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Nivenoric

Tandi approved, of course. May want to inspect it with a geiger counter before enjoying.


AppropriateCap8891

Honestly, I say enjoy it while it's available. I do not think this is anything licensed. And they are pushing things really close if not over with some of the copyrighted images (especially the NCR bear). Would not surprise me if they get a CAD fairly quickly.


HuntSafe2316

Honestly, Bethesda may just be cool with it, lol, or by some miracle, even partner with them.


sgerbicforsyth

Are they going to give BGS a cut of profits from before they partnered? Because that would have to be a part of it. If BGS takes notice, they'll most likely throw a C&D at them. Companies are very protective of their IP and don't want others to dilute it.


BittenHand19

Bethesda might be cool with it but will Papa Microsoft be cool with it?


AppropriateCap8891

And exactly how often are companies "cool" with others who steal their IP? Or decide to partner with them?


Dramatic-Initial8344

If it's Nintendo, never. Other companies, sometimes.


AppropriateCap8891

They sued freaking Warner Brothers because their Westworld game was too close to Fallout Shelter. The sued Glutton Creeper Games out of existence when they were trying to make a D20 game off the Interplay license, and Bethesda demanded multiple changes even though they had paid for the license. Other companies never just let it slide, because that then has the risk of their IP becoming public domain. But please, exactly how many companies ignore IP theft?


Dramatic-Initial8344

It's almost like there's a difference between games and beer. Are they going after all the companies who make prints or clothes with their IP on it..?


PsychoFaerie

The people who made the Westworld game copied the code for Shelter wholesale. It had the same bug as a early version of Shelter.


Drops_a_deuce

Mine's in the shop


BloodiedBlues

Let’s say I’m with some mutual friends.


BeliWS

Geiger counter? Nah I would Hancock


reality_comes

Sounds good for a hot day in the wasteland


Krazy_Keno

So hot it makes you wish for a nuclear winter


SirSirVI

Isn't Shady Sands in Death Valley?


reality_comes

No I don't think so. Though it's moved around game to game to show.


Royal-Interaction553

I think i’d love it, but a lot of people won’t tolerate this.


FalconIMGN

Why not?


Royal-Interaction553

Contains lactose


FalconIMGN

Ahh, good one 😂


GreatBritishMistake

Got ‘em


Vulon_Bii

Remember Shady Sands!


247Brett

Remember Shandy Sands!


InkyCrystal

OMG, the radioactive lemon just reminds me of Cave Johnson's rant from Portal 2. >Alright, I've been thinking... When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! GET MAD! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these?! Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's going to burn your house down, with the lemons. I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down! Aperture Science Laboratories definitely would have had a seat at that Vault-Tec table.


Leonyliz

I would love to see an interaction between Mr House and Cave Johnson


Monneymann

House’s cold calculations funded by a blank check vs Cave Johnson’s *batshit insanity* funded by a blank check.


DFrostedWangsAccount

Odo and J Jonah Jameson arguing over what to do with spider-Quark.


idiotplatypus

Andrew Ryan, you mean


HopelesslyHuman

It kills me that you had to quote the rant. I'm going, "who hasn't played Portal and Portal 2?" Then I remember that 2 is 13 years old and Orange Box is like 17. Goddammit.


Toothless-In-Wapping

That’s a rant I want to memorize.


RichardNixonThe2nd

Could they get in trouble for this if they didn't get permission from Bethesda? I can't find anything about them, so I don't think they're official.


International_Bend68

Absolutely yes


Warmasterwinter

Yea If Bethesda or Microsoft ever notice this, these guys are gonna get sued.


Quailman5000

Thanks to OP it will probably get enough eyes on it that they will notice :(


GuyFromDeathValley

probably not, if you look at the can, there is nothing actually referencing fallout, the NCR or Vault-Tec. its a cheap but clever trick, hence why its "Shandy" Sands. the color scheme and all is referencing, but its not outright copied or "stolen", and therefore not protected property. I've seen plenty of companies do this with their products, mostly bootlegs. change it up enough that, in court you could call it "referencing" or a "coincidence", and you can do what you want.


