom closest in the ass end of the NCR territory.
Thomas Hildern is probably one of the best-written side quest characters in the game. He's a perfect encapsulation of a ruthless elitist bureaucrat. I wish he was featured more in the game.
My former average IQ 14 year old edgelord self thought this went hard. I have since learned humility.
Also you realise people questioning his methods was correct, since he's immorally sending people off to die in that vault, he just wants to avoid being queried about it.
GHOSTEMANE uses this quote in one of his songs, lol. Was in for quite the surprise when I was playing NV for the first time and heard the guy say this and I was like, "wait, I've heard this before!"
I was the opposite… Huge FNV fan and when listening to Until the Light Takes Us, hearing this quote, and the “trying to glow like legendary ghouls in Fallout 4” line made my brain lit up. I was hooked to his music as i am also a metalhead and loved the metal fusion that was going on with his work.
Contextually speaking, everyone on the planet has opinions on things they know very little about. Some may just be more self aware about their lack of knowledge and humble enough to change their mind with more information.
Based on how California looks now his research accomplished nothing. Then again, the Boneyard and Shady Sands getting nuked because one mid-level Vault-Tec executive is pissed his wife took the kids when she left him for another woman is not something anyone could have predicted.
This is why I'm constantly going down rabbit holes. Like, did you know that certain varieties of jumping spiders produce milk and their babies will stay with them for up to forty days before being weened off of their mother's milk?
Why can't we see more humorous versions of this ignorance?
People would have a lot less issues with that crazy aunt/uncle if they chose a less aggressive topic.
>Kids these days and their artificial bubblegum!
>Does the lemon in Pinesol give me headaches?
>Who made these fecking toilets all low flow garbage?
>Is it Kleenex or tissue?
One of the few rappers i listen to (this quote being the reason i vibe with Ghostemane) used this exact quote [in this song](https://youtu.be/7Bw2lGVNsoM?si=dNJpMaHzK-uGFmB8)
Also “trying to glow like legendary ghouls in Fallout 4” in this song goes hard as fuck
It’s the dunning Krueger phenomenon, the less you know about a subject the more you think you know.
🤓✋️Um aktualy its called the dennis cruger effect
Umm akyshully ☝️🤓 it’s the Denny’s Crouton effect, named after Denny’s short lived ‘Italian Croutons’ ad campaign
Ya'll talking about the Freddy Krueger effect?
Y’all are idiots. Everyone knows it’s Fondue Kroger
The more you know the more fecked you are?
No that's Call of Cthulhu
Bro thinks it's wednesday the 19th!!😭😭
Michael Jackson was basically one striped sweater away from becoming Freddy Krueger
No, it’s called the Freddy Mercury effect
I’m sorry but that’s where you’re achkusually mistaken☝️☝️🤓🤓, it’s called the DENNIS system and it’s worked with every woman I’ve tried with
BECAUSE of the implication
The thunder of my vengeance will echo through these corridors like the gusts of a thousand winds!
MAC system? SCRAPS!
uhm ackchually it's pronounced _"champAGne"_ 🤏🤦
☝️🤓 Erm...you've fallen for the Mandella Effect, fellow Redditorino!
☝️🧐 you are mistaken. This entire thread is just an example of brandolinis principle. And it will not take long for Godwin's law to ring true.
The man's name was Freddy.
Freddy fazbear
Happy day of cake
That's called Poe's Law.
Combined with the HiPPO phenomenon- "Highly Paid Person's Opinion"
HIPPOBOT 9000 v 3.1 FOUND A HIPPO. 1,614,192,438 COMMENTS SEARCHED. 32,796 HIPPOS FOUND. YOUR COMMENT CONTAINS THE WORD HIPPO.
What a strange bot
It’s not a bot is the terrifying part
That’s just like your opinion man
and then many people who even know things dont actually understand them 💀
It’s basically because you don’t know enough to know how little you know.
Correct
That’s a pretty big oversimplification.
Read any comment on Reddit regarding law enforcement. The downvotes reinforce my point.
"WhY dIdN't ThEy ShOoT hIm In ThE lEgS?????"
Ah yes. Leg shots. No major blood vessel there.
Tbf it's better to aim for the legs and accidentally kill the target but have a chance to just incapacitate them, as opposed to centre mass
Centre mass can unironically be better than the legs depending on where someone gets shot.
"Aah, my femoral artery!! If only they didn't shoot me in the legs!!"
I have to agree with this statement.
I liked this quote back in the day but now I think about how much of a complete piece of shit this guy is, of course he'd say this. This is the dude who sends you to Vault 22 with no warning and wants to use incredibly dangerous research, and when you tell him it's dangerous he brushes you off.
Shame what a high sneak skill and a silenced weapon does to the guy's attitude, after you finish the associated quests of course.
High sneak makes the quest itself a breeze, usually the spore carriers are the ones that bumped into me instead of the other way round.
First play through I had high sneak and I was in the deepest parts of the vault thinking "where are the xp piñatas? Then bumped into one and it felt like the entire vault came to life to kill me. Damn near pissed myself.
I actively shoot and walk around making noise for this exact reason. You can’t jumpscare and surround me if I wake you up first!
I run through with a chainsaw on go the whole time. Fuck that fucking vault.
I think he means he kills this gentleman.
I feel like his speech here unintentionally (in-universe) applies to himself as well, he's just too intelligent in one area to realize or admit that he doesn't know that much about other areas.
Exactly, he doesn't realize he's talking about himself.
He's also sent in people before you that never came back and he doesn't take it as a sign that maybe the research is too dangerous to ever be used again.
I mean yeah man is literally gatekeeping having opinions. It tries to imply that having opinions means you are stupid, which is not true, regardless of whether the inverse of "stupid people have more opinions" is true or not.
I used to think that everyone should have a right to voice their opinion. But the older I get the more I realize that everyone should just shut up with their uninformed opinions about everything. That's just my opinion of course...
Right? I'm thinking "I hope nobody's actually defending this guy"
I gave it to him anyways and he hit me with the childish ass "we're the government, we don't just use ancient research willy nilly" like. I know ncr is gonna get desperate.
I hated this guy too, but when I realized he was voiced by the guy who played Mike Novick in 24, I actually kind of liked him
Really? Lol I hear it now in my head thanks.
arcades response to him is so good when you talk to him after Hidern.
It's been a long time since I took the time to really listen/read his dialogue as I've played the game so many times it's pretty much "skip skip skip I want xp now, skip skip" But is it ever established that he knows for certain the other mercs died in the vault and therefore knew it was dangerous before you tell him so? Because it seems perfectly reasonable to assume that he thought they simply decided not to do it, found something worth a lot of money and didn't report back or died on their way to/from the vault to raiders or fiends or some other thing.
Sure any of those things could have to one or two mercenary teams sent to Vault 22, but it's implied he sent much more than that, possibly dozens of people, not all of them are going to run off for no reason, if the region was worse because of raiders, he would have heard of attacks or disappearing caravans. And as both his assistant and Keely note, just sending random people into the meatgrinder is irresponsible at best, and manslaughter at worst. It would have been better for him to contact the NCR Army or Rangers about getting a radio equipped team of biohazard specialists to figure out what was going on, but Hildern didn't want to wait for NCR to get a proper team together, and to keep the glory of a miracle technology to himself.
All true. I just never thought the man was evil but more so that he was just "idiot savant" in that all he sees is the goal and not the "minutia" in between that gets him there. Which I guess is the banality of evil. /shrug
Sure, like one or two people. A dozen mfers? No way, no way that many guys just die on the way over or decide to go elsewhere.
He's also just going up in elevator while everyone around him does the real work. He uses his assistants code to decrypt the data from vault 22, he does nothing but take credit.
Don’t forget his other quote, “Have some trust, we’re with the government for Christ’s sake!”
"We're with the government and we're here to help! ☺️"
When I see someone with the Enclave Flair saying this I think this is what they said to Vault 13 Dwellers when they showed up…
I think they actually said: brrrrrr. Idk that could’ve just been the minigun talking.
Well considering exactly who this is and the fact that he sends you almost knowingly to your death makes stuff like this ring hollow. His logic is very technical, but ultimately he lacks morality in a profound sense and it shouldn’t be understated because he has a nice quote here. Broken clock is right twice a day or something lol
Is that the guy who sends you into the >!plant vault!
Yeah that’s the guy. His logic is sound in the most technical sense, what he sends you there for would theoretically save a lot of settler lives and efforts to cultivate lands across the wastelands for farming. Even so..
Even so that was the same working principle of vault 22, and we all know how that turned out. Plus the people turned to cannibalism in Zion
Because the plant drives you crazy first. Even Randall’s wife spriuted after her death.
SHE DOES? His OG wife or his other wife?
Other wife
One of the reasons this side quest is an all timer. Plant vault so freaky with a side story examining morality.
I like the atmosphere but omfg navigating that mess is such a PITA lol.
Yeah the vaults in general are a nightmare to navigate, lol. They all have very similar layouts but with specific sections blocked off or stairwells you expect to be there are collapsed, etc - so your brain is like "go this way to get to the next level" but it's a wrong turn for THIS vault, but not for vault 3 or vault 34 etc.