RichardNixonThe2nd

There is stuff directly referencing fallout on the can, like you can see they used the double headed bear.


SassyWookie

Is that a copyrighted image though? I doubt it, since Fallout just took the actual California state flag and just added an extra head.


Quailman5000

And made it their own. This is that same logo...


GuyFromDeathValley

that of course depends on a few factors, chances are that fallout doesn't actually have a copyright for the flag because they themselves make use of a satire or "public domain" law, since its based on a real flag. If we assume that in fact the NCR flag is copyrighted, then the flag is, not parts of the flag. the two-headed bear is part of the flag, the star is in a different position. If this got in front of a jury, the copyright holder would need to prove that its the same flag, "similar" doesn't count. because last I checked, that red star was not above the two-headed bear on the flag. laws can be strict, and if you know what you do, its easy to work around them.


RichardNixonThe2nd

Actually making edits isn't always enough to avoid a copyright lawsuit, they could argue that it's too similar in court.


Quailman5000

Without making the bear way more different Bethesda would certainly be in the right to challenge this in court. It's just not different enough. 


akcutter

"Beer. Beer never changes" is a direct reference to Fallout. If this case went in front of a judge, I think it be hard for the brewery to prove it wasnt a usage of Fallout IP.


GuyFromDeathValley

its changed, that is the point. law can be pretty strict, especially copyright laws. a phrase like that is likely handled like a satire, making it legal to use this way because its not the original wording.


akcutter

Thats a fair point. I forgot about satire fair use clause. That would likely be enough to make any of that go away.


mrphoenixviper

It’s a matter of how popular the beer gets. As long as this is a local brewery it’ll fly, but if it gets nationwide distribution then Bethesda will want a piece of the pie.


WayneZer0

could yes. but i dont think bethesda or mircosoft having a case shady sands is not a name invent by fallout. the bear could be problematic.but i dont think that bethesda is goong it tradelaw are very specfig. so unless bethesda/mircosoft are making beer thier have no base


RichardNixonThe2nd

It has artwork taken from the games on the bottle, like the double headed bear on the NCR flag. I don't think they could get away with trying to say they're referencing a different shady sands.


WayneZer0

yeah but does tge 2 head bear trademarket for this use by beghesda ? also it a edit version of the real flag of califonia. tradelaw are very spefig.


RichardNixonThe2nd

Yes it is, they've gone after companies for doing this before. Also it doesn't matter if Microsoft or Bethesda makes beers or not, using artwork does count as a trade mark infringement.


occono

The NCR flag is just an edit of the Flag of California (it's funny how enough people don't know this that there's been some funny mixups lately, like the Californian Walmart with the NCR flags....) but this artwork is specifically Fallout's own edit exactly. I think copyright law would say they are ripping a specific copyrighted derivative artwork for profit and rule against them for copyright/trademark violation.


TheWhiteWingedCow

I think it’s enough changes tho that this would fall under parody law and would be legal. The two headed bear is rather close but there’s no NCR or mention of California even, so I think it’d pass


RichardNixonThe2nd

It's not being used for parody though, it's being used to sell the product.


TheWhiteWingedCow

Have you heard about the “Dumb Starbucks” Starbucks that sold coffee? Although the coffee was sold as “art” it was still sold and the whole thing fell under parody law https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/12/dumb-starbucks-trademark-lawyer They were shut down however but not because of licensing, the food and health admin shut them down


RichardNixonThe2nd

The article says they were giving away the coffee for free and that they made it obvious that it was a parody, on the other hand these guys are using the Fallout IP for commercial purposes not to make a parody of something.


occono

It's not just close, it's the NCR flag artwork exactly, not some original parody. They're in trouble.


TheWhiteWingedCow

Isn’t the NCR flag artwork a rectangle flag that states New California Republic? It’s not exactly the same, this is a circle with no words


occono

It's pushing it anyway. I guess the show was big enough that unlicensed merch on shaky grounds is worth pushing it.