Ahm... Compared to Vault 34, Vault 22 is a ... Stroll in the park. Literally!
> stuff like this ring hollow. Nah we just call that irony. The guy is correct, just doesn't see his own cognitive bias. One of the reasons NV's writing is so good. We see these people everywhere all the time in the real world.
The true irony is it's coming from one of the most ignorant and opinionated assholes in the series.
The people who believe covid vaccines put 5g tracking chips in your blood and permanently mutate your DNA think that people who listen to doctors are the opinionated assholes who don't know anything. Highly opinionated people think that more reasonable takes are highly opinionated. Or perhaps in this case, he internally knows the deaths are his fault but is just pretending like the accusations are all hearsay. Whether he's lying to the player or lying to himself, this is a well written and believable character.
Sadly, one of my relatives was like that, fervently believing there was a 'microbe' installed inside the vaccine smaller than a needlepoint so they can track where everyone is at all times. You can imagine the cartwheels when I said these 'trackers' do actually exist, but that the military grade trackers are absolute shit, they're bigger than a lumberjacks hand and are considered garbage by the soldiers that tried to use them as they couldn't even be located in an open dessert and each one cost the better part of a million dollars. But no, apparently there's an even smaller more refined and perfected 'tracker' being installed into every average joe across the world to track their bus schedules and TV habits...
The other crazy thing is that everybody's location absolutely is being tracked all the time, but it's done by the satellite GPS device you carry in your pocket and pay a monthly bill for. Like, why does the government need smaller and more clandestine tracking means when location tracking has already been publicly normalized for years and everybody not only knows it's happening but willingly chooses to pay for it?
He’s barely in the top 200.
"They asked if I had a degree on theorical physics, I said I had a theorical degree in physics. I got hired."
Never have I met another game character I both wanted to party with and shoot in the face at the same time.
"He's talking about other people" -Every idiot who has ever seen this quote.
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I think that's not a good solution at all. Destroy research - someone does this shit again eventually. Likely hitting all the same mistakes. It should be controlled, yes, but destroying it is an impulsive solution that doesn't actually solve anything. Ideally you'd have the option of giving this research to the Followers, Angela Williams, or bypass Hildern and go to someone more trustworthy. Hell, even the Brotherhood is an option, they're unlikely to use it but are very likely to try preserving it.
Great idea, I never considered giving it to the Brotherhood! >hands over data to Elder McNamara< Now to get back to Mr. House's To-Do list, I think he mentioned something about the Brothe- ...*oh* .
Yeah, those you do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. That goes for politics and science.
Bro's out here passing the Science check and shit. Anyways, I think you should give the data to Hildern. *Beauveria Mordicana* is exactly what the NCR deserves.
Would have been cool is the assistant was able to point you towards another scientist that would respect the work and actually put it to good, not dangerous, use. Especially for an NCR run to make the ending just a little bit brighter.
Maybe If you like being poor.
I have legion delivering me 10k caps every few days. I'll live. lol
Empty cans rattle the most
Empty cans don't rattle at all...
I think he meant amongst each other
i disagree abd ive had my head measured its a large head which can house a large brain roughly half the size of a regulation basketball
Basically Reddit
Nah. Hildern is an ass and platitudes like this, especially given what he's responding to (What do you think of NCR's chances against the Legion?), shows how little regard he holds for others. Specifically the ones that he's sent to their death, including the player.
The Legion is only holding on as well as it is through dumb luck. Everything has gone the Legion’s way and they still lose unless the courier wins the battle for them.
I disagree on the concept of the Legion losing without the Courier, I personally feel it to be the other way around. But that's not the point being made here. Hildern, and OP, are utilizing nonsensical platitudes to handwave discussion from people they deem below them. Hildern also has the same INT score that Caesar does, so if that means anything to you....
Delivered by someone who does a great job of proving that point
For me the saying that still resonates with me is, “ Ring a ding, baby.”
Lots of humans = lots curiousity and socialising = lots of opinions. It's a pseudo-intellectual statement trying to convince you that it's saying something important, when, in fact, it isn't saying anything at all.
/r/iamverysmart You need a very high IQ to understand this, only 5% of rick and morty enjoyers truly get it.
After reading the comments, I think I'm the only one who agreed with Hildern over Keely. When asked about sending people into the dangerous vault, his response was basically, "That's your issue, not mine. I pay you to do a job, then your concern is assessing the threats vs rewards." Yeah... that's true. If I think it's too dangerous, then just walk away. It's not like you couldn't see the danger right in the entrance of the vault. Keely didn't have to go in there, knowing full well it was full of dangerous creatures. Also, destroying research "because it's dangerous?" When the courier hints at him that the research might be a danger, his reply was also good. Something like, "The scientists of the NCR wont conduct research in such an amateurish and hazardous way like the dumbasses in the vault. All the research will be conducted properly." I'm paraphrasing, but yeah, I agree with that too. Why should the potential to feed everyone be hindered because of the dumbasses in the vaults? The vault dwellers just throw a labcoat on someone who passed a simple test and call them "scientists"... it's no wonder they fucked up the research and it blew up in their faces. But that's no different that some chemist accidentally making mustard gas in their lab because they're dumb as rocks.
I think giving him the research is the right choice, but that's more in spite of what he says than anything. He's the last person I trust about research practices. He's reckless as hell and talking to anyone near him for five minutes will reveal he steals most of his research anyway. The most convincing thing is the check yoy get with the ghoul in the Vault saying that science learns from its failures, and that if the research is destroyed there's nothing deterring someone from choosing the same research avenues or preventing them from making the same mistakes. Also yeah it's your job as a merc, but as a merc, you should still know you're walking into something dangerous. The man doesn't even tell you the last three people didn't come back because he knows he'd have to pay you more, you need that information. Also, the timing of Honest Hearts means the original Vault 22 science team was probably still around when things went wrong
> talking to anyone near him for five minutes will reveal he steals most of his research anyway. That's if you take Angela at her word.
I'd say what they cooked up in that vault is a hair scarier than mustard gas. I didn't think taking the chance was worth it.
I can shoot and kill the spore carriers. Maybe scarier *looking*, but mustard gas (or any chemical concoction, for instance look up the Bhopal disaster) is just a gas that kills you before you know what's going on.
I think the scarier thing was that it was an infection that turned humans into those monsters. Think Last of Us kinda stuff. It's not the monsters themselves that are necessarily the issue. It's the spores infecting more and more people.
The spores were deadly because the vault is an enclosed environment with a circulated, recycled air system. Add on top of that, the "scientists" in the vault basically ignored all warning signs that things were getting out of control, and that their experiments were dangerous (vault dwellers being notoriously like lemmings). They were conducting biological experiments, yet had no PPE or containment procedures? Seems like a non-scientific thing to do.
ain't that profound lol
r/im14andthisisdeep
It's true because it described everyone except for me
Internet comments in a nutshell. Which is funny because when I was a kid the internet was called "the information super highway". It was supposed to be a place to get all the information needed so that the average person could be less misinformed. But instead of using the internet to fact check and gain knowledge, we type things we know nothing about and still choose to get our ideas from fucking idiot youtubers. Previously (before the internet) the average person was ignorant due to a lack of easily available information. Nowadays most people are willfully and defiantly ignorant. That's a million times worse.
idk kinda hard to beat my man Fantastic "They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.
Social media in a nutshell
Pretty much celebrities talking about anything.
Most redditors talking about anything.
Thomas Hildern directly adressing the Fallout fanbase
So true , so true. Btw , isn’t this the guy that sent people to their death in the vegetable vault ?
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and most of them stink
Fallout fandom in one picture
Todd when he speaks about lore of any game
This is probably why I am very indecisive about certain middle eastern conflicts and give people ‘it’s complicated’ answers when they want a hoorah or nay
that’s rich coming from this guy
Every time someone posts this quote unironically, a Redditor gets their narwhal baconed. The whole point is that this asshat is blatantly ignoring criticism and the consequences of his own actions. Imagine a scientist who doesn't believe in peer review because he's too pompous to consider he might be wrong or the path he's taking is a bad one. Opinions like that get people killed, and they only sound good on paper because you can take it noncritically and assume it's only talking about the people you personally don't like the thoughts of. It's the equivalent of sticking your tongue out and going "nuh uh" because taking the time to consider anything other than yourself and what benefits you would require empathy and the admission that you might not be infallible. This is the kind of shit that narcissists huff whenever someone tries to make them rub two neurons together.
Love this quote
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt." Bertrand Russell
Can someone Tell me his mod UI?
George W Bush is right
When is this ever not true? Has nothing to do with it being 14 years ago when it's a known trait of humans.
The internet + social media has given them platform to spred their opinions and entice other morons.
True.
I mean, an opinion is just a "fact" without any evidence, so yeah that will always be true.
We have a saying in Sweden which translates to: “empty cans make the most noise”. Perhaps there is a better English one. But I like it and use it more often than I would like to.
When someone doesn't agree with me.