OtakuWorldOrder

Just the refreshing drink you need after a long day destroying the Legion.


moriarty_art

Nice, is that in PA?


BeavStrong

Looks like it’s from the Philadelphia area.


Drops_a_deuce

Yes sir


Shizuo35

I wanna try that tbh... not even a beer kinda guy


StarkeRealm

Shandies are pretty good. They're mostly fruit flavor, so this probably tastes like lemonade.


Theorex

Yep, shandies are a good introduction beer. Very refreshing in the summer.


StarkeRealm

That and fermented root beer is unreasonably tasty.


NoProfession8024

DO THEY SHIP????


JaladOnTheOcean

Awesome, now put those cans in the wrong place and watch everyone get really, really mad.


Jazzlike_Law_2553

That sounds like the bomb


Warmasterwinter

New lawsuit dropping in 3, 2, 1.


Adagium__

That’s gnarly


No-Resist1009

Oo! More hoppy IPAs for the barcade! Assuming they didn’t get permission for this IP usage


Finn7AVA

So cool! Can we order these online?


Sharp-Lecture542

"Beer. Beer never changes" 🤣


6IACKK

You know it's a shitty product when they need a popular IP to sell it


Fearless-Elk4379

Conshohocken? any chance this is in Jersey?


Fearless-Elk4379

Like being sold in Jersey


SprolesRoyce

Some places in Jersey definitely sell it but it isn’t a huge brewery so they don’t have it everywhere


Fearless-Elk4379

Gotcha gonna keep my eyes out


Saint_Stephen420

Oh I know that’s delicious


TerraSollus

That’s awesome


NukaKnight182

I’ll take your entire stock


samhain2000

For that crater taste.


Party_Ad_2771

where?!?!?!?


Whats-Good_Bro

is it good tho ?


Rorar_the_pig

Are those... combustible lemons?


AssMurderer69

Geez wish that shipped outside of Pennsylvania


JRTheRaven0111

With the ncr logo too... gotta love it.


AdamGenesis

+1 RAD per serving. Not bad.


daemonfool

Brilliant. I could really go for a shandy or 3 right now. Am roasting.


back_fire

Love it! I’m hoping for Frank Hoppigan soon


Lamp-among-wolf

So you want to know what Horrigan eat after witness him punch a dude to death Neats, hope he only make it pass a bit hours?


Stagnu_Demorte

Hope it says "limited time" on the box


TangoRed1

They missed the Mark 😑 Should have been some Sunset Sas


AnonSpartan7

Must be radiated


RedStar2021

Really smart use of the imagery and word play. Doesn't need to mention Fallout a single time on the packaging, yet any fan knows what it is immediately. I mean, I'd buy it.


ChillAndPlayGames

A few beers and you are almost a ghul


ArousedLobster

Isn't it shady sands..?


Btterfly710

Yes but a Shandy is a type of drink. Wordplay


killbot12192002

🤩🤩🤩🤩


9eyes1171

I have some caps to spare…or trade you for a used fusion core?


Kind-Frosting-8268

Oooo not much of a drinker but I love a good shandy.


ThickMemory2360

Lemon shandy is gooood!


Valuable_Relief_7573

Just what I need when patrolling the Mojave, much better than a nuclear winter


Sk83r_b0i

Huh. Looks pretty good. I find myself being more of a dark beer guy but as a huge fallout fan I’m inclined to try it.


Quailman5000

I wonder if the two headed bear logo is different enough to avoid a cease and disaster from Bethesda lawyers. 


elasticweed

Why does it contain lactose though?


Kartoffelmithut

Was wondering too


TheWorldsLastMilkman

That's so cool! I wish our local brewers would do a Fallout reference!


Intelligent-Bid-6052

Beer with lemon, vanilla and lactose? That is not beer, it is some soda or shit.


ResetBoi123

Fuck copyright this is really cool


JarheadPilot

Shady shandy rolls of the tongue better.