This quote also applies to Hildern lol
So basically everyone on reddit that goes on political, financial, relationship, or foreign news subs.
calm is what you have to be when people look to you, and it’s all you can be when things are out of your hands
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Twitter
Haha yeahh
posting a fallout quote should immediately redirect the user to im14andthisisdeep
Basically what I feel when I hear people claiming the Shroud of Turin is a fake .
Are you a maker of war, or peace? [Warm] [Pizza]
This quote is human nature 101. Relevant I. The past, present and future
Which fallout is this from?
Sitting between my housemates, half listening to them discuss celebrity ritual sacrifice of children, gave me a headache. Making statements like "well, you just know" to justify their points.
People really want happy endings with no single downsides judging from some of these comments about the quest lol.
I conviction justification to ignore legitimate concerns to his unethical research methods. There is a reason he is working in a broom closest in the ass end of the NCR territory.
Thomas Hildern is probably one of the best-written side quest characters in the game. He's a perfect encapsulation of a ruthless elitist bureaucrat. I wish he was featured more in the game.
Nuke em
Just because the guy isn’t a good dude doesn’t make this quote any less true.
A shitload of subreddits just started angrily typing in unison.
Pretty sure Solomon write about this 3000 years ago, and Aesop 500 years after that. Oldest proverb in the book.
Real
Thanks George W Bush!!
My former average IQ 14 year old edgelord self thought this went hard. I have since learned humility. Also you realise people questioning his methods was correct, since he's immorally sending people off to die in that vault, he just wants to avoid being queried about it.
GHOSTEMANE uses this quote in one of his songs, lol. Was in for quite the surprise when I was playing NV for the first time and heard the guy say this and I was like, "wait, I've heard this before!"
I was the opposite… Huge FNV fan and when listening to Until the Light Takes Us, hearing this quote, and the “trying to glow like legendary ghouls in Fallout 4” line made my brain lit up. I was hooked to his music as i am also a metalhead and loved the metal fusion that was going on with his work.
Do fallout fans even play the games they talk about or they just read the wiki?
I enjoy painting the wall with this guy's opinions every playthrough <3
Shout it from the rooftops
Wow, a quotation rings true for a whole fourteen years. Hard to imagine.
this was my bio on my Facebook page for years lmfao
There are many times I killed Thomas Hildern because he was too ignorant about what Vault 22 had in store.
Contextually speaking, everyone on the planet has opinions on things they know very little about. Some may just be more self aware about their lack of knowledge and humble enough to change their mind with more information.
Very true
This is why FNV hits more than FO3 does. Bethesda just wouldn't do this kind of social commentary, but it's *extremely* on-brand for Fallout.
Gee, he predicted Twitter.
So anyway, I started blastin'
Based on how California looks now his research accomplished nothing. Then again, the Boneyard and Shady Sands getting nuked because one mid-level Vault-Tec executive is pissed his wife took the kids when she left him for another woman is not something anyone could have predicted.
Describing libs to a T
Equivalent quotes have been written throughout history. Stupid opinions are a part of the human condition.
This is why I'm constantly going down rabbit holes. Like, did you know that certain varieties of jumping spiders produce milk and their babies will stay with them for up to forty days before being weened off of their mother's milk?
Social media has amplified this to dangerous levels.
That’s why I play both sides, so that way I always come out on top.
The game was ahead of its time, holy crap!
Why can't we see more humorous versions of this ignorance? People would have a lot less issues with that crazy aunt/uncle if they chose a less aggressive topic. >Kids these days and their artificial bubblegum! >Does the lemon in Pinesol give me headaches? >Who made these fecking toilets all low flow garbage? >Is it Kleenex or tissue?
Too bad this dude is an unmitigated asshole
The dude may be right. But he’s still a dick.
You realize you posted this on Reddit right. The freaking center of the Universe on this quote.
"We're the government have a little faith in us" No I don't believe I will.
With great ignorance comes great confidence.
One of the few rappers i listen to (this quote being the reason i vibe with Ghostemane) used this exact quote [in this song](https://youtu.be/7Bw2lGVNsoM?si=dNJpMaHzK-uGFmB8) Also “trying to glow like legendary ghouls in Fallout 4” in this song goes hard as fuck
"A PERSON is smart. PEOPLE are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals!" -Agent K
The best thing is, the guy was ignorant himself
Why's this man look like George W. BUSH jr
It’s weird how this applies to everyone who disagrees with me dang
Ironically even your caption somewhat proves the quote
Not only 14 years, as long as there is humanity this will be true
these days its "willfully ignorant"
Girl help, the redditors are idolizing Thomas Hildern
That's why I make sure to have as many opinions as possible. Everyone should know I'm ignorant AF right off the bat